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| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by dmainboss: 4:37pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
lacasa: Am I missing something here? What exactly did I manipulate? I just posted it as it is. I didnt even try to explain it. Maybe you have to explain to the terrorists what Unbeliever means because they dont seem to share your view. Did the post hit any nerve? 2 Likes |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by opey25(m): 4:39pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
kuss: Not all muslims are terrorist but all terrorists are muslimsis anders breivik also a muslim? 1 Like |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by dmainboss: 4:41pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
lacasa: Hmmmm! The usual response of a terrorist or a bigot! When did it degenerate into shooting? Is that your natural response to disagreements? Speaks volumes! 1 Like |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by naptu2: 4:44pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
US sees terror attack threat in Nigeria September 7, 2007 - 8:09AM Normal font Large font US and other Western interests in Nigeria are at risk of "terrorist attack", the US embassy in Africa's top oil producer said. The official warning, in a message for US citizens in Nigeria, gave few details, but said potential targets included official and commercial installations in the capital Abuja and the commercial city of Lagos. "The US Mission in Nigeria has received information that US and other Western interests in Nigeria are currently at risk for terrorist attack," the statement said. A private security consultant said he had also received a similar warning from the US embassy which stated that the threat was seen until mid-October. Militant attacks on multi-billion dollar Western oil facilities in the Niger Delta are common, but there has never been any large scale terrorist attack on Western targets outside the Niger Delta in the far south of the country. Nigeria's Foreign Minister Ojo Maduekwe berated foreign diplomats on Wednesday over what he said were excessive concerns voiced by their countries about insecurity in the delta. The US and other Western states had warned their citizens against travel to the lawless region, where attacks have cut a fifth of Nigeria's oil production capacity since early 2006. Nigeria's 140 million people are roughly equally split between Christians mostly in the south and Muslims in the north. They co-exist peacefully most of the time but thousands have died in sporadic sectarian clashes since Nigeria returned to democracy in 1999 after nearly three decades of army rule. Analysts said the alert on Nigeria, which is the fifth largest oil supplier to the United States, could be related to the anniversary of the September 11 attacks. "Any 'Kenya-Tanzania' type attacks in Nigeria will further exacerbate the country's risk profile and raise operating costs for Western energy companies operating there," said Sebastian Spio-Garbrah of Eurasia Group. Washington had previously said Nigeria was a natural target for terrorists looking to expand their operations because the allure of radical Islam was attracting many Nigerians. In 2003 al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden included Nigeria in a list of six countries he said he wanted to see liberated from enslavement to Washington. Shortly after bin Laden's comment, a little-known group called the Nigerian Taliban launched a series of armed attacks on police stations and government buildings in the remote northeast states of Yobe and Borno in late 2003 and early 2004. This prompted a military crackdown in which at least 20 people were killed. The Taliban, who said they wanted an Islamic state in Nigeria, have hardly been heard of since. © 2007 Reuters, Click for Restrictions http://www.smh.com.au/news/WORLD/US-sees-terror-attack-threat-in-Nigeria/2007/09/07/1188783452965.html |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by FindOut(m): 4:53pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
the timing of this story is suspect. VERY suspicious. The massacre on christians at BUK too is very suspicious as well. Its like these two events were planned to deflect attention from: i)The statement made by the NSA labelling bh as political. ii) The highly likely & quite obvious fact (even b4 the NSA's speech) that boko haram is political & isnt sponsored by any taliban/bin Laden/islamic bank (however silly that sounds) , but by Nigerian politicians....with Nigerian money. (the north & its sorrounding border countries e.g. Niger republic have provided d ''raw materials'' i.e. poor stupid illiterate almajiris who can easily be brainwashed into bombing themselves). iii) The subsidy probe panel report & the actions to be taken(or avoided) thereafter. Can any of our very well versed muslim brothers/sisters correct/analyze the many 'bloody' verses (mostly quoted out of context) an earlier poster brought out of the Qur'an, the same book that accords a lot of respect to Jesus Christ (A.S.). And to that poster, since u are soo well versed in Quranic verses ( & i assume, islam), you can like to ask yourself why its just in d latter part of last century/early ds century that muslims started ''smiting'' and ''fighting'' xtians/unbelievers. i would appreciate if u culd xtend your research to the battles fought by the Prophet Mohammed (SAW) himself in his lifetime & tell us if any of those battles wasnt borne out of self defence or if women, children & even harmless men not on d battle field were attacked in those battles. Heck, tell us if any of those wars were against xtians! Keep spreading your propaganda if u wish, but Islam will continue to grow, & inshaAllah, the bad eggs among us who continue to carry out evil and abominable acts in d name of islam will be made to pay for their crimes. Tho, Allah is ever willing to forgive those who truly repent. |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by texazzpete(m): 5:03pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
Find Out!: You m0r0nic half-wit! There is no 'suspect' timing here. There is renewed attention on Bin Laden's death and doing now because IT IS NOW ONE YEAR SINCE HE DIED! Not surprised you are too brainless to see this. Finally, if you think the massacre at BUK was 'carefully timed', what about the massacres in the madalla church bombing? What about the attacks on Christmas and Easter? If you truly believe that Christians are to be protected as 'people of the Book', why are you and your ilk not out on the streets protesting against Boko Haram and their 'corruption of Islam'? You folks are perfectly willing to take to the streets when some obscure artist in Denmark sketches something yet here your Islam faces a serious perception crisis and you sit here on NL, spewing silly conspiracy theories! 1 Like |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by FindOut(m): 5:06pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
Question: Aren't there some verses of the Quran that condone "killing the infidel"? Answer: The Qur'an commands Muslims to stick up for themselves in a defensive battle -- i.e. if an enemy army attacks, then Muslims are to fight against that army until they stop their aggression. All of the verses that speak about fighting/ war in the Quran are in this context. There are some specific verses that are very often "snipped" out of context, either by critics of Islam discussing "jihadism," or by misguided Muslims themselves who wish to justify their aggressive tactics. "Slay Them" - If They Attack You First For example, one verse (in its snipped version) reads: "slay them wherever you catch them" (Quran 2:191). But who is this referring to? Who are "they" that this verse discusses? The preceding and following verses give the correct context: "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter... But if they cease, God is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful... If they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression" (2:190-193). It is clear from the context that these verses are discussing a defensive war, when a Muslim community is attacked without reason, oppressed and prevented from practicing their faith. In these circumstances, permission is given to fight back -- but even then Muslims are instructed not to transgress limits, and to cease fighting as soon as the attacker gives up. Even in these circumstances, Muslim are only to fight directly against those who are attacking them, not innocent bystanders or non-combatants. "Fight the Pagans" - If They Break Treaties A similar verse can be found in chapter 9, verse 5 -- which in its snipped, out of context version could read: "fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)." Again, the preceding and following verses give the context. This verse was revealed during a historical period when the small Muslim community had entered into treaties with neighboring tribes (Jewish, Christian, and pagan). Several of the pagan tribes had violated the terms of their treaty, secretly aiding an enemy attack against the Muslim community. The verse directly before this one instructs the Muslims to continue to honor treaties with anyone who has not since betrayed them, because fulfilling agreements is considered a righteous action. Then the verse continues, that those who have violated the terms of the treaty have declared war, so fight them... (as quoted above). Directly after this permission to fight, the same verse continues, "but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them... for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." The subsequent verses instruct the Muslims to grant asylum to any member of the pagan tribe/army who asks for it, and again reminds that "as long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for God loves the righteous." Conclusion Any verse that is quoted out of context misses the whole point of the message of the Quran. Nowhere in the Quran can be found support for indiscriminate slaughter, the killing of non-combatants, or murder of innocent persons in 'payback' for another people's alleged crimes. The Islamic teachings on this subject can be summed up in the following verses (Quran 60:7-  : "It may be that God will grant love (andfriendship) between you and those whom ye (now) hold as enemies. For God has power (over all things), and God is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful. God does not forbid you, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God loves those who are just." 1 Like |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by dmainboss: 5:07pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
Find Out!: First, I didnt quote anything out of context. I just posted them as is from the Koran. I didnt edit them. You can check the online English version of the Koran. Secondly, killing of unbelievers have been on from the first Jihad. It didnt start in the last century. Just the same way the Catholics killed non Catholics and Jews during the crusades. At least, the Vatican has 'subtly' apologized to the Jews for that. Right from the first Jihads, women and Children were slaugthered. The historic facts are everywhere. Nobody is spreading any propaganda. Extremists Moslems are doing a good job of that already. They really dont need any help. The problem is many of you moslems are trying to deny these facts. I do not believe all moslems are bad. But there are some fundamental ideologies that encourage these activities and if you continue to deny them, then the activities will not stop. These are the messages that the clerics are teaching in the mosques to these almajiris! 1 Like |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by free2ryhme: 5:10pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
kuss: Not all muslims are terrorist but all terrorists are muslims incomplete aristotlean syllogism .. |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by Redhot111(m): 5:11pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
audacious:it may please u 2 knw dat b4 d comin of dis boko haram, there's been 10 major terrorist groups internationaly acclaimed, out of which 9 had dia base in islam. |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by Rad1cal: 5:14pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=648376.msg8144913#msg8144913 [size=14pt]If Jonathan wins it's because he used his government power. It looks like he has done too well," said Habib Bazallahi, a local official from Buhari's party, leaning through a classroom window in the northern city of Kano to watch a vote count. http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE73E8DU20110416?sp=true |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by Nobody: 5:16pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
4llerbuntu: First of all, this report is from the Guardian (U.K), not my story, fantastic or otherwise. Secondly, since you are not privy to what the intelligence community knew or didn't know, you cannot from the comfort of your armchair determine what is true or what is false. |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by FindOut(m): 5:25pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
texazzpete: Well, I'll ignore your insults & focus on the points(if i can call them that) you raised. Yes, i may be spewing conspiracy theories, Azazi may be wrong, Bishop Kukah may not av analyzed the violence properly, time will tell. My muslim brothers in d north are violent, i feel it has more to do with their nature than the religion. I think they feel cool with their acts of violence with the belief that they have religious backing which is false. The sponsors of boko haram have realized this & av capitalized on it. The northerners are soo not the best of muslims, i av to say it. But we still have some gud and enlightened muslims dere who do make some conscious efforts to educate the rest. If a man is not given education, he can be made to believe anything. The past northern leaders have done the region a lot of harm in this regard. In all the violent acts carried out by muslim youths, from the cartoon issue,the beauty paegent wahala & down to the post election violence, we have alwys had Islamic leaders CONDEMNING these acts. Some have done so & paid the ultimate price for their condemnations. Muslim clerics have been assasinated in the same north simply because they have preached against religious violence. Pls consult google for further info as i cant supply names off the top of my head now, tho i believe one was murdered in Borno or so just last month or february. Yes, churches have been bombed, but note that these boko guys are enemies of the average muslim northerner almost as much as they are(if not more coz they r defaming us) to xtians. The bomb blast in kano which killed 182 people, its highly likely several muslims formed part of this number. That is aside from the many killings/raids on citizens. Boko haram is a common enemy to both muslims and xtians, & there shldnt be any doubt in even your mind that the security agencies are not doing enuf. Then, Texazzpette, i've known you on this forum for a very very long time,even before i registered. Please desist from insults coz u didnt start this way. Peace. 1 Like |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by FindOut(m): 5:31pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
dmainboss: Thank you for your polite response. However, please see this xplanation again. Question: Aren't there some verses of the Quran that condone "killing the infidel"? Answer: The Qur'an commands Muslims to stick up for themselves in a defensive battle -- i.e. if an enemy army attacks, then Muslims are to fight against that army until they stop their aggression. All of the verses that speak about fighting/ war in the Quran are in this context. There are some specific verses that are very often "snipped" out of context, either by critics of Islam discussing "jihadism," or by misguided Muslims themselves who wish to justify their aggressive tactics. "Slay Them" - If They Attack You First For example, one verse (in its snipped version) reads: "slay them wherever you catch them" (Quran 2:191). But who is this referring to? Who are "they" that this verse discusses? The preceding and following verses give the correct context: "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter... But if they cease, God is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful... If they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression" (2:190-193). It is clear from the context that these verses are discussing a defensive war, when a Muslim community is attacked without reason, oppressed and prevented from practicing their faith. In these circumstances, permission is given to fight back -- but even then Muslims are instructed not to transgress limits, and to cease fighting as soon as the attacker gives up. Even in these circumstances, Muslim are only to fight directly against those who are attacking them, not innocent bystanders or non-combatants. "Fight the Pagans" - If They Break Treaties A similar verse can be found in chapter 9, verse 5 -- which in its snipped, out of context version could read: "fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)." Again, the preceding and following verses give the context. This verse was revealed during a historical period when the small Muslim community had entered into treaties with neighboring tribes (Jewish, Christian, and pagan). Several of the pagan tribes had violated the terms of their treaty, secretly aiding an enemy attack against the Muslim community. The verse directly before this one instructs the Muslims to continue to honor treaties with anyone who has not since betrayed them, because fulfilling agreements is considered a righteous action. Then the verse continues, that those who have violated the terms of the treaty have declared war, so fight them... (as quoted above). Directly after this permission to fight, the same verse continues, "but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them... for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." The subsequent verses instruct the Muslims to grant asylum to any member of the pagan tribe/army who asks for it, and again reminds that "as long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for God loves the righteous." Conclusion Any verse that is quoted out of context misses the whole point of the message of the Quran. Nowhere in the Quran can be found support for indiscriminate slaughter, the killing of non-combatants, or murder of innocent persons in 'payback' for another people's alleged crimes. The Islamic teachings on this subject can be summed up in the following verses (Quran 60:7- : "It may be that God will grant love (and friendship) between you and those whom ye (now) hold as enemies. For God has power (over all things), and God is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful. God does not forbid you, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God loves those who are just." |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by FindOut(m): 5:37pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by FindOut(m): 5:38pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
another article on the verses quoted. www.islamicwritings.org/quran/peace/does-the-quran-teach-violence/ |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by dmainboss: 5:48pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
Find Out!: It is ok for you to defend your religion but I do wish to state the following: I quoted a lot of verses and you can check them out. Most of them didnt portray anything defensive. The Moslems in the time of the Jihads were not in minority and were not fighting for survival. They were on a drive for conquest of europe and the mideast spreading Islam as commanded by the prophet Mohammed. They even got up to the borders of Asia. That is why you have Muslims in India and China (Though not in very large numbers). The Ayatollahs have never come out to speak against terrorism or Jihads. Violence is seen across all Muslim countries, not just Nigeria. Especially in countries where you have large numbers of Shiites. The Sunnis are more tolerant, that is why violence is less in Sunni dominated countries like Saudi, Iran and Kuwait. But violence still exists very much in these places and the punishment for changing from Islam is still death. |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by FindOut(m): 6:00pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
dmainboss: yeah, the verses didnt state anythn defensive coz u simply ripped them off & didnt quote or consider the verses preceding or succeeding them. Please try to read the stuffs i posted to get a clearer picture. I'm not denying that some countries/groups of people still practice islam in ways they shouldnt, but i think d same goes for other religions as well. And well, the Prophet told his companions n followers to spread islam, but he didnt tell them to do it violently. Dats d pure truth. As a matter of fact, the Prophet himself won converts to islam due to his own kind, humble and just nature which even the unbelievers & idolators persecuting him then were unable to fault. I've made dis point more than once on this forum & i've backed them up with hadeeth. Prophet Isa *Jesus Christ* (Peace be upon him) is reffered to as a brother by Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) & as a true messenger and prophet by Almighty Allah. You are not a muslim if you do not believe in him. Is it really possible that the same Allah commanded us to kill his followers  ? Or did he tell us to spread d message of Islam to them with patience n wisdom instead? |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by Nobody: 6:11pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
Demdem: Since PDP = Boko as stated by NSA, does this suggest that PDP also has taliban links? yes boss ! 
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| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by Ninilowo(m): 6:34pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
So? |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by kay1one(m): 7:15pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
dmainboss:DO WE NEED ANY OTHER EVIDENCE TO PROVE THAT ALLAH IS THE DEVIL TRYING TO STOP CHRISTIANS ON THEIR RIGHTEOUS MARCH?! Islam BEGAN IN ABOUT 500AD AT ABOUT THE DARK AGES WHEN CHRISTIANITY WAS AT ITS LOWEST EBB! THE DEVIL SEIZED THE OPPORTUNITY AND CREATED A BEAST(ANTICHRIST) THAT HAS BEEN GROWING TO THIS DAY! WE'VE GOT TO STEP UP OUR SPIRITUALITY AND GET G'eD UP WITH OUR PHYSICALITY! |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by kay1one(m): 7:23pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
lacasa:LETS BE PRACTICAL HERE! IF THERE ARE 3 ROGUE AGENTS IN THE BUSINESS, THERE ARE 1000000000 MUSLIM TERRORISTS!!!!! ARE ARMED ROBBERS TERRORISTS TOO? THERE ARE CRIMES AND THERE ARE THREATS! AS A WAY OF LIFE, BELIEF AND PREACHING! NOT A ONE TIME PRACTICE OF MADNESS! |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by Alumnus: 7:30pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
I find it funny when I hear Moslems shout here and there that Islam is a religion of peace. We don't need anybody to tell us that because by their fruits we shall know them. Its similar to that Ipaidabribe website that is proclaming everywhere that Alison is Nigeria's best Petroleum Minister ever. Let d moslem community who believe that BH is wrong go and occupy our streets and Mosques in protest of this carnage then we shall know that Islam is a religion of peace otherwise all Moslems should hide their heads in shame. There are over 5 major religions in the world yet only Islam has been a torn in our flesh. Find Out!: |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by phreakabit(m): 7:35pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
Well. . . . This is kinda like saying Garri has finally been identified as the main ingredient in eba, and expecting a standing ovation. . . . . . [img]http://1.bp..com/-PsuW91cYy-o/T2NNyPdzwuI/AAAAAAAAHbo/L8hXOL45-qQ/s1600/eyes.gif[/img] |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by Nobody: 7:36pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
Al Qaeda? pff! More like Al Shabaab!  |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by raypapy(m): 7:40pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
Our pblms on earth with the name of religions will never end except those callin themsef religion leader stop to confused their fellows wit mis interpretations of Holy books.and the prblm will keep goin becoz all politians av their religions leaders under there legs and corruptions everywhere includin so called house of God.We seriously need prayers bfr this damn world. To my prediction God will not end this World We humans will surely one day End it |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by kay1one(m): 7:43pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
Alumnus: I find it funny when I hear Moslems shout here and there that Islam is a religion of peace. We don't need anybody to tell us that because by their fruits we shall know them. Its similar to that Ipaidabribe website that is proclaming everywhere that Alison is Nigeria's best Petroleum Minister ever. Let d moslem community who believe that BH is wrong go and occupy our streets and Mosques in protest of this carnage then we shall know that Islam is a religion of peace otherwise all Moslems should hide their heads in shame. There are over 5 major religions in the world yet only Islam has been a torn in our flesh.THANK YOU! GOD BLESS YOU! TRUTH! |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by phreakabit(m): 7:43pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
MsDarkSkin: Al Qaeda? pff! More like Al Shabaab! They are all the same IMO. After all Al Shabaab is a subsect of Al Qaeda. |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by Toppie2(f): 8:14pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
Find Out!:Am dazed.....so u dnt even try 2 preach 2 d unbelievers, u dnt mk dem c reasons why dey need 2 repent of dr sin nd turn 2 God? Unbelievable! |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by Nobody: 8:19pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
phreakabit: Must you spoil my moment?!  But seriously, I know.  |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by Dawdy(m): 8:20pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
No matter what u stupid people say against ISLAM, ISLAM will continue to grow. |
| Re: Boko Haram Taliban Link Confirmed by sizzlers(m): 8:33pm On Apr 30, 2012 |
islam is peace. Alahu akbah |
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