ikechiozo:

On a normal day i would ignore your post but for the sake of people that may not know what goes on within the health system especially as it applies to Nigeria, clarifications need to be made. Firstly, the issue under contention is not about superiority as docs have come to see themselves as demi-gods but about recognition of d independence of other healthcare professionals in exercising their duties. I don't need a radiologist to tell me when there is a bone fracture, a chest infection, tumour and so on. If you must know the training a radiographer receives in the five year training in the university is what a radiologist starts to learn during the residency training. A radiographer can take the radiographs but a radiologist cannot do that. In the UK radiographers are empowered to make interpretations.[b][/b]You need to be well informed.

Its obvious you dont know what is obtainable outside Nigeria. Do you think is everyone that is interested in studying to be a doctor? This is the rubbish they feed you with right from your school cos i can tell that you are still a student.

. . . but they still get paid way less than the radiologist!

Agreed that in civilised climes all health professionals work as members of multidisciplinary teams (MDT) - people on here have already exhausted the argument about working in teams and so on and so nauseatingly forth. But . . .

But . . . in the MDT, different professionals understand that they have roles to play, which they get on with, without fretting over who earns what. You see, though members of the MDT all get along on first name basis, everybody still understands that within it there is still a hierarchy of authority . . . and responsibility. A hierarchy in which the Consultant is still at the helm of affairs. This authority and responsibility is reflected in the take home pay of the members of the MDT!

I doubt anybody can seriously deny the fact that Nigerian Doctors are underpaid, overworked and clearly unappreciated, going by a lot of the posts on here. I can understand when people ask why Doctors demand to be treated different from other civil servants, but the reality is that in most sane societies Doctors are treated different - they are almost always the highest earning ‘civil servants’ and usually fall within the highest earning citizens, including the Junior Doctors . . . even when you include private and public sector workers.

Of course Nigerian Doctors in Nigeria should be asking for equipments and better training and all the other nice things that should enable them to work like sane people. They should be asking – nay demanding – that the politicians patronise them, so that they too can experience the unquenching joys of being patients in Nigeria. But for now, this agitation is about their remuneration – its about the good ol’ egokudiowo and the government has a responsibility to fulfil any promises it has made. Chikena!

I don’t know how to say this without coming across as callous but the truth is that the government should be held responsible for all the casualties of this strike - NOT the long suffering Doctors. . !

Most of us, Nigerian Doctors in the Diaspora, sympathise with the plight of our colleagues at home. Once upon a time, most of us were there in the trenches with them . . . tummies growling and all . . . so understand their hunger and their pains. . . .

beneli:


. . . but they still get paid way less than the radiologist!

Agreed that in civilised climes all health professionals work as members of multidisciplinary teams (MDT) - people on here have already exhausted the argument about working in teams and so on and so nauseatingly forth. But . . .

But . . . in the MDT, different professionals understand that they have roles to play, which they get on with, without fretting over who earns what. You see, though members of the MDT all get along on first name basis, everybody still understands that within it there is still a hierarchy of authority . . . and responsibility. A hierarchy in which the Consultant is still at the helm of affairs. This authority and responsibility is reflected in the take home pay of the members of the MDT!

I doubt anybody can seriously deny the fact that Nigerian Doctors are underpaid, overworked and clearly unappreciated, going by a lot of the posts on here. I can understand when people ask why Doctors demand to be treated different from other civil servants, but the reality is that in most sane societies Doctors are treated different - they are almost always the highest earning ‘civil servants’ and usually fall within the highest earning citizens, including the Junior Doctors . . . even when you include private and public sector workers.

Of course Nigerian Doctors in Nigeria should be asking for equipments and better training and all the other nice things that should enable them to work like sane people. They should be asking – nay demanding – that the politicians patronise them, so that they too can experience the unquenching [/i] joys of being patients in Nigeria. But for now, this agitation is about their remuneration – its about the good ol’ egokudiowo. [i] and the government has a responsibility to fulfil any promises it has made. Chikena!

I don’t know how to say this without coming across as callous but the truth is that the government should be held responsible for all the casualties of this strike - NOT the long suffering Doctors. . !

Most of us, Nigerian Doctors in the Diaspora, sympathise with the plight of our colleagues at home. Once upon a time, most of us were there in the trenches with them . . . tummies growling and all . . . so understand their hunger and their pains. . . .

Who cares about what you earn? thats none of my business. What i am saying is that you try not to interfere with the discharge of my duties. know your JD. If you want to brag about the salary, i will tell you that while working in the private sector i earned more than the doctors at same level with me there!!!!

^^

Ok . . .

[color=#990000][/color]This is not encouraging at all.

ikechiozo:



Who cares about what you earn? thats none of my business. What i am saying is that you try not to interfere with the discharge of my duties. know your JD. If you want to brag about the salary, i will tell you that while working in the private sector i earned more than the doctors at same level with me there!!!!

For your Mind

ikechiozo: It is you that needs to get some clarification into your skull if at all there is something inside it. You need to understand what the striking workers are agitating for, the professionals you mentioned are but a fraction of the other health workforce on strike. Nobody is contesting the head of your medical team with you. You can head your residents, house officers and other doctors but i do know that i dont need a doctor to perform my independent professional actions and decisions. It ill behoves you, considering your level of education to make such uninformed comments here. it is clear from your post that you dont know how other departments outside your pathology run, for example you said a radiographer is the least ranked amongst radiologist, medical physicist and radiographer. This is pure fallacy, as these three are different professionals and they all have their role to play before a diagnosis is made. The health workers are not requesting to head your team. All we are saying is that those positions that are purely administrative in duties should be open to all professionals within the system that are qualified. For these positions a good knowledge of management, accounting, Administration is indispensable....Pls tell me are these skills part of what is tested in an mbbs exam except i have forgotten how its done. bigger idiot

Dnaz:


For your Mind

from your comment i can c u are a radiographer or preferably an imaging scientist as they ere called abroad....well let me clarify some things for you.a radiologist uses imaging means to manage patients,radiographers dont. by training a radiologist knows the principle behind the workings of the imaging equipments and can use them if need be.he can further go ahead to see a patient learn about the patient problem and give appropiate treatment as a regular doctor, a radiographer cant.... or wherever you do ur locum dont u see that patient see the radiologist around b/f u are called to do ur own work.as of comparison to a medical physicist, u are nowhere near them.....they plan radiation dosing along with radiologists and also use of radionucleutides in nuclear medicine.... radiographers are just the errand boys.... i guess u now understand ur position and humbly accept that u are the and only bigger idiot. u also need an MRI to ascertain if ur thalamus is well wired to the cerebral cortex and if u don't have atrophy of the corpus callosum and amygdala....further studies will involve checking for neuro fibrillary tangles,amyloid plaques, tau and lewy bodies , and csf oligoclonal bands.... the one and only bigger idiot....

hitmanogo:

from your comment i can c u are a radiographer or preferably an imaging scientist as they ere called abroad....well let me clarify some things for you.a radiologist uses imaging means to manage patients,radiographers dont. by training a radiologist knows the principle behind the workings of the imaging equipments and can use them if need be.he can further go ahead to see a patient learn about the patient problem and give appropiate treatment as a regular doctor, a radiographer cant.... or wherever you do ur locum dont u see that patient see the radiologist around b/f u are called to do ur own work.as of comparison to a medical physicist, u are nowhere near them.....they plan radiation dosing along with radiologists and also use of radionucleutides in nuclear medicine.... radiographers are just the errand boys.... i guess u now understand ur position and humbly accept that u are the and only bigger idiot. u also need an MRI to ascertain if ur thalamus is well wired to the cerebral cortex and if u don't have atrophy of the corpus callosum and amygdala....further studies will involve checking for neuro fibrillary tangles,amyloid plaques, tau and lewy bodies , and csf oligoclonal bands.... the one and only bigger idiot....

Well said my bro.the catechist can never become a priest no matter how many times he sleeps in d parish

Not until Nigerian Doctorunderstand that the health sector demands team work;that nobody knows it all;give evry professional his deisred freedom $ reduce der ego,the health sector would always be in chaos!

Never a priest not least a bishop. The only solution for dese ppl is 4 dem to get a Jamb form and enter medical skul

Buchiano(m):
Not until Nigerian Doctorunderstand that the health sector demands team work;that nobody knows it all;give evry professional his deisred freedom $ reduce der ego,the health sector would always be in chaos!

Freedom from what, nobody is binding dem. Dey r d ones imprisoning demselves with dis inferiority complex n undue animosity towards doctors
Can a catechist claim to be given freedom to give holy communion in d cath church
Can a lab attendant in universities be made HODs?
Can a paralegal be paid d same as a Lawyer or be a minister of justice
Can an electrical technician be put in charge of an electrical engineer.
Ppl shuld know deir place in d society n not moan abt it. Nobody is in prison its just d way things r and dere nothin dat can b done abt it

Its onl in nigeria that dis can happen. I didnt know whether to laugh or cry when i saw the demand. Im on my way out soonest; won miss this nonsense.

No matter d amount of weed the devil smokes he can never ever be d MOST HIGH. He tried it naa and we all knw what happened

@Dnaz...nobody is talkin of inferiority complex here,freedom is far frm wat U think am talkin of but I wld lyk U to pick up a copy of the civil service rules;statutory scheme of service fr various professions,study dem well $ understand wat it entails. U can't be jack of all trade!!

hitmanogo:

from your comment i can c u are a radiographer or preferably an imaging scientist as they ere called abroad....well let me clarify some things for you.a radiologist uses imaging means to manage patients,radiographers dont. by training a radiologist knows the principle behind the workings of the imaging equipments and can use them if need be.he can further go ahead to see a patient learn about the patient problem and give appropiate treatment as a regular doctor, a radiographer cant.... or wherever you do ur locum dont u see that patient see the radiologist around b/f u are called to do ur own work.as of comparison to a medical physicist, u are nowhere near them.....they plan radiation dosing along with radiologists and also use of radionucleutides in nuclear medicine.... radiographers are just the errand boys.... i guess u now understand ur position and humbly accept that u are the and only bigger idiot. u also need an MRI to ascertain if ur thalamus is well wired to the cerebral cortex and if u don't have atrophy of the corpus callosum and amygdala....further studies will involve checking for neuro fibrillary tangles,amyloid plaques, tau and lewy bodies , and csf oligoclonal bands.... the one and only bigger idiot....

Its obvious you find it hard to understand what i am saying. I said they all have their roles to play. Maybe spending a little time in a radiology department will help you appreciate their different roles. I am a very busy person so i wont have the time to start explaining in details whats involve. In fact making this argument with you with not yield any money to me....so why waste my time here....bye

Dnaz: How can a radiographer claim to be more impt dan a radiologist. [b]Ist a radiographer can only take pictures of d body but does not understand it. It is only a radiologist(a doctor) who can also take d pix n interprete it into a def diagnosis[/b]. Also a med lab tech cannot be compared to a pathologist cos he does not understand d pathogenesis of d results n can't tackle d diesease. dese professions were introduced to reduce d burden of doctors n not to be independent of dem. Docs can do all deir work but dey can never do d works of doctors n dat is a fact so dey can't claim equality. D only oda health profession of more relevance but yet cannot b compared to a doc is d nurse n pharmacists. But dese should not expect to be considered on d same level as a medical consultant who has had a minimum of 12 yrs of med training. Dere can b only one captain in a ship. N no oda health profession can claim dis oda dan an MBBS holder.go to developed nations, dere r no lab tech,radiographers dese positions r being taken care of by docs who have specialised in these areas. And 4 d nurse n pharmacists, dey ll forever do what d doctors say cos to do odawise is to kill patients. So WTF abt all health professions r equal sey r not. If u r jealous, get a JAMB form n pass 2ru d rigorous trainin in med skul. Remember no carryover

This is the silliest thing I've seen in a long while. If a radiographer does not know or understand what he/she's taking, then how does he/se know what wat has been done is correct and diagnostic? When a doctor requests for a radiograph, he states what area needs to be imaged and the pathology to be queried or fracture etc and then the radiographer takes the image in the best possible way to view what is needed. The radiogrpaher then has to check this image to see if it's diagnostic or if there is any pathology that needs to be reported on urgently so the patient can go straight to A&E etc.
Radiographers study the physics behind radiation and x-ray tubes, MRIs, CTs and US and how they work. When you graduate, you can then specialise in any field or stay in general radiography. They are also taught a whole lot of anatomy, physiology and pathologies.
Radiologists use images to treat and monitor. Radiographers take images that are diagnostic and they themselves diagnose. Sure, not indepth as radiologists do because they can't leave 50-100 patients waiting whilst delibrating on each image, but they do diagnose hence DIAGNOSTIC radiograpers. If you want to specialise in reporting, you can always do it.

There is no leader or follower. At the end of the day, we all work for the good of the patient.
People should stop running their mouths/hands if they've never worked in a radiologyy department.

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from your comment i can c u are a radiographer or preferably an imaging scientist as they ere called abroad....well let me clarify some things for you.a radiologist uses imaging means to manage patients,radiographers dont.
by training a radiologist knows the principle [b]behind the workings of the imaging equipments [/b]and can use them if need be.he can further go ahead to see a patient learn about the patient problem and give appropiate treatment as a regular doctor, a radiographer cant
In university, radiographers are first ever taught how all the imaging equipments work. Go and do your research before you talk.

they plan radiation dosing along with radiologists and also use of radionucleutides in nuclear medicine
Radiographers that specialise in nuclear imaging actually work with radiologists etc to plan doses for patients. Dude, have you ever worked in a radiology department? Then there are also radiotherapists too.
u also need an MRI to ascertain if ur thalamus is well wired to the cerebral cortex and if u don't have atrophy of the corpus callosum and amygdala....further studies will involve checking for neuro fibrillary tangles,amyloid plaques, tau and lewy bodies , and csf oligoclonal bands.... the one and only bigger idiot....
What does this have to do with anything?

umra_8901:

This is the silliest thing I've seen in a long while. If a radiographer does not know or understand what he/she's taking, then how does he/se know what wat has been done is correct and diagnostic? When a doctor requests for a radiograph, he states what area needs to be imaged and the pathology to be queried or fracture etc and then the radiographer takes the image in the best possible way to view what is needed. The radiogrpaher then has to check this image to see if it's diagnostic or if there is any pathology that needs to be reported on urgently so the patient can go straight to A&E etc.
Radiographers study the physics behind radiation and x-ray tubes, MRIs, CTs and US and how they work. When you graduate, you can then specialise in any field or stay in general radiography. They are also taught a whole lot of anatomy, physiology and pathologies.
Radiologists use images to treat and monitor. Radiographers take images that are diagnostic and they themselves diagnose. Sure, not indepth as radiologists do because they can't leave 50-100 patients waiting whilst delibrating on each image, but they do diagnose hence DIAGNOSTIC radiograpers. If you want to specialise in reporting, you can always do it.

There is no leader or follower. At the end of the day, we all work for the good of the patient.
People should stop running their mouths/hands if they've never worked in a radiologyy department.

This is the silliest comment I've heard in a long time. That a radiographer diagnose when you have a radiologist around. My friend stop massaging your ego. Radiographers don't diagnose....how will you diagnose a patient with histoplasmosis from someone with tuberculosis? Or using a CT scan to stage a lymphoma? Your so called knowledge of anatomy and physiology pales in comparison to a doctor's knowledge in that field and with his clinical acumen in medicine and surgery, you become lost. And finally the challenge of diagnosis is not in making claims, but to be able to support it with the necessary clinical details. Only someone with a good knowledge of medicine and surgery is qualified to do that...

Buchianom: @Dnaz...nobody is talkin of inferiority complex here,freedom is far frm wat U think am talkin of but I wld lyk U to pick up a copy of the civil service rules;statutory scheme of service fr various professions,study dem well $ understand wat it entails. U can't be jack of all trade!!

i tire.

NAJALYN: Today strike, tomorrow strike, everyday strike. Government is responsible for this & must be enjoying it. Otherwise they will have salary structures comensurate with the jobs of officers of various ministeries, departments, parastatals, agencies under government. When there is increase in salary, let it apply to all of them; not doing it for two & waiting for others to protest before doing it for them. That way we avoid such protests.

true talk.