PhysicsQED:

The context is that Asante crossed the Volta to attack Dahomey and got put in check.

Stop making excuses. It looks pathetic.

When Asante gets put in check, it's because "it's a very low point in its history". Fine.

But when Oyo gets attacked it's because it's inherently weak, even though the same Asante that was strong was apprehensive of war with them and said that (not that they were under attack from others). Stop making yourself look dumb with these comments.

The context has already been explained to you. They got put in check and started mourning instead of arming themselves.

SmoothCrim:

You are quoting wikipedia. In a two vs. one battle..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Atakpam%C3%A9

hahahahahaha...

PetroDolla:

you need to get that useless thing you call head examined. how many nigerians have access to potable water, regular electricity,personal security, good education,good roads,food, shelter etc? no wonder nigeria is fucke-d!pathetic slowpoke.

PhysicsQED:

I wasn't quoting wikipedia you jacka$$.

I've read the actual documents that I'm talking about. That might be an unheard-of concept to you, but it actually happens.

I couldn't care less about what that wiki page says right now, since the facts of that history have already been written and can't be changed by clicking on "edit".

Later, fake historian.

SmoothCrim:
I read the actual book... Now go read the context. They were facing battles from numerous sides at that time and were being attacked by other Akan groups.

PhysicsQED:

Because you extrapolated that from the summary you read on wiki about rebellions?

Man stop making dumb excuses. Marching out and starting a war with an additional group is not something you do if you're actually being besieged from all sides by your neighbors at the time.

You just get dumber and dumber.

SmoothCrim:

exposed you loser!!

Here is some full context...

After your read this you will realize how much of a joke you are.

http://archive.lib.msu.edu/DMC/African%20Journals/pdfs/Institue%20of%20African%20Studies%20Research%20Review/1973v9n1/asrv009001004.pdf

once again you don't really understand west African history.

PhysicsQED:

Can you actually read?

They were not besieged by anybody in 1764. They marched out and crossed the Volta of their own will.

This is the dumbest attempt at a rationalization from you yet.

In fact, if you had read your own document, you would have seen that they launched an expedition against other Akan groups in 1765 (but were still too scared to attack Dahomey, because, as I said earlier, they were scared of Oyo).

SmoothCrim:

False! Read again and read the whole doc.

Like a typical physics nerd you don't want to read.

SmoothCrim: Here is some context:
"In 1764, however, the- Asantehene had to act when he learnt that the allies had appealed to the
Yoruba state of Oyo for help."

Allies would mean there were many people trying to overthrow the kingdom. He had no intention of actually expanding there but, rushed into battle due to being worried about what I said. A situation where it would be everybody vs. Ashantee... That is the historical lesson. For a king that could bring forth an Army of 200,000 men a force of 10,000 poorly trained soldiers was not an attempt to conquer Oyo. If he wanted to Conquer Oyo he would first have consolidated his power and then, taken his full army.

This is why I say you don't understand West African history. This was clearly to attempt to avoid a situation where it was everybody vs. Asante. Something which eventually happened in the region and ultimately ended the influence of the kingdom. Thus, his fears were right! The Oyo of course had nothing to do with this!!

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SmoothCrim:



Once again.

Learn to read history.

A fragmented state which was under attack from all sides. That is why I asked for CONTEXT!

The state at that point was a little Like Nigeria today... No wonder some have predicted Nigeria will break apart and fall.

Learn from history and ultimately what destroyed that kingdom.


The kingdom was fragmented and so weak but, a mishap in battle vs. 2 kingdoms was considered so embarrassing that a "coup" happened.
Consider yourself schooled! Now do you want to debate Mali??

PhysicsQED:


Nobody was attacking it when they decided to attack the Dahomians. You just keep making up stuff and its freaking annoying. If they could attack all the allies in 1765, they could certainly attack the Dahomians, but as they explained themselves, they were apprehensive of war with Oyo.

SmoothCrim:

Are we reading the same doc?

"In 1764, however, the- Asantehene had to act when he learnt that the allies had appealed to the
Yoruba state of Oyo for help."


Read that over and over...

PhysicsQED:

Do you actually know what you're talking about? Or are you basing your conclusions on one document which does not cite a source for this specific claim?

The Dahomians were the problem as far as rebellious groups and the Asante complained about why they couldn't get revenge on them - the state that was lording over Dahomey at that time.

Please try and actually find out about this stuff and you won't run with start mixing up states.

SmoothCrim:

You are confused or drunk. Ashantee had no desire to conquer Dahomey is that is what you are saying

PhysicsQED:

You're a lazy fake historian. Do you even know where Dahomey is (was) and were Oyo is (was) located in respect to Asante and the rebel groups?

Dahomey offered assistance to rebels in Bron, Kwawu, and Akyem and that was the cause of hostilities. If you're too dumb and lazy to go and find that out, that's your problem.

But Asante wouldn't dare attack Dahomey after their 1764 defeat for reasons which they made clear themselves and which I've explained to your repeatedly.

SmoothCrim:

You are confused or drunk. Ashantee had no desire to conquer Dahomey if that is what you are saying The only groups to seriously challenge the Ashantee were other Akan groups and that is what that article says. This was largely a side battle and not one of large interests. It was a debacle and considered a major embarrassment because the kingdoms were viewed as weak when compared to Ashantee!


I am saying the truth maybe you are a Yoruba so can't accept that but, that is the true context.

Esencially what they would be thinking is you have these other competent Akan groups and others coming after you and you can't even beat a weak kingdom like Oyo!!? Overthrow the king and put someone else in power! He's incompetent.

They were largely right too because after the overthrow the kingdoms agenda went back on track. AN agenda which did not consider Oyo to be relevant.

SmoothCrim:

False, Dahomey was not relevant and Ashantee or other Akans had infiltrated it a long time ago. Today people from what was Dahomey take Akan names. That should tell you something. Once again you can't talk about Ashantee without talking about the kingdoms that came before them but, that is a long debate.

PhysicsQED:

Fon people take Akan names? Give proof of that and I'll accept the claim.

Dahomey is not relevant because you blindly asserted that? Man, I'm not even going to bother with that one.

Stop deluding yourself. An army was sent out, was defeated and several important nobles/commanders were killed, and the capital was in mourning afterward and they couldn't get revenge on Dahomey out of fear of Dahomey's protector. I've explained the situation to you repeatedly but you keep deceiving yourself.

SmoothCrim:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akan_names

PhysicsQED:

A while back you said not to rely on wikipedia in an intellectual debate.

I'll overlook the fact that you did and ask the simple question, where is the actual proof that Fon people take Akan names (not that the wiki article even says that they do anyway)? If they do actually take Akan names, fine. But at least give evidence of that.

SmoothCrim:

Ask a Fon person if they use those names. I am of the view that as far as coastal west Africa goes no Ethnic group have had a bigger influence on the culture than the Akan. This is coming from a neutral.

PhysicsQED:

The wiki article you gave as evidence claims that the Akan started the tradition of naming a baby on the day of the week that it was born in West Africa. It does not say that Fon people use Akan names.

I am not Yoruba by the way, so my arguments here are just as "neutral" as yours. I was only asking for a little bit of evidence for the claim. That's all. If you can't provide it, just say so and I'll drop the issue.

SmoothCrim:

Those names listed are Akan names and they are used by Fon people..

Look at the name of the Ref in this match from Benin.

Clearly An Akan name

http://www.cafonline.com/competition/african-cup-of-nations-angola_2010/news/4530-referees-for-semi-finals-ghana-v-nigeria-algeria-v-egypt.html

PhysicsQED: Fine, so you can't give evidence. It has no bearing on the truth of what I've been saying anyway.