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The Great Songhai Empire by Nobody: 7:25pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
This was the greatest empire in Africa - outside Egypt (Kemet), Nubia (Sudan), Cush (Ethiopia), and arguably The Great Zimbabwe IMO. 1 Like |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by Nobody: 7:31pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
^^^^This was the same empire that built the ancient city of Timbuktu, the first university in the world with black scholars - and later conquered Southern Europe in conjunction with Arabs, and ruled Southern Europe for more than 500 years. They also built a university in Salamanca (Spain). They call them moors in Eurocentric books - but Moor means BLACK in Spanish. I salute these great people! |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 7:44pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
Ah! That old West Afrikan empire!!! This is the kind of stuff I expect to discuss on here! By the way Cush is Sudan not Ethiopia you dumb Boko! http://wysinger.homestead.com/kush.html The Sudanese have a lot of history but, seem to have forgotten all of it much like most Africans. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by Nobody: 7:50pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
^^^^How did they forget it? Both Nubia and Cush extended into Sudan/Ethiopia. Why do you think they call Egypt(Kemet) the first daughter of Ethiopia? The same people who built Nubia/Cush were the ones who later migrated to West Africa to build the Songhai, Mali, Ghana, Oyo, and Benin Empires.. Stop trolling, you're annoying.. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 7:52pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
shymmex: ^^^^How did they forget it? FALSE YOU dumb BOKO!!!!!!!! There is no evidence of that. They may have interacted with each other. And there is evidence of that but, it was not a whole scale migration! That is unprovable!!! Don't put Empires in the heart of West Africa in other regions!! |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by Nobody: 7:54pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
^^^^Both Nubia and Cush extended into Sudan/Ethiopia. Why do you think they call Egypt(Kemet) the first daughter of Ethiopia? I'm done with you, troll.. Don't mess up my thread. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 7:55pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
shymmex: ^^^^Both Nubia and Cush extended into Sudan/Ethiopia. Prove your claims you dumb BOKO!!! I read history objectively. I find it funny that a region that has produced so many empires(second to only North Africa maybe and that is debatable) will have some IDIOTS trying to remove them from the area |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by Nobody: 8:12pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
Also Ahmed Baba was from the Songhai empire. Most people don't know about him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vhx5OHfekk |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 8:12pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
The LAST Pure ancient West African cultures are found in Ghana. The rest have been destroyed almost!! Only Ghanaian rule CAN SAVE West Africa!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru2IvlO_G_0 |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 8:15pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
You can't talk about ancient west Africa without talking about GOLD GOLD GOLD!!! In this region without gold you were generally considered a JOKE!! I tried to make that point on another thread but, the trolls over ran it! I love these types of debates!! Lets talk about West African history, ancient West African culture etc etc. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by Nobody: 8:28pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
^^^^^Undefeated Kushites |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 8:30pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
shymmex: ^^^^^Undefeated KushitesActually the Kushites were defeated numerous times... What does Nubia mean dumb Boko?? Let me teach you a thing or two about Ancient Africa in general!!! |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 9:04pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
Ran all the dumb Boko's out of here!!! Only Ghanaian RULE can save West Afrika! Let's take it back to the start!! Take it back to the roots!!! The last of the ancient West African(and African??) cultures is still practiced in Ghana only!! Ghana Ghana!!! A land of many Kings! |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by Nobody: 9:06pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
SmoothCrim: They did conquer ancient Egypt thats for sure. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 9:07pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
KingMichael777: Yes! Conquered and ruled it! |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 9:12pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
Since no one answered my question, Nubia means GOLD! GOLD!!!!! Ancient Africans generally loved Gold!!! These Ancient African cultures are dead in Africa though even though Ghana(the only country I believe) still has a lot of it. Pictures: [img]http://www.twi.bb/kente_chief.jpg[/img] [img]http://4.bp..com/_DnXDQGcPK04/TQYj0_pAhaI/AAAAAAAAB4k/3C4Of7uNJAU/s400/Otumfuo%2Bbday%2B%25286%2529.JPG[/img] [img]http://sirismm.si.edu/eepa/eep/eepa_01478.jpg[/img] |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 9:15pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
Gold Gold GOLD!! [img]http://3.bp..com/_DnXDQGcPK04/SIkJJCubI_I/AAAAAAAAAnc/YYC1ajQWsQk/s320/gold_bars.jpg[/img] The heart of ancient West African culture!!!! |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by odumchi: 9:15pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
shymmex: ^^^^This was the same empire that built the ancient city of Timbuktu, the first university in the world with black scholars - and later conquered Southern Europe in conjunction with Arabs, and ruled Southern Europe for more than 500 years. They also built a university in Salamanca (Spain). Are you talking about the same Songhay empire that fell to the Morrocans in 1591? If so, when did it invade Europe or even reach the North African coast? Either way, nice thread. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 9:24pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
If we are taking about the Mali Empire by the time the so called Moroccans had overran, it was long past its peak and was dying or dead!!! Many will argue that the Moroccans destroyed it but, that is FALSE FALSE FALSE!!! What destroyed the last remnants of empire was the arrival of Europeans. With European arrival that area no longer was the heart of trade in West Africa, the coastal areas were. Thus, those who may have initially sent their goods through the Trans-Saharan route started to use the Atlantic. This increased the gap in wealth between Coastal West Africa and those further up North! A gap that still exists today. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by Nobody: 9:28pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
odumchi: They ruled Europe during the dark ages before the renaissance, and that was way before 1591.. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 9:28pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
Gold and Kola nuts are Modern day Ghana-Ivory Coast-Mali... Ivory-Wood-Slaves are modern Nigeria and Cameroon. When Europeans arrived it changed this dynamic and today that area of Africa is very poor, always suffering from drought etc!!But, Mali is the 3rd largest gold producer in Africa behind South Africa and Ghana. So, they are still living off that GOLD GOLD GOLD!!!! |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 9:30pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
shymmex: Can you focus the debate on empirical facts so as to not take it down a dangerous route which will skew history to embarrassing things I have a very holistic understanding of African history so, I am not like the kids who just throw big things out there without understanding it. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by odumchi: 9:40pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
shymmex: Any historical evidence? During the dark ages, Europe was politically fragmented and (for some time), Southern Spain was under the control of the Abbasids. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by Nobody: 9:46pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
odumchi: I'll search my archives for links now. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 9:46pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
Even Sudan(Nubia/Kush) is today trying to restore their GOLD GOLD GOLD industry!! http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/18/us-sudan-gold-idUSBRE86H0SX20120718 |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 10:03pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
Well since no one is smart enough to debate it thank me later. I just gave you the context to study Ancient West Africa and African cultures. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by PhysicsQED(m): 10:35pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
Bringing the thread back into focus on Songhai itself. . . Has anyone come across any description of the fleet of ships (apparently) employed by one or more of the Songhai rulers? |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by Nobody: 10:49pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
PhysicsQED: Bringing the thread back into focus on Songhai itself. . . Nah, can you post a link? |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by PhysicsQED(m): 10:50pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
For the record, the reason why I want a primary source, or at least centuries old historical description second hand from knowledgeable informants, is because sometimes African boats that would necessarily have to have been much larger than say, Viking longboats (which for whatever reason, are not often called canoes), just going off of the description of them, are called war canoes. Now I know they were said to have had a fleet of "huge war canoes" (that's how one modern historical book described it) on the Niger river, but I want to see an actual original description (not someone else's summary/paraphrase) to see whether the "canoe" appellation is justified. If it is, no big deal - after all, both triremes and Viking longboats were really large war canoes - but I want to know if the boats might actually have been bigger. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 10:50pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
PhysicsQED: Bringing the thread back into focus on Songhai itself. . . |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 10:51pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
Off to conquer Europe now!!! |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 10:56pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
Why are all of you so obsessed with African imperialism in Europe?? It makes it seem like you are desperate to counter European colonialism in Africa by focusing on African imperialism in Europe. This is the wrong premise. The correct premise is the simple fact that Colonialism, Imperialism and other similar ills are BARBARIC, USELESS and embarrassing history which belongs in the dustbin. Why would anyone apart from a very sick person want to relive that barbarian era It is embarrassing history, shameful history when a group of Barbarians overrun a place and call it an empire! In the end, learn from history rather than finding joy in others misfortune. |
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