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Re: The Great Songhai Empire by Nobody: 10:58pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
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Re: The Great Songhai Empire by PhysicsQED(m): 10:59pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
shymmex: That's the thing, all the book sources one can find online (or at least which I have found online so far) seem to just be one or two sentence summaries about Songhai having a fleet of large war canoes or ships on the river(s). Anyone can find these modern sources with enough searching online. But I would like to read the original source for this information, not some modern scholar's summary. I remember a while back, when Ivan van Sertima, in a bid to support his false hyperdiffusionist theory of some black African seafarers reaching the Americas and inspiring some or all of Mesoamerican civilizations or impacting heavily on them, put forward a claim about a Malian fleet sailing to the Americas, one of the objections from a scholar to his claim about that Malian ruler sending out an expeditionary fleet across the Atlantic to the Americas was that (black) Africans didn't build ships big enough to do that - which of course, sounds ludicrous in light of the fact that the Vikings reached the Americas using what are essentially large canoes, and also in light of Thor Heyerdahl's voyage. I don't care for van Sertima's theory on Mesoamerica, which I regard as false, but this notion of all African ships being too small for those kind of voyages is something which I view with skepticism. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by PhysicsQED(m): 11:00pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
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Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 11:05pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
SmoothCrim: Why are all of you so obsessed with African imperialism in Europe?? To reiterate!!! |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by Nobody: 11:05pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
This is the boat they found in Nigeria (about 10,000 years old) |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by PhysicsQED(m): 11:07pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
SmoothCrim: Why are all of you so obsessed with African imperialism in Europe?? Well the guy that started the "black nobility of ancient Europe" thread may be interested in that. And shymmex may have some partial interest in that. But I don't think many other people (including myself) have shown much interest in that. This is the wrong premise. True. But disputes over land and trade are almost inevitable between expansive cultures/groups, right? So when one of these groups defeats another group, it's not always mere barbarity. Sometimes it's just one group of warriors besting another group in a fair enough fight over political and territorial supremacy. I think most people, whether African or non-African, are far more interested in the social complexity and culture of ancient empires than in the details about their conquests. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by Nobody: 11:07pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
SmoothCrim: No one is obsessed with African imperialism of Europe, this thread was created to celebrate the Songhai Empire.. This is the culture section.. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 11:07pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
http://stewartsynopsis.com/europe_conquered_by_africans.htm YEAHHHHHHHH we conquered Europe YEAAAAHHHHHHH Some of our West African ancestors joined up With North African Barbarians to become Barbarians in Europe! YEAH!!! WOOO HOOOOOOOOO!!!! We too took advantage of them! YEAhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Barbarian life!!!!! See how dumb it sounds?? Barbarian culture is embarrassing and should not be celebrated!!! It's not an empire it is embarrassing history which one should try to hide. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 11:10pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
NOW, that I know this, I can finally balance my checkbook! Get out of my face Nigga!!! I'm a Bakassi man from Nigga-Area(Nigeria)!!! Time to get on my small boat and head over to Spain to conquer it again! YEAHHHH WOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Barbarian life!!! Yes sir!!! Stop being dumb and discuss history well please!!!!! |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 11:17pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
shymmex: This is the boat they found in Nigeria (about 10,000 years old) Bakassi!!!!!!!! |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by Nayah(f): 11:17pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
Unfortuneteky this people are being eaten by this Northern rebellion in Mali, I really like their simplicity, beauty and calm but they need to have a warrior mentality especially right now |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by ezeagu(m): 11:18pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
SmoothCrim: Gold Gold GOLD!! Gold had no value in southeastern Nigeria. SE Gold was bronze. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 11:19pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
Only Ghanaian rule CAN SAVE West Africa! The last of the truly Ancient cultures of West Africa(and even Africa) that is still alive!! GIVE ME GOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 11:20pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
ezeagu: That is why that area is not historically part of ancient West Africa and would have been of little interest to ancient West Africans. I think that area is where a new expansive migration started to take root and ultimately led to the Bantu Migration out of Cameroon. That is for another thread though. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 11:25pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
Nayah: Unfortuneteky this people are being eaten by this Northern rebellion in Mali, I really like their simplicity, beauty and calm but they need to have a warrior mentality especially right now That rebellion is dead! Now Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb is there trying to radicalize the historically moderate friendly Islam of Mali West Africa. You see the Islam in West Africa proper(not including Barbarian Northern Nigeria which has its Islamic roots outside of West Africa). Is generally peaceful, and abhors radicalism and other ills. That is why you won't find people in Mali as interested in joining Al Qaeda as you will in Northern Nigeria!!! In fact, this abhorrence of radical Islam is not only in West Africa proper but, the Maghreb region of North Africa(Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco etc etc. ) |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by ezeagu(m): 11:29pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
SmoothCrim: Southeastern Nigeria has always been linked to West Africa, it geographically is in West Africa. Could you explain what you mean by little interest to ancient West Africans? |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 11:31pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
I will be honest with you and say I don't consider a lot Nigeria to be part of West Africa! Like India I would Consider Nigeria a Sub-Continent! In fact there are more people in Nigeria than all of West Africa combined!!! |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 11:32pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
ezeagu: Ancient West Africans only cared about Gold Gold Gold!!!!!!!! |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by ezeagu(m): 11:34pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
That's not true, there's little gold interest in Nigeria. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 11:35pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
ezeagu: That's not true, there's little gold interest in Nigeria. Because, Nigeria historically lacked the essence of Ancient West African cultures!!! |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by Nayah(f): 11:36pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
SmoothCrim:You might be right but they need to preserve their culture and ethnic groups from these rebels, and I find them quite silent about it and that's quite sad |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 11:37pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
Nayah: Blame French colonialism. When the French colonize you they take every ounce of dignity you have!! |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by PhysicsQED(m): 11:37pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
Somebody should get that kid some shares in Barrick Gold so he can pipe down about gold already and stop derailing. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by Nayah(f): 11:37pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
SmoothCrim:LMAO you seem to like clashes...actually I disagree West Africa is just a location gathering many Kingdoms and culture, how come big Nigeria couldn't be part of this Great History? |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by Nayah(f): 11:39pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
SmoothCrim:Nop, I don't think so, I'm from Cameroon and I'm sorry we're not like your description. Google Ruben Um Nyobe on the Net then we can discuss... |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 11:40pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
Nayah: In Ancient West Africa if you did not have gold you were useless...Considered a joke!!! There is basically no Gold in Nigeria! Nigeria OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GIVE ME ANCIENT WEST AFRICA!!! I am semi-trolling but, somewhat serious!!! |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 11:41pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
Nayah: It is just a personal observation. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by SmoothCrim: 11:42pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
Nigeria may be debatable but, Cameroon is CERTAINLY historically NOT a West African country!!! |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by PhysicsQED(m): 11:43pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
SmoothCrim: Kanem-Bornu? You've heard of it right? The issue of whether they traded in gold is not so clear cut (different sources make different claims), but they were around as early as some of these other places we're talking about, and were also involved in Sahelian and North African trade. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by Nobody: 11:43pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
SmoothCrim Don't derail the thread, plz.. |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by Nobody: 11:44pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
yes do not derail the thread @smoothcrim stop trolling and share what you know ...... |
Re: The Great Songhai Empire by Nobody: 11:44pm On Jul 23, 2012 |
SmoothCrim: Nigeria may be debatable but, Cameroon is CERTAINLY historically NOT a West African country!!!again |
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