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darkelf:
After how many years in the league.

Why are fans like this?

I'm sure you were one of those that scoffed at those that labeled Messi the next Maradona. Oya tell me why Trae Young cannot be the next Steph Curry or what was present in Steph's game in his second season that Trae Young is lacking

Gimme one reason I'll wait.

MrBrownJay1:
you mean that race where Ham asked his engineer to give him EVERYTHING they got...and still couldnt overtake that Ferrari?! if that car had no race pace, then i'll hate to see what they got when they finally DO have that elusive race pace....oh shiiit, we already saw it in Singapore, Italy and Belgium.

The more pertinent question should be why Ferrari even with a 1-2 were not a threat after the first corner where freaking Bottas passed them both. For 3 laps Ham was half a second behind Seb. I was surprised Seb was able to hold him off with some defensive driving I didn't know he still had in him especially on a track like Suzuka where overtaking is possible

Singapore is an overtaking driver's nightmare and we saw how hard Seb had to play defense for Leclerc in Spa before he was eventually passed. The Mercs are usually the faster car and have better pace on race day. This everyone knows including notorious Mercedes and Hamilton fanboys at BBC

In Italy Leclerc had to sweat with the Mercs breathing down his neck as well.

MrBrownJay1:
but then if "everybody" knew that, why didnt they follow Merc's strategy and at least have ONE of their driver cover Ham?! makes no sense to me!

The blame should go to Ferrari who were simply not paying attention. Ricciardo ran a lengthy stint with the hards and was still doing quick times. That tyre was bullet proof

MrBrownJay1:
Leclerc's tyres were fine, as he confirmed after the race...and lap chart can easily confirmed that all top drivers (Ham, Vettel, Bottas and Leclerc) were lapping at the same pace... Leclerc pitted 10 laps too early for a 2 stopper, while Vettel pitted 10 laps too late for a 1 stopper....even a blind man could see that.
there is no way Ferrari should have lost that race....and if they did NOT then RBR should have been there to win it. all a bunch of AMATEURS!
i think they all are shaking in their boot when close to a Merc.

This makes their decisions even sillier. You don't give up track position twice!! They didn't even give Leclerc a fighting chance to win the race. In a race you started 1-2 how could you fail both drivers so badly to the point where by mid race only one driver could realistically win and even he would have had to do it on the track

budaatum:
Someone has already shown how difficult it is to go faster than a car in front of you. So believe your "not quicker" if you want. Fact is the clock does not lie.

"“The pure raw pace, they [Ferrari] have the quickest package at the moment, but Sundays don’t seem to come together for them,” added Wolff. “We like it. And we are hungry to continue as we’ve done. Maybe getting these occasional slaps in qualifying helps us to improve."
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.wolff-mexican-gp-victory-shows-mercedes-strength-and-depth.6lkQoM3BgPDOoVxhEbMoXy.html

It's also true that the team behind, with less to lose, can take more risks. And that the Mercedes appears still to be a slightly faster race car than the Ferrari, even if the Ferrari has established a definitive edge in qualifying.
But it's equally true that a slower race car can win from the front - as Leclerc himself proved in both Belgium and Italy.

This is an excerpt from the article you posted. Bear in mind this is BBC we're talking about here, a notoriously pro-Hamilton, pro-Mercedes and anti-Vettel and Ferrari followership and even Andrew Benson the chief executive propagandist

There is a reason the Mercs are always in play every weekend no matter where they start on the grid. So if you like believe the master illusionista Toto Wolff and Hamilton who come to complain about Ferrari's speed every weekend

benji93:
The kid has got potential, but the real question can he continue such brilliance for a stretch of 82 games, getting ATL into the playoffs enroute? I would rather wait till the end of the season before drawing a conclusion.

If we look purely at how both players have started their careers then it can be argued that Trae Young has been better, especially if we evaluate from the back end of last season to this point.

The argument is not if Trae is as good as Steph yet but the trajectory is there. Their games are similar and do bear in mind that Steph didn't make the playoffs until his 4th season albeit playing in a tougher conference

budaatum:
"While Ferrari arguably sabotaged their own race by surrendering track position and the lead with both drivers at separate times, Mercedes, led by chief strategist James Vowles, made all the right calls, gambling on an early stop to grab the lead. And Hamilton made them work."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/50204141

Your article literally buttresses all I've been saying.

From the blunder on Leclerc, to the Mercs being quicker on race day.

To the fact that it took multiple displays of incompetence on Ferrari's part for the Mercs to be in position to capitalize

budaatum:
Is pitting not a significant part of strategy? Is pitting early not precisely a significant part of what screwed Leclerc?

Even without them screwing it up I doubt he would have beat Vettel not to talk of Hamilton!

I'm saying Ferrari's poor pitting turned a 1-2 to a 2-4. Even with a slower car it takes a spectacular fail for you to turn a 1-2 to a 2-4 in a race without safety car incidents

The initial screw up took Leclerc out of the equation. Ferrari, Hamilton thought Hamilton would not finish the lap on those tires. This was a big fail on Ferrari's part.

The myth that Ferrari were quicker was largely rubbished as neither car even sniffed DRS range of the Mercs even on fresher tires. That says it all really

MrBrownJay1:
bro, we all saw in Suzuka, even when Ham was right in Vettel's gearbox and had DRS at the last corner, he couldnt get anywhere near that Ferrari...same shiit that happened yesterday in Mexico with Bottas. that car's straight line speed advantage makes A LOT of difference.

Couldn't get anywhere near? Are you serious? For the last 3 laps he was half a second behind Vettel while Bottas was 15 seconds ahead driving into the sunset

Ferrari had no race pace and everyone knew that Japan race was between Bottas and Hamilton

MrBrownJay1:
yesterday's race was a bit funky (must have been the altitude) because Vettel never got within DRS zone of Ham... what i dont understand is why they pitted Leclerc so early? Ferrari had a split strategy (i get that), but yet none of their BS strategy was covering Ham. if Leclerc or Vettel had pitted at the same time as Ham did (to cover the undercut), there is NO WAY Ham could have won with a Ferrari in front.

Whatever the altitude might have been it had zero impact on the hard compounds. They lasted way longer than anyone could have realistically projected ahead of the race.

Unless they were worried about Leclerc's tires degrading alarmingly I fail to see why he was pitted that early without considering the possibility of the race being a one stopper instead of a two, and even worse they ensured that every Ferrari car that came to pit lost unnecessary time as well. Amateur hour by Ferrari

budaatum:
Strategy only works if your input data is accurate, the the two go hand in hand. You get your data at free practise, and its your fault if you get it wrong.

As for which car was faster, the data never lies. Just check who qualified quicker. LeClerc's two stopper would still have left him where Vettel was with the need to overtake which ain't easy unless you're a second quicker which, considering who stopped first (LeClerc!), and therefore older tyres, I say good luck with that.

I'm saying this strategy was incumbent on Ferrari bungling their pitstop completely. Leclerc was pitted too early and his race compromised.

Even Vettel miscalculated and thought Hamilton would not be able to go on to the end of the race. Hamilton himself didn't think he would make it

Forget about qualifying and look at the fact that neither Bottas nor Hamilton came under any real threat from the chasing Ferrari's despite running on older tires. The Mercs had consistent race pace and were as quick as the Ferrari's

The Trae Young and Steph comparisons are legit oh. Iro o da. That kid is a baller

MrBrownJay1:
bro, they DO have the faster car lately, they are just FUCKING UP.... thats why during the race Mercs cannot catch and overtake them.....its only thanks to undercutting and using insane strategies that the Mercs can get in front.

anyway let us all wait for next year, and hope to see some of these others teams finally bring their A game.

6 yrs in a row.... it aint funny any longer!

You don't catch and overtake anyhow in a track like Mexico. That's why Hamilton held off Seb with a 49 lap tire

At Suzuka you saw how Sebastian had to defend with every last inch just to keep himself ahead of Ham. Hamilton had literally caught him.

The Mercs always have race pace no matter what happens in qualifying, there is never a massive drop off come race day

budaatum:
Ferrari did have a faster car than Mercedes. That was very clear yesterday. They threw it away on strategy! And I think someone must have taken a bribe!

Merc won this on superior strategy, and not with a faster car, which makes their win the more admirable, winning with inferior equipment!

Haba. So how come the Ferrari's were never able to pull away to make their gamble on Leclerc work?

What you call strategy was the fact that the Hard tyres lasted far longer than anyone could have anticipated, with little to no degradation and without losing any speed. Ferrari's error was putting Leclerc on a two stopper and then messing up his pit stop else they would have won the race.

Mexico is not exactly an ideal track for overtaking either so once Ferrari screwed up it was Mercedes race to lose.

The Hornets would be a really good team if Terry Rozier was even a half decent Point Guard. I love MJ but how and what could he have possibly seen in Terry goddamn Rozier who has the worst shot selection I've ever seen

Obere4u:
VAR for epl na rubbish... How was Utd first awarded penalty a penalty but Odoi was booked for simulation when it was a clear push?

Arsenal goal should have stood... Livarpool penalty, well they did it against Leicester, it's not a surprise anyways

Pusha T ni

BlueRayDick:
How does someone behind you win a penalty against u when u are about kicking the ball out ?

That ball right there was more of mane seizing Aurier’s leg preventing him from kicking the ball. I’ve seen that same ball judged foul against Any player in mane’s position several times; both local and international matches

You people should fear God sometimes. How can you say that was not a pen with a straight face?

Imagine thinking Porzingis would not be an absolute beast this year

Kyrie gunning for that scoring title this year

budaatum:
Can someone explain to me how much Ferrari got paid to let Lewis win in Mexico!

I have almost never seen such crap strategy!

Lmaoooo it has reached joke status now. I feel for Leclerc. They cost him this race with their incompetence

Also something must be said for Mercedes and it's race pace. This is not the second, third or fourth time this is happening. Let nobody in the future come and tell me how Ferrari had the faster car and other sundry megedefegede.

The Steph slander has gone nuclear on the interwebs

steady986:
I have a feeling you're concluding that every tall player should just be a rim protector.

Here's Pelinka saying he can guard 1-5, and you're here on Nairaland thinking your opinion matters

You're a clown with obviously shaky command and interpretation of English.

When it is crunch time, it is what AD can actually do on the court that would matter not your opinion or that of Pelinka so stop inundating me with nonsense

afrodoc2:
Lol. The sport that puts me to sleep is baseball. Good thing that even Americans have now gotten the memo, and America's pastime has been slowly relegated to America's past times.

Lmaoooo baseball is too long for starters. And that is another sport I don't quite understand the koko of it.

afrodoc2:
I definitely prefer American Football, however Rugby can be interesting as well (especially at the top level).

Baba I tried oh. I no know when sleep carry me go. Maybe because I don't quite grab all the rules.

steady986:
Is this trolling or just flat out ignorance?

Lmaooooooo you're dreaming. You think snagging a few blocks here and there is the same thing as on ball defense. It's actually Kawhi that can check AD not the other way round

FBS:
Nah brah. It is actually quite interesting and entertaining. I get the beef between the codes and all that, but England vs New Zealand is a BIG deal. The All Blacks are the favorites but I'm sure Eddie Jones has other ideas.

You still don't wanna miss it.

Lool it's not a matter of beef. I have no dog in the fight.

I no just grab or find the sport entertaining ni. The idea of 15 ninjas running forming a horizontal convoy and tossing the ball to each other laterally no just excite me.

I understand your excitement sha

Ibime:
Thunder fire Pep. This week of all weeks when we need him to catch Vardy owners!

I hope it backfires and they draw. Really hope so

steady986:
The only reason Kawhi dropped 30 the other night is because Vogel thought it right to put KCP on him. Just imagine. If it were me I'd throw AD on that man.

But as you said, the defence is better, LeBron is even playing some elite D. Maybe it's because his offensive workload has reduced. Long may it continue.

Lmaooooooo you think AD can check Kawhi?

I no blame you sha. Na Utah without Bogdanovic dey make you beat chest

steady986:
OK, I get it. For you to be crowned king, you need to win a heavily depleted team.

You can only beat what is in front of you. Klay Thompson played 4 games and 3 quarters so heavily depleted is a stretch. Golden State have also benefitted from beating heavily depleted teams.

Kawhi is the best player in the league rn. Make your peace with it

FBS:
England vs New Zealand. Rugby World Cup Semi-Finals. You don't wanna miss it.

I don try my best to sit down watch that Rugby. E no just enter. Just doesn't excite me at all

steady986:
We lost by 10, and we were in it up until the 4th quarter. You lost by 19 and were dead and gone before the end of the 3rd. Kawhi didn't even have to play in the forth, Lol.

Story man. All na still L

Bogdanovic might not play so una suppose beat Utah

steady986:
If he does a similar feat this year then we can coronate him, but for now, he's just a mere contender. King no dey fall like that na, King fa.

Alaye. Prior to Kawhi's injury he was in the discussion already. His exploits last post season cemented that position.
Give the man his crown. When it was LeNomad's time (from 2011 onwards) everybody agreed he was the best. Why is it so difficult for you lot to do likewise for someone else

If we're going by purely regular season ball then it can be argued that James Harden is actually the best player in the league not even una Queen

The only thing LeNomad is best at in the league right now is flopping. That's why that tiny push from Green had him flying out of bounds the last game

steady986:
Your so called best player in the league needed a heavily depleted Golden State to win Finals MVP and the title. Is that who you want to bestow that crown on?


As far as I'm concerned LeBron still has the crown and no one has taken it from him. It doesn't take one year to lose a crown, neither does it take one year to win it. Even Curry tried for 4 years and couldn't. KD has been trying since he came into the league but still can't. It's one nigga from somewhere that managed to win one questionable title that wants to collect it. Make I hear abeg.

Lool you can never stop yarnin Okoto meow meow skrrrrrrrr skrr.

The best player in the league is a moving target and no one player's birth right.

Mind you Kawhi was already knocking on the door before injury derailed his campaign in the 2017 playoffs. Maybe you have forgotten the Spurs were blowing out Golden State in Game 1 till he got hurt. He had finished runner up in MVP voting and 3rd in the years leading to his injury.

I was one of the doubters he could return to form but after what he showed last season, he has usurped LeNomad and that fact you need to embrace

yomi96:
First off, let me say that basketball is a TEAM sport. And yes the bench players are apart of the TEAM. But the starting five scored ONLY 52 points of the 112. The bench scored 60 points. I'm NOT trying to diminish the win. But any real sports person knows that can't continue if they want to win a championship . But nonetheless they got the win and that's ALL that matters!!!

It's far too early to crown anyone Champions but I think you're not considering the fact that the Clippers bench is just a bench nominally.

Montrezl Harrell played 38 minutes. Lou Williams finishes games pretty much every time. So guys like Harrell and Williams are part of this 'bench' for show more or less

haymekus:
As long as messi and Suarez is still in this team, we wouldn’t win the ucl

Eishhhhh