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HungerBAD:
Laughing.

Yes,it has to be an African pastor.

It is either our Pastors are feeding people grass, or giving people a pamphlet with a specific amount of money for different prayers, touching your joystick to make it big, selling Jesus blood in a bottle, saying masturbation is okay by God, sending private jets to smuggle in arms from South Africa or generally just being African Pastors.

And now this very Pastor, just confirmed from God that we should not make love at a certain time. There must be some "CRACK COCAINE" in the Bible these guys are reading from.

ojabel:
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You are still talking about the law when we've moved on to GRACE. Which part of the bible said he can no longer have sex with his wives after been born again? You are trying to introduce doctrine that is not in the bible.

Don't form the habit of always approaching the bible from the angle of the law. We're not God. Judah, Rahab, David were all ifrom the lineage of Jesus, yet God accepted them after they repented and He never winged any rope of the law around their necks. None of them qualified to be in the lineage of Jesus, but for GRAcE!

Think about this, the man had paid dowry on those wives, he's bound by the same law you've quated to remain with them for life.

The word of God is simple and clear. Having sex with the wives doesn't reduce or increase his chance of making or losing eternity.

Did God "Wink" at Sin in the Old Testament?

by David J. Stewart



"Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" (Acts 17:29-30).

I once heard a preacher say that the reason God allowed men to have multiple wives back in the Old Testament was because He "winked" at their sins back then. This is a lie. Friend, God NEVER "winks" at sin. If you'll notice Acts 17:30, you'll find that God winked at their "ignorance," not their sins. Cain killed Able, did God wink at it? Certainly not; God pronounced a curse upon Cain for the sin of murdering Able, his brother. So why should we believe that God allowed or condoned any sin in the Old Testament. No my friend, if polygamy is sinful today, it was sinful back then as well. Malachi 3:6 tells us that God NEVER changes, He is immutable. If God never changes, then his hatred for sin never changes. Cain had no Bible, he had no Law given unto him--yet he was punished for his crime against his brother. Ignorance is no excuse of the law! Do you know why?

"Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;" (Romans 2:15).

The reason why ignorance is no excuse for our sins is because we all have God's laws written in our hearts--a conscience! Cain didn't need a Bible to tell him not to kill Able. Cain knew murder was not acceptable. The Apostle Paul tells us that the Law makes sin "exceedingly sinful." This is exactly why Paul told the men of Greece that they had no excuse not to repent; They had the law and the prophets.

So what does Acts 17:30 really mean? What was God winking at in the Old Testament? The word "winked" in Greek means "to overlook." So what was God overlooking? We read that Paul found the men of Athens worshipping God in a peculiar manner.

"For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you" (Acts 17:23).

The Savior was a big mystery to Old Testament Saints. They knew that the Messiah would some day come, but they were ignorant about the specifics. Today, we have detailed information provided by the Word of God. We have absolutely no excuse not to repent. Oh how severe will be the judgment upon this generation for their continued rejection of the gospel and their love for sin. With the modern technological advances, the gospel is being preached across the radio waves into every nation. The Old Testament folks didn't have much to go on. If they had even the simplest of faith, though based in total ignorance, God accepted that faith for salvation. Today, we know exactly what God expects from us.

The key issue here in Acts 17 is "ignorance," not sin. Many people today worship foolishly as did these men in Greece; however, folks today choose to remain willingly ignorant of the truth. I have witnessed to many Catholics who would not budge. They refuse to break away from their family tradition. I invited one Catholic man to church and he said he didn't want to be converted. He has no excuse. He knows what needs to be done, but he's afraid to step outside of the mold which his family is locked into. How sad! Hell will be filled with "...the fearful..." (Revelation 21:. So many people refuse to accept the good news of Jesus Christ and become born-again--because their families would laugh at them and reject them in many cases. What is your soul worth friend?

"He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me" (Matthew 10:37, 38).

So what is the Bible saying? Was God saying that we should not love our parents? Absolutely not! We are commanded to honor our parents. "Honor" primarily meaning to help them out when they're too help to care for themselves anymore. The word "honor" means "to value." We are to value our parents, not to abandon them. Howbeit, Jesus was saying that our loyalty must first be to God. If our parents and family reject Christ and His doctrine, then we are to follow after Christ and His Word regardless. Though our family may reject us, we are to obey God rather than man. I know a born-again man in his 40's who's mother and brother are staunch Catholics. After a youth of wine, women and song; He finally came to Jesus Christ for forgiveness and salvation. Now he's a Christian, living for the Lord. He said that whenever he mentions being born-again to his mother, she becomes enraged. She has much animosity towards true Christians. Her son chose to become a born-again believer, regardless of what his family thought. He put God first! She is not ignorant, she is willfully rebellious against God's Word. She has heard the truth and has rejected it.

So once again, let me say, God may have "winked" at ignorance in the Old Testament because of the mystery of the coming Messiah, but God did NOT wink at sin. God killed a man in the Old Testament for simply touching the ark of the covenant. Korah and his followers were consumed by the earth into the depths of hell when they rebelled against Moses, God's man. No friend, God didn't play games back then. As a matter of fact, God destroyed the entire world because of the wickedness of mankind in Noah's day. They didn't have a Bible, only Noah, a preacher of righteousness. The Bible tells us about all these things to warn us, to give us an example to heed (Romans 15:4). Today, we have preaching and Bible teaching abundantly available. People are acting as they did in Noah's day (eating, drinking and marrying without a trace of God in their lives). Oh how grave will be the judgment on this generation. We have the truth, yet so many people shirk it away. More people are getting their direction in life from late-night TV, than they are from God's Word. How sad!

Friend, you have no excuses! We have an over abundance of truth today. Billionaire Ted Turner said, "Christians are losers." I heard him say, "I look forward to going to hell because I sure deserve it." Has he has no excuse. How foolish and wicked is the heart of humanity

Source: [url]http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's%20Corner/winking_at_sin.htm[/url]

kanmyokoya:
Polygamy is not a sin going by the Holy Qur'an
Qur'an 4:3

Who doesn't know that? I don't even have to read the Quran to know. How many wives did Muhammed had again? anybody?

ojabel:
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You are still talking about the law when we've moved on to GRACE. Which part of the bible said he can no longer have sex with his wives after been born again? You are trying to introduce doctrine that is not in the bible.

Don't form the habit of always approaching the bible from the angle of the law. We're not God. Judah, Rahab, David were all ifrom the lineage of Jesus, yet God accepted them after they repented and He never winged any rope of the law around their necks. None of them qualified to be in the lineage of Jesus, but for GRAcE!

Think about this, the man had paid dowry on those wives, he's bound by the same law you've quated to remain with them for life.

The word of God is simple and clear. Having sex with the wives doesn't reduce or increase his chance of making or losing eternity.

I pray that you don't die in that (or this) condition. Act 17 vs 30 says, And the times of ignorance GOD WINKED AT: but now commandeth ALL MEN EVERY WHERE to REPENT.

That God overlooked polygamy of old-time saints doesn't mean He likes it or wants them to do it. They had little knowledge then. But now? He commands everyone to repent of those things God overlooked.


That means you'd even be neutral if the likes of Kumuyi, Adeboye, etc. marries seven wives. Please, don't mention me again, as I won't answer you again.

frosbel2:
I have one wife and she is enough for me .

My main point and reason for this debate is to debunk the false comment made by some religious folk here which says that a man who has 4 wives and children is mandated to keep only the first one and chase away the other three after he becomes 'born again ' so called. I strongly disagree with this position because it is unscriptural.

That been said, I agree with you logic , and in these days it is more healthy to have one wife but if anyone decides to marry another wife and there is mutual consent without the putting away of any existing wife, then this is not SIN.

This is your answer, man...

phillip001:
My questions are,
1) If you put away because of adultery so you can re-marry abi.
2)Matthew 19:is about Marriage and Divorce,not polygamy.
3)What is one finds out that one's partner is impotent or does not a womb,what will be the solution?
4)What about domestic violence to point of death.

1. God doesn't like putting away of any sort. Matthew 19 vs 8 says, He saith unto them, Moses BECAUSE OF THE HARDNESS OF YOUR HEART suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

2. I hear you, but consider this in Proverbs 28 vs 18, it says, He that covereth his sin (adultery, in this case) shall not prosper: but whoso CONFESSETH and FORSAKETH (forsake here means doing away with the sin, which is adultery here) them shall have mercy. Now, let me clarify. Doing away with them, not having sex with them does not mean you cannot cater for them. You just let them know that they are not your wives again, except the first one, but you'll cater for them and their children, and that they can even marry if they wish. But performing the role of your wife, MBA, that's not possible.

3. Wait, how did they marry? Where did they marry? Consider this in John 14 vs 26, But the Comforter, which is the HOLY GHOST, whom the Father will send in my name, HE SHALL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS [including that the wife you want to marry does not have a womb or your husband is impotent. Failure to believe and you're OYO], and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

4. In the case of domestic violence, you can stay away from your husband or wife BUT NOT DIVORCE her. Let me tell you, Jesus said even if you put your wife away because of fornication, it is still THE HARDNESS OF YOUR HEART. You can only stay away and pray that God change your husband or wife. Anything except that and you'll sell your birthright, which is your salvation.

Paul the Apostle said you can divorce, but not remarry. I ASK YOU, IF YOU DIVORCE, CAN YOU STAY THAT WAY 'TIL YOUR PARTNER DIES? I guess not. So, to be on the safer side, you can stay away from your violent husband or wife, if you see that your life is in danger. God can still change him or her.

I Corinthians 7 says,

10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

11 But and if she depart, LET HER REMAIN UNMARRIED, or BE RECONCILED TO HER HUSBAND: and let not the husband PUT AWAY HIS WIFE.

[quote author=nairalandankrah post=46811149][/quote]Abi o.

Aposteli1:
Majority got it wrong just because they didn't Know the term "CHRISTIAN/CHRISTIANITY".And the different between OLD TESTAMENT/NEW TESTAMENT. Anyone Reffering To Abraham, Jacob, Moses And Isaac as a Christian can never get it right. The Solutions To This Are: 1, Try To Know And Have Basic Understanding Of What Is Called CHRISTIAN{ACT 11:1-30). 2, WHO IS JESUS CHRIST?, I mean the general overview of Jesus Christ (from Birth, His Mission, His Death & His Ressurection. 3, WHAT IS NEW TESTAMENT / WHY DO WE HAVE NEW TESTAMENT??. By getting to find answers to these questions, i am very sure u'll Know What It Takes To Become A Christian & How To Live Your Life As A Christian. You'll Surely Know The Truth( John 8:32} .God Bless You All. SHALOM!!

What are your own views? Suppose you preached to someone and he got saved. Then he comes to you, saying he has more than one wife and he doesn't know what to do (you know, baby in Christ), what would you advise him? Continue living and having sex with them because God and Jesus is love?

ezychris:
Seconded!

Thank you.

Timm:
According to the bible, if you have two wives, you have committed adultery.
Jesus extended the definition of adultery to include sexual relations between a married man and a woman other than his wife (Mark 10:11-12, Luke 16:18). Other New Testament teachings also understand it that way (1 Corinthians 6:15-16, 1 Corinthians 7:2 ).

Therefore, for Christians, adultery is the sin of a married man having sexual relations with anyone other than his wife or a married woman having sexual relations with anyone other than her husband.

Adultery is one of the most frequently and severely condemned sins in the Bible. Adultery is mentioned 52 times, including in the Ten Commandments, all four Gospels, and ten other books of the Bible. Only the sins of idolatry, self-righteousness and murder are mentioned more often.

You shall not commit adultery. (NIV, Exodus 20:14)

But a man who commits adultery lacks judgment; whoever does so destroys himself. (NIV, Proverbs 6:32)
For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile.” (NRSV, Matthew 15:19–20)

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT MARRYING TWO WIVES.
1 Timothy 3:2 ESV
Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach.
Luke 16:18 ESV
“Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.

Ephesians 5:31 ESV
“Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”

There are many examples of polygamy in the Bible. The first person to be a polygamist was Lamech (Genesis 4:19-24). He lived six generations after Adam. He was a murderer. Nothing good is said about him.

Abraham was also a polygamist (Genesis 16:1-5). His wife, Sarai, was unable to have children. She gave her slave, Hagar, to be Abraham’s wife. Hagar had children for Abraham. Sarah then became jealous of Hagar. This marriage was then full of troubles.

Another polygamist was Esau. He was the firstborn of Isaac and Rebekah. Esau married two Hittite women (Genesis 26:33-34). They caused much grief to Isaac and Rebekah. Polygamist marriages affect more than just the man and his wives.

Gideon was a great and brave leader. He had 70 sons from many wives (Judges 8:30-31). What kind of a father could he be to 70 sons? Not the kind that God wants us to be.

King Solomon had 700 wives, princesses, and 300 concubines. His wives turned his heart away from God (1 Kings 11:3). His downfall as a king was a result of his practice of polygamy.

Nowhere in the Bible can we find polygamy doing any good. Everything that is said about it shows it causes troubles. That has not changed. Today polygamy still causes many marriage problems for those who practice it.

Let us see some Bible principles that teach against the practice of polygamy. Genesis 2:23-24 says that a man shall leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife. God did not say that man was to be joined to his “wives.” He said that man was to be joined to his wife. That is one and only one!

Paul compares the husband and wife to Christ and the church: For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church... (Ephesians 5:23). In Ephesians 1:22-23 we are told that the church is the body of Christ. There is only one body (Ephesians 4:4) so there is only one church. A man can have as many wives as Christ has churches. Christ has only one church so a man can have only one wife. Nowhere does the Bible speak of a man (one) being over wives (many) and that being right with God.

Matthew 19:3-9 speaks about divorce. Jesus Christ shows that God never wanted man (or woman) to divorce. The same is true with polygamy. God does not want a man to have more than one wife. Jesus said that a man shall leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh. Jesus spoke of one man and one woman marrying. He said that marriage is made up of one man and one woman. The two make one flesh. When a man has more than one wife he is sinning. God hates sin.


If we are to go by the submisisons above.......

That is living within the provision of the bible, you may need to do restitution.
To restitute you need to separate from your second wife. Because, in the face of the bible your first wife is the one acceptable in the sight of God.
I know this will be very difficult, but you may need to take the step. By taking your wives to your new church, let them both listen to the word of God. And, gradually you explain to them the need for the change.
You may involve your pastor and the church leadership. They will give you the proper guidance.

Thank you for your thoughtful answer. Let's tell the world that we are Christians and we know what we're doing. God bless you.

Talk2nanro:
writing long jargon does not make you deviate from the part of ignorance, you have no knowledge of the bible. just keep quiet and listen

Can you show your un-ignorance by writing something meaningful? You have the freedom to disagree with me, but have the right to be respectful. Or are you one of those NOMINAL christians who accepts anything and believes anything goes?

folks4luv:
I completely agree with ur point but I have a question. if a man in a polygamous marriage becomes born again, let's say he has 3 wives and they all have children for him, now, if he put the two away after marrying them traditionally, what happens to the women? are they free to marry again without ending up as adulterers because that is what Jesus called a divorced woman who chose to remarry. should we say the man has technically destroyed the lives of the two women he later dumped cause of his new faith? what should we call the man? or maybe the women can go ahead and remarry without being called adulterers since the man wrongly married them.
sorry my question wasn't properly constructed, hope u will understand my point.

Wow! I love this thinking. Your questions are thought provoking. Before I answer your questions, see the answer to one of my quoters....

phillip001:
My questions are,
1) If you put away because of adultery so you can re-marry abi.
2)Matthew 19:is about Marriage and Divorce,not polygamy.
3)What is one finds out that one's partner is impotent or does not a womb,what will be the solution?
4)What about domestic violence to point of death.

1. God doesn't like putting away of any sort. Matthew 19 vs 8 says, He saith unto them, Moses BECAUSE OF THE HARDNESS OF YOUR HEART suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

2. I hear you, but consider this in Proverbs 28 vs 18, it says, He that covereth his sin (adultery, in this case) shall not prosper: but whoso CONFESSETH and FORSAKETH (forsake here means doing away with the sin, which is adultery here) them shall have mercy. Now, let me clarify. Doing away with them, not having sex with them does not mean you cannot cater for them. You just let them know that they are not your wives again, except the first one, but you'll cater for them and their children, and that they can even marry if they wish. But performing the role of your wife, MBA, that's not possible.

3. Wait, how did they marry? Where did they marry? Consider this in John 14 vs 26, But the Comforter, which is the HOLY GHOST, whom the Father will send in my name, HE SHALL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS [including that the wife you want to marry does not have a womb or your husband is impotent. Failure to believe and you're OYO], and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

4. In the case of domestic violence, you can stay away from your husband or wife BUT NOT DIVORCE her. Let me tell you, Jesus said even if you put your wife away because of fornication, it is still THE HARDNESS OF YOUR HEART. You can only stay away and pray that God change your husband or wife. Anything except that and you'll sell your birthright, which is your salvation.

Paul the Apostle said you can divorce, but not remarry. I ASK YOU, IF YOU DIVORCE, CAN YOU STAY THAT WAY 'TIL YOUR PARTNER DIES? I guess not. So, to be on the safer side, you can stay away from your violent husband or wife, if you see that your life is in danger. God can still change him or her.

I Corinthians 7 says,

10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

11 But and if she depart, LET HER REMAIN UNMARRIED, or BE RECONCILED TO HER HUSBAND: and let not the husband PUT AWAY HIS WIFE.

[END OF QUOTE]

Now beack to your question. The second and so-forth wives were never recognized, my friend. They were never married. They saw a married man, decided they can say a rubbish vow, and committed adultery with him. The rule remains, once taken, TILL DEATH DO YOU PART.

The put away wives (note I didn't say divorced. They were never married) can marry their own husband. REGARDLESS OF WHAT PEOPLE SAY.

If you still have questions, please don't hesitate to mention me.

coolniyi99:
Matthew 19 vs 9, And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, COMMITTED ADULTERY: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery


Understand this, this verse talks about when a man leaves his first wife completely then marries another. He commits adultery.
But if he still chooses to stay with the first even though he marries another he hasn't committed adultery

1 Corinthians 7 vs 2 says, Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let EVERY MAN have his own WIFE [not wives], and let every woman have have her own HUSBAND [not husbands].

My friend, do you know the meaning of singular and plural? WIFE means singular. WIVES means plural. So is HUSBAND singular and HUSBANDS plural. So, you mean you can delibrately break this rule, right? and gather your OWN WIVES?

IyfeNamikaze:
you are trying to be smart by half

"About having multiple wifes, hear it from the horses' mouth, in Matthew 19 vs 9, And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, EXCEPT it be for FORNICATION and shall marry another, committed adulatory and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery"

this place is crystal clear. According to what is written here, you can divorce your wife is she fornicates. read that place again.

And no where in the bible did God condemn polygamy. stop putting the word upside down!!

This is what I answered one of my quoters:

phillip001:
My questions are,
1) If you put away because of adultery so you can re-marry abi.
2)Matthew 19:is about Marriage and Divorce,not polygamy.
3)What is one finds out that one's partner is impotent or does not a womb,what will be the solution?
4)What about domestic violence to point of death.

1. God doesn't like putting away of any sort. Matthew 19 vs 8 says, He saith unto them, Moses BECAUSE OF THE HARDNESS OF YOUR HEART suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

2. I hear you, but consider this in Proverbs 28 vs 18, it says, He that covereth his sin (adultery, in this case) shall not prosper: but whoso CONFESSETH and FORSAKETH (forsake here means doing away with the sin, which is adultery here) them shall have mercy. Now, let me clarify. Doing away with them, not having sex with them does not mean you cannot cater for them. You just let them know that they are not your wives again, except the first one, but you'll cater for them and their children, and that they can even marry if they wish. But performing the role of your wife, MBA, that's not possible.

3. Wait, how did they marry? Where did they marry? Consider this in John 14 vs 26, But the Comforter, which is the HOLY GHOST, whom the Father will send in my name, HE SHALL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS [including that the wife you want to marry does not have a womb or your husband is impotent. Failure to believe and you're OYO], and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

4. In the case of domestic violence, you can stay away from your husband or wife BUT NOT DIVORCE her. Let me tell you, Jesus said even if you put your wife away because of fornication, it is still THE HARDNESS OF YOUR HEART. You can only stay away and pray that God change your husband or wife. Anything except that and you'll sell your birthright, which is your salvation.

Paul the Apostle said you can divorce, but not remarry. I ASK YOU, IF YOU DIVORCE, CAN YOU STAY THAT WAY 'TIL YOUR PARTNER DIES? I guess not. So, to be on the safer side, you can stay away from your violent husband or wife, if you see that your life is in danger. God can still change him or her.

I Corinthians 7 says,

10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

11 But and if she depart, LET HER REMAIN UNMARRIED, or BE RECONCILED TO HER HUSBAND: and let not the husband PUT AWAY HIS WIFE.

[END OF QUOTE]

[quote author=ojabel post=46801118][/quote]So, what you're saying is, after a man says he's born again, sanctified by the blood of the Lamb, and have made Jesus his master, he can still sleep on the same bed with his many wives and have sex with them abi?

Nowhere in my text did I say not live with. Some of those wives may be old. The man has to cater for them and their children. BUT NOT HAVE SEX WITH THEM. And they are no more his wives.

Blossom023:
Exactly.. I heard pastor Chris is back with his wife o but the media won't carry the news.. No.. It's when something bad happens.. Forgetting that the pastor is also a human.. May God give people understanding of the pattern of Christ.

Don't mind them. I understand what you're saying. Most people that quoted me didn't have anything to say about that.

phillip001:
My questions are,
1) If you put away because of adultery so you can re-marry abi.
2)Matthew 19:is about Marriage and Divorce,not polygamy.
3)What is one finds out that one's partner is impotent or does not a womb,what will be the solution?
4)What about domestic violence to point of death.

1. God doesn't like putting away of any sort. Matthew 19 vs 8 says, He saith unto them, Moses BECAUSE OF THE HARDNESS OF YOUR HEART suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

2. I hear you, but consider this in Proverbs 28 vs 18, it says, He that covereth his sin (adultery, in this case) shall not prosper: but whoso CONFESSETH and FORSAKETH (forsake here means doing away with the sin, which is adultery here) them shall have mercy. Now, let me clarify. Doing away with them, not having sex with them does not mean you cannot cater for them. You just let them know that they are not your wives again, except the first one, but you'll cater for them and their children, and that they can even marry if they wish. But performing the role of your wife, MBA, that's not possible.

3. Wait, how did they marry? Where did they marry? Consider this in John 14 vs 26, But the Comforter, which is the HOLY GHOST, whom the Father will send in my name, HE SHALL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS [including that the wife you want to marry does not have a womb or your husband is impotent. Failure to believe and you're OYO], and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

4. In the case of domestic violence, you can stay away from your husband or wife BUT NOT DIVORCE her. Let me tell you, Jesus said even if you put your wife away because of fornication, it is still THE HARDNESS OF YOUR HEART. You can only stay away and pray that God change your husband or wife. Anything except that and you'll sell your birthright, which is your salvation.

Paul the Apostle said you can divorce, but not remarry. I ASK YOU, IF YOU DIVORCE, CAN YOU STAY THAT WAY 'TIL YOUR PARTNER DIES? I guess not. So, to be on the safer side, you can stay away from your violent husband or wife, if you see that your life is in danger. God can still change him or her.

I Corinthians 7 says,

10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

11 But and if she depart, LET HER REMAIN UNMARRIED, or BE RECONCILED TO HER HUSBAND: and let not the husband PUT AWAY HIS WIFE.

Okay, let me chip in at this point. Among all those replies above me, I haven't seen any that answered it very well. Note that I'm not replying to fight or argue (fact check, if you quote me, I won't reply, except when necessary e.g. answering a thought-provoking question), I'm actually replying to adhere to what the Bible tells me.

Jude 3 says, Beloved when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnest contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

First, someone mentioned that God hates divorce. Here's the verse to back that up: Malachi 2 vs 14-16:

14 Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet yet she is thy companion, and the wife of thine covenant.

15 And did not make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.

16 For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away [of your wife, which is divorce]: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the LORD of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.

Did you notice the part that says God hates putting away? For God to say that, there must be something at stake. Because clearly, in Matthew 5 vs 22, But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgement...

Even hating your fellow human isn't allowed. But you should also notice that God didn't say I hate the person. He simply hates putting away.

About having multiple wifes, hear it from the horses' mouth, in Matthew 19 vs 9, And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, COMMITTED ADULTERY: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.


Now, I read some comments that said what if a whole village got saved and were extremely polygamous? Well, you have to know that the God we serve, the Alpha and the Omega does not change (Malachi 3 vs 6, For I am the LORD, I change not...) and even if the whole world says they don't want to change, he won't change his words.

Many people think we just go to church, sing, carry Bible on Sundays, wear suit and tie, and say "God bless you" on our way to church. For your information, it's more than that. If you can't live with that simple fact, then I'm afraid you're not yet serious.

In the Biblical sense, a first wife is only recognized. Think about this for a moment. When someone is getting married, the vow says, Till Death Do You Part. What do you think that means?

Only after a partner dies does the other partner has the freedom... TO MARRY ANOTHER PERSON... TO HAVE SEX WITH ANOTHER PERSON. Chikena.

So, if death hasn't done them apart, forget about it.

Now, somebody says what if they were married the same day. You mean, simultaneously? As in, each wife stands at the altar and were consenting to the marriage? That's obvious now. The first woman that takes the vow is the real wife.


Some people still don't give a hoot about what I wrote, but they are the first that will carry the news when the likes of Pastor Kumuyi, of all people, makes a mistake (God forbid!)

They'll go, "Ah! Come and see! The holy-holy preacher has done something. He was caught redhanded."

Now the man decides to remarry because death has parted the union he has with his former wife and these same people groaned, "Ah-an! What is it with this pastor sef? Na only him waka come?"

People ehn!

vikaosi:
Thanks for replying. I have tried several times, it shows that I've already applied. Do they contact through phone number

I have reasons to NOT think so.

dagok:
Please for we that have registered before... And I didn't get Acknowledgement message since Sunday, so I log in to the website now to register again... it tell me that have registered before and I didn't received the Acknowledgement message since Sunday... And I didn't received the Acknowledgement message

Why not be patient, biko?

vikaosi:
I applied for someone, the issue is that the email I used is not correct, what do I do plsssss

Re-apply with a correct email address because you can only be contacted by email and phone... Oh, yes, if the number is correct, I think you may give yourself the benefit of doubt, but I'll advise you to re-apply.

Nafizzey:
there's no where to upload credentials on using that link.. or has the site been modified in such away that no longer need to upload credentials again?

Are you sure you're logged in? When I clicked that link, it showed me something like this...

Hello, everyone. Yes, the Npower registration portal has been simplified. When you're logged in, visit [url]portal.npower.gov.ng/apply/[/url] to register. Immediately after you register, you'll have the opportunity to upload your documents.

OVI75:
Tnx Fr Opening Ds Thread I Had Tried To No Avail Alws Getin Stuck With Nysc Calk Up No.

Note: I Am Applying Fr Nbuild,with OND Ds is What Dey Show Me On Screen .

Abeg, how you take open this your form? I tried opening mine but it took me to an error page.

Hello, everybody. I went to the Npower portal, registered, but when I clicked on the "apply" button... I was taken to an error page. Please, what do I do? I want to apply for Npower Knowledge.

Hmmmmm...

Many people justifying neutrality. I laugh. I shake my head.

Those people you called the born-again Christians, OP, are waiting for something and somebody. And when it comes, it's not going to be quiet at all.

1The. 4:13 says, "I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope."

That means, the real Christians you're talking about have one hope somewhere. I ask you, OP, and everybody supporting living life to its fullest and working hard alone, what hope do you have after death?

For we Christians, our hope is, as 1John 3:1-2 says, "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth not us, because it knew him [Jesus] not. ² Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

OUR HOPE, put simply, is to "see him." We're not waiting for "Sai Buhari" to come and deliver Nigeria from corruption and wickednes and looting and many other atrocious acts in this country. Why? Because not matter how anybody operates the country or even any country in the world, it can not be as better as the Kingdom coming (Rev. 21:1 says, And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.)

So, work hard, my friend. Pile up money in the bank. Build huge mansions. And forget to tend to your soul.

You'd be surprised how fast it will "passed away."

On the issue of condeming the other religion or not, yes, that's how people see it. But it's more like pity. And not for those outside alone; many who are inside are not part of us. They're just bench warmers.

Let me take JIHAD as an example. Have you seen any Christian group publicly announce to the whole world that they are Christians and they must convert everybody to Christianity? You know the answer. But when you talk about that to the muslims, they argue that they're not muslims. Why wouldn't you see any Christian insurgent group? Simple: the time of the Phillistines, and the Amalekites, and the Hittites, and co., are gone. We're not fighting to take any promise land now. Instead, we're fighting to get into the promised above.

I digress.