SIRTee15:


Ohyoudidn't so now admit Jesus has a divine nature. Abi is this not what I'm reading from U.

Oh my God what a glorious day to behold.

I've always known U are too intelligent not to see the truth when faced with one.

TenQ our friend is gradually gravitating towards the truth.
Abutwins let me educate U so that U too will see the truth. I apologise if I detail your thread. Forget about bible manuscripts, Jesus is divine- that is the truth.

Fellow Muslims, we may argue back and forth on whether Jesus is God. But only a very dishonest Muslim will deny the divinity of Christ, It's just too obvious.

Cc Qasim expanse antiChristian don't be left out in this truth seeking revelation.

Shalom

Apology Accepted!

Jesus is not divine but human!
“My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed. John 20:28
This is simply an exclamation as he was surprised from the context!
Thomas referred to Jesus as Lord (or master) and God (Theos). Theos was used for Satan in 2 Cor 4:4 and for a Roman Governor in Acts 12:22 and they were not called ''God".

At that time Thomas spoke there was no knowledge of trinity then! Jesus was believed to be a Prophet by the disciples!
In Luke 29 from 18 we read:
One of them, named Cleopas, asked Him, “Are You the only visitor to Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in recent days?” “What things?” He asked. “The events involving Jesus of Nazareth,” they answered. “This man was a prophet, powerful in speech and action before God and all the people.

Also the verse did not say Jesus you are my God and my Lord? It is an exclamation! Anyone can be master or god!

Jesus had a God who is our God!
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

Jesus worships his God!
Luke 6:12
One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.

Matthew 14:23
After he (Jesus) had sent them away, he went up on the mountain by himself to pray.

Luke 5:16
Yet he (Jesus) frequently withdrew to the wilderness to pray.

Matthew 26:39
Going a little farther, he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

Abu vs Christian 1 and 2 Part 1 Continued

Christian 1 – So, I had to ask our Pastor about our last discussions and he said you are being controlled by the demons!

Abu – Do I look like someone who is demonic to you? (Laughing)

Christian 2 – So which Bible translation depicts what was by written by the disciples of Jesus?

Abu – None!

Christian 1 – Why none? There must be one. I read many manuscripts had been discovered recently!

Abu - Yes, many manuscripts was truly discovered but they all still remain copy of copies. The Original manuscript of the New Testament is Lost. And these manuscripts cannot represent the originals! If a new earlier manuscript is discovered tomorrow this your Bible will be changed further!

Christian 2 – So why is the KJV filled with defects? What defects and why the defects?

Abu – Ah! This is too much o! But you can check the Preface to the RSV and read it in its entirety!
The assertion of the KJV having defects was made by Bible scholars not Muslims!

This is some of what the Preface to RSV mentions:
The King James Version of the New Testament was based upon a Greek text that was marred by mistakes, containing the accumulated errors of fourteen centuries of manuscript copying. It was essentially the Greek text of the New Testament as edited by Beza, 1589, who closely followed that published by Erasmus, 1516-1535, which was based upon a few medieval manuscripts. The earliest and best of the eight manuscripts which Erasmus consulted was from the tenth century, and he made the least use of it because it differed most from the commonly received text; Beza had access to two manuscripts of great value, dating from the fifth and sixth centuries, but he made very little use of them because they differed from the text published by Erasmus.

Christian 1 – I am perplexed as to why the Bible translations can be marred by errors.
Christian 2 - I am too. It goes against all what I believe about the scriptures! The scriptures should be flawless!

Abu – As you can see it is not from the Qur’an. Your Bible scholars made the claims.
So, Let’s move to another topic! Shall we?

Christian 2 - I still can’t believe this one….
Christian 1 – What do you still wish to discuss?

Abu - Trinity!

Christian 1 – What about it?

Abu – Is it Biblical?

Christian 2 – Of course it is. I have known this since I was small.

Abu – Can you explain trinity as coherently and logically possible as you can?

Christian 1 – Where are you going with this?

Abu – It is simple. There’s no evidence that logically supports trinity in the Bible! All you have are dubious verses and reading trinity into some verses!

Christian 1: Dubious verses like the one you mentioned from John the other time from 1 John 5:7-8
KJV: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Abu – Yeah, the Look for that same verse in the RSV and you'll see that it is missing in modern translations as it is not found in early Greek manuscripts.

Christian 2 – That’s true. We got that before. But what about the Old Testament where God said Let us create man in our image and likeness? The “US” is Plural.

Abu - Yes, the “US” is plural I agree. But how can the number in your “Us theory’’ be three and not one thousand or seventy?

Christian 1 and 2 - Hmmm! You are right! Without reading meaning into that "Us" we can't get 3 indeed!

Christian 1 What about Matthew 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

Abu – Some Bible scholars and theologians have raised concerns about the authenticity of Matthew 28:19 for the following reasons:

- Manuscript Variants: Some early manuscripts of the Gospel of Matthew do not include the Trinitarian formula found in Matthew 28:19. This raises questions about the originality of the verse and whether it was added later by scribes.

- Historical Context: Critics argue that the concept of the Trinity as expressed in Matthew 28:19 may have developed later in Christian theology, and therefore, the verse could be a later addition to the text to support this doctrine.

- Linguistic Analysis: Some scholars suggest that the language and style of Matthew 28:19 differ from the rest of the Gospel of Matthew, leading to doubts about its originality.

Christian 2 Okay can you tell us briefly about the concept of salvation in Islam?

Abu It is simple. Believe in Allah and follow His Messenger with regards to the Qur’an and Sunnah!
Muslim may sin but Allah accepts the repentance of the sinner when s/he repents!

This is similar to Ezekiel 18:19-23
Yet you may ask, ‘Why shouldn’t the son bear the iniquity of his father?’ Since the son has done what is just and right, carefully observing all My statutes, he will surely live. The soul who sins is the one who will die. A son will not bear the iniquity of his father, and a father will not bear the iniquity of his son. The righteousness of the righteous man will fall upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked man will fall upon him.
But if the wicked man turns from all the sins he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die. None of the transgressions he has committed will be held against him. Because of the righteousness he has practiced, he will live. Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Lord GOD. Wouldn’t I prefer that he turn from his ways and live?

I think we should continue some other time!
Do you agree we still can’t find one concrete evidence for Trinity in the Bible?

Christian 2 – Let’s continue next time with trinity! We’ll be prepared then!

Abu Alright. Also include the nature of Jesus and the Holy Spirit, are they also Coequal, Coeternal God(s) with the Father?

Christian 1 and 2 – Aaahh!

Abu (Smiles) Bye!

David had already been married to at least seven known-named wives. (1 Samuel 18:27, 25:42-43, 2 Samuel 3:2-5.)

Then God gave him Saul's wives after Saul
"And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things."
2 Samuel 12:8.

So how many wives did David have in total?
Is God for or against Polygamy?

If Polygamy is right for David how is it bad for others?
"Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite. "1 Kings 15:5.

HISSCRIBE1995

Villa12:
don't mind @AbuTwins, he's just an hypocrite. Everybody knows how Tinubu join hand together to frustrate Jonathan government. How Tinubu supported Buhari a known colossal failure for good 8 years because of his ambition. He thinks he's more Nigerian than others.

Yes, Tinubu was wrong to have done some of the things he did back then!
But that doesn't make him wrong now!

FxMasterz:


No MAN can die or be punished for another person's sin. That's why GOD has to do it Himself on man's behalf. He had to do it as MAN because only MAN can legally represent MAN in judgement.

You mean God couldn't have just forgive anyone except He kills himself?

The Soul who Sins will Die Ezekiel 18:19-23
Yet you may ask, ‘Why shouldn’t the son bear the iniquity of his father?’ Since the son has done what is just and right, carefully observing all My statutes, he will surely live. The soul who sins is the one who will die. A son will not bear the iniquity of his father, and a father will not bear the iniquity of his son. The righteousness of the righteous man will fall upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked man will fall upon him.

But if the wicked man turns from all the sins he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die. None of the transgressions he has committed will be held against him. Because of the righteousness he has practiced, he will live. Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Lord GOD. Wouldn’t I prefer that he turn from his ways and live?

This is also the law of Islam!
God does not die!
God is not born!
God is just one!
God does not become human!

SIRTee15:


Remove the log in your eyes b4 seeking the pin in another eye.
U cannot be talking of variation in biblical manuscripts when U have a BIGGER PROBLEM IN YOUR KORAN.

The miracle of the Koran is that it's well preserved right from the time of Muhammed but investigation into this claim shows the Koran was disjointed with multiple translations some of which are permanently lost.

Tell me where is the verse of breastfeeding male adults in your Koran today. Where has it gone?

Evidence for Breastfeeding Adults in the Quran
Sunan an-Nasa'i 3307
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
"One of the things that Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed" -(one of the narrators) Al-Harith said (in his narration): "One of the things that were revealed in the Qur'an"- "was that ten known breast-feedings make marriage prohibited, then that was abrogated and changed to five known breast-feedings. Then the Messenger of Allah passed away when this was something that was still being recited in the Qur'an."

Did you see that Breastfeeding Adults was recited in the Quran and suddenly it disappeared?

For the last time I am warning you to create your thread on that if you can't discuss on the OP!
Stop derailing the thread once again!

SIRTee15:


Its a big lie that the Koran is well preserved either written or memory.

Even Muhammed's companions disagreed on the verses of the Koran, that's why uthman was forced to unify the koran.

The verse of son of Adam and seven valleys used to be recited during the time of Muhammed but has disappeared from the koran.

The verse of female breastfeeding and stoning of women used to recited during the time Muhammed and even enacted as punishment but it's lost and no longer in the Koran.
Aisha said a goat came into the house and ate the paper it was written on.

Abdullah bin 'Umar reportedly said: "Let none of you say, 'I have memorised the whole of the Qur'an.' How does he know what all of it is? Much of the Qur'an is lost. Let him say instead, 'I have memorised what's left of the Qur'an.'" (Jalal ad-Deen as-Suyuti, al-Itiqan fee 'Uloom al-Qur'an, Cairo: al-Halabi, 1935, vol. 2, p. 25)

Ibn Abbas reported ... [Umar said] Allah sent Muhammad (saw) with the Truth and revealed the Holy Book to him, and among what Allah revealed, was the verse of the Rajam (stoning for adultery) and we did recite this verse and understood and memorized it. Allah's Apostle did carry out the punishment of stoning and so did we after him. I am afraid that after a long time has passed, somebody will say, "By Allah, we do not find the verse of the Rajam in Allah's Book" (Sahih al-Bukhari 6830; vol 8, bk 82, no 817)

Now the question is where is the verse of stoning for adultery in today's Koran?

Whether it is a lie or not you can open your thread on that and tag me!
If you have nothing else about the OP then keep mute!

Abeg i no won report anyone to the mods for derailing thread today!

Whenever you are cornered in your scriptures you will quickly move to the Qur'an as if you understand the Qur'an more than your Bible!

The Bible that you are ignorant about!

Aemmyjah:


Jesus Apostles were men but did he look down on women like his contemporaries ?

He did once! He called the Canaanite woman and his tribe dog!

No... The only person he specifically told he was the Messiah was a woman, a woman who lived immorally...
The first set of people he spoke with after his ascension were women

Where are verses for Prophetess in your Bible?

Was 9 year old Aisha a prophetess?
How would a sane man [/b]marry a 6 year old?

She was never a Prophetess! And there is no Prophetess in Islam!
This is why you are being banned! If i report your [b]sane man to the mods now you'll be complaining to Max!

A sane man marries women in whatever law is applicable among their tribe in so far as the Parents agreed to it!
And secondly show me a biblical verse that states the age of a bride or go against marrying infants?

Go to Islamic countries and watch their women conference, you will not see a single woman

Women don't need to be there because woman is the glory of man. 1 Corinthians 11:7
Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. Ephesians 5:22

BeigJawnson:


Lol, what brings the blasphemy into this...

Are you saying you don't understand the meaning of figurative statement and literal meanings? See, Yusuff Adepoju has been doing his comparatives yet Christianity never died. So you are still a learner. Zakir naik is also on mission too, Christianity never died...
One thing I know for sure, if you keep pestering the Christians for what they know and believe, you will end up as a Christian. I don't know you in person but God knows you.

Diversion!
No one is calling for Christianity to die! That's the reason hell was created to house many!
Many are seeing the light!

Steep:

Jesus Christ is the Word of God he exercise the authority and fulfills the plan of the father, he is God. All the plans and intentions of the father are fulfilled by the Son, He is God revealing himself. As the word of God he is the revelation of the father's power, authority and glory, he is also the express image of God meaning. He is God who became visible.

Jesus fulfilled the father's plan to redeem mankind by his sacrifice on the cross, in Revelation he is fulfills the father's will to appear and execute Judgment. He is God coming to execute his judgment on the world.

Quote verses to buttress your assertion!

Where did Jesus called himself "logos" (word)?

All this Sunday School theories no dey gel at all!

MaxInDHouse:


Jesus is the chosen servant among Jehovah's Witnesses as mentioned in the below verse:

“You are my WITNESSES,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my SERVANT whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I am the same One. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none...." Isaiah 43:10

All worshipers of the true God are His WITNESSES including Jesus His chosen one or Messiah! Revelations 1:5

Are you joking?

Where was Muslims mentioned before your Quran was written?

The name Jesus means Jehovah is Salvation it can't be found before his birth nah what he's saying is exactly the same thing you claimed: he has come to fulfill the laws of the God of Israel!

There were mentioned many times but you won't understand it.
Where do you want me to show you? From the corrupted Bible that even translates name to English? Of what use are the name translations to English?

If your name is Isho in Aramaic why can't they leave it so in other languages? They will keep translating it till it becomes latinised then "English"!

MaxInDHouse:


Please what exactly are you trying to say?

Paul's word or what Churchgoers told you?

Well the Holy Spirit is not a person from my own understanding it's God's active force used in accomplishing whatever God purposed.
You have a physical body with different parts used for various purposes right? That's what the Holy Spirit is not a separate person.

So when dealing with Churchgoers try to keep me out of your arguments with them we and them aren't on the same page regarding what we preach, teach and practice!

Of course sir the OP is not for JWs. You don't believe in the Trinity! Nor that the father, son and Spirit are coequal, coeternal with distinct personalities!

Na those Christians wey believe such i dey ask!

Lukuluku69:


Sir, you are welcome to what I call "Tortured Interpretations"

You can't even finish the Concoctions!

Every single one of them have a different interpretation to same verses.

Engaging them deserves Gold Medals.

I tire o! From the JW who are against trinity to other who believe in trinity!

Even the identity of Jesus and the Spirit is not clear!

HISSCRIBE1995:

HE FUNNY FOR YOUR EAR TO ABI?

U WILL TELL ME HOW PARABLE IS EQUAL TO REAL EXAMPLE THAT MUHAMMAD GAVE BY MARRYING MORE THAN TEN WIVES.

U ARE NOT EVEN AFRAID TO QUOTE A PARABLE TO EQUAL MUHAMMAD'S LIFE.

U KNOW THAT IT IS LIKE BLASPHEMING MUHAMMAD IN SOME MUSLIMS EYES ; AND THEY COULD KILL U FOR THAT .

A YOUNG BOY WHO MAKES TEA WAS ONCE KILLED FOR SAYING EVEN MUHAMMAD COULD NOT HAVE MADE A TEA FASTER IF HE WERE ALIVE AFTER THE BUYER COMPLAINED OF HIM BEEN SLOW.

YOU JUST BLASPHEMED JESUS FOR SAYING HE MARRIED FIVE AND NOBODY WOUKD KILL U EVEN IF U SAID IT PUBLICY ;NOT EVEN YOUR FELLOW MUSLIMS WOULD KILL U FOR BLASPHEMING JESUS EVEN THOUGH U GUYS CLAIM TO HONOUR HIM IN ISLAM.

DO YOU KNOW WHY MUSLIMS MOST TIME FIND IT HARD TO KILL THOSE WHO BLASPHEME JESUS ?

IT IS BECAUSE HE NEVER LEFT SUCH AN EXAMPLE
UNLIKE MUHAMMAD WHO DID SO.

GOD GAVE DAVID MANY WIVES MORE THAN MUHAMMED IN YOUR BIBLE
"And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things."
2 Samuel 12:8.

Your God wanted to even give him more! Olodo!

HISSCRIBE1995:

I LIKE HOW U JUST CONFESS TO THIS ; AND MAY BE GRADUALY U WOULD BEGAN TO SEE THE EVIL IN ISLAM.

WETHER THEY ARE DISOBEDIENT TO PAUL OR NOT NOBODY GOES AROUND LOOKING FOR THEM TO KILL

UNLIKE YOUR RELIGION WHERE SOME MUSLIMS WERE LOOKING FORWARD TO DEALING WITH A WOMAN FOR DANCING IN MECCA.

EVEN IF SHE IS YOUR OWN DAUGHTER THEY CAN KILL HER.
IMAGINE YOUR FELLOW MUSLIMS WITH WHOM U PRAY TO ALLAH KILLING YOUR DAUGHTER WHOM U LOVE FOR MERELY DANCING ?

EVEN IF SHE DID WRONG IS THAT ENOUGH REASON TO KILL HER ?

WHERE IS THE SPIRIT OF FORGIVENES IN ISLAM?

I WILL PLAY A PART IN THE LIBERATIM OF MUSLIMS FROM ISLAM.
THERE ARE MANY NICE MUSLIMS OUT THERE BUT ISLAM IS CORUPTING THEIR HEARTS.

Whatever evil Muslim do is from Islam but whatever Christians or others do is because they are crazy!

Are Christians sinless? I thought Paul said All man have sinned!

So why are you claiming saint?

Even your God have sword and he said he would kill!

“You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword,” says the LORD.

Aemmyjah:


Wrong

Be clear! What exactly is wrong?

What we have today is translations
It is the scriptures itself that is inspired and not any translation or Bible format

The original books or copies of the Bibles are not available but we have copies of copies which are very much available today.
King James is not the original Bible but one of the most popular known English Bible and examination of the manuscripts help us to see that there are several additions, subtractions too and many translations have removed.

The error of one translation does not invalidate the entire texts...
The Apocryphal were not added to the scriptures and rightly so... Their authors are unknown and they were written long after the death of the Apostles. How are they verifiable accounts?

When the originals of a document is lost and the earliest copies of copies of the New Testament available are from mid 4th-5th Centuries?
That's how many years after Jesus?

AbuTwins
Is it reasonable for anyone to reject the account written by Jesus contemporaries about Jesus Christ, his role and what he did, but to believe that written by Muhammad who lived about 600 years later as accurate?

As much as possible i don't entertain derailing my thread. You can create your thread on any Islamic clarification you need and i will oblige you when I have time. And if you become abusive I'll either report you or leave you alone!

1. How sure are you that any of Jesus's contemporaries wrote any of the codex?
2. The Qur'an has been proven to be memorized by millions up till today! So Preservation is easy from generation to generation! This can't be said of the Bible!

Codex Sinaiticus: Dated to the mid-4th century, it contains the full New Testament along with parts of the Old Testament.
Codex Vaticanus: Also from the 4th century, it includes most of the New Testament.
Codex Alexandrinus: From the 5th century, it contains the entire New Testament.
Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus: From the 5th century, it contains parts of the New Testament that had been overwritten by the writings of St. Ephrem.

HISSCRIBE1995:
"ABUTWINS" PLEASE BE CAREFUL NEXT TIME WITH YOUR UTTERANCES SO THAT THIS WONT BEFALL FROM your brothers

I am careful just as your God's people were back then!
Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

HISSCRIBE1995:
"ABUTWINS" REMEMBER WHAT I TOLD U

Na Bible talk am when Jesus was still brutal!

Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

TenQ:

As if Quran translations are the same!
Many will translate obvious lies not in Arabic

Example:

Quran 19:71
وَإِن مِّنكُمۡ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَاۚ كَانَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ حَتۡمٗا مَّقۡضِيّٗا
There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord


SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
And there is none of you except he will come to it. This is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed.
YUSUF ALI
Not one of you but will pass over it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished.
ABUL ALA MAUDUDI
There is not one of you but shall pass by Hell. This is a decree which your Lord will fulfil.
MUHSIN KHAN
There is not one of you but will pass over it (Hell); this is with your Lord; a Decree which must be accomplished.
PICKTHALL
There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord.
DR. GHALI
And decidedly not one of you (there is), except that he will go (herded) down to it; that, for your Lord, has been a thing decreed, a must.
ABDEL HALEEM
but every single one of you will approach it, a decree from your Lord which must be fulfilled.


All of them hiding the fact that Muslims will ALL enter Hell Fire as a necessity from Allah!

I am not here to discuss the Qur'an! You have been creating your threads on that!
If you can't discuss the OP!
Do get out or I'll report to the mod as regards rule 1 and rule 2 for any of your abuse!
I no get time to waste on diversion!

SpecialAdviser:

How can they be sensible when they have LAGOS, access to sea, and good farmland but chose to insult someone calling for a separation from the violent north, where our major budget is used to curtail their excesse?

Mbanu, sense no dey there

Why i love the Yorubas is their acceptance and accommodation of the other tribes!
No other tribe can be that cool!
The Yorubas are almost the only tribe keeping Nigeria together.

Aemmyjah:


Jesus had and still has both male and female disciples before and after his ascension...
Just that none of the Apostles were women

You agree he never appointed any female disciples among the 12? No slot for them! It is 0% women! It is not a mistake by Jesus!

There are also prophetess in the Bible like Deborah and one other I can't recall her name. Maybe there's others

Quote Biblical verse that states Deborah and the others were Prophetess?

The Bible mentions several women that we can learn from their fine examples such as generosity, discernment, faith in God, etc ..

At a point, God expressee his displeasure with how women were being indiscriminately divorced...

Women , including married women were not taught to be subject to physical abuse or torture or 'spanking' 😉

The Qur'an and Sunnah too mentions several women from Mary, Pharaoh's wife, the Prophet's wives and many others we can emulate too. They were not Prophetesses.

Stop the lies that God expresses his displeasure with how women is being treated. The law was brutal on them!

As regards beating one's wife:

Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“and live with them honourably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allah brings through it a great deal of good.” [al-Nisa 4:19]

Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise” [al-Baqarah 2:228]

This verse indicates that the man has additional rights, commensurate with his role as protector and maintainer and his responsibility of spending (on his wife) etc.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) enjoined kind treatment and honouring of one’s wife, and he described the best of people as those who are best to their wives. He said: “The best of you are those who are the best to their wives, and I am the best of you to my wives.” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 3895; Ibn Majah, 1977; classed as sahih by al-Albani in Sahih al-Tirmidhi)

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) spoke a beautiful word concerning kind treatment of one’s wife, stating that when the husband feeds his wife and puts a morsel of food in her mouth, he earns the reward of doing an act of charity. He said, “You never spend anything but you will be rewarded for it, even the morsel of food that you lift to your wife’s mouth.” (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 6352; Muslim, 1628)

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Fear Allah with regard to women, for you have taken them as a trust from Allah and intimacy with them has become permissible to you by the words of Allah. Your right over them is that they should not allow anyone to sit on your furniture whom you dislike; if they do that then hit them but not in a harsh manner. And their right over you is that you should provide for them and clothe them on a reasonable basis.” Narrated by Muslim, 1218.
What is meant by “they should not allow anyone to sit on your furniture whom you dislike” is that they should not allow anyone whom you dislike to enter your houses, whether the person disliked is a man or a woman, or any of the woman’s mahrams [close relatives to whom marriage is forbidden]. The prohibition includes all of them. (From the words of al-Nawawi)

The hadith may be understood as meaning that a man has the right to hit his wife, in a manner that is not harsh and does not cause injury if there is a reason for that, such as her going against his wishes or disobeying him.

This is like the verse in which Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“As to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great” [al-Nisa 4:34]

If a woman rebels against her husband and disobeys his commands, then he should follow this method of admonishing her, forsaking her in bed and hitting her. Hitting is subject to the condition that it should not be harsh or cause injury.

Christistruth00:


We hear the roads Dr Ngige built in 2005 in Anambra are still being used

How come this one no reach 2 Weeks?

Ngige did Road?

All roads in Anambra were build by Obidients! Even till tomorrow!

Villa12:
keep disgracing your ancestor here no be prayer make America great o. The prayer wey your forefathers don dey do since 1960 where e don carry us go? Wake up guy. You're not more Nigerian than others. You can't claim you love Nigeria more than others. Supporting your government when they've failed in almost every area of governance is not patriotism but foolishness.

You should love the masses more than your government because your government can afford just anything including dual citizenship but the masses don't have food to eat

I don't revolt against government!
I don't abuse government!
I support the government!
I can critic the government policies constructively and not destructively like you guys!
We can't go the Libya and Sudan way!

Emusan:


No! That is the scriptural truth not my selection.

Scriptural truth or your theological position?

The Law means Moses' writings and the prophets means what the prophets write about Him.

What did the Prophets (Plural) wrote about him (Jesus) specifically and contextually anywhere in the Old Testament?

I just gave you three instances.

Why didn't you mention how Jesus avoided to use the law when the adulteress woman was brought to him?

He fulfilled the Prophets for instance Isaiah 42

1. As far as I know, Isaiah 42 does not mention Jesus by name!
2. It does not even mention God coming to become man or God's son!
3. Isaiah 42 mentioned the characteristics of one God's servant not God's son nor God becoming man!

He even read it in their synagogue and said at the end "this day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears" - Luke 4:17-21

How is Jesus God's servant again?
He is God became man!
He is God!
He is God's servant again?

And how is the Isaiah 42 verses exactly the same in Luke 4:17-21?

Isaiah 42:1-3
Here is My Servant, whom I uphold, My Chosen One, in whom My soul delights. I will put My Spirit on Him, and He will bring justice to the nations. He will not cry out or raise His voice, nor make His voice heard in the streets.
A bruised reed He will not break and a smoldering wick He will not extinguish; He will faithfully bring forth justice.…

Luke 4:17
The Spirit of the Lord is on Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”…

SIRTee15:


Regarding Jesus, first go and learn about christology then we can discuss earthly Jesus who is actually God in flesh and NOT physically God.
Jesus has a human soul and is fully human. He wasn't pretending to be human.

Where is Christology in the Bible? Show me where to read it? I agree he has a human soul and body! He is human not in any way divine/God!

However Jesus disciples confirmed Jesus Christ knew all things despite being human.

John 29 Then Jesus’ disciples said, “Now you are speaking clearly and without figures of speech. 30 Now we can see that you know all things and that you do not even need to have anyone ask you questions. This makes us believe that you came from God.”

Yes, Jesus knew some things but not of his own power! Moses cross the red sea only with inspiration from Allah!
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. John 5:30


Jesus is not Omniscient!
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Matthew 24:36
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mark 13:12

As for the holy spirit, Jesus never said the spirit of God doesn't know the hour. Did he?
The spirit of God is inseparable from God just like his soul. The spirit of God is the manifestation God's process, thoughts and actions.

That's why David said in psalm 139.7

Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?

This shows the holy spirit is omnipresent just as God, so why would the spirit not be omniscient?

Where are these theories derived from in the Bible?
The father, the son and Spirit is coequal, coeternal with one another yet distinct in personalities?
Jesus didn't mention the Spirit but he did mention ONLY the father and that's enough to exclude the spirit!

Jesus prayed to the Father many times in the Bible!
Did he ever pray to the spirit on its own?
He said he would send the Spirit... which means the spirit is like a messenger and you are equating the messenger to the sender of the message!

I think I should start a thread on this Nicene creed!

This is a lie!

Anything constructed by Obidients and LP will last for 100000000000000000years even with a rain of fire!

May all these devil incarnate that rejoice in the evils happening in Nigeria be disgraced!
May all those against the President of Nigeria be disgraced!
May the naysayers be disgraced!
May the animals who with/without their families live within/outside the zoo be disgraced!

Emusan:


As you rightly said, the LAWS are to be followed (obey).



This is where you people missed it, when you use Jesus's statement: "...I did not come to abolish the laws but to fulfill them" as Jesus didn't change the Laws rather He followed it as well (this you do in other to discard people like Paul writings).

Well, as this translation put it "Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished." - NLT

The Lord Jesus doesn’t abolish the Hebrew Bible, but perfectly fulfills it in his life and teachings. What the Lord Jesus was basically telling the people is that the Hebrew Bible was specifically revealed in such a way so as to find its true meaning and completion in the Messiah’s work and interpretation of it.

Here are few things Jesus fulfilled in the law.

1. Circumcision
2. Sabbath day
3. Dietary

Of course you had to select what pleases you! He was meant to fulfill the law and Prophets!

How did he fulfill the Prophets?

Aemmyjah:
Coming from a religion that teaches that a man can beat his wife
God did not say men should dominate women... He only foretold the sad consequences of sin in human family

These days, the weather is very hot
Yet a religion is forcing it's women to masquerade herself in all black from head to toe...

Bible shows how much women are valued and shows their strengths and discretion
The only person that Jesus revealed his real identity to as Messiah was a woman

You Sabi tell lies o?

How many women did Jesus appoint as deciples?
How many Prophets women exist in the Bible?
Even with all the verses above that gives clear distinct submission to men you're still denying?

MightySparrow:

Many even believe they think for God. What they think God cannot do, He would not. . They think for God. .Such are Muslims and Jehovah's Witnesses. God takes orders from them .

How do you think Muslims think for God?

How do you think Muslims think for their God that's not in their scripture?

You and JW use the same scripture yet have different belief in core creed of trinity and the identity of Jesus and the holy spirit, doesn't that make trinity and the mainstream identity of Jesus and the holy spirit dubious?

SpecialAdviser:
All these muslim countries should be left to sort out their violence biko.

The same reason Nigeria should be broken so that the northern Nigeria will have their own country or even join Chad and Sudan.

I really hope one day, the Yorubas will have their sense intact sha.

Who told you their sense isn't intact?