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That's cute.

[quote author=Beaf!]^
Although this is true medically but it sounds somehow.[/quote]Beaf is alive!!

Wow.. The person I saw in those pix looks so hopeless. Moreover, PhD student no suppose get that much time dey troll 4 NL.

Nairaboi: Those days when your day will be unfinished until you visit nairaland. The days of lefulefu, yeye4life, the real 190, kpolli, jay bees advice, yagbaboy1, deshclone. . . them really plenti and these guys made us lol keep the names coming. . .

I think I remember lefulefu. NL is def not as interesting as it use to be.

I heard this is the latest p-setting strategy. Wishn u luck tho.

Pearlvictory: na vashti no be fashti, or abi na fashola

Thank u jare. I'm used to the Yoruba pronunciation.

Nairaland oo. I've had a good reason to laugh today and debunk the sadness of exams in January and this boring Xmas..

Obama!!! Bad guy.. I wish I could get him to chop some serious knuckle. What's wrong with Michelle? She'd be making a serious mistake here. The danish blonde might just be a perfect replacement for her. Person wey no kuku fine like that.

Women sha, they won't just let a niccur flex.

Reminds me of queen vashti in the Bible. Esther chapter 1. smh

bumfem: It was quite terrific on the Channels TV this morning. Pharm Akintayo,PSN president came in smoking. He actually hit the nail on the head. I never knew the guy was that cerebral.

The man that represent NMA was no match at all. Maope and Chemberlain ended up educating him on who Paramedics are. A high schl boy shouldn't miss those that go by the title 'paramedics'. The man should have saved himself of the embarrassment by allay himself of cheap internet services everywhere. Just google ''paramedics'' it gives u individuals that go by that title. In a bid to make a point, he ended up exposing his ignorance.

Borrowing the word of Pharm Akintayo as he quoted Wilson Churchil ''he that want peace does not prepare for war''
It is clear that the NMA does not want peace in the health sector and so JOHESU will give it everything that it deserves. 2014 shall be a very interesting year.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! Guys.....
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Wooowwww where was I? Pls could u give a summary? Where were they, who else was there? And all. Same to you tho.

Laalamed: Ask ur lecturers. I am not paid to teach u. Better still ask google. I doubt it if u can become a pharmacist. If u qualify as pharmacist,let me know. We can talk then.

Shattap Oga! This is how u reply when u don't av an idea about a subject. When I qualify as a pharmacist, God forbid I roll with the dullards of the medical profession. There are brilliant doctors tho. We av dem on NL(lomaxx, lagusta) and those other ones who give patients advice on the 'medical advice' thread. *spits on him*

Laalamed: Administer drug for hypothetical case? Hypothetical case is to stimulate learning. Just to educate u. I doubt it if u can scale thru pharm school. U got a lot to learn.

I give up on you. Finally! Ur patient needed help, u came crying on NL. Now u shifted it to hypothetical case. I'm def sure u used one of the drugs Joshua prescribed or suggested. Buh shame won't let u admit.

Leave me and pharmacy school al. If such a dull person as u are could finish med school, be rest assured I'll finish pharmacy school. With flying colours.

Pls don't reply this post.

[quote author=adeola_drg]And u that understands the process, explain it to me!! That and the role of a doctor in NAFDAC. If u can't, plss don't reply. I'm tired of u.[/quote]Yes plss! educate me. I'm waiting.

Laalamed: So u have not heard of pharmaceutical physcians? Wake up. U need to learn more. The tb and malaria case scenario,not real life situation. And u guys failed the test. U may ask me why u failed d test i will explain.

What drug did u administer?? Simple.

Laalamed: U must be a student. It seems u do not understand process of drug regulation. If usa fda,a world class regulatory agency, is headed by physcian, who are polluting the air with ur noise. If u know the law, why not sue fg to court for illegal appointment of nafdac boss. From what i learnt so far, physcians are ready take over nafdac so that u can continue cry like babies.

And u that understands the process, explain it to me!! That and the role of a doctor in NAFDAC. If u can't, plss don't reply. I'm tired of u.

Laalamed: May be u a student. What u have described is job of pharmacologist. Physcian, pharmacologist, nutritionist and pharmacist could head nafdac. The present head of usa fda is physcian. I have not heard pharmacists complaining in usa. Nigeria pharmacists and noise pollution-part 1. Edited by olumide akintayo

Pharmacologists do pharmacovigilance? What do they know about analytics of water and food? And yes I'm a student, and uve not been able to reason so far. U're not bright se. I close my case.

Laalamed: See empty headed pharmacist vomiting formalin. I created a clinical scenario of tb patient with malaria and the so called 'consultant pharmacists' recommended jargon. They failed the test. The forum is there. People should go and check. I decided to leave them.These pharmacists are slowpoke,they have no clue of clinical judgement of physcian in selecting drugs for patients and they want to practice clinical pharmacy. Silly people. Fake pharmacists producing fake drugs. Fake pharmcists dispense drugs that kill cynthia. Criminal pharmacists giving bad medical advice to people in nl. Better hold to where u belong: industries and dispensing. Pharmaceutical physcians and scientists are ready to kick u out of industries and pharm technicians out of dispensing pharmacies.i pity u. There is a rope for u to hang in case paul orhii become nafdac boss again.

Lmao.. Well I'm tired of u. Since u av decided not to think. Cynthia's killer could av gotten rohypnol from anywhere. Even those mallams sell it.. with tramadol sef. Our drug distribution system is that bad, those pharmacists were just scape goats of a bad drug system.

On the TB issue, clinical judgement? U must av been high on diazepam this morning. He said he gave u the safest drugs to go with his TB drugs.Okay tell us the drug u eventually gave the patient and u'll be a great hypocrite if u administered any of the drugs Josh mentioned.

And did u say pharmaceutical physicians?? Lmaooooooooooooo. Una never do surgery finish, pple dey run go India, una wan venture into pharmacy. U guys myt just die frustrated.

U or even orhii can like to tell me the test for identity for NaHCO3 antacid powder, or whether gravimetric analysis goes for Barium sulphate or if bromometry goes for a thiosulphate antioxidant.

Who does the pharmacovigilance? Who does the pharmacokinetic tests that show that a drugs in circulation should be withdrawn or banned? Let me stop here, apart from administrative work, let me know how a doctor can function there plss? I'm waiting. Miserable set of people. We won't stomach ur arrogance no more!!!


If u're not a pharmacist, u're not a pharmacist. Pharmacology won't make u one(tell Orhii that). Even nurses do pharmacology, so wats d fuss
PS: NAFDAC is just a diversion tho. Doctors really are pained about CONHESS. smh

Laalamed: In usa, who often head Food and drug administration(FDA)? The present head of Fda is a physcian and pharmacists in usa are not complaining. Are they? If u are too blind to read and learn, see eye pharmacist or self-medicate. Deluded mind. Smh.

U don't know the laws binding the enactment of US FDA do you?

Let me educate u for a while here.In constitution, the laws binding the enactment of nafdac says. The NAFDAC decree 15 of 1979. The law setting up NAFDAC states in Section 9,
sub-section [1] as follows: “there shall be
appointed for the agency by the President,
Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces on the
recommendation of the Minister, a Director General
who shall be a person with good knowledge of
pharmacy, food and drugs.

Obviously any sane person would know that knowledge of drugs there meant analytical not pharmacological. That said how does a doctor fit into this? U must just manoeuvre things and lord the health sector? Use d little brain u av left plllluuuieezz.

aletheia: Chei! So na you be dat pharmacist wey de use chloroquine treat tuberculosis. God don catch you today. Na so una dey prescribe nonsense, dey cause kidney and liver failure dey kill our naija people.


Embryo? Embryo dey inside him mama belle. You no sabi book O. Na illiterate de form say him sabi use big grammar. Na only to dey abuse you fit because wetin I been talk about nurse na true. Abi no be 3 credit una been de use enter School before? Any way I know wetin de worry you. You carry vex sake of say one pre-clinical student wey you been dey eye no gree give you face. At least Nurse Miriam own better pass, she manage date one medical student before that one dump am. You still dey cry in frustration.

Wetin this 1 dey talk?? Ur doctor friend didn't know what drug to treat his TB patient. Mumu cry come meet pharmacist 4 NL. Y e no employ 1 4 hin clinic? I wish joshpharm didn't give u a response that day. He'd av left ur deluded and frustrated self. I pity ur innocent patients tho.

Laalamed: Comments from a pharmacist with hydrocephalic brain. No wonder we have a lot of fake drugs in circulation. Fake pharmacists, fake drugs. Olodo! Dindinrin. Dr paul orhii till 2018. If u do not like it, go and enter lagoon water. slowpoke.

Can u see how dull u r? U're showing the public how dull doctors can be. The issue with fake drug has more to do with laws binding drug distribution and the ibo boys not the pharmacist's expertise. Na pharmacist say make government no intercept imported fake drugs?? Orhii siddon 4 NAFDAC, Wetin e sabi about drug analysis Don't let me slap ur ugly head.

U can like to tell us how many patients have died of ur mistake. Or the ones u forgot a tool in his stomach after surgery . Pls goan upgrade ur skills, y shud Nigerians be running to India for surgery?? If not for the incompetence of doctors here..

Pls greet ur TB patient for me.. Cos if not for a NL pharmacist, u'd av sent the innocent patient to his early grave. Agbaya, alainitiju ara Galatia.

In
marshalling out reasons to establish that
government’s appointment of Dr. Orhii was wrong
headed, PSN wrote:
‘The major area to be regulated in line with the
regulatory mandate of National Agency for Food
and Drugs Administration and Control, NAFDAC,
remains pharmacy, food and drugs. Ironically, the
incumbent Director General cannot legally be
designated a pharmaceutical inspector because the
provisions of Sections 5 and 6 of the Poison and
Pharmacy Act Cap 535 Laws of the Federation of
Nigeria 1990 compels all inspectors to be
registered pharmacists.”
The petition further argues: “Similarly, the
provisions of Sections 9 sub section [2] and [3] of
food and drug makes it obvious that it is only
registered pharmacists and persons who have a
post graduate qualification in drug analysis who
can be designated drug analysts. In same spirit it
is chemists or those who have a post graduate
qualification in food analysis who can be
designated food analyst.”
Seeking to connect the dots, the pharmacists
argued that “the only profession that connects all
the areas is pharmacy” whereas the only
professional able to work knowledgeably in these
areas is the pharmacist. It is evident that all the
anxieties in the air over the NAFDAC chief
executive is heightened because the tenure of Dr.
Orhii is coming to an end and the pharmacists do
not wish to be caught napping again. Their request
on this was clear enough in their petition
document to the Presidency: that Mr. President
“corrects the unlawful appointment of the Director
General, NAFDAC which is not in tandem with
Section 9 [1] of Act 15 of 1993, in the next
dispensation which unfolds in January 2014 by
appointing a registered pharmacist who can meet
the condition precedent in the NAFDAC Act.” Even
as the pharmacists argue passionately on this,
their confidence is boosted by recent accounts of
government’s review and reversal of related
anomalies in similar appointments. Such instances
include the dissolution of the board of the
Pharmacists Council as well as the dissolution and
reconstitution of the Nursing and Midwifery Council
of Nigeria.


Read and learn. U want to be everywhere, boss everybody. *deep sigh*

Laalamed: I think doctor being head of nafdac is giving u headache. If dr paul orhii gets second term,pls go and commit suicide. Law does not say nafdac head must be a pharmacist but must have knowledge of pharmacy and nutrition. If u guys are not ok with that pls go to court and claim victory as usual. Dr paul tills 2018.

I'll let this link do the talking..

swankpharm.com/2013/12/22/nafdac-a-festering-controversy/

Laalamed: slowpoke. Ur comment show that u do not read at all. I am disappointed in u as usual. When will u change?

This dull doctor that couldn't get an antimalarial drug for his TB patient and still won't employ a pharmacist out of pure hate.. Dull doctor, dull pathologist. Yes I said. Long gone is the time every doctor u meet was an intelligent one. We know how u manovre ur way in and out of medical school. So pluuuuueeeeeezzzzz!!!

Incognito Quant: Before we misinform the public and loose focus in this discuss, lets be clear on some issues (some of which I have addressed in previous quotes)
1. who is the head of the medical team? Correct ans: The Doctor
so a senario in which I have a paramedic, an NP, a nurse, a physician assistant and a Physician, who takes charge is the Physician

2. are NPs allowed to prescribe? Correct ans: Yes, but most states in US requires a doctor to co-sign their prescriptions (you understand what that implies).
Also they are expected to consult doctors and specialist when necessary. Clients are even advised to ask their doctors if their case can be handled by an NP.
In Nigeria, BSC nursing has started and I dont see any doctor losing sleep over it. The truth is because Nurses (RN/RM or NPs) are lower in peaking order than the Doctor in training and competence working within the same structure ( be it pediatrics or geriatrics).

3. the Nigeria M.B.B.S senario. the training of any doctor gives him a certain degree of proficiency in Medicine, surgery, Obs/gyn, Child health, Mental health and Public health. Implies that he should be able to handle a wide variety of cases but the training tells him when to refer. Now we have CME/CPDs. The issues of residency space etc and future structure.............sorry you dont have the privilege to share in those information.

4. why the hatred for the Nigeria Doctor? I bet you cant talk about the American Trained the way you disregard Nigerians. You know your place as a nurse or paramedic in US and even revere the doctor

In as much as uve made brilliant comments. That's great, I respect that. But do u know that if those same American doctors decide to go on strike because of what paramedics are earning, the American people will surely come down on them. I'm afraid, thats the case here.

No one is saying he shouldn't head the medical team(as doctors av come to this forum to say), stop the unnecessary lordship(by politics) over the health sector, stop trying to determine what others earn. Mind ur salary scale and face it.

It's no news that Dr Orhii is campaigning for another term. Smh. Ai tete mu-ole.

drobadebayo: he z actually more like a glorified drug dispenser

Haturz. _______/ Take a chill here, u seem pained. Take alomo for the pain.

Tobbie9: well said bro, i took time out to do some research on us and others and found out that most of there doctors are consultants causing a dearth of doctors in primary healthcare which is why even the doctors themselves are pushing nurses and co to be more independent so they can focus on their specialties once residency training is properly done in nigeria the chews/nurses/whatever can have primary healthcare to themselves

I've said this over and over. Again and again. Thank God u saw it for urself.

Now Tobi compare this to what we av in naija. Smh, ur mates are striving to improve their services in the US, u're here going on strike because of CONHESS.

U guys shud just free Miriam oo. She is proud of who she is.. And don't u ever think that anyone who speaks against doctor is jealous. Fallacy!

Mrs Awesome: Hey, would you mind rereading the post again. Medical model of care not US model which is obtainable anywhere in the whole world has nothing to do with surgeon general stuff. And NO..... NMA is losing cos for every of their gains it is countered by JOHESU ...med scientist win , JOHESU court win ...name NMAs ....With conmess ...there is CONHESS. Soon the government will get tired of the whole hullabo and probably privatize all our sorry assEs. I am drumming it now to every ears ..go get a certifications that will stand you out among your peers...at least the big companies, hospitals will be after you when it is the governments time to strike.

I taya for thepathologist. 1 very unintelligent fellow. Oga stick to ur lab work and stop saying trash all over NL.

Tobbie9: guy hw far where are ur fellow compatriots? joshuapharm, adeola drg and co abeg come and assist ms mariam before this thread dies

Yes.. U called me..

miriamP: am sorry but i dont argue with simpletons

U af vex too much fa.

swankpharm.com/2013/12/22/nafdac-a-festering-controversy/

The Minister of Health, Prof. Onyebuchi Chukwu,
practically upbraided his colleagues in the health
sector for continued dysfunctional delivery. He
was, while inaugurating the boards of regulatory
councils within the sector in Abuja, making
reference to the repeated and perennial agitations
by professionals within the sector. While he spoke,
it became evident to observers outside the sector
how urgently the unravelling controversial
decisions in the sector needed to be addressed.
So compelling was his delivery. But it did not
seem, for instance, to address the controversy that
followed the appointment of Dr. Paul Orhii as
Director General of the National Agency for Food
and Drug Administration and Control, NAFDAC, four
years ago. The controversy is mainly among
health professionals and draws its origin from the
wording of the statutes over who is qualified to run
the agency as a Director General.
The law setting up NAFDAC states in Section 9,
sub-section [1] as follows: “there shall be
appointed for the agency by the President,
Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces on the
recommendation of the Minister, a Director General
who shall be a person with good knowledge of
pharmacy, food and drugs.” Dr. Orhii, whose
appointment steamed up the controversy, is a
medical doctor by profession. Though he is not
qualified to be registered as a pharmacist by the
Pharmacists Council of Nigeria, Dr. Orhii has
argued that he was qualified to run NAFDAC.
He points at his strings of academic qualifications,
stating that he is “not only a medical doctor and a
holder of a degree in Law from an American
university, but holds a Doctor of Philosophy in
Neauropharmacology and is also a Biomedical
Scientist”, studying both in the Soviet Union and
the United States of America. In a recent statement
from NAFDAC, Dr. Orhii sought to be dressed in a
pharmacist’s garb for the sake of the requirements
of the law.
He stated that “he not only studied Medicine and
Law but that he is a Pharmacologist, a Biomedical
Scientist, a physician, a doctor of philosophy with
special bias in pharmacology and pharmaceutical
litigation support and has not only a good
academic and practical knowledge of pharmacy,
food and drugs but is also a specialist.” He
contended that “good knowledge of pharmacy, food
and drugs” can be acquired not only through
academic study but also by practical experience on
the job, thereby suggesting that he was learning on
the job, a situation that is utterly strange to the
provisions of the statutes.
It is understandable that professional rivalry exists
between medical doctors and pharmacists but
informed observers believe that it needs not be
accentuated at the risk of running an agency as
strategic as NAFDAC. Some legal opinions, though
constrained from taking sides warn that statutory
matters ought to be shielded from professional
rivalry. They sombrely argue that issues of
professional rivalry needed to be divorced from
this matter of the appointment of the Director
General of NAFDAC.
Practising pharmacists had followed Dr. Orhii’s
appointment four years ago with a petition. They
kicked up dust all over the place, warning of the
danger of turning a strategic national agency into a
platter of nepotism. According to insiders to the
Pharmaceutical Society of Nigeria, PSN, the
professional umbrella body of pharmacists, they
were advised by highly placed government officials
to soft pedal and allow Dr. Orhii to complete his
tenure, a time frame that is likely to elapse in
January, 2014.
Apparently mindful that the Director General is
already making moves to get a second tenure
approval from government, the pharmacists seem
to be feeling uncomfortable. A few months ago, the
group petitioned the Presidency concerning Dr.
Orhii’s continued stay at the NAFDAC. In
marshalling out reasons to establish that
government’s appointment of Dr. Orhii was wrong
headed, PSN wrote:
‘The major area to be regulated in line with the
regulatory mandate of National Agency for Food
and Drugs Administration and Control, NAFDAC,
remains pharmacy, food and drugs. Ironically, the
incumbent Director General cannot legally be
designated a pharmaceutical inspector because the
provisions of Sections 5 and 6 of the Poison and
Pharmacy Act Cap 535 Laws of the Federation of
Nigeria 1990 compels all inspectors to be
registered pharmacists.”
The petition further argues: “Similarly, the
provisions of Sections 9 sub section [2] and [3] of
food and drug makes it obvious that it is only
registered pharmacists and persons who have a
post graduate qualification in drug analysis who
can be designated drug analysts. In same spirit it
is chemists or those who have a post graduate
qualification in food analysis who can be
designated food analyst.”
Seeking to connect the dots, the pharmacists
argued that “the only profession that connects all
the areas is pharmacy” whereas the only
professional able to work knowledgeably in these
areas is the pharmacist. It is evident that all the
anxieties in the air over the NAFDAC chief
executive is heightened because the tenure of Dr.
Orhii is coming to an end and the pharmacists do
not wish to be caught napping again. Their request
on this was clear enough in their petition
document to the Presidency: that Mr. President
“corrects the unlawful appointment of the Director
General, NAFDAC which is not in tandem with
Section 9 [1] of Act 15 of 1993, in the next
dispensation which unfolds in January 2014 by
appointing a registered pharmacist who can meet
the condition precedent in the NAFDAC Act.” Even
as the pharmacists argue passionately on this,
their confidence is boosted by recent accounts of
government’s review and reversal of related
anomalies in similar appointments. Such instances
include the dissolution of the board of the
Pharmacists Council as well as the dissolution and
reconstitution of the Nursing and Midwifery Council
of Nigeria.