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joshnes:
I totally disagree with that. God does not know your end choice.

I beg to differ.

Let's go biblical.

What can you say about Job's story in the Bible?
God knew job would never disappoint him.
Any counter to this?

He knows the end of your choice.

This is why the Bible is inconsistent. If I'm to answer you truthfully, I would say YES and NO to this MESSAGE I quoted.

My reason for the YES response is that, it's conforms to the normal rules and laws of our society.
Lemme cité an example, we all know the end result for violating a rule is punishment.

And NO in the sense that there are many reasons to invalidate God's omniscience nature

So there's nothing new

If He knows your end choice, then there is NO CHOICE. That means you are created to without a choice, I quoted Eccl 7:29 for you, and that shows God has given everybody freewill to choose. That's why He told the Israelites if you do this, you will see this, if you don't do it, you will see that. God creates you, you make your choice. He will alway suggest you choose His way.

Freewill

Hmmm

tintingz:
How does science explain talking donkey?

And the flat earth,plus angels holding wind

JesusPeople:
Cancer as a result of UV??

Never heard of that

Well, the sun might have UV rays, but I doubt if the Sun is the primary cause of such cancer you have in mind. its more likely that the person did some plastic surgery such as Michael Jackson or such personnel over eexpose their bodies to ultraviolet rays, and if you ask me, God doesn't want us sick. For instance, a scorpion stung me yesterday and I prayed over it and that was it. If at all the sun might affect us, God has given us authority over the elements, Elijah parted river Jordan, Josh stopped the sun and many other nature defiling truth God has freely given unto us

A quick check on Google will expose you more to the etiologic factors and causes of cancer.

An undesigned universe is just nothing. Since its not designed, it doesn't exist. It's like an idea or an unbuilt website, it doesn't exists

Are you for real? I said an undesigned universe, but you're here correlating it to an inexisting universe.

BTW, you gave a wrong analogy by saying an undesigned universe is like an unbuilt website.
The keyword here is design and not build.

A website can be built but not perfectly designed. Hope you now see the differences?

About Is 45:7, God formed pencil and created eraser.

Thank you for drifting in the direction I wanted driving to.
What's the usage of a pencil? To draw/map/sketch I guess.
What's the usage of an eraser? To edit/clean/modify mistakes made by the artist.

If I'm to logically conclude, god is susceptible to error. An almighty, all knowing, all perfect being making mistakes.
An omniscient being makin mistake. LoL

Anyways, I'm not surprised that an omnipotent and omniscient being can mistake cos the Bible alone is evident enough to prove his flaws.
E.G

1. GOd regretted created man.
2. God didn't know where Adam was after eating the fruit.
3. God didn't know how faithful and obedient Abraham was to him until he tested him using ISAAC
4. A omniscient god who repented of his evil

What makes God "God" is His ability to bring balance to everything. God can make and destroy.

Why destroy since he's perfect and knows what the future hold?

But his destruction is not to hurt mankind.

Are you for real? God destruction is not to hurt mankind?

Lemme ask you these simple questions:
1. Who masterminded the Noah's flood in exodus?
2. What was God's intention for the flood?
3. Who sent the angel of death to kill the Egyptian first born?
4. Who visit 3rd - 4th generation for the sins of their ancestors?

For instance, God created hell for lucifer and his angel, that was a punishment. Like I said, balance, God seeks fairness, and if there must be fairness, evil deed must be judged by a painful exercise which will appear evil, but the end result is good.

Like God promising hell is a good end result àbí?

And in the other sense, God uses some punishment for corrections. To guide, our fathers beats us when we were little, we considered it back then as evil, but now it seems good to us.

Like smashing the babies and killing Egyptian first born?

[s]There is a Yoruba saying that an untrained or spoilt child whose parent does not discipline(evil)(correction) would eventually sell his fathers house.[/s]

Out of point

elantraceey:
You're the one confusing yourself not the Bible.

Do donkeys talk??

Is it OK to call someone a fool?
Yes, It's OK to call someone a fool.
Yes, if they are atheists.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 , 53:1

Or if they trust their own hearts.
He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool. Proverbs 28:26

Jesus often called people fools. (So it must be OK.)
Ye fools and blind. Matthew 23:17, 19
Ye fools. Luke 11:40
O fools, and slow of heart to believe. Luke 24:25
And so did Paul.
Their foolish heart was darkened.
Romans 1:21-22
Thou fool. 1 Corinthians 15:36
O foolish Galatians. Galatians 3:1
It's not OK to call someone a fool.

You're in danger of going to hell if you do.
Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Matthew 5:22

LoL
Old contradiction

JesusPeople:
God designed good water for drinking and human daily consumption, nothing better than that

What about cancer as a result of UV from sun?

Anyways, if you don't mind, can you tell me how an undesigned universe looks like?

About the bolded, pains, suffering hardship are not Gods intent for man. God has no evil plan for man, it wasn't Gods intent for us to suffer, to be sincere

Read Isaiah 45 vs 7

Also add these verses

(Exodus 34:6-7 & Deuteronomy 5:8-10)

Ferisidowu:
Lolz eyah sorry to disappoint...
Let me know now before we proceed..
1) do you believe the authenticity of the Bible

A very funny question.
Do you believe donkeys talk?

Sarassin:
Paul never married. As the story goes according to the Nazoreans, Paul arrived from Tarsus, a place where Jewish people hardly lived, he became friends with the High Priest of the Sanhedrin willing to do their dirty work, he also wanted to marry the daughter of the High Priest without his permission. Paul converted to Judaism and underwent a circumcision as an adult in order to convince the girl to marry him, the girl declined, unfortunately the delicate surgery was a botched job.

Anyhow we are told that the chief priest got wind of Paul’s intention towards his daughter and wanted to teach him a lesson for being such an upstart, Paul fled town in hot pursuit by the High Priests henchmen, along the way, Paul saw the light or heard a voice or maybe both, no one really knows for sure but the rest is history. Now, if only the girl had said Yes

LoL.
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I now understand better the real story behind Paul's conversion. Thanks Sarassin for this

Daeylar:
But I've seen your posts in romance
Lol, don't mind me,

LoL

I was much active on romance section using my previous moniker adepeter26 before that mumu mod, mydn placed it on "eternal" bann.

ScienceWatch:
Compliments of the season tom you and your family.
It is 2018 the year of the Tiger. I wish you all the best with these long awaited tactics. Start by questioning the reality of Atheists NO-god.

Happy 2018 to you bro

Spiritual things are not mans work. Man can only experience it and relay that experience with his faulty language and secular definitions and the listener will make it worst by bad interpretations etc, etc.

I'm happy with the emboldened cos we both can't reach a consensus

Tozara:
i'm good too.
Alright. All the best, bro.

Lol. Exactly. I've abandoned the shitligion section almost totally. It's a waste of time.

Haha. Thanks, bigger bro.

which section on NL do you now patronise aside ROMANCE cos I wanna migrate as well.?

KingEbukasBlog:
The God I'm talking about is the separate conscious entity that transcends the universe.

@bold just proved my point.

You just pick any definition of god you like to proof a point.

Pantheism doesn't posit that the universe is eternal. There are pantheists who believe the universe has a beginning. Deifying an entity does not make the entity eternal .

I don't know if you really understand the colored TEXTS


Truth eh, you're good but this ya twisting and untwisting of terms and arguments is tiring.

[s]
"pan" in pantheism means everything. A pantheist can believe that everything including the creator of the universe is God .[/s]

OP

Tozara:
Haha.

LoL

Nigga, how've you been? I've not beenI have seeing you around.

I'm good and you.?
Yeah, I have been busy lately with school schedules. Besides, religion section is now reeked with old bullsh!ts jare. Recycled jargon.

Happy new year.

Same to you big bro.

QuietHammer:
The fascinating thing is that some simpletons still applaud this guy and his words salad

hahaha

No kill me with laugh abeg

ScienceWatch:
Complements of the season to you and your precious family, 3nim.

Let Atheists prove that their NO-GOD exist.

I will employ the tactics you'd use in proving Oluwaseun ain't the president of Nigeria

Àtimes, you are ridiculously funny. You just choose whatever point of theism that suites ya arguments to debate forgetting other aspects.

I believe you're a theist and pantheism is a type or form of theism (I'm free/open to correction tho). More also, god is relative.

According to pantheism, god is the Universe. Now if god is the universe, do you mean to say god is not eternal as well or am I quoting out of context?

CC hopefulLandlord, dalaman and co

KingEbukasBlog:
Something has to be eternal
The universe cannot be eternal due to philosophical and scientific reasons

But God can be eternal due to religious and "kingebukological" reasons àbí?

hopefulLandlord:
cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Jesuuuuuuuu

LoL

2cato:
Before i will take u serious, how many of the prohecies come to pass

Otobo saga offcourse.

At this junction Mr dekline, your god exist.
But don't forget to branch at a near by hospital to confirm if you're pregnant.
Carry your wahala and go jare

Deckline:
Go to anywhere in the world... Muslims,traditionalists,Budhists don't preach repentance. So if they see me as an umbeliever,why can't they come and preach to me,distribute fliers or whatever? As christians,we have faith that we are believers thats why we can preach anywhere.

You attend CRK for nursery school at all.

Did you finish "JELESIMI" before starting nursery school?

Like for real, you need medical attention

Deckline:
Lol. God created man,

Panku (God) created man and the universe.

man invented and worshipped other gods...

Man then invented your god (ie Yahweh) and worshipped him.

How the hell was God invented when he was existing long before man was created by him?

Yeah. Panku has been in existence before yahweh was invented.

Deckline:
Now, you can't just start thinking and questioning your beliefs if there hasn't been any connection with a third party. You must have shared your thoughts with an umbeliever.

Hope you're aware of the fact that you're also an unbeliever.

You're an unbeliever in the sight of a Muslim, Traditionalist, Buddhist etc.

Chai.
This Christians sef.
They hate it when we compare their god to Amadioha, Ra, Thor etc

Deckline:
Now listen,Amadioha, Sango is believed to be a god in the yoruba kingdom. A statute of course acclaimed to be the god of iron, These are statutes invented by humans to be gods. Now let me tell you,GOD was not invented. He was before anything is. Sango,amadioha,ogun,obatala,moremi... These are just babaric traditional gods invented by man. God lived before man was created by him.

Seems you have malaria...

Chaii

Yahweh wasn't invented, but amadioha was.? You're pregnant walai.

Shey you see double standard principle just caught up with you

HardMirror:
Pls educate me, what are the things beyond science?

Insanity, delusion and gullibility

NPComplete:
Anybody that replies stupid questions like this should flogged. Just ignore the silly question.

This guy is obviously incapable of any meaningful discussion.

Please we will soon be in 2018. Let's learn to recognise pointless discussions and ignore them.

it's frustrating bro

Deckline:
Lol... The word "Omniscient" is one of the attributes of GOD. He knows everything. There are things beyond science interpretation. Knowing Science does not make you Omniscient, cause Science is earthly. There is GOD who controls science.

Which validates the fact that he knew man would the fruit right?

Deckline:
Now i am of the belief that atheists on NL were once christians(not all though). Now i have a question, WHY DID YOU HATE GOD?!

We don't hate god. We ain't misotheist

Deckline:
No... You are wrong. You don't think. If you do, you wouldn't question the existence of God.

why do you question and belittle sango, amadioha, etc

Deckline:
Lol...Now,true there might be over 4000 gods but Let me ask you a question. Why don't we hear complaints about these other gods?

Are you kidding me?
Don't you people belittle African traditional deities? Don't you know they are among the 4000+ gods include YAHWEH?

Haven't you read a verse in ya Bible where your god condemned worshipping other gods aside him?

Why do people always talk against the bible.

Lies from the pit of hell.
Infact, your fellow Christians on this platform attack Muslims.

Now the bible is just 1 minus the 4000 other sacred books other religions can be using,but why is it the bible contents people are always attacking?

We comment on Muslim threads as well.
We question the Quran.

Besides, even most atheists on NL were once Christians, so they know more about Christianity than Islam. This is why we don't comment mostly on Islamic section.

Why do you think atheists always go against what is written in the bible?

Hope you weren't sleeping when you typed this line cos it sounds so ridiculous to me.

Lemme rephrase ya question for you. "why do Christians go against what's in the QURAN"?

Why do they attack Jesus more? Why not mohammed,or allah,or budha or some other gods?

For the same reason Christians despise Muslims and threaten Muslims with Christian version of hell fire.

Jesus wants you to repent

We also beg of you to help us tell GOD dat he should repent and seek for forgiveness. God have killed alot.

We pray that your tyrant called God repents too

Deckline:
JEEZ!! Yes or No?! Am not interested in your atheistic jagoons...

Anyone you deem fit since you can't read

Deckline:
Lol... I needed a yes or no answer. If you think God doesn't exist, do you also think the devil doesn't exist? Yes or No. Let me just enligthen you on the truth.

We don't subscribe to god and devil bla bla bla