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1Sharon:
Link pls!

This is where the drama was exposed https://www.nairaland.com/4068154/argument-design-replying-olaadegbus-thread/3#60795402

CuteMadridista:
Lmao!

TBF its actually "ngor" not "ngo" and people like Agentofallah (haven't seen him here for a while) johnnydon, Catfishbilly, chemystry, Proudgorgeousga etc can testify

This is where the drama was exposed https://www.nairaland.com/4068154/argument-design-replying-olaadegbus-thread/3#60795402

Yeah.

Thanks for the link and corrections

@ vaxx, click that link see for yourself

butterflylion:
Please what are my multiple accounts? Is there any other account of mine besides any with "butterfly" on it that you speak of?

Ama troop in since you requested.

Have you forgotten about NGO1, NGO2, NGO3, AND NGO4 IDs.? Do you still recall the thread where johnydon bursted you openly. That thread where you were liking your own posts and sharing them? NPComplete àbí n'a who sef can testify to this if they still recall.

And when did I reply myself? Are you even alright at all? How can butterflylion reply butterflylion or butterflylion reply butterflyl1on?

No need to play the victim the card.

We Sabi the parol Tey Tey

vaxx:
lol.... i realised it becoming absurd, i mean deforming him as a scammer which is trully not good for his reputation.... online forum is not trully secure as we may think...people can be track throw their emails and some other options

Like I wrote earlier, "YOU WON'T UNDERSTAND".

You joined NL lately. Or will I say you became active when even had died down.

The story is a long one. If a new thread is to opened, it will get up to page 100 within 2 days concerning this of scamming or no scamming. A lot of accounts will be banned. Lots of threads will be hidden or deleted.

So, it's a long story.

vaxx:
buterflyl1ion claim in one of his post to be a yoruba boy, i cannot quite recollect, why the igbo names... are you sure , you are not mistaken him for someone else?

alaye, you won't understand.

LoL

NL?

HAHAHAHAHA

vaxx:
You are constantly being accused of 6 million naira scam, can you please vindicate yourself once and for all, since that is the reason hopefullanlord consider you not worthy to reply or keep you as online friend.... vindicate yourself not for him only, but for people like me who hold your intelectual prowess in a high regard....

That's like waiting for biblical rapture will occur tonight

viceddy95:
your brain is dormant. ..... sorry d post is not for kids like u....

Ad-Hominem - Typical behaviour from peeps like you.

butterflyl1on:
A) They are not predicting
B) Prophecy is not a religious substitute for prediction

Oya na
I done hear

Sarassin yaff vex

butterflyl1on:
You cannot even see your own confusion. A prophecy is different from a prediction. When you know the difference, then come and let's talk.

Oga ade, these men of god are predicting and not prophesying...

Besides, prophesy is the religious adjective substituted for prediction.

Supremex:
You will now think you have made sense, those predictions you mentioned, of what importance are they to the moving forward of the country?

Prediction of Kim Kardashian by Apostle suleiman is of what relevance to the the progress of Nigeria?

Or you wanna deny this prediction?

[s]I dont think you read what you wrote, " what goes up must come down" what law says "what goes down must go up", this prophecy didnt come last yr it came this year and it happened and you are here telling us trash,[/s]

Dustbin

it is cos you havent been under this mans ministrations, he hasnt called your matric number, full name, date of birth, day of week, exact time even to second, what you did a day before and then what will happen to you the nxt day with every detail coming to pass

A sọ called man of god that didn't see otobo case coming would wanna say trash about my life?

LoL

Bunch of jokers

butterflyl1on:
The fact that you are listing out what you think they should have prophesied shows you know they have prophesied others which came to pass.

Even my grandfather do prophesy predict and majority do come to past.

So what the fuss about this men of god prophecies predictions which makes it so unique?

The question you should be asking yourself is how come you cannot prophesy and it comes to pass?

Ogbeni, I have prophesied predicted countless time.

Some among my prophecies are;
- I prophesied that BUHARI would win in 2015 and it came to pass.
- I prophesied Man City winning Arsenal and it came to pass.

Since they did not prophecy the ones you listed above what stopped you from prophesying about them to at least lay claim that even you can also do same.

Already answered this in my 2nd quote.

OkCornel:
Is it all northerners that knows a lot about Uthman Dan Fodio? or are you comparing yourself to "some northerners" who could possibly be illiterates? thank goodness you said some northerners and not all northerners...


Back to my questions...

1) Between evidences provided against the existence of Moses by a foreigner and the evidences provided by Jewish Historians for the existence of Moses, which one carries more weight?

My Justification will depend on the evidence(s) provided by both parties...

2) Do you have any evidence to support or counter the fact that Moses is a myth? Perhaps you know the history of the Jews better than the Jews themselves...

This isn't my argument neither am I interested in this particular point.

Emmanystone:
Wow, see reasoning. And i'm suppose to really stand and answer this? Boy, move and grow up. You want to see spirits with a microscope.

Wooorissssdisss?

Chineke.

Analice

Chai.

Where was it stated in my post that God can viewed using microscope? Are you finding it difficult to comprehend what was written above or what?

Re-read my last line of the above(ie quoted) post again

Someone is lying above lol
Chai

OkCornel:
The documentary is right there on National Geographic TV website...so therefore, how is it a fake link?

If you cannot play it due to technical issues...then its a different thing altogether...

I watched it last month...but could not do so this week...and I thought it was my network or something...

I played the video Mr.
At a junction, I stopped watching it cos I realised it same as watching a video where someone is trying to proof a TALKING DONKEY, PHAGOCYTIC SNAKE (36millionaire snake) and co

viceddy95:
Apostle Suleman also warned during one of his Sunday services that; “I see kidnappers entering schools.” This turned out to be the dreaded Boko Haram sect that abducted 110 school girls in Dapchi, Yobe State, few days ago.

I started smiling and laughing hard when I got to the emboldened.

Assuming those girls were kidnapped in Sokoto, Jo's, Kano. I'm sure the prophecy prediction would have still been inline.

It is news of hope for the country’s failing economy, on number 38. Apostle Suleman said; “I saw the naira gaining relevance.” For some months, the Naira, according to government’s release, has remained stabilized against the US Dollar and Euro.

How is this a prophecy a beg?
What goes up must surely come down

How come nobody or man of god prophesied about Arsenal losing to Manchester City?

How come no man of god prophesied about Yusuf Buhari power bike accident?

How come no man of god prophesied about the reconciliation of Wizkid and Davido?

Make una find better lies joor

Noah ark? LoL
Even mumus won't believe that story.

OkCornel:
What's the fake link I dropped?
Please let us know...

The Jesus whatsoever blood DNA link.

OkCornel:
And I've asked you, if both the foreigner and Jew presents convincing but yet conflicting evidence...which one will you settle for?

This is we're common sense should come in.
For the fact that one is a Christian doesn't infer that person knowing the bible well. There are Muslim scholars who will beat Christians pant down.

What is important here and key note is EXPOSURE, INTELLIGENCE and not LABEL.

1. Wright and Oliver 1st invented plane. But today, there are people who beat these first inventors pant down.
2. I live in sokoto, I know USMANU BIN FODIO history far better than some northerners.
3. There are igbos and malams that know oodua history far better than me.

So what's your point?
There are times where one should judge a book by its contents and not by its cover.

How do you know which one is right or wrong?

I don't want to believe the Jews are dullards...neither is the foreigner more insightful than them..

Choi.

You think in one direction without considering other perspectives. This is the reason why some/most atheists are far better than some/most religious fellas

Tasma:
At times the simplest explanation is the right one. Over time man has always had the problem of having loads of unanswered questions. Like kids at a science fair we struggle to gleam bits and pieces of the universe we exist in. Science is the tool we have to try to understand the world we live in, it does not claim to know everything time but asserts to "know " something until the knowledge is refuted or improved on. If the is a creator or "God" science everyday gives a better understanding of the world he created. Most religions on the other hand make an incredible leap of faith saying that they know the exact nature of this "God"! This even though it has been shown several times that a so called believer can be completely wrong about a topic simply due to lack of knowledge e. g. the flatness of the earth. Its a serious lack of humility to assume we somehow already have all the answers. When people talk of "God" which one do they mean. There are loads of religion each with a different concept of God, every sect can claim theirs is the right one. I wonder who is then right. The simpler explanation is that different people of different tribes, culture, habitat have come up with their own concepts of God and religion has been more of a tool for social mores than anything. Perhaps it is time to get rid of this easily exploitable tool and focus on morals and principles instead. Lastly using your subjective experience to declare the existence of your own particular God is disingenuous. For every 1000 answered prayers there are another 1000 unanswered ones. Also people get "answered " prayers praying to different concepts of God. The fear of eternal damnation shouldn't be the impetuous for good behavior in humans. I believe the will to be good exists in us all. Just my two cents.

Wow.

Brilliant

awesomeJ:
Somebody is at the point of death, given up for dead, and just by praying he got restored to a whole body in an instant. There There's nothing supernatural in that?

You ain't a making any point.

What about irreligious people who were are the point of death, yet weren't prayed for and got resuscitate instantly?

Lemme play your card at you.
And somebody also was at the point of death, was prayed for and died instantly. What do you call that?
[b]
Would it be foolish of me if I said to my friend concerning a computer game he shows me that "I just don't understand the details yet, but there's nothing like codes behind the working of this game"[/quote]Oh my god.

Jesus wept.

Are you alright?

I doubt you aren't.

Now hear yourself out. Re-read your analogy.
1. A friend showed you a computer game.
2. Then you replied you don't understand the details yet.
3. Suddenly, you begin to equate codes to supernatural stuffs.

Is code writing a supernatural concept? Is it even natural? Code writing, were invented and developed by man.

Lemme help you explain what I meant by saying "THERE IS NOTHING SUPERNATURAL, JUST THAT THE NATURALS ARE NOT YET UNDERSTOOD".
1. First, the history was malaria infection was thought to be a supernatural affliction by the gods. Over time, it was made clear that PLASMODIUM spp were the causative agents. After the discovery of this pathogenic organism, the supernatural concept of malaria has now been put away.

2. Thunder and lightning were ascribe to some god (supernatural beings). But now, such concepts has been thrown into thin air.

3. Before now, children were dying unnecessarily as a result of different congenital anomalies such as G6PD, SCA and etc. They mysterious death of these children were ascribe to affliction from gods, bewitched children and etc. But thanks to modern medicine, more light has been shared.

4. In the past, Some fetuses die prematurely as a result of erythroblastosis fetalis. The society tag these pregnant women and their fetus as ogbanje, emere, abiku etc.

All these examples above were thought to be supernatural, but today are now history. We now understand them better.

Is it not an established fact that nothing happens without a cause? And when the causes of something defy natural orders, would you not be foolish to say that cause isn't beyond natural?

Like babies producing dark urine right?
Like astronauts traveling from earth to moon?


Hope you know all these are beyond natural comprehension?

OkCornel:
If you go through the documentary, you will find the answers to your question in there...but I guess you're either lazy or too busy to go through it hence...you are replying me with incomplete knowledge on the subject matter



Please take out time to research on how the structure of the Universe... you'll find out that before the sun existed as a star...there were many other countless stars as well... when you are through with your findings, I expect you understand that stars are not the only source of light nor the first source of light in the Universe...

Infact, do some research and give me an intelligent clapback. I am looking for people to engage me in intellectually stimulating discussions rather than reply me with disappointing answers



Go and do some more research on the Universe...unless you are telling me the Sun is the first star that ever existed in the Universe...
And bear in mind, the stars are not the only source of light in the Universe...

If you are waiting for Biblical evidence... I hope "Let there be light" rings a bell in your head...



If you were patient enough to read and understand my first post on this thread...then you won't be typing this. Go and do some more research... The English Bible(s) (all the different versions) are not 100% accurate!



I get your problem...it's because all these things are written in a Jewish book...that's why your mindset which has been made rigid by logic (which is not the highest form of intelligence) finds it difficult to accept...

Perhaps, you might find all these things to be possible if a Satanist or Occultist demonstrates them as well...

Redirecting me to do research? Why can you just drop fake link(s) just like you did earlier

awesomeJ:
Maybe it does, but that's not the problem with atheists. Their position is that nothing supernatural exists. This based on people's vast experience is utterly wrong.

The issue of which God is true is beyond the scope of this thread isn't it?

There is nothing supernatural, just that the naturals are not yet understood

Emmanystone:
Now we can see microorganisms but still not with this eyes. You could have died disbelieving their existence without a microspcope. But, they were there.

I love this part of your point.

But we can observe the growth these microbes with our bare unaided eyes on various media.
Morphologies of these microbes can be describe.
Features of these microbes can be described.

Place à microscope on the table, call a Muslim, Christian, Atheist, Buddhist, Hindu etc to view, they all would agree on what they see through the microscope.

What about god? For years, there haven't been comprehensive explanation for a god. Even among the so called god believers, many disagree on the notion of a god.
You people claim god is spirit. You claim god can be accessed in the spiritual realm. You claim you encounter god but when prompted with questions, you all crawl back to your shell.

What actually buggles my mind is, whether you guys don't realise how ridiculous your demands to see God are. God is a Spirit and we can't see excpet with this eyes and this eyes don't see spirits.

Can you pls use that same spiritual eyes to explain God? How he looks like? His complexion? His accent? Etc

AnonyNymous:
Bro you funny sha, been reading your replies

LoL
It's the holy spirit doing.

OkCornel:
1) What would a biblical DNA test be doing on National Geographic for goodness sake? It's a Scientific test.

Haaa

Scientific DNA? How? When? Using what technique as at then? On what were the test confirmed scientifically?

2) Light existed before the Sun existed...

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

What are your evidence to backup this claim?

that's the point here...

Apparently, you haven't presented any point. All you're doing is making baseless claims

study the structure of the galaxies and notice how the core is brighter than the other parts...

If I knew, I wouldn't have been asking you irrelevant questions.
Mr man, save me the stress and tell me other sources of light that existed before sun.

Morealso, I would be most happy if you provide biblical evidences.

3) The answer to your question is simple. Ask yourself if the original bible was written in English. If no is your answer, then ask yourself if those who did the translation from Hebrew & Greek to Latin and subsequently English did not interpret any part of it out of context. As for Satan dying on the cross for your sins...ride on...even if the interpreters quoted certain things out of context, I never knew you would think they quoted "the entire bible" out of context...

LoL
Some part of the Bible were wrongly translated then.

Also, You mean to say some parts of the Bible are metaphorical and allegorical? LoL

Well done.

4) Man lost a lot of abilities after the fall, eternal life was one of it, telepathic communication was just another bit of it.

Word gymnastics @emboldned
After the fall of man, some miraculous lies stopped occurring - talking animals, wind holding, flat earth, walking on water, spiritual pregnancy etc.

While after the fall of man, some miraculous things continued to occur such as waking the dead, changing genotype from SS to AA, making "some" blind see and deaf hear,

KEEP IT UP.
The lord is your strength.

5) I remain neutral on the story of a talking donkey...as it is, I do not trust the English bible 100%. And before you make a big deal out of this, go and read my first post on this thread...my reason for saying this was clearly stated there...

LoL

Funny you.

OkCornel:
My response to some of your observations

1) Go and do some research on the DNA of Jesus...the DNA test shows there is no chromosome tracing Him to an earthly father;
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/videos/the-blood-of-christ/

Biblical DNA Research or Scientific DNA research?

2) Thinking the Sun is the only source of light on the Universe is false...lemme ask, what is the source of light in the Universe?

I don't know what are the other sources of light and what illuminates other planet. But I don't mind if you do tell me..

3) John wrote what he saw using the best expression and terms at that point in time...the original meaning of which could be twisted out of context while interpreting the Bible into English from Latin (which was also translated from Greek and Hebrew)... My advice, [b]don't take the writings at face value...[/b]do a deeper study into the original writings of John in whichever language he wrote the book of Revelation in...

I seem to be lost at the emboldened

Do you mean to say I'm taking the term out of context or what?
Now I would like know, why didn't the bible use the right term? Why didn't the bible say Satan was the person crucified on the cross?

4) Concerning the "talking" serpent...I hope you understand what telepathic communication is... there's a level of communication where messages are exchanged without signs or speech... Man operated at that level before the fall... Jesus (the 2nd Adam) operated at that level especially when he was talking with the Pharisees...

So the word and miracles of a So called god do change from time to time? So after the fall of man, telepathic communication ceased?
Anyways, hope you know there is/was record of a talking donkey after the fall of man? What can you say about that?

Lie 001. Mary becoming pregnant without any artificial penetration.


Lie 002.
Genesis 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
Genesis 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.

Lie 003.
Révélation 7v1
Revelation 7 King James Version (KJV)
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Can wind be held?

Lie 004
Numbers 22v28-30 - talking donkey

Lie 005
Genesis 3v1 - talking serpent

Will add more later

You forgot to add "GROWING/RESTORING THE LIMBS OF AMPUTEES"

RichieBrown:
You're not the only one going through it love. I just want to hear that voice...

Just the same way the idol in my grandfather's shrine doesn't talk, God also doesn't talk.

And you know what, if you force it, i see mental decapitation befalling you.

Besides, alot of people who claim to say god talks to them are either framing it, or are schizophrenic. While others who claim such have their mind playing tricks at them.

Lemme wait for them pastors to respond.

If God finally speaks to you, please don't forget to create a new thread of testimony.