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Justwise?

Why was my reply deleted please?

Fallawx:
@Adjo10 keep up the good work . I am back the banned is over . Let keep the thread rolling .

Thanks Fallawx

Oluwo1:
Hello, please which hospital did you use IN sao Paulo ? Have been trying to contact alot of them via email but no response and when I call most of the receptionist dont speak English.

Hello Oluwo1. São Paulo is soooooooo big and vast that the hospital you want to give birth in will depend on the area in which you find yourself. São Paulo has the longest vehicle traffic in the world and it can take time to get from one place to the other. I personally don’t recommend São Paulo. Please read my previous posts on suggested locations to give birth. If São Paulo is however your vibe then any private hospital will be fine. Prices ranges from high, medium to low. There is something for everyone. On the high side you have hospitals like Albert Einstein Israelite Hospital with Hospital e Maternidade São Luiz being in the medium range and the rest in-between.

You are not going to get much response and help by writing them an email or calling them from Nigeria. In fact, you are exposing yourself before even landing in Brazil. Brazil is different. You need to enter Brazil first and visit the hospital yourself to negotiate things. Most private hospitals if not all have birth packages. They will only discuss with you if you visit them in person.

Cheers

aakaay:
Hi, Adjo

Thanks for your response. How long did you and your friend apply to stay? did your friend submit in person or via courier, and if via courier how do you make payment for the visa fees?

Please i sent you an email on a personal question.

Cheers.

Hello aakaay,

The number of days you apply for depends on the money in your bank account. (I do not know how much they require per day but you can look for the Schengen daily rate as a guideline). The important thing however is that the Visa is usually issued for a 90 day stay no matter the number of days you ask. I will say in extremely rare cases you will be given the exact number of days you ask for.

The answer to the question about payment of visa application fee and the mode of application is clearly stated in the link i sent earlier.

Cheers

aakaay:
hi, Hi Adjo

I was looking for a thread on birthing in brazil and i am grateful to you for having started it. I had my first child in the US and i got pregnant early in the year, so i started researching on other countries that i could have as options for childbrith since the US was becoming stricter and i made a brazilian my first alternative choice.

Right now i am ready to begin my application, though i wish i knew better i would have applied a while back when my stomach wasnt showing yet.
Here are my questions:
Please can you elaborate on your 7months pregnant friend's experience, expecially regarding the fact that the pregnancy is already showing, was she called for an interview, is being invited for an interview a standard practive?
I have read you say apply for tourism and stick to the story of going for tourism, just to confirm.
I intend to stay back after the baby and apply for PR and ultimately citizenship, I intended to make the trip with my hubby, do u advise i apply for my son or do i wait and apply for him after i settle in with my new baby?
How long does it take to get the visa after application?
Some websites i have checked keep saying you need an ivitation from someone who resides in brazil, is this necessary?
whats the official website for application?

Looking forward to your response.

Thanks.

Hey aakaay,

Thank you. I did not start the thread but became active after i successfully gave birth and wanted to provide my own first hand knowledge of the process. Congrats on your first child in the US. You already have a good background for your next journey.

When it comes to visa, i prefer to direct everyone to the official embassy website. This is because every visa application is different therefore my situation may be different from yours. I prefer to share experiences related to post-visa processes. Kindly find below the official website of the embassy. All infos are there. I read it myself and think you will get answers to all visa related questions.

http://lagos.itamaraty.gov.br/en-us/visitor_(for_tourism,_business_and_other_situations).xml

Just a general view and please remember this was my situation and may differ from yours.

1. I or my friend were never required to submit an invitation letter from someone in Brazil and this is clearly stated on the official website. You are required to submit either an invitation letter or a hotel booking. We both used the hotel booking option. (This does not mean you have to do same). I have a lot of tourist visas in my passport therefore booking a hotel as a tourist is considered normal for me.

2. I and my friend were never asked to show up at the embassy. The embassy has the option of sending in your documents by mail or in person. The embassy's website however states that they reserve the right to ask you to show in person.

3. About applying for a tourist visa to give birth unfortunately i cannot comment on that. Please used your own discretion and judgement.

4. About applying for you son. I don't understand the question? which application? visa, permanent residency or citizenship for your Son? I will assume you mean visa. If your son is American then he does not need a visa to stay in Brazil for 90 days. This visa exemption took effect on June 17 this year.

Please fill free to come back with more questions or clarifications.

Cheers

Ifexontop:
keep on the good work

Thanks

Thanks seunny4lif. I have learnt new things from you. Thanks

US visas are issued for 10 years to Brazilians and the success rate is 95% for Brazilians. Brazilians with a US visa do not require a visa to enter Canada so far as the US visa is valid. This mean for 10 years. (Of course you can only stay 6 months per year for 10 years).

Brazilians do not require visa to New Zealand, Russia, South Korea , south Africa, Isreal, Turkey and even Ireland etc etc etc. In addition to every single European Country.

seunny4lif:

You will need a working visa to work or study Visa to stay legally in any Europe countries.

Thanks seunny4lif. You are very right. Your Brazilian passport however allows you to enter and stay in Europe and other countries without visa for mostly 6 months in a year (for tourist or business purposes which includes interviews). During this time, you can search for work and then apply for a work permit or visa depending on the country. The point i am making however is the ability to enter without visa first before changing to a work permit. NB: you are not permitted to work during your visa free stay but you are allowed to look for work and then obtain a work permit.

After you find work, some countries will ask you to go back and apply for work visa home. Some like Germany and Portugal etc will allow you to obtain a work permit without you leaving the country.

In Germany for example, Brazilian are allow to enter visa free and create their own business and obtain a self employment permit without leaving the country. In Georgia, Brazilians are allowed visa free stay 360 days in a year. 6 months per year in the UK etc.

Cheers

veneza:
please was it a big challenge communicating when you first arrive,also which medium of communication those their hospital use.
what is cheapest route to take after securing a visa.

Communication in English can be a little bit of a challenge but thank God we can help with a little trick from experience. The trick is simple:

Book an Airbnb Accomodation where the host or house owner speaks English. You can filter this option on the Airbnb website. Brazilians are very nice people and Airbnb hosts are even super helpful because they want good reviews. My Airbnb host was my was translator for everything. She even found me an English speaking Doctor.

After securing a visa, please pick a flight that will not pass through Europe. European countries as a transit country can sometimes be hard on Nigerians because some of our people have disappeared into Europe during their transits. Ethiopian Airline or Air Morroco should be fine. It may not be the cheapest but it’s the best to avoid any transit problems.

As I always say... the most important thing is to enter Brazil. They rest will fall in place.

Cheers

A big smile on my face every morning as i look at my Brazilian baby and the fact that all my future children will be Brazilian (because I and my spouse have permanent residency). Knowing that in less than a year from now, I’m also going to hold my own Brazilian passport and can travel to every single country in Europe visa free and indeed be able to attend job interviews and work in 171+ ECOWAS countries around the world is indeed a blessing to my family.

It is my hope that many of my Nigerian brothers and sisters will have such smiles on their faces. Please feel free to ask any questions here and we will try and answer them to the best of our knowledge. The door to Brazil is wide open. My good friend is 7 months pregnant and just went for her visa last 2 weeks. She is Nigerian too and she was not asked any pregnancy test or whatsoever. Brazil is an advanced country and will most likely not ask you such test as it can be against your right as a woman.

Let’s keep the thread alive...

Peace

So he is even not in Brazil. I’m sure he has never been there too. No wonder . Well... maybe he is sad that people are getting a good Brazilian passport faster than one can in the UK. It is very sad how people cannot be honest. If you don’t know about Brazil, why do you waste our breath debating with you. I’m no more wasting my energy on these guys

Under the Brazilian immigration law of 2017, a tourist visa cannot be changed to another visa in Brazil. It can only be changed into another form of visa in Brazil in only 2 circumstances thus:

1. When you give birth to a Brazilian child
2. When you marry a Brazilian

What do you say about that? Are we better informed than the Brazilian law makers about their own country? You see my friends... context is everything. It is not illegal to give birth in Brazil. Period!

Fallawx:
Adjo10 abeg help me tell them how things goes in Brazil. No one dey abuse anything . If you do anyhow in Brazil, the govt go do you anyhow my people .

Fallawx You are right. It is important that things be put in contexts. Every country is different and one needs to understand how things work in Brazil to understand some of the things we say on this platform.

Unfortunately, some don’t and they make claims and use words they have no idea about. All i can say is that, we will keep providing information to the best of our knowledge for the benefit of those who want to make good use of this opportunity. Their words are unfounded and will not discourage us.

Cheers

The Brazilian economy depends heavily on tourism and services patronized by tourists. The system is designed in such a way that even tourists pay super high tax thus: 10% tax on all money exchanges you make in the country, tax on renting apartments, taxi rides etc etc. I most likely paid more tax in Brazil as a tourist than most Brazilians do. That is why public hospitals are by the constitution free for both citizens and tourists alike.

I do not and no one here encourages anyone to give birth in a public hospital. In fact that has never been a point in this thread except few people here who are trying to make it a big deal here lol.

But to put it in context. Brazil has a population of 204 million. How many Nigerians get visas to give birth in Brazil? That number will not even be close to 0.000001% of the Brazilian population. How can such numbers put pressure on the health care system? Obviously, you need some education lol.

Although i do no encourage anyone to give birth in a public hospital, i will certainly not condemn anyone for doing so. I have come across cities in Brazil where the public health care is better equipped to take care of emergency pregnancy situations than private hospitals. And trust me, when it comes to life and death and pregnancy, a mother or father will not even think twice about saving their little one. So shut up if you don’t understand something and stop making a big deal out of nothing.

Peace

justwise:
Obviously you are denying the fact and rather focus on what is good for you and your family.

Yes it’s an abuse of system when you lied your way into Brazil only to use their free health care and get citizenship and leave without paying a penny.

Why not pay for a private health care and still get the citizenship?

This is morally unacceptable and Nigerians should have a hard look at ourselves and ask why many countries detest us.

I’m aware that many reading this will hate me even more but I couldn’t careless and will keep speaking out.

We did the same with US birthing system and now the is doors are nearly closed, we turned our attention to Canada and Brazil with the same dishonest way.

Let me say this for few fair minded ones here.

I’m not against citizenship by birth, I’m against people doing it fraudulently.

Obviously you don’t understand what the word “fraudulent” means and you are fraudulently abusing a word you have no idea about. Educate yourself my fraudulent friend lol

Giving birth in Brazil not only guarantees your child a Brazilian citizenship, it guarantees both parents an immediate permanent residence and citizenship to parents after staying in Brazil for just a year. This is indeed the fastest way of acquiring both permanent visas and citizenship. Ordinarily, it can take a person up to 15 years of living in Brazil to get such privileges.

Some people may not be happy with that because they went the difficult route. Well... such is life. Some get it easy while some have to struggle. Just be happy for your fellow brother or sister.

So far as, the Brazilian law doesn’t see giving birth in Brazil illegal, who am i to declare it a crime. You can make all the arguments you want but sorry the law is the law. Dear subscribers, do not give up and remember, you are not doing anything illegal period.

Peace

MrBrownJay1:
wasn't it obvious that The gov of Brazil would clamp down on the birth tourism loophole thingy?!

As much as anybody is entitled to emergency free healthcare (don't ever believe/think that you can get a heart/kidney transplant etc while on a tourist visa), it's a fraudulent act because the Brazilian taxpayers are footing the bill.



The person could still be refused entry if/when immigration officer discovers she is pregnant, thus gave a misleading and/or inadequate pregnancy test to acquire her tourist visa.

Yes you are right but it is highly unlikely that someone will be denied entry at the point of entry in Brazil after obtaining a visa. You may be referring to the US but if you have been in Brazil and understand how the Brazilian society works, you will know that Brazil and the US are 2 different societies.

And as a matter of fact, one does not commit any crime to enter Brazil pregnant with a visa that was issued when the person was not pregnant. The person did not tell any lie at the time of the visa application.

Let me make a point here... Brazil respects pregnant women a lot. This can be seen from special lane created for pregnant women at the airport, buses and grocery stores. Let’s stop making it look like being pregnant is a crime guys. Cheers

Samuelsoma:
I just thought of an Alternative now guys for people that are still interested in giving birth in Brazil, probably it could work out. Before the woman gets pregnant she can apply for brazil tourist visa, at least when they do the pregnancy test it will read negative, then after getting the tourist visa which is most times one year but you are expected to travel within 90 days from the day of issuance and some embassies will tell you 90days from the day you enter brazil (decision is left to the various embassies tho) you can just go spend like two weeks there and come back to naija, then you now get pregnant and still within the one year you now finally travel back to give birth to your baby. i think that is a good alternative, it all depends on if you have the money to travel twice.
Cheers

Brilliant idea. I love people who think about solutions. Cheers

MrBrownJay1:
wasn't it obvious that The gov of Brazil would clamp down on the birth tourism loophole thingy?!

As much as anybody is entitled to emergency free healthcare (don't ever believe/think that you can get a heart/kidney transplant etc while on a tourist visa), it's a fraudulent act because the Brazilian taxpayers are footing the bill.




The person could still be refused entry if/when immigration officer discovers she is pregnant, thus gave a misleading and/or inadequate pregnancy test to acquire her tourist visa.

I really don’t understand what you mean by fraudulent? So far as i know, there is no law against obtaining free medical care on any visa. You may suggest that it may be morally wrong and encourage people to use private care instead but fraudulent is the wrong word to use. Choose your words carefully. Cheers

Samuelsoma:
ohhh! that so sad, i suspected that as well cos I am fully aware of some countries that have started carrying out pregnancy test as far back as 3yeaars ago at their brazil embassies, but never knew they would start so soon in Nigeria. However,guys here is an eye opener, as an alternative you can consider giving birth in Chile or Argentina (both also in South America as Brazil). As at 29th March 2019(wikipedia), Chilean passport is the 14th strongest in the world and Chile passport is one of the only three passports in the world that is visa free to USA and Canada, the other two are Brunei and South Korea Passports. Chile also offers Citizenship by birth to any child born there. Also Argentina offers citizenship by birth to any child born there and argentina shares same border with Brazil. So guys you can consider those two countries as well as their passports are in the top 20 strongest passports in the world for your child.
Cheers

Thanks Samuelsoma for the alternatives. It is very helpful. Just an addition. Chile gives citizenship by birth but there is a condition that has to be met. That is at least one parent must be a resident at the time of the birth. So if you give birth on a tourist visa, your child will not acquire the nationality. I considered giving birth there but this discouraged me.

Argentina on the other hand gives unconditional citizenship. Cheers

peppo4live:
Thanks for the response

Thank you

peppo4live:
I have been following your beautiful comments here...
Please, Do you have an idea on how work visa can be processed from naija?

Thank you very much peppo4live. Unfortunately, I don’t know much about work visa. I am sure people here who have experience in this will help. Thank you

mrsbw:
Hello.

Is there any rule about entering Brazil within 90 days of receipt of visa for Nigeria? I think I saw something like that online

Yes you have to enter Brazil within 90 days of receipt of the visa.

I like to be more optimistic. It is important to note that, the challenges of obtaining a Brazilian visa just like Nigerians applying for any other visa has nothing to do with giving birth in Brasil. Typically, any other country applying for a Brazilian visa is dealt with at the embassy level except Central African Republic, Nigeria, North Korea, Senegal whose visa application is sent to the Brazilian Ministry of Foreign Affairs for approval in Brasilia. I kind of understood why they have to do this when i got to Brasil and met many of my fellow Nigerians.

Birth tourism is not yet a big problem in Brazil. In fact there is no law that states that it is illegal. I was told all kinds of barriers will be awaiting me in my adventure to give my child a better passport. Some people may focus on the negative and challenging part which may sometimes be discouraging. Good things don't come easy. Well... people are traveling to give birth in Brazil everyday. You either seat and focus on the negative thoughts or you rise above the challenges and do like i did.

Cheers

folmus:
It is not a case of showing o, based on what I was told. It's the instruction given from MoFA from Brazil: to do pregnancy test

Ohk. Thanks for the update.

folmus:
Update:

The visas were not approved because of the pregnancy.

Thanks. This is sad and i sympathize with them.

It is always best to apply for visa when not yet showing to avoid trouble.

Graceee:
Do I need an invitation letter to secure a tourist visa or can I just do a reservation?

You don’t necessarily need an invitation letter. A hotel booking will do. Thanks

Graceee:
My dear I understand your explanation. You are wonderfully created by God.
Thank you very much

Welcome. I’m humbled. Stay blessed.

Graceee:
Please does Brazilian embassy issues tourist visa up to 2 yrs like us??
what's is the maximum visa validity for brazil??

Hi Graceee. I will break your question into 2 parts for a better explanation. There is 1. The validity of the Visa and 2. The amount of time you can stay in Brazil withing 1 year.

1. The validity of the Visa

To the best of my knowledge, the validity of a Brazilian visa can rage from 1 month to 10 years. Factors determining the validity of the visa ranges from reciprocal agreement between your country and Brazil for example USA and Brazil issue 10 year visas to each other citizens. For most countries, visa are issued for 1 year. You can also be issued a 1 month visa if the visa officer has reasons to suspect the motive of your travel. (Please note that even with all this, the visa officer has the power to modify the validity even with country agreements). This is not common.

2. The amount of time you can stay in Brazil withing 1 year

No matter the validity of your visa, you are not permitted to stay in Brazil for more than 180 days withing 1 year. (90 days and extension for another 90 days while in Brazil). Of course if your visa is valid for 1 months, you can only stay for a month. This case is very rear. The only exception to the 180 day rule is with EU citizen who enter Brazil visa free but cannot stay for more than 90 days in 1 year.

I hope your question was answered. Thanks