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Financial Management while giving birth in Brazil

Hello guys. I just taught of something very important and would like to share.

Please do not exchange your money into dollars in Nigeria with the aim of exchanging hard currency while in Brazil. Do not take physical Niara either. This is because the Brazilian government charges a 10% fee on all physical currencies exchange. This basically means that you will be losing 10% of your entire money.

Instead, get a bank card from your bank and have all your money in there. Also, almost everyone (even the coconut seller on the street) accepts credit or debit card in Brazil. Your can pay for goods and services this way including your medical bills. This way you avoid the 10% charge on hard currency exchange. (Of course you may pay bank charges from your bank) but much better than the 10% tax. I was a victim of this and don’t want you to be one. Cheers

Sboye:
Ok thanks a bunch

Welcome and i wish you all the best in your visa application.

Sboye:
Thank you for responding to my message. I have searched online and I even tried calling but no response.
Then again I'm worried about the language barrier how do I communicate with them. Not sure if they have English speaking customer service personnel in those hospitals

Hello Sboye. For accommodation, please try Airbnb. There is a feature on the Airbnb website to request accommodation from host who speak English. Airbnb owners are in most cases very nice and helpful. This is how you break the language barriers in Brazil. My Airbnb owner was my translator for everything.

Cheers

KAYSEE8686:
Hello @adjo. You seem quite knowledgeable in this journey. Pls i want to know if its difficult to get a visa, what you need to secure a tourists visa and d possibility if getting a job on a tourist visa. Im trying to prepare my mind for the journey ahead. Im not pregnant yet but wont mind a baby being my ticket to PR.

Hi KAYSEE8686 thanks. Most of your questions have been answered in the thread. I try sharing them but dont know how the share function works on Nairaland. It will be nice if you can start from the beginning. Folmus also just answered them. Thanks

justwise:
You are misleading people here and giving them false hope, you can be refused a visa even after meeting all requirements

Also take your time to read my post. I think the English is simple enough. Of course you can be denied a visa after meeting all the requirements. That is not what i implied.

justwise:
You are misleading people here and giving them false hope, you can be refused a visa even after meeting all requirements

Hey justwise. I do not wish to engage in a debate with you. You can agree or disagree with what i wrote. I am not forcing it down your throat. You are of course entitle to you opinion and people on this platform are free to investigate whatever is being said here.

folmus:
@Adjo10, do you mind telling us the year you gave birth? Sorry if you have mentioned it before.

no problem. I gave birth in 2019. And i have a Nigerian friend who got her visa last week. Thanks

Clarification of certain things based on my personal experience. Stand to be corrected

1. Being pregnant does not disqualify you from obtaining a Brazilian visa so far as your stated intention matches that of the visa category being applied for. For example: tourist visa-for tourism and education visa-for education

2. Unlike the US (under medical treatment visa), There is no visa category for giving birth in Brazil. So if you apply for a tourist visa which is meant for tourism and state that your purpose for applying for the visa is to give birth, the immigration officer has no other option than to deny you the visa even if you show all the money in the world and tell them you want to give birth in a private hospital. There is just no visa category for you so you will be denied. This may work for the US but remember, US is US and Brazil is Brazil.

3. If you are pregnant and showing and apply for a tourist visa and convince the visa officer that your intention is for tourism and meet all the requirement, then there is no reason to deny you.

4. If you manage to enter with a tourist visa, you will not be denied medical care in Brazil in both public and private hospitals. When your baby is born in Brazil, the constitution guarantees your child Brazilian citizenship and a passport no matter the parents, nationality, visa status or the type of visa they use to enter the country. The constitution also states that parents of a Brazilian child cannot be expelled from Brazil no matter the reason. This means that the immigration office (Police Federal) has no choice than to grant you a permanent residency even if you came to the country with a tourist visa.

ADVICE

Apply for your visa before you start showing to avoid any problem. The most important thing is to enter the country. Your baby will be Brazilian even if you overstay your visa (I am not promoting overstay). I am just making a point. If you are already pregnant and showing, do not lie about it when asked just do not tell them your purpose is to go and give birth. Although it is advisable to apply when not showing.

Hope this was helpful. Cheers

Sboye:
Please can you suggest a private hospital for me in Belo horizonte and florianopolis. I have submitted my Visa application to the Brazilian embassy already although not in person cos am really showing so just in cas I'm been called for an interview want to be prepared cos I don't intend using public healthcare. Thanks

Hello Sboye. I pray your visa application goes on smoothly. Unfortunately i am not familiar with any private hospital in Belo horizonte and florianopolis. I did not give birth in these two cities. I however suggest you check online and i am sure names of hospitals will pop up. Thanks

folmus:
No, tourist visa, not family reunion o.

Wow thank you for the information. This is an extreme case. I pray it does not happen to anyone else on this platform. Amen

folmus:
I have always admired your comments with your caveats: "i am not an expert, I am only expressing my thoughts, we are always learning" Thats a paraphrase of your caveat. However, on this one, perhaps you forgot that by claiming my findings are (at bold), you even used extreme adjective " absolutely" to disprove my comment. You were even sure it's 200% false (correcting your typo) info. Haba!!!



If I were you, I would evaluate the claim I made. I said someone didn't come back to update us. You didn't talk about it. Your last statement negated all your submission.

You would notice, I have asked you questions in the past about a safe place to have a baby. If I don't have anyone interested, I will not ask you anything.

Just like you, she applied outside of Nigeria with her husband and kids.The husband went with their applications as the sponsor. But they only accepted his own and said the wife has to be there physically. She went last week Monday with the kids. No interview. They did biometrics and were even advised about safety and security measures while in Brazil. In fact, they were asked to come pick up their visa after 5 working days once they get a go ahead from Brazil. However, there was a public holiday from Tuesday. They were given collection papers to come on 13th May for their visa. But on Sunday, the husband was called from the embasssy and was told they got a mail from Brazil that the wife needs to do medical test. So what's fasle info here. If I could remember vividly, someone alluded to preg tests in the previous pages, may be you or someone else, not sure.

Yes, you were never asked. Remember, your baby might be 1 or 2 years old now.

I rest my case

Hey folmus thanks for the update. I am very sorry if my language sounded harsh. Your update has indeed provided us with new information that I didn’t know about and thank you for that. In fact, I don’t know much and am learning a lot from posts here.

Do you think they probably applied for a family reunion visa instead of a tourist visa? I know in this case they may be required for a med test which is not necessary a pregnancy test. Some times one can mistakenly apply for the wrong visa.

I know a Nigerian friend who went for her tourist visa just last week and was not asked for a pregnancy test. But of course every situation may be different. Thank you very much folmus.

Cheers

folmus:
So this is my findings: and perhaps why @Logachev has refused to update us. It seems Justwise has the precognition of doors closing:

Any female applying for a tourist visa is mandated to do pregnancy test Note: you won't be asked when you submit your documents. You will be called after you've paid and submitted everything as requested from the Ministry of foreign Affairs from Brazil.

Can you give us the source of your information? I am tempted to say this is absolutely not true but maybe you have a source that I don’t know of. I was never required to do such test and in fact, no embassy can request for such thing. Unless you provide a source, i can confirm right now that this is 200% falls info. I am open to learning so please give us a source. Thanks

Logachev:
OK house...so I travelled to Lagos last month and submitted an application for Brazil tourist visa at the Consulate. My wife is pregnant but we did it nicely that it didn't show a bit. We had a nice chat with the VO and he said we would get a mail informing us to come pick our passports soonest. He said if we weren't available, we could detail someone to pick up for us provided we inform the consulate prior...and all. Howbeit, I had to travel last weekend and I informed a friend in Lekki that he would do the pick up for us when the time comes. Now I have received a mail form the Consulate inviting us for an interview. I don't know if this is an invitation to pick up our passports or another round of VO interview. Mind you every single document submitted was authentic and original so I'm not worried of any such incident. I just want to confirm if this email title is meant to be invitation for collection of passport or not

Hi Logachev,

I suggest you call the consulate to clarify things. It also depends on the content of the email. The best advice i can give is to make a call to the consulate or respond to the email and ask them for clarification. Thanks

folmus:
Thanks for your suggestions.

Welcome

folmus:
Could you recommend a safer city and a private hospital for someone who only wants to have the baby and leave immediately?

Florianópolis, Campo Grande, Belo Horizonte, Palmas. Sao Paulo and Brasilia are also safe but avoid them if you want to live the country early. The bureaucracy is insanely slow because they are populated. Any private hospital in the first 4 cities mentioned should be good. Stay in the state capitals and not other cities because all paperwork are done in the state capitals. Thanks

Ifexontop:
thanks for your time I would like me and my wife to visit Brazil on a visiting visa for her to give birth in the country. But my concern is can i get a hussling job i we be doing to put food on the table for both of us before she give birth?

Hey Ifexontop giving birth in Brazil is a wonderful idea and choice and you are making the right decision. Unfortunately, you are not allowed to work on your tourist visa. Violating this rule could compromise your permanent residency application. Even if you still want to go ahead, it is extremely difficult (not impossible) to get a job that can maintain you and you family without a proper visa and Portuguese language. For anyone planning to give birth in Brazil, i will advice that your get all your finances together back home before coming to Brazil. After all public hospitals are totally free. Use the period of giving birth as a holiday, learn the language and explore opportunities. after your child is born, you can use your permanent residency to look for a job. Sorry but i need to tell things as it is so you know what to expect.

Thanks

I think we should be informed rightly so people make they right decision and have right expectations. I’m not an expert. I comment on only what I know and clearly state in my responses if I don’t know something.

adigunomomama:
Yes, if they are above 5 years they will get the RNE (Permanent Residence) but 5 years below will get Naturalize (Brazil Passport)

Note - Delivery is free in Brazil to any kind or form of Delivery, IT IS TOTAL FREE OF CHARGE

And education is free as well to any level, even to superior (University level)

I attended two different free language schools and they still pay me the transport to go to school

Oh Brazil.... Uma Pais Para Tudo

I love Brazil

God Bless Brazil

Hey Adigu,

Please check your information again. I think you probably mean the old law before 2017. Siblings of a Brazilian child get Permanent residence irrespective of the age. Unless of course they are also born in Brazil. After living in Brazil for one uninterrupted year, all siblings and parents can apply for Brazilian citizenship and passport.

Thanks

ceysaga:
When one marries a brazillian, how long will it take to get permanent residence/citizenship?

Marrying a Brazilian is the same rule as giving birth to a Brazilian child. You get the permanent residence on the same day you apply if all your documents are in order. You are given a document called protocol which states that you are a permanent resident. The physical card comes in about 3 months after your application.

adigunomomama:
You are wrong about the penalty of overstay, it is not 100 reais, it's 800 reais before or less but now it has been changed to 10,000 reais that's almost a million naira.

It will be on your CPF number, and I know many Nigerians that is living with the 800 reais and they don't have any problem with it.

The only way to change your status is to give birth or married a Brazilian before your visa expires or you claim asylum. If you claim asylum they will give you one year stay, we call it protocol and if you give birth, both parent get 10 years residence permit or permanent residence which they call RNE and the baby will get a Brazilian Passport.

Hey Adigu,

Thanks for your comment. I however think we should inform everyone on this platform with facts and not jump to condemn information.

A new immigration law was introduced in Brazil in late 2017. It changed many things including the fines for overstaying from Rs 8 a day to Rs 100 a day for a maximum of 100 days. Obviously, your information is based on the old law and a quick online search which will still be quoting the old fines. Many immigration laws in Brazil can be unclear due to the changes. I am speaking from the new law and experience so i will not say you are wrong. I will simply say your information is outdated but thanks.

Like you said, the total fine should be a maximum of 10,000 which comes back to what i said, Rs 100 per day for a maximum of 100 days. 100 times 100 is Rs 10,000. So i guess we are all saying the same.

Let all note that if you overstay, you will be asked by the police federal to pay the fines while applying for the permanent residence. The fine will not be ignored. I don’t know about asylum application but for permanent residence application based on a Brazilian child, you will pay.

Thanks

Ajokeomo:
Hello Adjo10,

Thank you for your support on this thread so far, God bless you. I am planning to do my application this month, I know that they typically grant 90 days visa for which you can extend your stay for another 90 days but I’ve seen them grant some people just 30 days starting from date of issue. I’m hoping that is not the case for me because I want to be able to stay and get my antenatal care till my baby comes in Nov. My question is if granted 30 days Visa, can I still stay foy for that long? Is there a possibility of visa renewal while there? Thank you.

Hey Ajokeomo,

I pray for God’s guidance in making your application successful.

First of all note that, your immigration status doesn’t affect your baby’s nationality in any way. So wether you overstay your visa or not, so far as your baby is born in Brazil, he or she is Brazilian.

Secondly, most Brazilian visas are extendable in Brazil except those who have visa free entry to Brazil. Unless your visa explicitly states that it cannot be extended, you can easily extend it in Brazil.

Even if it states that it cannot be extended, you can still overstay and pay the overstay penalty of Rs 100 ($25) per day for a maximum of 100 days.

My advice will be not to worry. The most important thing is to get in. Even if you have a 2 day visa, it is still possible to stay and give birth.

Logachev:
I met a Brazilian lady in Russia who told me that Brazil is very unsafe, poor economic conditions bla bla bla. Me I was very positive about my country towards her. I'm just so worried that insecurity has been highlighted about that county in and out. I am planning on having Brazilian kids because of the obvious benefits but this chorusing of insecurity about a country really worries me

Every country is safe and unsafe depending on how you want to look at it and on the person presenting it. If Brazil was that unsafe, why will the entire EU and Europe including Russia allow Brazilian citizens visa free entry? Well... it can’t be that bad. Even the USA has places that have some of the worst crime rates in the world. Hope she knows that. I also hope she knows that many Russian women travel to Brazil to give birth.

It’s all about perspective....

urstruly1:
Sorry guys...

This was my question...



Could you recommend any of these smaller and safe cities that you can recommend please? And also hospitals maybe..




Will be highly appreciated.


Thanks alot.

Thanks. It all depends on many factors. Do you want to give birth in Brazil and leave immediately? Meaning you have very little time or you want to give birth, stay immediately and look for opportunities?

If you have very little time then please target the state capitals with the exception of Rio, São Paulo and Salvador. Any other state capital should be fine. (You will find the list of state capitals online). The reason why I recommend state capitals is because all the paperwork are done there and you will save some time by being at the capital instead of cities around. I took Rio, São Paulo and Salvador off the list because they are very populated and administration can be very slow.

If you have time or want to stay after birth then you have a wide variety of cities to choose. Unfortunately, you will have to do the research for a city that suits your taste. Trust me, with over 500 cities to choose, you will get one that suits your taste. If you ask for my personal taste then i will go for cities like Blumenau, Joinville or Curitiba for being one of the safest in Brazil in my opinion.

Unfortunately I cannot recommend hospitals since i know and gave birth in only one but most private hospitals in Brazil are of high quality so you can go basically anywhere. Public hospitals can be nice or average depending on the city. For public hospitals, target less crowded cities like Curitiba or Florianópolis.

Bless

justwise:
This is how you people kill a thread, its now about private conversation.

I agree justwise. I think the questions had both element of generalization and private. I think the general ones could be asked and addressed here. Let’s keep the thread alive.

Hello urstruly1 and Gosina. I have replied to your emails and answered your questions. Thanks

urstruly1:
Hi Adjo10...

Thanks for all the enlightening info you put on here.

Do you mind me emailing you to ask some questions pls.

Will really appreciate it.

Hello urstruly,

No problem at all. Can you send me your email address? Thanks

If your purpose is to give birth in Brazil and this is your first time, i will highly advise not to go for accommodation that is in a super cheap area. For your own safety, that of your wife and unborn baby, please pay a little bit more to make life comfortable for your family. At least for that period. After you get your papers and you know Brazil well, then you can live the way you want. Very cheap areas are mostly not safe for foreigners and for your unborn baby, the risk of Zika is high. Please and please, sacrifice a little more to be a happy family at the end. (My own take)

Fallawx:
We know just come Nairaland come rant . We do the real talking about Brazil . That’s my daughter school uniform. It’s all for free . Free education , free food and free milk . We only pay for school bus . .

Nice one Fallawx. You will be of great help to this platform.

shakol91:
thanks for your advice,i plan to submit SOA of #4.2M I think this is not too small. I've checked their website but couldn't find the list of required documents. Pls can you share with me the list of documents you used for your application.

Hello Shakol. Unfortunately, i did not apply through Nigeria but there are other people here who did. I think it will be best if they can help. We need to help each other. Thanks.