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IAmSabrina:
This question simply cannot be answered. The meaning of the word "before" requires that it be within the context of time. "Before time" has no coherent meaning. Slightly better usage might be "outside of time" but this suffers from the fact that time is essentially inseparable from space. To say something is outside of spacetime is also incoherent.

There is also no need to explain the existence of God in or out of spacetime until there is some tangible evidence of his existence.

It is possible, and arguably valid, to say that both existence outside of spacetime and the existence of God are imaginary constructs so we are free to imagine them as coexistent. Even if we can't actually imagine either of them meaningfully.

Alariiwo:
When Oil price falls and has no value.. you and your people will start drinking it, using it to lubricate your women's pvssies.

Yorubas have the seas and oceans for the future of energy - Renewable Energy.

Nonsense!

OpenYourEyes1:
"Little science takes you away from GOD but more of it takes you to Him." ~

Louis Pasteur

the founder of microbiology and immunology

johnydon22:
Lol. Now let's see if it is not a false equivalence.

Pray tell my good man, discribe to me the existential quality of thunder and morality

I will wait.

And again, confirming my initial accusation you don't even understand what we are discussing here, in fact most of you here don't.

Johnydon have not made any claim regarding morality as something that comes from God (I myself is an atheist) in fact this is demonstrated in the very comment you asked me a question regarding the moral nature of suicide, there was no God in my answer.

My argument simply is, that morality for a theist (theologically) is a deductive exercise with God as it's utmost assumption.

Duductive arguments simply goes like this: If A is like this then B is a logical conclusion.

Interpreted thus: On the assumption that God (A universal authority) exists then morality must be inherent to the universe therefore is an objective quality.

You can however only argue that God doesn't exist which by the way remains to be seen, but you cannot deny the logically sound deductive approach of this argument which on the other hand secular morality doesn't follow or borrows basis from.

I sincerely hope i do not need to address your inability to understand this argument again

Interpreted thus: On the assumption that Thor (A climate authority) exists then thunder must be inherent to the climate therefore is an objective quality.

You can however only argue that Thor doesn't exist which by the way remains to be seen, but you cannot deny the logically sound deductive approach of this argument which on the other hand weather analysis doesn't follow or borrows basis from.

I sincerely hope i do not need to address your inability to understand this argument again

johnydon22:
Yes, because it is a job for me to handhold everyone and explain every minute detail that i have gone over several times, i should re-explain it because they don't understand it.

Thank you my good man, that's a good employment

MuttleyLaff:
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I very much want and desperately need you, to show where the Bible, calls God evil because unless you are more confused than a chameleon dropped into a bag of skittles, I know you, wouldnt ordinarily make such a flippant comment like that

MuttleyLaff:
Yep I know that exasperated expression and that's why I empathise with you.
Surely, if only more christians, properly read their bibles, there'd be less christians, isnt it?

MuttleyLaff:
You are what you are and I dont hold what you are against you. I dont take it personal with you what you are, but I wont hesistate to squash and/or crush you under my feet, the moment you trespass on me and all that I hold dearly to.

Respect to you. It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

God is an exception to this rule of yours.

I dont know where you currently live so I am sorry to be the one telling you that in saner societies, your will be deemed brutality, as in, an excessive force and an unjustified use of force for that matter too

PS, you corrected shouting to shooting, but still, if you are not a licensed gun holder, you can still, at the least, be made culpable for your retaliatory though defensive action. Remember you dont necessarily aim to kill, but rather you aim to demobilise or disarm and then get yourself out of harm in to safety

You and I know that the devil and you, quoting bible understandably well, isnt any of your strong points, so why not leave quoting bible alone and just stick to what you are good and best at doing, huh?

The person you are quoting from in Ecclesiattes 6:2, made that comment coming from a human being's perspective and one who was subjective, so what's new. Besides, the better rendition of that word is, tragedy, disagreeable, displeasure and/or calamity

When goodness is withdrawn, evil emanates from there, I am sure you know that much. Satan, your head honcho, itself knows this, first hand.

MuttleyLaff:
When are you going to climb down from your moral high horse huh?
And what else again now are you bleating about?
Do you know what happened to them after the judgement? No, I didnt think so
Was it right for the Egyptians to continue to condemn the Israelites to slavery and perpetually oppress, abuse and mistreat them?
Is that morally right, huh?

MuttleyLaff:
You are not making any point at all, what you are doing is failing to see the point that Pharaoh knows that that when two elephants fight, it is the grass that is at the receiving end, he ought to have learned not use small hands to get and have bigger hands smack in the face. If Pharaoh had conceded, none of this would have happened. It is because of Pharaoh's hardened heart that judgement visited the first borns of the land who happened to have not had blood displayed on their house's door lintel

I am sure you're familiar and fully understand the meaning and implication of the phrase "guilty by association"?

MuttleyLaff:
You fail to realise that what you've mistaken to be an evil act actually and in the real sense is judgement. No one is claiming moral superiority and sitting on a moral high horse here better than you and your philosophical others lot, like johnydon22 etcetera

As I've earlier on this thread said, it takes becoming a god to knowing good and evil.
Evil, afterall, comes from the abuse and/or misuse of free will.

MuttleyLaff:
C'mon now, you know and I know, it is God's prerogative to do what He for whatever reason(s) do

The morality in it, is that watch your words because it might turn round to come bite you in the arse and dont throw stones if you leave in a glasshouse

MuttleyLaff:
Slow clapping applause.
I cant believe you've allowed yourself to be tricked into believing something that is not just so untrue but also believing something you didnt really in the first place at all understand. If the devil sure gets the bible upside down and the other way round, then it's junior most commissioned officers can be forgiven when they do same too

This is a self inflicted judgement, brought upon the Egyptians who for 430 years plus have condemn the Israelites to slavery, oppressed, abused and mistreated them when their king, Pharaoh, told Moses to the face:
"Depart from me and make sure you never see my face again, for on the day you see my face, you will die."

Pharaoh, at these menacing words at Moses, virtually signed the death warrant for all the first borns in the land of Egypt, whether humans or animals. The die was cast, Pharaoh sealed the first borns' fate and set things motion in the spiritual realm with those threatening words at Moses.

jesusjnr:
Yeah! Thanks to him, another Satan zombie bite the dust!

johnydon22:
Dude, i am not going to continue explaining things that are simply out of your own inability to grasp intricate philosophical or even logical matters.

This is not an elementary school.

Jesus Effing Christ!

johnydon22:
Yes.

johnydon22:
Hahahahaha that you believe this in anyway an equivalence of the argument here means you don't even know what we have been talking about here.

Blood of Zachariah

jesusjnr:
Yeah you are not afraid to lie I must say being the Satan zombie that you are.

A least you can clearly see that you can't intimidate me with something that my God created and not your god Satan who is in only in charge of the lies that he created.

Your zombistically blasphemously intended liar questions are so worthy of a response from me that i'm so tremblingly and fearingly refusing to give them any attention, that a worthless question from a Satan zombie deserves.

Maybe you should revert to your other failed strategy of the language which you started with, at least it succeeded in the fact that It didn't expose the extent of your zombism to my understanding then, even though it proved yet as powerless and toothless as your master and you his zombie are where I am.

johnydon22:
Quoting a single sentence out of context is a poor straw-man.

johnydon22:
LOL. You play too much.

Morality: principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour.

Anything else? The definition of morality furthers our argument even more.

johnydon22:
LOL anyone intellectually honest or with a good grasp of philosophy would understand the theological argument of morality and why it is quite superior.

You don't need to be a theist to realise a good argument when you see one.

MuttleyLaff:
Using a "get out of jail" card and what in the trade is called executing the weasel out of popular contingency clause.



Yeah, let's go there. Where and what is the so called African babies God allegedly killing all about?

jesusjnr:
You mean like Satan being inside your zombie lies?

vaxx:
Then ask a bible theologians. they are lot of them here. i am not a christain, so don't rope me with what i am less concern.

johnydon22:
therefore in the real sense there is no morality.

vaxx:
pls enough . i only answer what you request for.and if that by any way buttress your point. then it shows you are not aware of your initial argument.

dalass:
What am I thankful for?.
1. Am alive. For a living dog is better than a dead lion.
2. My family and friends...I feel blessed
3. Though there are still challenges, its all part of life....Lamentations 3:15
Add yours...What are you thankful for this first Sunday of this new month?

vaxx:
lol. you failed to grasp common knolwedge, how much of advance one. anyway peace.

jesusjnr:
Breasts, Pen!s, Nipples, Hips, Ovaries, Sperm, Scrotum, Uterus, Vagina, Testicles, Ova, Vulva, Hymen, Clitoris, buttocks and em, em...

Yeah as I told you my God created them all, and it was very good in His sight.

So talk about the only madness that Satan your master created which is lies(lust)!