₦airaland Forum

nihilistjnr:
All the Muslims are like that... especially those Somali boys.

Once you see a Somali guy in your team, you know that you guys are going to fight, because these mofos no dey ever pass the ball.

That's true o. I just remember one Somali winger too. He would want to dribble everybody including the goal post. He wouldn't even look your side after fumbling.

Ibime:
I was the opposite when I played striker. I liked them to hit me straight away with long ball or channel ball, let me do the dribbling straight to goal. My favourite team mate was our right-back cos when he get the ball, it's straight ball down the channel.

Meanwhile we had one skillful Moroccan boy in midfield. Anytime he plays, they would just be enjoying themselves playing pam-pam passes in midfield wasting my time while I'm waiting for ball. I'd rather you give me a 50:50 ball every two minutes than try to give me a clean ball every 10 minutes

Morrocans like to showboat a lot in the midfield. I played with some of them when i was in Dubai. They were annoying with the ball. They actually told me Okocha was their best Nigerian player, because of his bag of tricks.

My style of play is like Martins', but i will say i could dribble more than him as i started as a right winger.

Before i leave nairaland, i will drop one gif of one of my goals.

simonjassy:
You said it can't be faulted because it is not "criminal" that it is a religious practice.
I only joined the convo to explain to you that something being a religious activity does not exclude it from being or not being a crime.Butressing my point i.e criminality is determined by the "laws of the land" rather than religious activities, except in cases where the religion is the law (theocracy) ,by using the killing of twins as an example.I apologise if i have caused any misunderstanding.
Though,it is a religious practice,it was "criminalized"

I didnt say this.

Some rituals in traditional religion, require human blood. I will be foolish to say they are not criminal.

What i said was that we could fault killing of twins, because it was criminal, unlike Tithing.

popizaino:
Just like you I Very much appreciate dribblers cus every football player can do the basic things like pass,control,head,cross but as basic as dribbling his only few footballers are gifted with such skills.

Exactly. If you dribble an opponent in a vital area, you have given your team a crucial numerical advantage.

Pele, Maradona, Messi, C. Ronaldo, say no more.

simonjassy:
that does not change the fact that what determines the criminality of an action are the laws of the land (constitution).
It is a crime to drive a dirty car in Russia,but here in Nigeria many vehicles that are not roadworthy ply the roads.
Hope You Get The Point.

We were actually addressing why tithe couldnt be faulted, the way killing twins would be. Refer to my earlier convo with Dayo, to understand the origin and my point.

simonjassy:
I beg to differ,killing of twins at one point in the history of nigeria was not criminal,but it is today.
criminality is determined by the laws of the land and not some religious tenet,except in a theocracy.

Don't take us to 1800s, when there was no federation called Nigeria, operating using a constitution.

We are talking about things happening now, so we can't bring things that stopped, almost 2000 yrs ago.

airmark:
You are always forgetful.

Below was your question, after likening killing of twins to collecting tithes.



Where are they killing twins now, to start with? You would just bring unreasonable things. No pastor should do what is against the law of the land. Tithing is a religious belief that is not criminal, by law. So it shouldn't be faulted and called a fraud.

larride:
What we need from them is to protect their border. That’s all.

What they told Nigeria is to protect Nigeria, and they will protect their country, since Nigeria have refused to take over the seized Boko haram territories.

Are you saying we dont have wherewithal to stop any invasion from Chad?

larride:
When I was telling airmark that Chad is just playing to the gallery, he thinks I’m joking. That’s the way Chad has always been behaving till BKH attached their base in Bohoma.

Let them withdraw now, you will start hearing about BKH/ISWAP launching attacks and fleeing into Chad when the military are on the offensive. No be today.

So you want a Chad that dont have the financial muscle, to keep hold of territories they seized from boko haram, so as to continue to bleed financially for an unserious Nigeria? No sane president will do that for Nigeria.

I had told you that Chad needed cash from Nigeria, as it can easily be seen that without them we are paper tiger to boko haram. They want to be to us, what Usa is to Qatar, defence-wise.

I won't blame them. You use what you have to get what you lack.

izzou:
[color=royalblue] Raumdeuter, let me just drop these two stories here. They are the experiences of two people I know...One is my uncle, the other is a colleague where I worked. I actually did not believe them sha, but it did happen to them. So whether I believe or not doesn't matter. It did work
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I have this uncle of mine. He's the richest in my extended family. He imports in one of the markets in Lagos. In fact, he's a known name in that market. A multimillionaire to be specific.

This man is religious and so believes in tithing. To the extent that his sales girls must calculate his tithes from every day's sales and pay it in the bank that day. If they make any sale after they've paid, they will add it to the next day. He has a particular bank account for his tithes.

Now me, I'm not a consistent tither. I pay when I want and if I want. But when I discuss with my uncle. He tells me

"If you know where and what tithing has done and taken me to, you won't ask me to stop"

So what should I do? Argue with him that it's a lie? It's his experience. It's his testimony. I don't believe in it doesn't change the fact that he saw something in it.

Second story

In my previous place of work, one of the secretaries was my friend. We talked and all that. So one day, we were discussing about spirituality, and I said I don't believe in Witchcraft ( truly o don't). S

She laughed and told me I know nothing. She told me her story. She has only one child: a girl. She was barren for 17 years....17 good years. There was no form of healthcare they didn't try, but they could find nothing. They even tried surrogacy but it failed.

Until one day, a relative called for her and started confessing of how she is the cause of her not giving birth. And pleaded for forgiveness. The next year, she gave birth. She had her only child at the age of 43. Showed me pics and everything

So do I argue with her? Or .......

I didn't believe in Witchcraft, but here was someone it happened to.

Like I said, because you don't believe in something doesn't make it false. Let everybody do what they feel works for them

This life sometimes cannot be explained[/color]

Thanks for sharing this.

raumdeuter:
This is simple logic fail again
Both are compared because they are beliefs not by legality

So if we are talking about celebrities and I compare Ronaldo to Beyonce, next thing you will ask is how many Grammy has Ronaldo won or how many balon dor can Beyonce dribble

You are always forgetful.

Below was your question, after likening killing of twins to collecting tithes.

raumdeuter:
There are those who believe twins should be killed because they bring ill luck. Should that not be faulted also?

Anyone can believe anything but some can be faulted

Just like those who believed 5G caused Corona were faulted

Where are they killing twins now, to start with? You would just bring unreasonable things. No pastor should do what is against the law of the land. Tithing is a religious belief that is not criminal, by law. So it shouldn't be faulted and called a fraud.

raumdeuter:
No one is talking about legality here. Its challenging the belief that giving tithes and sowing seeds in churches lead to financial increase.

Do you have evidence that can be tested rigorously that it does?

You likened collecting tithes to killing of twins and explained why they were not the same.

Evidence that can be tested rigorously? Go and ask those paying tithes why they haven't stopped.

raumdeuter:
If a society believes some people are harmful to the collective wellbeing of the general population they can be justifiably killed

That is why BokoHaram or a potential suicide bomber can be shot dead without it being a crime

Boko haram have been proscribed by the state and soldiers/police are empowered by law to arrest or kill their group members.

The collection of tithes is not yet illegal, so don't juxtapose it with killing of twins or any criminal act. Until a law backs the killing of twins, it's illegal to kill them.

raumdeuter:
There are those who believe twins should be killed because they bring ill luck. Should that not be faulted also?

Anyone can believe anything but some can be faulted

Just like those who believed 5G caused Corona were faulted

Murder is a crime, in any country. It will be a crime if a pastor brings gun or knife to stab you if you dont pay tithe, then you may have a point. Stop bringing ridiculous examples to argue your point.

raumdeuter:
BS

There are many givers who lack

There are many who dont give that never lack.

Not everybody gets his riches from God.

You may be an Obatala worshipper and believes once you sacrifice (give) a ram and 7 lizards every month, you are expecting returns in cash and no need to give anybody money, before being blessed.

Beliefs differ. So you can't fault those that believe in tithes.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Airmark, my hand no dey

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Na you highlight NASA pullout. Your hand dey.

diggz:
You dey answers Ibime...lol

Ibime claims naija churches no like science then e start to vex say naija churches dey collect tithe and offerings with the same science him claim say dem no like. You don see this type thing before? Fenibeso must be sleeping overtime with those direct debits to dey misinform my guy like this

Ibime wey say juju no dey, but him dey send monthly hard currencies to his priest in Rivers state, since god-knows-when.

No pastor will force me to do what i can't do. I know what is spiritually right and wrong regarding offerings.

In fact my church give food stuff and provisions for the needies in the church and outside, every month end, from our offerings and i am ok by it.

Go to a church where the pastors are led by the spirit and not by dollars.

izzou:

Na wetin Lingard do that year be that.

Is that what they still call it on the streets?

Ibime:
You can watch the video below from 6 minute mark

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B-ofL8tAS5W/?igshid=ehagh310bso6

I would like to watch the full video, not an edited one by Sahara reporters.

Ibime:
We have Fenibeso priest on regular monthly Direct Debit. He doesn't need to worry

I think say na Fenibeso only, requires palm oil, bitter kola, fowls, cow, eggs, cowries etc, i didn't know its priest also requires monthly cash donation, before Fenibeso can work.

Ibime:
All churches have cell structure. The new twist to the cell structure during this lockdown period is how tithes and offerings will be flowing efficiently from cell structure back to the main church. Check with a Winners cell structure leader near you

Tell me that Fenibeso chief priest in your hometown, wouldn't also make adjustments, on how he operates in this corona period.

Ibime:
I am not a sheeple. You can buy those Interpol story if you want.

Any of these fraudsters that saw this coming would have long set-up a smooth tithe and offering system that would ensure their dolapo is still coming steady from members on lockdown. See Oyedepo scrambling last minute to set up cell structure after Govt announced lockdown. If he knew, he would have put these systems in place when God told him.

Send me the video link of that interpol stuff.

My point is, he claimed that God revealed something to him, you claimed it was a lie. You can't prove that he lied.

If diggz said he is in the village, and i tell you he lied. You will definitely ask me how i got to know. If i just tell you that i just know it's a lie without proving it, you will be stupid to believe me.

odizeey:
Before the world was shut down this man said the world will be like a baby convulsing this year. I read it well in his new year prophecy.

He came after the lock down and said he heard from God about this thing.


So where is your evidence of his lie? Where did he lie?

Boss. As a spiritual man, is not everything you see you will say. Even Jesus spoke in parables. That's why I was not happy with pastor Chris. You don't say everything you see.

Ibime:
So God gave him the revelation and he did not disclose because he was scared of Interpol?

The man is a liar and a fraudster.

You have no proof bro.

odizeey:
He did not lie.

I know

Ibime:
He lied

Ok

Ibime:
You are a fool if you follow an exploiter of people, and those who lie on the pulpit. As long as you dey church with an ethical pastor, no sele. Not like Adeboye that lied that God told him about Corona but he didn't want to say anything if not Interpol will arrest him

The list I put up there are all Fraudsters!

How did you know that he lied?

diggz:
Alfas nko? Are the imams not in the northern part of this country worshipping those who have stolen the common wealth of the northern masses or how do we reconcile the fact that they're doing better than the common almajiris?

Even Yorubaland the Imams do the same. The only difference is they do it lowkey. They even battle themselves, with who get money pass.

The only alfa i respect among them is Muideen Bello. He tells those politicians, musicians, the truth. Most of the rest na 'cash and carry' alfas, 'yahoo' alfas and 'babalawo' alfas.

larride:
Airmark love dribblers sha.

Na so he sneak Hazard into EPL all time 11 as if we no go notice ham.

Larride, i played as a striker and i liked to play in front of skillful midfielders and wingers who make it easier for me to open for through passes, crosses, after they have dribbled those shielding our opponents' defence.

Most strikers that know how to open up, will like to play in a team with Messi or Hazard or Sancho. Most of them have high number of chances created mainly because of their dribbling skills.

afrodoc2:
Very good list. Also the guys have dissected it well and made some good points.

Eguavoen made me sad in 1994. He was tall, quick, rugged but didn’t have the best decision making.
Yobo and Equavoen played the same 3 positions (RB,CB,DM). I go with Yobo.



Mine:

.........................,.......Rufai..........................
....Yobo......Okechukwu.....Taribo.....Babayaro..
................................Oliseh.........................
..................Odegbami .......Okocha.........
.....Finidi..................Yekini.........Amuneke.......

I know Odegbami was a RW but had to fit him in there somehow. That 1980 deserved a shoutout LOL. He was the best player in a Nations Cup winning team(our first), scoring 2 goals in the final against a team with Belloumi and Madjer.

The first half of Okocha was a showboater but the showboating reduced towards the later part of his career.
Oruma at his peak was probably a much better fit for the national team but he was criminally sidelined for Okocha, partly because of the fans.

Who told you this? Chairman of defence was the best player. Odegbami was just the highest goal scorer of the tournament, with 3 or 4 goals.

Both were our best players of that era, why i put them in my team.

Ibime:
Before Etim makes USA94 squad, they will call Friday Ekpo or Friday Elahor who was junior to him but already more established in Senior Eagles. Thomson Oliha was even his junior but well established and used to make squad.

Infact they may even call JayJay senior brother Emmanuel Okocha back before considering Etim Esin. That one was also his junior but more established in Senior football.

Who's Emmanuel Okocha?

Even Abia state governor warned Chukwueze not to follow Etim Esin's way. Indescipline marred his career, the talent was there.

Ibime:
From qualifiers, you may think Wilfred Agbonavbare is our greatest ever keeper.

Who can forget his outstanding performance away in the draw in Algiers that ensured we qualified for World Cup. The guy made a save diving backwards like he is doing backflip.

Forget all those qualifiers against Kenya or Burundi, whatever. You may be seeing some dribbles that shak you as a primary school kid but if you watch it now as an adult, you'll probably say he is playing nonsense. All I know is Etim Esin never made Algeria 90 squad, never made Senegal 92 squad, is it USA 94 squad that he will make? When his juniors like Oliha, Elahor, Adepoju have already passed him and have been playing for Eagles since like 1990.

That's why i said village people were on his case. The Etim Esin i knew would bench those you mentioned based on skillset.

For Algiers 90, it was reported that Lokeren didnt release him. He missed other cups due to his rape case.

He was a master dribbler truely but he could score too. He was the highest scorer for Flamingo before Iwuanyanwu signed him. He was also reported to have scored well for lokeren.

raumdeuter:
He played some league games pre Chile 87 when he got shot in his 505 saloon car, Everyone hyped him and ensured he was patched up for Chile 87 which he was underwhelming. The only thing I remember him for was hitting the post vs Brazil in Chile 87, vs Italy he was anonymous. Adeolu Adekola and John ene Okon looked better than Etim who was obviously unfit

How much damage could an under 21 do in Nigerian league

After that he went to Europe

He was the best player in his Benin team, before joining Nationale. He got that 505 evolution car at 18, after Iwuanyanwu and MKO fought over him, to move from Flamengo. He later bought bmw. This wouldn't happen to an average player that time.

Genk or so later signed him from Nationale, when they came to Nigeria and he played against them in a friendly match, and scored 3 goals.

Indescipline ruined him. Period.

Ibime:
Etim Esin never made Senegal 1992 squad. Where did you watch that one?

I hope you know Etim Esin would have been turning 28 years old in 1994.

Newspapers just hyped him up in our psyche as a cautionary tale of talent gone astray that made us believe he was a great lost talent, and that had an effect of making him look greater than he was.

The truth is he was already 27 in 1994 and had not achieved anything in Senior men's Eagles. They just remembered him from WYC 1987 no different from Chrisantus, Rabiu Ibrahim and co who shine at that level and do not transition to men's team.

Adepoju and Amokachi who came on youth football scene in 1989 were already playing for Senior Eagles by 1990, (Amokachi was promoted straightaway) while newspapers made you believe a 27 year old Etim Esin would be the next big thing in 1994, when he has been around since WYC 1987 without making any senior impact.

I wanted to say nations cup qualifiers.

I watched him and he was a great midfielder. This is not what i read in newspapers.