I sometimes wonder out loud and muse to myself many things. Of which is my love and passion for heated debates based on cognitive reasoning. It appears the Bantu mind is not able to process my scholarly level of in depth analysis and critique of issues raised during polite conversations with members of the forum.

Oh Fula, I know you too must feel this way. You must know that on some level your brain can process more than one issue at a time unlike the Bantus here. How do you cope with this? Have you taken on the roll of a compassionate leader who skillfully nudges the mentally retarded in the right path in the hope of being rewarded in another life?

gallivant:
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Who is us? Most of us here are proud Africans you $tupid prick.You are confused and lost

By us I mean those who care to have a civil conversation based on logic and reasoning. Being proud to be living on a land mass simply cause it's named differently than other land masses is the reason why Black people will never get ahead. What about being on this land mass makes you proud that another should not be proud of because he/she lives on a different land mass? Is the land mass your living any more unique? Does it share a common language, culture, skin color, features, history?


I apologize if 90 percent of what I say goes over your head.

Fulaman198, Do us a favor and ban blackkenuchua.

BlackKenichi:

Nope. I'm saying that you my Somali fool are wrong about most thing claim to know!

1. I do not claim to know sex tourism in Jamaica. Thus the reason why sought out trusted and reputable sources. These reputable sources led me to the claims that I have made.

BlackKenichi:

What if the facts are wrong?


You haven't given any facts and statistics.

1. So you are saying their is a global conspiracy that many jamaicans have participated in in order to lie about a non existent problem?

BlackKenichi:

A few documentaries supposedly proves everything you say!? My god you are stup1d. Funny you didn't even know about the sex tourism trade in Jamaican is fueled by European and White American women looking for Black Jamaican bamboo!

Isn't there an Arab's broken jaw you should be fixing?

1. A documentary means documenting facts on camera.

2. You seem to be taking this personal, rather than thinking through it using facts and statistics.

Fulaman198:


That my distant Somali cousin is only in your mind.

Is perception not reality?

BlackKenichi:

Projection at it's finest! I've noticed that peole with glass jaws are notorious for denying reality!

The reality you deny has many documentaries depicting it.

Fulaman198:


Ok fair enough, I take your word for it.

Fulaman, I am many things. On Nairaland: I am God.

BlackKenichi:

Hardly any there. Try harder


Bwahahahahahahahahaha. Typical example of a know nothing. There are hardly any white people Jamaica or even migrating to Jamaica. Also Jamaican men are far better at getting women than white men. Do you honestly think Jamaican women are checking for non black men? If you do then it's obvious that you know nothing about Jamaica and Jamaicans in general
Very few Jamaican women find white men attractive. You're just another example of a fuckboy racist that buys into the white supremacist ideology. There's absolutely nothing original about you is there?


I dare say you'll get you glass chin smashed by a strong breeze. Only a fool thinks that Arabs and white men are better looking and have more sexual prowess than a black man.

1. You are not connected to reality if you believe what you typed.

BlackKenichi:

Wrong! The biggest demographic for sex tourism in Jamaica is 30-50 year old white women.


Again most of the sex tourists are women! Whether there's child sexual abuse happening I can't say.

1. And the rest are old white men

2. Just be sheer odds with the amount of people in your country who are in poverty, the amount of whites going to your country: safe to say some kids are getting phucked. It is ironic that their cherry will be popped by a white guy rather than a black man. How phucked up, when black jamaicans are being cockblocked from an old white guy from another country. Another irony is that the black women in deflowers will be seconds to the white man for her entire life. Aaaah ironic symbolism paved by the modern capitalist system invented by the white man.


I dare say; that you yourself would open your butt cheecks in return for a dollar, or do you prefer Euros?

BlackKenichi:

You're right. However me calling out your BS does change things.


I'm not proud of anything. What consenting adults do romantically and sexually is nobody elses business.


Again you nothing about that. The sex tourism trade in Jamaica is far more complex than that. You like your other foolish glass chinned racist ilk think only old and fat white women go to Jamaica for sex.......................WRONG!
Personally I don't care. They are consenting adults so it's nobody elses business but their own.

1. Only fat white women dont go to jamaica for sex with blacks, fat old white men do too.

2. The sex tourism in Jamaica is thriving. Dismissing my knowledge of this by saying I know nothing is childish. Yes, their are consenting adults. But many times teenagers are taken advantage of while the Government looks the other way, so as to not discourage actual tourism. The power dynamics still exist between these so called 'consenting adults'. The fact that black women are used simply for money when they would other wise not consent is a form of abuse and links with everything else I have said about fetishism of black women, the above the law attitude of white men, and the culpability of your government.

3. New world blacks have been so enslaved and a system of mental enslavement has been so reinforced that they do not see the obvious plight within their sights. How much better has your conditions changed from the times of slavery, when the system of power pushes white women to phuck your women in your own country, and the police look the other way.

4. I encourage you too look at things from a bigger picture. The macro not the micro. Being pushed into the sex industry for the sake of gratifying white men, is no different in terms of power dynamics and master slave relationship that existed when your folks were in chains working on plantations.

5. I look forward to going to Jamaica this summer. My white friend has given me a list and I am checking it twice. Safe to say condoms need to be ordered.

Fulaman198:


Time out for a second. How is what he said any different from what whites did to blacks in the Americas? They killed and mangled Black men, but had no qualms about doing their women.

Also again, stop kissing Arab are:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRtZCgjM8vU

Too bad I live in close proximity to Arab butt-kissers in Nigeria too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqvnkTk4nlc

1. Fulaman white you fail to realize is that people have different experiences and you impose your views on others.

2. I have not had bad experiences with Arabs, Somali history is not one in which Arabs were oppressors, rather ones who were allies and trade parters. I can name many wars in Somali history where Arabs died simply cause Somali fate aligned with Arabs. This is in part due to geography, Islam, and similarity in culture and a long history of trade.

3. I am not discounting that their are bad people who happen to be Arab, but don't make broad generalizations. It maybe that for the interest in Bantus it may well serve to have pro black policies that contain the influence of Arabs and other foreigners in Bantu countries. But to simply impose your history on others and to ask them to act as you would is being short sighted and ignorant.

Fulaman198:


This I agree with 100% but black Western women do the exact same thing.

1. They do but to a lesser degree, possibily because women have less agency in most societies than men do.

2. The objectification of black women in music, and the fetish porn that has been labeled 'ghetto gaggers' is a sign of this. Some here would lead us to believe this objectification is simply lust and love for black women and dont see it for what it truly is: another system of power designed to objectify and degrade black women for the sole purpose of gratifying the white male consumer of pornography.

BlackKenichi:

Ret@rded! You like every other typical racist person presume only fat white women date black men. Sorry little Somali but that's not the case. There are plenty of black men dating well to do average sized non black women. I could easily picture spam them but that would be a waste of time. Also you no nothing about the Jamaican sex tourism trade so I suggest you shut up!


Yet again ret@rded! It takes 2 to tango. Women 99% of time chose the male! This is basic game 101. You sound like a ret@rded racist.............. Oh wait you are one and a arab bootlick as well.

1. Calling me racist and other names changes nothing

2. The sheer fact that you are proud of Black men dating white women is a testament to the the fact that you secretly believe black men are getting a good deal by hooking up with white women.

3. The sex tourism where elderly white men and women go to Jamaica/Kenya is only a testament that few whites who could not get anything in their respective countries come to black countries to enjoy their fetishes at the expense and dignity of blacks in their own countries. This leads to commodification of blacks as a whole just like their culture has been commodified by whites.

BlackKenichi:

Try harder. Black men especially NWB are highly regarded by lots of women around the world. You and other person racists keep spewing that "black men are thirsty for non black women" canard usually forget it takes 2 to tango. There are plenty of black men with well to do and decent looking non black women. Deal with it!

1. You fail to realize many things. Mainly the power dynamics that go into play when obese white women who are rejected from the larger society are carried on the hand of decent black men who could have done much better if they stuck with a black women with similar education and wealth. It's like saying the white women who are obese and in their 40's who go to Kenya, and Jamaica for sex tourism is a sign that black men can get any women. Black men who run after the races of other women more often than not get the rejects of those societies: the obese, old, disabled, and poverty stricken.


2. The fact black men take these outcasted women from the larger white society, and hold them in high esteem is a sign of the syndrome many have labeled 'trophy wife'. Many blacks who could marry any black women go for the rejected among whites. This is a sign that to black men, the color of the white woman means more to them than anything else. This is half of it, the other half is hundreds of years of slavery and being told that blacks are worthless and this has been internalized.

BlackKenichi:

Genetics and slave reports say otherwise.


Arabs hate SSA people with a passion. Why should I turn the other cheek for those glass chinned slavers? Calling us Abeed and other sh1t. Arabs need to clean up their act, simple!


Don't really care!


I don't care

1. My dear friend, rape is a symbol and exercise of power and not a form of love. Black slaves were raped. Don't confuse that for love
2. The fact that you dont care is essentially like saying ' Don't confuse me with facts, I have made up my mind'.
3. Arabs dont hate people of Subsaharan African origins. The 2nd richest man in Africa is half Arab, and half Ethiopian

BlackKenichi:

At the bolded - Oh btw women are far more likely to chase me. Us Jamaican men are well built, handsome and give & take a beating. We can't help that women love us!

i hate to dissapoint you but if you already dont know Blacks are viewed by large segments of humanity as unappealing to look at. Most Black men who are thirsty for white/foreign women are playing the numbers game by hitting on every thing that moves. Eventually ending up with the social outcast of white/arab/asian/hispanic society.

BlackKenichi:

Much like Arabs and White men hating black men but f*cking black women during the Trans-Atlantic and Arab slave trade. Yet it's funny how fucktards forget this.


I'm no victim. The only victim was that racist arab that tried to punch me. I broke his face with a right hook and headbutt!

I highly doubt whites and Arabs came to West Africa because of their deep sexual fetish for Bantu women. they came there to use Bantus as slaves, because they were in a position of power, some also raped the women.

One Arab who is racist that you punched making you hate all arabs, only shows that you feel vulnerable and weak. Some of my best friends in childhood were Arabs. I got into fight with some of them, as I did with blacks, and other Somalis too. If I were to interpret one arab getting into a fight with me as All Arabs hating Somalis, I would not have made the many Arab friends I have since then.


Sure there are many cultures that are closed and Somali would be part of that. But if you leave Somali women alone, the guys are okay to hang out with. Somalis deeply look down on them dating or marrying out to Non Somali men. That is old school culture, the same can be said about Arabs too.

Dont interpret that as Racist.

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gallivant:
You are a sand ni&&er! Why don't get you knee pads so that you don't hurt yourself kissing the Arab a$$?!

stating the obvious fact that Arabs are no worse than any other people, does not make me a butt kisser. You saying that Arabs are evil, makes you a help victim who is unable to do anything but cry online.

This is why I say that Slavery in West Africa was terrible not because of the physical abuse, but the mental chains it left on Bantus/Negroes. This is the lens you look at through the world. One in which everyone is out to get you. Act like a man.

Somalis got invaded by the USA, they fought them off. SURE thousands of Somalis died, but they blamed themselves for letting outsiders interfere in their affairs. You dont see any Somalis judging all white people simply for USA coming to Somalia.


Grow up, get an education, unshackle your mind, and repeat.

BlackKenichi:

The only relationship I want with an Arab is me breaking their faces with my right cross. I'd Bleep some Arab women though, they're kinda cute!

When you have so much anger for Arabs but want to run after their women. You display the same slave mentality black americans display when the hate the white man and run after his woman.

Free your mind. If you act like your a victim, you will look at the world through the eyes of a helpless woman. God made you a man, act like one. Don't believe any other man is better than you. And shape your future with your own hands, blame yourself for your faults and dont assign blame to others, or you will always be winning like a helpless victim.

BlackKenichi:


Arabs are well known for their abusive. Being that they're insecure, glass chinned cowards they need to take out their frustrations out on people that can't or won't defend themselves properly.

Thats because you have no relations with Arabs and the only time you hear of them is when their is negative news. But they are no worse or better than any other human being.

I can show you 10 stories just as worse in Nigeria about backwardness, and abusiveness and corruption.

gallivant:


Man, abuse is abuse and the Arabs are worst at it.Stop making excuses for them.

I am not making excuses for anyone. Any abuse is terrible it doesnt matter who does it. I know Arabs and they are no worse than any other people. Anyone who thinks that is unaware. There are million of house maids in middle east, you only hear of maybe a couple dozen a year. While those are terrible they are evenly distributed among them migrants who go there for house work such as a maids from ethiopia, India, Pakistan, Indonesia and malaysia.


Because your people have gone through a history of slavery, you look at the world through the lens of being oppressed simply cause of your skin color. If those Arabs were racist against Ethiopians, they wouldn't employ them nor bring them into their home. Many times the women are jealous of the ethiopian/migrant women because the Husband is checking them out. Just like any being given absolute power, it corrupts absolutely as their are no recourse for migrant workers who hand their passports over to their employers and get paid monthly.


Ofcourse I am a rational person using stats to look at migrant workers racial makeup, percentage of abuse, the power dynamics. Where you are simply looking at a youtube video and coming up with wide sweeping comments about Arabs without evidence. Also keep in mind the type of person in Saudi Arabia who is likely to require a house maid: someone well off, who is mostly above the law because of undue influence in government, combine that without someone who seeks to hire workers from over seas for the sole purpose of working in their home (meaning they want to pay low wages).

Just as you believe Saudis are racist against black people, Indonesians thing the same.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOjduoBcUcs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li1XrY5ncPI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdB7lq3QlOM

gallivant:


Don't go to South Africa, stay where you belong.Problem solved.Poor South Africans tend to be a bit xenophobic but when it comes to Somalis they go hard compared to all other immigrants.Maybe your brothers took their nonsense to Soweto..

The Somalis who go to South Africa are the ones who go there for business and open shops. These Negroids in South Africa attacked Somali shop keepers, and as many reports have noted this was out of jealousy because Somalis in the area were doing well in terms of business.

How come the South African negroids didnt have this amount of courage for the several hundred years they were under house arrest in their own country?

Fulaman198:


Certainly your eyes can't be this closed. There are several videos of how poor Ethiopian women are mistreated at the hands of perverts when they go to the middle East. They are treated with no respect whatsoever.

South Africa was a peaceful place before whites came there and forced the country into what it is today. They had their own culture of Zulus, Xhosa, etc etc..

I actually feel sorry for South African people because they were stripped of a lot of things. The thing is the whites never even apologised for what they did. Yet, whites apologised to the Japanese for World War 2, and Jews for World war 2 as well.

People like you only focus on the angle of race and not on socio economic privilege and the power dynamics involved between house maids and their employers who hold their passports. Such things have happened to filipino, indian, pakistani, and indonesian women every year.

Fulaman198:
Ajuran, certainly you can't overlook actions like this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJQNcDoypCs

This is why I think Africans regardless of region are a joke. They love to take abuse despite those nations not respecting them.

Criminals are everywhere. Look at the Negroids in South Africa who loot Somali shops, and even stoned a Somali shop owner to death. Criminals are everywhere. Somalis see everyone the same, for some reason Bantus get upset when non blacks kill them, but a crime is a crime no matter who perpetrates it. Ethiopian women are treated just as worse in their own country by some men, why the outrage when the man is not ethiopian?

Maritime history of Somalia refers to the seafaring tradition of the Somali people.[1] It includes various stages of Somali navigational technology, shipbuilding and design, as well as the history of the Somali port cities. It also covers the historical sea routes taken by Somali sailors which sustained the commercial enterprises of the historical Somali kingdoms and empires, in addition to the contemporary maritime culture of Somalia.

In antiquity, the ancestors of the Somali people were an important link in the Horn of Africa connecting the region's commerce with the rest of the ancient world. Somali sailors and merchants were the main suppliers of frankincense, myrrh and spices, items which were considered valuable luxuries by the Ancient Egyptians, Phoenicians, Mycenaeans and Babylonians.[2][3] During the classical era, several ancient city-states such as Opone, Mosylon and Malao that competed with the Sabaeans, Parthians and Axumites for the wealthy Indo-Greco-Roman trade also flourished in Somalia.[4] In the Middle Ages, several powerful Somali empires dominated the regional trade including the Ajuran Sultanate, the latter of which maintained profitable maritime contacts with Arabia, India, Venetia,[5] Persia, Egypt, Portugal and as far away as China. This tradition of seaborne trade was maintained in the early modern period by later Somali states such as the Gobroon Dynasty.


In ancient times, the Kingdom of Punt, situated in the area of modern-day Somalia, had a steady trade link with the Ancient Egyptians and exported precious natural resources such as myrrh, frankincense and gum. This trade network continued all the way into the classical era. The city states of Mossylon, Malao, Mundus and Tabae in Somalia engaged in a lucrative trade network connecting Somali merchants with Phoenicia, Ptolemic Egypt, Greece, Parthian Persia, Saba, Nabataea and the Roman Empire. Somali sailors used the ancient Somali maritime vessel known as the beden to transport their cargo.

After the Roman conquest of the Nabataean Empire and the Roman naval presence at Aden to curb piracy, Arab and Somali merchants barred Indian merchants from trading in the free port cities of the Arabian peninsula[6] because of the nearby Roman presence. However, they continued to trade in the port cities of the Somali peninsula, which was free from any Roman threat or spies. The reason for barring Indian ships from entering the wealthy Arabian port cities was to protect and hide the exploitative trade practices of the Somali and Arab merchants in the extremely lucrative ancient Red Sea-Mediterranean Sea commerce.[7] The Indian merchants for centuries brought large quantities of cinnamon from Ceylon and the Far East to Somalia and Arabia. This is said to have been the best kept secret of the Arab and Somali merchants in their trade with the Roman and Greek world. The Romans and Greeks believed the source of cinnamon to have been the Somali peninsula but in reality, the highly valued product was brought to Somalia by way of Indian ships.[8] Through Somali and Arab traders, Indian/Chinese cinnamon was also exported for far higher prices to North Africa, the Near East and Europe, [/b]which made the cinnamon trade a very profitable revenue generator, especially for the Somali merchants through whose hands large quantities were shipped across ancient sea and land routes.

Somali sailors were aware of the region's monsoons, and used them to link themselves with the port cities of the Indian Ocean and the Red Sea. They also developed an understandable way of defining the islands of the Indian Ocean in their navigational reach. They would name archipelagos or groups of islands after the most important island there, from the Somali point of view.[9]

[b]During the Age of the Ajurans, the sultanates and republics of Merca, Mogadishu, Barawa, Hobyo and their respective ports flourished and had a lucrative foreign commerce with ships sailing to Arabia, India, Venetia,[5] Persia, Egypt, Portugal and as far away as China.

In the 16th century, Duarte Barbosa noted that many ships from the Kingdom of Cambaya in India sailed to Mogadishu with fabric and spices, for which they in return received gold, wax and ivory. Mogadishu, the center of a thriving weaving industry known as toob benadir (specialized for the markets in Egypt and Syria[11]), together with Merca and Barawa also served as transit stops for Swahili merchants from Mombasa and Malindi and for the gold trade from Kilwa.[12] Trade with the Hormuz went both ways, and Jewish merchants brought their Indian textile and fruit to the Somali coast in exchange for grain and wood.[13] Trading relations were established with Malacca in the 15th century,[14] with cloth, ambergris and porcelain being the main commodities exchanged.[15] Giraffes, zebras and incense were exported to the Ming Empire of China, which established Somali merchants as leaders in the commerce between the Asia and Africa,[16] and in the process influenced the Chinese language with the Somali language and vice versa. Hindu merchants from Surat and Southeast African merchants from Pate, seeking to bypass both the Portuguese blockade and Omani meddling, used the Somali ports of Merca and Barawa (which were out of the two powers' jurisdiction) to conduct their trade in safety and without interference.[17]

During the same period, Somali merchants sailed to Cairo, Damascus, Mocha, Mombasa, Aden, Madagascar, Hyderabad and the islands of the Indian Ocean and the Red Sea, establishing Somali communities along the way. These travels produced several important individuals such as the Muslim scholars Uthman bin Ali Zayla'i in Egypt, Abd al-Aziz of Mogadishu in the Maldives, as well as the explorer Sa'id of Mogadishu, the latter of whom traveled across the Muslim world and visited China and India in t


In ancient times, naval engagements between buccaneers and merchant ships were very common in the Gulf of Aden. In the late medieval period, Somali navies regularly engaged their Portuguese counterparts at sea, the latter of whom were naturally attracted by the commercial reputation of the Somali coast. These tensions significantly worsened during the 16th century.


In 1660, the Portuguese in Mombasa surrendered to a joint Somali-Omani force.[[b][/b]22]
Over the next several decades Somali-Portuguese tensions would remain high and the increased contact between Somali sailors and Ottoman corsairs worried the Portuguese, prompting the latter to send a punitive expedition against Mogadishu under Joao de Sepuvelda. The expedition was unsuccessful.[23] Ottoman-Somali cooperation against the Portuguese in the Indian Ocean reached an apogee in the 1580s, when Ajuran clients of the Somali coastal cities began to sympathize with the Arabs and Swahilis under Portuguese rule and sent an envoy to the Turkish corsair Mir Ali Bey for a joint expedition against the Portuguese. Bey agreed and was joined by a Somali fleet, which began attacking Portuguese colonies in Southeast Africa.[24] The Somali-Ottoman offensive managed to drive out the Portuguese from several important cities such as Pate, Mombasa and Kilwa. However, the Portuguese governor sent envoys to India requesting a large Portuguese fleet. This request was answered and it reversed the previous offensive of the Muslims into one of defense. The Portuguese armada managed to re-take most of the lost cities and began punishing their leaders. However, they refrained from attacking Mogadishu.[25]

The Dervish navy in the early modern period served as a reconnaissance unit in the Red Sea and the Indian Ocean, spying on the British in Arabia.

During the post-independence period, the Somali Navy mostly did maritime patrols so as to prevent ships from illegally infringing on the nation's maritime borders. The Somali Navy and Somali Air Force also regularly collaborated as a deterrent against the Imperial Navy of Ethiopia. In addition, the Somali Navy carried out Search and Rescue (SAR) missions. The National Navy participated in many navy exercises with the United States Navy, the Royal British Navy and the Royal Canadian Navy in the Red Sea and the Indian Ocean.

gallivant:


Is that why you feel the need to fabricate history? I am still waiting for your confirmation on that giraffe gift to the Chinese emperor.The fact that you need to steal other peoples history speaks volumes.Your culture(nomads), did not facilitate trade, any worthy settlements, lasting legacies etc.To date your people are still lost in a modern globalised world.Just hang yourself if the facts are too damning.lol

The giraffe was between you and artank not me. As for trade, Somali history itself can be summed up with the word Trade.

Fulaman198:


What you said whilst I laugh in Fulfulde is no different from Bantus and West Africans kissing British or French Arse.

The only history Bantus have with french and others is through slavery and colonization. The relation Somalis have with Arabs is through trade, spreading Islam, alliances in fighting Portugal, Ethiopia, and now Foreigners inside Somalia. Saying Somali politics is more aligned with arab world view than the Bantu christian world view is not buttt kissing.