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I couldn‘t have been happier, I hate seeing late goal against teams that I like. I saw one yesterday(man utd), thank God I didn‘t watch this.

@f0028 .. I posted a good example of the affiliation, but you intentionally ignored it. I believe that‘s not a good way to debate.
Since the writer is not inspired by God according to you, I don‘t see any reason why what he wrote should be a point of contention to you or am I missing something here? Goodnight.

@dansmog .. Don‘t mind f0028, he is only be contentious. I have answered him as regards Greek being the language of the writer who received the inspiration to write the gospel and not aramaic.

@f0028 .. ‘re u sure he did not do anything in affiliation with the name of Jesus? What about the claim made about moh‘d being ‘the comforter‘ Jesus promised? What about the belief among you muslims that whoever doesn‘t believe in him as God‘s prophet not being accepted at the last day? Isn‘t that synonymous to him being a ‘messiah‘?
Salvation: Bible teaches that salvation is found in God but through Jesus.

Gambrosia: Solution and punishment? CASTRATION!!!

^^^ castration I doubt if a punishment like that is ever going to be implemented in Nigeria. Besides, I think long term imprisonment would serve them right (just my opinion though).

Well, moh‘d is not prophet of the God that I serve because Jesus said in matt.24:5 “for many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ (which means messiah i.e the one sent by God to save the world)‘, and they will lead many astray“, and moh‘d fits perfectly into that description. So what other evidence do I need to rebuff his claim as last prophet of God?
Where did God say Moh‘d is the last prophet of God? Mind you, don‘t quote the quran because I ve made it known earlier that I don‘t believe in it.
As per your last question, I don‘t get your point.

@f0028 .. Mushlam as Jesus said? So for me to submit to God‘s will and be perfect I must believe anybody who claim to be God‘s messenger? Why don‘t you as a muslim believe every other self-professed messenger of God that has been on earth since after the death of Moh‘m?
Act 4 :10-12 made me understand that God has set Jesus for the salvation of mankind and there‘s no other through which man can be saved, so why should I be looking for someone else to validate my faith?

@F0028 .. The quran tells you mohammed is a prophet of God,which is not my problem. As a christian, I don‘t have anything to do with Mohammed and the fact that Jewish don‘t believe Jesus doesn‘t affect my faith. Submission to God has nothing to do with a prophet whose name is not seen in my holy scripture.
Which prophecy are you talking about here? Jesus did not prophesy about ‘muslim‘ or ‘mohammed‘, it‘s just a form of deception imployed by some religious leader to cause confusion.
As for the greek text; you are only sounding ridiculous, that you don‘t speak swahili doesn‘t mean someone can‘t write your biography in swahili.
Finally, if you truly consult neutral sites, you would have posted info from them and not only from ‘ask islam‘, ‘answering islam‘ and similar islamic sites.

eggheaders: my fellow ladokite free the bros joor.

Fellow ladokite, I was only joking with him but I will have to oblige to your request. Happy holiday in advance sha!

muktar mtt: nd dat wat make u a dinosore funk ass, alistt we dnt pregnet our own child daugter or used 4 dem 4 jojo 2 make money nd. Ur ppl do dat make u a superior animal funk ass

Boss, this your ENGRISH bad gan.. I ‘ve started doing special lesson/tutorial for special candidates like you, you can join us if you care to.
@OP .. That‘s cool.

F00028: -I already did share

-you are the contentious one. you come up with that aramaic meaning. and stop wasting time with all this, it can, it may, it's possible...

Com‘on, why will you expect me to be assertive when we are supposedly discussing, and not arguing? Individuals will only believe whatever they want to believe.
Like I said earlier, mushlam means submission to God and being perfect and muslims are not the only ones that submit to God(provided we are talking about the same God), jewish and xtians also do. The arabic translation is not what matters but the original language of the writer(Greek) which is ‘katarizo‘ which means to be complete.
Futhermore, Islam started only after Mohammed professed to receive messages from God, thus I don‘t see any reason why Jesus would be referring to it when it was non-existence then.
Next time, you want to get information about controversial religious matter, try as much as possible to get it from neutral sites/persons as info from religious sites are usually sentimental.

@f0028.. Enlighten you kè? You started the thread and I believe you have alot you want to share with us.
Just to clear things, both(Hebrew and Aramaic) are from western branch of semitic languages, but Hebrew is more ancient than the Aramaic. Besides, Hebrew is a canaanite language whereas Aramaic is not. Hebrew has periodic dialects which can bring about differences in the actual meaning of few word(s). But in the case of Aramaic,it even varies more as there are regional and periodical dialects leading to possible differences in meaning of FEW words from region to region and period to period.
I believe you can now reason with me that the actual meaning of the word ‘mushlam‘ in Hebrew(which you quoted above) may be different from that of Aramaic(which was the language spoken by Jesus), hence there‘s need for you(since you are the OP) to come up with Aramaic meaning.

@foo8 .. As per ‘son of God‘ saga, proo02 has given you a good reply.
Concerning ‘mushlam‘, I think we both agreed that Jesus spoke Aramaic during his time on earth, but the meaning of mushlam you gave above is from Hebrew context, isn‘t that too incoherent or are Aramaic and Hebrew now the same language??!

F00028: it doesn't how many times you've mentioned it. this is what I said: ..if they are the words of Jesus, they are scripture.

...but the versees proo02 quoted above was spoken by Jesus, so do you now believe that he‘s the son of God?

F00028: of course am looking for evidence. and since you have the "full" information it shouldn't be difficult for you to provide it.

your are the one alluding he used a synonym

Let‘s forget about the synonyms stuff. Let‘s go back to my previous question : what‘s the meaning of mushlam?

..and someone will come here later to say ‘Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world‘ , why won‘t it be when a muslim can‘t convert to any other religion without facing persecution?!

Evidence? You are looking for evidence when you are obviously feeding on half information gotten from an islamic website. Com‘on, there is no language which doesn‘t have synonyms for almost every word, you can‘t jump into conclusion that he made use of the exact word ‘mushlam‘.
Having said that, what is the meaning of ‘mushlam‘ ? I ‘ve my own meaning for it (from the internet) but let me know yours so as to know the direction the discussion should go. Thanks.

Well, as you said ‘muslims don‘t consider bible as the word of God‘, since you don‘t consider it as the word of God, isn‘t it demeaning for you to pick some texts( no matter who is believed to be the speaker) and make use of it?
Having said that, the word ‘mushlam‘ actually means ‘spiritually perfect‘ and not in anyway referring to muslims as a regilion/sect.
Besides, what assurance do you have that ‘mushlam‘ is the only aramaic word which has the same meaning as ‘perfect‘ since Jesus could have used any of those other words.

F00028: not christianity, Jesus Christ.


I wonder why that is. Jesus didn't speak greek.

Well, I believe muslims don‘t believe in the bible, therefore anything you want to use to support your claim about Jesus should not be taken from the bible.
As for the language, Jesus wasn‘t the one who ‘wrote‘ the gospel of luke himself, hence the language he spoke during his time doesn‘t matter(in the case of this gospel) since the original writer wrote in another language; what matters is the meaning of the word in the original text of the original writer.

@op .. Is it necessary for you to bring christianity into the picture for you to validate your believe in islam?
Well, gospel of luke was originally written in greek koine,a dialect in attic greek. So tell me how an aramaic word is going to validate the use of the word ‘mushlam‘ or whatever it is?

There‘s no need ruminating over this issue, since the bible made me understand that in heaven there are neither male nor female, everybody will take the same form.

Nearest

Rubbish! What sort of question is this? Why don‘t you tell them to be riding donkey/horses(instead of cars) since they were the ones used in the olden days? Technology is here and you have to move with time as long as it‘s not against the scripture.

^^^ bruv, if you give up a child for adoption through the right channel, the money paid is meant for medical care of the mother, the lawyer involved and the institution through which the deal is done, hence the money paid is not in actually sense given to the mother as ‘sales fee‘ for the child ‘bought‘. In that case, it is not a sin since she is rather giving up the child to have better life.

Even Nicholas Jokingly Often Yells
JOKES

Treasure

Selling/buying of child is illegal and since it‘s illegal, you don‘t need anyone to tell you that it is a sin.

ecolime: Invisibility.... Ability to make myself and anything I touch invisible whenever I like.

Na to dey stroll enter banks bulk room anytime I like be that

Man, that‘s exactly what I wanted to post. ‘Invisibility‘ and ability to move with the speed of light.

miiraaj: Do you plan to kill Messi in 2013? Only then can Ronaldo be the world's best.

^^^ funny how you people reason atimes. This year only started about 2 weeks ago and you have already given 2013 balon d‘or to Messi(in your mind). Such sentimental way of reasoning!
@OP ... It‘s none of my business if he wins this year or not as long as whoever wins deserve it.

I have watched a couple of them, I can‘t remember the topics now. I will post whenever I remember them.