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Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by Alexis86: 2:25am On Nov 09, 2014
The British government has said it is
investigating David Oyedepo’s Winners’ Chapel
International’s request to establish an
independent school in the country.
The fee-paying school, Kingdom Heritage
Model School in Dartford, was set to open to
children from the age of four in September.
The school, which will teach “Biblical truths” in
each subject, is currently being considered by
the British Department for Education. The
church itself is said to be under investigation
by the Charity Commission.
Among those kicking against the church’s
opening a school in the country is the National
Secular Society, an organisation that campaigns
for the separation of religion and state.
The NSS expressed concern that a school
linked to the “controversial preacher” was set
to open in England.
In a letter to the Department for Education,
the NSS had questioned the suitability of the
organisation to run educational establishments
in the country, raising concerns over both
educational standards and child welfare.
In 2011, Oyedepo was, reportedly, captured on
video assaulting a young girl at one of his
church service. The girl was alleged to be
possessed by some evil spirits.
In 2012, the Metropolitan Police stated that
children believed to be possessed by evil
spirits or believed to be witches are at “clear
and immediate risk of significant harm.”
In considering the school’s registration, the
NSS has also asked the DfE to look into the
details surrounding the death of a three-year-
old child who drowned in the toilets of a
Kingdom Heritage Model School operated by
Winners Chapel in Nigeria in 2012.
The NSS campaigns manager Stephen Evans,
said, “Given this Church’s association with
belief in witchcraft and the actions of its
leader, we hope the department will give
serious consideration to the reliability of the
school’s commitment to safeguarding and
promoting the welfare of children.”
According to the rights advocacy group, the
proposed school acknowledges “God as the
sovereign and only wise God in all affairs of
life and learning,” and believes the Bible to be
the ultimate source of wisdom.
When our
correspondent contacted the church
through phone numbers provided on its
website, one of the respondents said he was a
technical person and as such could not
comment on the issue.
But another staff of the church, who refused
to give his name, said the allegation was “a
scam, it cannot be true.”
SOURCE: www.punchng.com
9 November 2014
Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by Proximo73: 2:39am On Nov 09, 2014
Alexis86:
The British government has said it is
investigating David Oyedepo’s Winners’ Chapel
International’s request to establish an
independent school in the country.
The fee-paying school, Kingdom Heritage
Model School in Dartford, was set to open to
children from the age of four in September.
The school, which will teach “Biblical truths” in
each subject, is currently being considered by
the British Department for Education. The
church itself is said to be under investigation
by the Charity Commission.
Among those kicking against the church’s
opening a school in the country is the National
Secular Society, an organisation that campaigns
for the separation of religion and state.
The NSS expressed concern that a school
linked to the “controversial preacher” was set
to open in England.
In a letter to the Department for Education,
the NSS had questioned the suitability of the
organisation to run educational establishments
in the country, raising concerns over both
educational standards and child welfare.
In 2011, Oyedepo was, reportedly, captured on
video assaulting a young girl at one of his
church service. The girl was alleged to be
possessed by some evil spirits.
In 2012, the Metropolitan Police stated that
children believed to be possessed by evil
spirits or believed to be witches are at “clear
and immediate risk of significant harm.”
In considering the school’s registration, the
NSS has also asked the DfE to look into the
details surrounding the death of a three-year-
old child who drowned in the toilets of a
Kingdom Heritage Model School operated by
Winners Chapel in Nigeria in 2012.
The NSS campaigns manager Stephen Evans,
said, “Given this Church’s association with
belief in witchcraft and the actions of its
leader, we hope the department will give
serious consideration to the reliability of the
school’s commitment to safeguarding and
promoting the welfare of children.”
According to the rights advocacy group, the
proposed school acknowledges “God as the
sovereign and only wise God in all affairs of
life and learning,” and believes the Bible to be
the ultimate source of wisdom.
When our
correspondent contacted the church
through phone numbers provided on its
website, one of the respondents said he was a
technical person and as such could not
comment on the issue.
But another staff of the church, who refused
to give his name, said the allegation was “a
scam, it cannot be true.”
SOURCE: www.punchng.com
9 November 2014

witchcraft do not exist. we are deceived in Africa. by the way, why is this man so keen to establish a school in the UK? what does he stand to achieve?
so that it will be in the record that he is the first pastor in Africa to have a school in the UK and be in Guinness book of record?
what a senseless pursuit

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Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by davdandam(m): 4:46am On Nov 09, 2014
Hmm
Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by okeke00(m): 6:09am On Nov 09, 2014
the mentality has brought more harm to africans. nigerians and to igbos especially.
They claimed to be christ like but hatered, gossips and wickedness is all what they posses. In igbo land, children are adviced not to collect anything from someone because he/she might initiate him into witchcraft. You hardly see families eating together nowdays. Even the new yam festival get together that use to bring villages to come and share love and eat together, churches have adviced their members not to partake in it. But should eat holy communion and take home the holy water from their so called pastor.
Am proud to be an agnostic atheist. Love matters alot in my life

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Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by Iceflox(f): 6:31am On Nov 09, 2014
okeke00:
the mentality has brought more harm to africans. nigerians and to igbos especially.
They claimed to be christ like but hatered, gossips and wickedness is all what they posses. In igbo land, children are adviced not to collect anything from someone because he/she might initiate him into witchcraft. You hardly see families eating together nowdays. Even the new yam festival get together that use to bring villages to come and share love and eat together, churches have adviced their members not to partake in it. But should eat holy communion and take home the holy water from their so called pastor.
Am proud to be an agnostic atheist. Love matters alot in my life
innocent children in Africa are constantly abused in the rural areas, pastors have caused disaffection and distrust among people, even people of the same congregation don't trust each other, they accused themselves of witchcraft,.
deliverance ministers are the worst, they treat people they suspect with disdain, everyone is a suspect. Your mama in the village, your brother or mother in-law, infact every stranger is a witch. no love in the society.
na God go judge Africa, their evil don reach heaven
Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by okeke00(m): 6:41am On Nov 09, 2014
Iceflox:

innocent children in Africa are constantly abused in the rural areas, pastors have caused disaffection and distrust among people, even people of the same congregation don't trust each other, they accused themselves of witchcraft,.
deliverance ministers are the worst, they treat people they suspect with disdain, everyone is a suspect. Your mama in the village, your brother or mother in-law, infact every stranger is a witch. no love in the society.
na God go judge Africa, their evil don reach heaven
a total shame to africans especially Nigerians

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Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by Mrval20(m): 6:55am On Nov 09, 2014
Inasmuch as I don't support anyone accusing someone of being a witch, we all know that witchcraft and witches exist!
Let's just stop claiming to be civilized and all that because even the westerners believe in witchcraft; even in refined and modern forms(talk about wicca witches).
It's too early for arguments biko.
Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by twerkjack: 7:19am On Nov 09, 2014
okeke00:
a total shame to africans especially Nigerians
listen my friend. Witchcraft and spiritualism exists, and it does more in the western countries than it does in Africa, they believe in vampires, ghosts, reincarnation, witches even more than we do. Things like yoga, tarot, qabala, wisdom of the ages all have to do with spiritualism. Do ur research. Only problem is, Africans have low mentality (like wat ur doing now) and handle things in very premature manners, that's why it seems like were the hq of evil in the world.
Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by okeke00(m): 7:24am On Nov 09, 2014
twerkjack:
listen my friend. Witchcraft and spiritualism exists, and it does more in the western countries than it does in Africa, they believe in vampires, ghosts, reincarnation, witches even more than we do. Things like yoga, tarot, qabala, wisdom of the ages all have to do with spiritualism. Do ur research. Only problem is, Africans have low mentality (like wat ur doing now) and handle things in very premature manners, that's why it seems like were the hq of evil in the world.
define evil and i will proof to you that we are the headquater of wickedness
Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by Alexis86: 7:28am On Nov 09, 2014
Mrval20:
Inasmuch as I don't support anyone accusing someone of being a witch, we all know that witchcraft and witches exist!
Let's just stop claiming to be civilized and all that because even the westerners believe in witchcraft; even in refined and modern forms(talk about wicca witches).
It's too early for arguments biko.

the contemporary educated westerner do not believe in witchcraft, they only portray witcrafcy in holywood movies,and it is laughable occurence to them that does not exist in reality.
it is only few uneducated that are still holding that believe among them .
what do you expect of Africa? up to 80% of the Nigerian population are uneducated. even the ones that went to the so called Nigerian university. by the way, do we have any standard university here in Nigeria? no.
our lecturers have all been corrupted by traditional beliefs
Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by Alexis86: 7:35am On Nov 09, 2014
twerkjack:
listen my friend. Witchcraft and spiritualism exists, and it does more in the western countries than it does in Africa, they believe in vampires, ghosts, reincarnation, witches even more than we do. Things like yoga, tarot, qabala, wisdom of the ages all have to do with spiritualism. Do ur research. Only problem is, Africans have low mentality (like wat ur doing now) and handle things in very premature manners, that's why it seems like were the hq of evil in the world.
study have show that, the believe of all these things has be drastically reduced with increase economic and social development since the beginning of the 19th century
Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by Iceflox(f): 8:16am On Nov 09, 2014
the belief in witchcraft is as a result of foolish African culture.
interestingly such belief was
inversely linked to happiness. (www.livescience.com /witchcraft beliefs in Africa.. )
in order words, those who believe that witchcraft exist are not happy people in life. example, everybody who go to church for one prayer or the other.
they rated their lives significantly less satisfying than those who do not believe that witchcraft exist .
Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by Nobody: 8:29am On Nov 09, 2014
twerkjack:
listen my friend. Witchcraft and spiritualism exists, and it does more in the western countries than it does in Africa, they believe in vampires, ghosts, reincarnation, witches even more than we do. Things like yoga, tarot, qabala, wisdom of the ages all have to do with spiritualism. Do ur research. Only problem is, Africans have low mentality (like wat ur doing now) and handle things in very premature manners, that's why it seems like were the hq of evil in the world.

This is sad. So cos they make movies about vampires, ghosts, etc, then, it means they believe in these things? Come on.

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Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by oesnac(m): 8:34am On Nov 09, 2014
witchcraft is as good as demon,therefore if demon exists in bible I guess witchcraft also exist.
And nothing good comes from them at all their are one of the agent of destruction.
Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by Proximo73: 9:27am On Nov 09, 2014
oesnac:
witchcraft is as good as demon,therefore if demon exists in bible I guess witchcraft also exist.
And nothing good comes from them at all their are one of the agent of destruction.
Demons in the bible are spirits,they do not exist in the form of humans who are sound and normal or humans with no form of madness.
why do witches exist in Africa as normal humans, such that a pastor will slap a little girl who is mentally sound, and who is a fellow human?
why can't the pastor go and look for a spirit who is a demon or a mad man in the street to slap him, and leave humans alone?
and after slapping her, there is no form of regret of his action or repentance or even apology to the girl till now,
rather,he is even saying if he is given the opportunity he will slap her the second time.
what has she done?
this is why africans don't value humans, they think nothing good will come out of them just like you said. so,they lynch and kill humans on streets thinking humans are witches.
i think it is act of illiteracy to the highest order

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Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by Iceflox(f): 10:29am On Nov 09, 2014
in the real sense, witchcraft or whatever, is never a spiritual thing as believed by Africans.,
any immoral act done to the extreme is regarded as witchcraft.
for instance, if you lie always and in such a way that people cannot easily detect, it is witchcraft.
these are physical things
Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by paxonel(m): 11:39am On Nov 09, 2014
Iceflox:
in the real sense, witchcraft or whatever, is never a spiritual thing as believed by Africans.,
any immoral act done to the extreme is regarded as witchcraft.
for instance, if you lie always and in such a way that people cannot easily detect, it is witchcraft.
these are physical things
how about sorcery? do sorcery exist?
or can you distinguish between witchcraft, magic and sorcery?
Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by denisbid: 2:31pm On Nov 09, 2014
[quote author=p
witchcraft, sorcery, magic, they are all the same thing, they all exist
Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by oesnac(m): 2:50pm On Nov 09, 2014
Proximo73:

Demons in the bible are spirits,they do not exist in the form of humans who are sound and normal or humans with no form of madness.
why do witches exist in Africa as normal humans, such that a pastor will slap a little girl who is mentally sound, and who is a fellow human?
why can't the pastor go and look for a spirit who is a demon or a mad man in the street to slap him, and leave humans alone?
and after slapping her, there is no form of regret of his action or repentance or even apology to the girl till now,
rather,he is even saying if he is given the opportunity he will slap her the second time.
what has she done?
this is why africans don't value humans, they think nothing good will come out of them just like you said. so,they lynch and kill humans on streets thinking humans are witches.
i think it is act of illiteracy to the highest order
I didn't support anybody to any one.
what am saying is that witch is also bad spirit that lives inside human and be cast out just like demon.
Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by Weah96: 2:55pm On Nov 09, 2014
Proximo73:

witchcraft do not exist. we are deceived in Africa. by the way, why is this man so keen to establish a school in the UK? what does he stand to achieve?
so that it will be in the record that he is the first pastor in Africa to have a school in the UK and be in Guinness book of record?
what a senseless pursuit

Tax purposes, probably for wealthy family members who own businesses in the UK. The church is not enough.

He needs another tax free asset so that his family members can receive a deduction every time they make a donation to the school.

European taxes are notoriously HIGH, to say the least.
Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by twerkjack: 4:54pm On Nov 09, 2014
hifaif:


This is sad. So cos they make movies about vampires, ghosts, etc, then, it means they believe in these things? Come on.
I'm not quotin movies duh! Ϣһƴ dnt u try typin the words on google huh?
Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by Nobody: 5:17pm On Nov 09, 2014
twerkjack:
I'm not quotin movies duh! Ϣһƴ dnt u try typin the words on google huh?

I searched for vampire and this was what I got:

A vampire is a MYTHICAL (emphasized by me) being who subsists by feeding on the life essence (generally in the form
of blood) of living creatures.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire

So, baby, why don't you tell me where else to search.

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Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by Alexis86: 7:09pm On Nov 09, 2014
oesnac:
I didn't support anybody to any one.
what am saying is that witch is also bad spirit that lives inside human and be cast out just like demon.
Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by Proximo73: 7:29pm On Nov 09, 2014
oesnac:
I didn't support anybody to any one.
what am saying is that witch is also bad spirit that lives inside human and be cast out just like demon.
thats true
Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by Iceflox(f): 12:39am On Nov 10, 2014
paxonel:

how about sorcery? do sorcery exist?
or can you distinguish between witchcraft, magic and sorcery?
from my English dictionary
sorcery is magic done with the help of evil spirits.
magic is defined as mysterious tricks that an entertainer called a magician performs, for example, making things appear or disappear.
And witchcraft is defined as the practice of magic, especially for evil purpose.
But, through out the history of mankind, it has been discovered that all these things were fictions, people that claim they have these powers never had any concrete evidence to prove it existence .
they only made people to believe they have it by one trick or the other, to make people fear them in the society
Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by Iceflox(f): 12:43am On Nov 10, 2014
denisbid:
[quote author=p
witchcraft, sorcery, magic, they are all the same thing, they all exist
have you ever seen a witch before? please be sincere.
Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by Proximo73: 12:49am On Nov 10, 2014
Weah96:


Tax purposes, probably for wealthy family members who own businesses in the UK. The church is not enough.

He needs another tax free asset so that his family members can receive a deduction every time they make a donation to the school.

European taxes are notoriously HIGH, to say the least.
is winners chapel in the UK still functioning, i thought he was banned not to operate church there? or has the ban be lifted?
Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by denisbid: 1:19am On Nov 10, 2014
[quote author=Iceflox post=27874903][/quote]
@iceflox,why. are you talking as if you are not African? we all see these things frequently, or don't you see them manifest in churches?
Re: Is The Believe That Witchcraft Exist,doing Us Any Good? by Iceflox(f): 7:02am On Nov 10, 2014
denisbid:

@iceflox,why. are you talking as if you are not African? we all see these things frequently, or don't you see them manifest in churches?
all you saw was people manifesting witchcraft in your church and you didn't bother to investigate to find out the arrangements behind the drama? simply because you believe that the pastor is a true man of God?
let me tell you something about Nigeria incase you don't know, in the face of poverty everybody deploy all possible means to make money in this country
think about it

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