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Well, the thread is ruined. Derailed because some big babies here had to cry because Joagbaje is here, and probably giving them a hard time. Look at WinsomeX's last post, like he wasn't the fellow urging others not to derail, but had to take an 'exception' because it's jo. You couldn’t resist, no? Double standards?

Vooks, you should get a medal for derailment.

Can you, WinsomeX prove Satan is the custodian of CE? I can take you on that.

...and they played the age card! Smh! He must have got you guys bad! Christians though!

I guess Seun should make religion section for elders!

asalimpo:
This is internet culture. You dont expect users to write long hand and formally. Every1 isnt preparing their replies on tble surfaces,chair ,paper and pen and readg lamps.
You dont know where users are connectg from, or wat devices theyre using. You grow up.

And i'm not a ma'm.

All he asked for is for you to please type in proper English and punctuations, or at least make the sacrifice of trying

From the above, why not add 'a' to the word tble? Or 'in' to 'readg' ? Etc Isnt is isn't and dont is don't etc

...you are not a ma'am?

Kenyan, if what mbaemeka said is true, then I'm highly disappointed.

You kept us in the dark with regards that part, only to project a part you want us to know, probably to see things your way. You lied to us all who are watching from the sidelines too, obviously, it's a habit, judging from your change of statements as gombs and WinsomeX pointed out.

Vooks even went as far as saying that your husband is negetive and there is an air borne strain of the virus in Kenya, and you must have been exposed to it-like seriously? I'm beginning to think there is a grand conspiracy here.

*unfollows thread

Gombs: I answered your question, I answered thus


My answer was linked to the commentary, how then did you conclude the question wasn't answered? Oh, you did not see what you liked, shebi?

Email her to gist you about her life after healing, prior to marriage, then after child birth, then other personal details. The child turned positive because the mother was? , what about the husband? Was he using condoms or they had artificial insemination, or he was very careful to sleep with a HIV patient? his faith must be strong sha o! Now, be a gentle man and answer my question, is it possible to loose one's healing? If yes, why? If no, explain John 5:14 pls.

The interview was not to give you or her new facts, but to lay them bare for readers who missed the whole things in years past. I wish she did not delete most posts...that too is a pointer you know?

Hmm, who minds explaining the above underlined for me.

Gombs, are you sure you aren't a lawyer?

Gombs: Ok, Alfa and DB, off the books, please I would answer this once...

Kenyan brought up that, she could as well have said she saw healthy folks asked to pretend to be sick...it's her word against the Healing School's. Question however is, if after testing negative, and the hospital said so, and she knew she was because it could not have been window period, she now was put on the healing line 14days later, and instructed/forced (her words) to lie that she got -ve after Pastor Chris ministered to her...,

1. It beats my imagination that a healthy person was asked 14days after to stand on the healing line.

2. Lie to who? The world or the visitors at the healing school?

3. When testifying to who, the world or herself?

This should put in perspective her words, she said she was healed, then later she said the fact was that she was healed but 'short lived', then later, I wasn't healed, to I was fooled, now...I was instructed/ forced to lie?

If this were a court room, and I'm the persecution counsel, I'd have nailed the coffin on day one... you both might wanna check this out
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/False+testimony

Hmmmm

I noticed the change of tone, and I saw what you did on her. Interesting read all all through the interview, though Kenyan should not have shown regret, it's like trying to buy public sympathy. But gombs, what do you have to say about her been asked to lie?

Kenyan28: I have dared @Jo over the years, even in our conversation over the weekend, to come over and pray for this Kenyan girl until she turns Negative. I told him that I have not lost any faith as he claims(same reason why I am waiting for the second coming of Jesus Christ-lol). All he could do is to send me video clips of "healed" people,the same ones he has been uploading in this forum. Why don't you do it on/with me so that we can set up a clean record of a miracle from CE?? I dare u once more, come over. (We could share the half a million Naira.....loolest!)

Kenya! Glad you finally came online. Ok, from your position above, you want him to come over and u stillnhave faith for the "miraculous"! Please and please disregard SirJohn's 'bounty' as it would be wrong to make this all look like gambling. Now, if Jo can make it to Kenya, would you do as he asks you to in all honesty, before he prays for you?

Sir John's putting up a 'bounty' puts the whole thing on a new course, because, it's now a show-me-what-you-got affair and according to what I read about Christianity, this is almost gambling. Imagine folks sitting and recording and snapping pics when Jo is praying for you, don’t you think you or him would get distracted? I've read about these things, so just to clear doubts, I woukd not mind Joagbaje to have it in his terms and let's simply wait for your testimony afterwards.

WinsomeX: You are being dishonest. No one is trying to change her mind; that woman had an experience, she came to her conclusions, do you blame her?

Why are you avoiding my request that you go to CE HS?

You are an atheist. You don't have anything to loose. Go there. And tell us what you see. Corroborate or counter the OP. All these insinuations of yours will not help. Again, your account is most likely to be believed since you naturally should not have q side you are backing; except, of course, you do.

I am not avoiding your request , for I cannot invest such time, money and energy onnsuch errand! Majorly because it's like same vicious cycle. If I go and get back and say "those blokes are real" folks will still doubt, if I go and back and say "thise folks are crooks" , folks will still doubt, hence the thread keeps going on and on for no cogent reason other than that we already have. This is evident from the fact that when Kenyan was flying the flag of CEC, some folks here called her names and CEC member, when she jumped ship, some folks endorsed her, same folks who nailed her are the ones applauding her now.

Hope you see why your option is not viable amd feasible? If Kenyan can be healed by Joagbaje, that settles this thread, not so?

This is my last post here until Kenyan accedes or rejects the challenge!

Cheers mate!

PastorKun: It's now obvious that you are playing the devil's advocate here.

Satan is watching you!

Joagbaje: If she believes ,she will be healed. It was faith that healed her before. I wish she had cooperated with me the first time . I was willing to spend time and money. If I could go to Tanzania to pray for someone ,self sponsored at my own expense . You should understand my passion and concern and sacrifice .

Kenyan, the ball is now in your court.

Joagbaje: That was what I was pushing for in the beginning.I know is that Kenya got healed but she lost it. How she lost it is between her and God. She herself knew she was healed. Apart from the medical test. Symptoms were gone. Even when symptoms retuned . She still maintained that she knew she was healed . I offered her either to pray for her as a last option but firstly I tried to arrange for her to meet the pastor over there . The pastor that used to be there had been transferred to Nigeria, I had to get the number of the new pastor and called him from nigeria relating the matter. I told Kenya to go and meet him. But while I was making all these effort to save and help situation, big bros here were helping her destroy her faith. Initially she used to say . I knew I was healed but why did it come back but later her language changed to what bros here told her "I was never healed" at that point there's nothing I could do . Even if prayers was made she has no faith left

What if she still believes that your God can heal her and contacts you about it, just as Sir John claimed you spoke with her?

@SirJohn, I find it suspicious when you and WinsomeX are still trying to get Kenyan's mind fixed on a particular stand, your claim that Joagbaje can not offer her any lasting hope is in similitude to WinsomeX's claim that she doesn't want anything to do with CEC. Are both of you scared of something?

I thought maybe trying to get Kenya have a permanent solution should be the goal here? Joagbaje claims he healed a HIV/AIDS patient, why don't you guys lethim and Kenyan decided and quit spoon feeding her indirectly with your views and stand?

WinsomeX: The truth is that with the horror the Kenyan lady experienced with CE, she will not entertain anything CE in her life and no one can blame her for this.

My request still remain though. Its a valid alternative. And if the CE guys are scared to do it, you, Alfa, can help them out. Your account might even be more tenable since you are not religious. Here it is again:

Please, Let her speak for herself, it's Joagbaje and her, not CEC and her. As for your alternative, are you asking me to go spy for you? Like seriously?

SirJohn: I will not just apologize, but like I have said over the years in this forum, I will do so in five national daily's

Ok then, it's left for kenya and Joagbaje now. Thank you so much for your civility and your honesty.

There has been lots of accounts just like mine on the internet but you see people have short memories and would rather believe in false hope to their destruction. This is one of such accounts from South Africa which I posted way back in 2010, the story is still online but do people care?



I'd love for you to watch this masterpiece by Derren Brown, it explains a lot


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuP5uOI7Xwc

Ok, would watch the video, let me get to my laptop. Thanks again

honeychild: @ those of you who keep saying why have so many people not come out to deny these miracle, I ask: how many of these miracles have you followed up? On nairaland we have two personal accounts of real people we can ask questions.

Please provide at least one. Joagbaje provided one of a woman who was healed of blindness. When she was followed up, she said she wasn't blind, but just had peppery sensations!

so please take up the challenge. Take a real person to healing school. Let them come back and give their testimony like Kenyan did.

No videos please. Real first person account that we cab ask questions of. Or are you saying that of the "millions" who get healed none is verifiable?

Na wa unto una

So, in other words, the doctors who were treating those folks stopped following them up? And nairaland.com now is the only places accounts count? Why hasn't any gone to the world's biggest social networking sites or forums to expose the scam? If you have any, please let me know.

I'm not not Joagbaje's lawyer, neither am I CEC rep, but common sense fails to endorse this story and accusations!

Now, there's a new challenge, for the challenge of taking someone there has been said here, the new challenge is what if Joagbaje heals Kenya?

PastorKun: You are a really callous, evil and shameless poor excuse for a human being. This is a person your criminal organisation almost made to loose her life. Instead of you to bury your head in shame and keep quiet, you are bitter that the drugs she is taking is working for her and she is testifying that the drug works instead of giving undue credit to your sect. Shame.

Your ineptitude is legendary. She gave 'top' 3 reasons why we should all take the drug, Joagbaje gave his view on why he would not take the drugs, she gave her opinion, he, his. Why then would you just show traits of one raised in a motor park? In the other thread, you displayed reading and/or comprehension disorder(s), but I got the feeling your personal vendetta with Jo shouldn't always cloud your sense od reasoning.

@SirJohn, I'm waiting for your response. If Kenya get healed by Joagbaje, and she is healed, and testifies after several tests. What would be your reaction? Go on and wait for her to change the testimonies? Apologise to Joagbaje and CEC and MOGs you called names? Be mute? Or glorify God?
Or others?

Note, hope you know I'm not Religious? But I can't get how of all folks round the world who visited and visits the healing school, with their pictures and videos documented as 'evidence' and their medical reports published, how come no countries or territory claimed the healing school was a scam as their citizens died of a disease that Pastor Chris claimed to have healed. No single hospital whose names are on these medical reports ever came out to refute these claims, nor the fact that such people were never their patients? This however does not negate the fact that you and kenya might have experience something that looks like scam, but does that proves the healing school is a scam? Have you ever thought whether in your situation or case you were a victim of bureaucratic bottle necks there and Chris might not have been aware?

In all, I think Chris would not have kept scamming folks from 2008 till 2014 with pictures, videos, med reports, etc, except you are as well claiming he paid all those guys and their neighbours, hospitals who gave well signed and stamped medical reports (for if the healing school were fronting fake reports, don't you think one of these numerous hospitals would have raised alarm of falsified reports and signature and doctor's name?), and that a lot of folks from asia, europe, N and S America are stupid enough not to think in the way you are?

I'm thinking, what if joagbaje travels to Kenya and gets her healed, that’s if she really have fsith for healing? Or, she comes down to Nigeria?

What will be the purpose of the whole thread when (not if) Joagbaje heals her? Sir John, what would be your first reaction? Apologise or call Kenya to keep doing tests?

Look at them. Bunch of bitter vultures.

They are miles ahead of y'all, in all good sense.

Dragonking: Hahaha..that was a gud one.

The question is is still looking at you in the face. Why the hell was Peter holding a goddamed sword?

Dragonking: Peter was with a sword yet he failed to protect jesus when attacked by the mob..This is even more hilarious. BTW, james and john were missing in the body guard work at that period..

What is the essence of having a sword when you cant use it..

You guys are just a bunch of jerry curled clowns.

Why ws Peter with a sword?

Simple, because Peter was with a Terrorist! No wonder Satan wanted to sign him up!

But seriously, why can't you answer why questions?

Quite revealing!

This is thought provoking and really interesting.

Mynd
Seun

Front page material

Drummaboy, I must say your hate is getting worrisome! You really had to go resurrect a 6 year old thread?

trustman: Rightly dividing the word of truth means first interpreting the word of God correctly so that the right application can then be made. The issue for the Christian then is 'first and foremost what does the scripture say and mean?'. Thereafter it is 'how can it be rightly applied to my life, situations and circumstances?' 

When human viewpoint is employed man may even query God why he still allows the Devil free reign on the earth. After-all he is a loving God isn't he. So why doesn't he just remove the Devil and all negative things. The answers to such questions cannot come from human viewpoint reasoning. They can only come from right understanding of the word of God which is then used to look at the issues involved. 

It is clear from scriptures that there will be suffering in this present world -
Romans 8:18 - "For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us."
To deny suffering then is to deny the word of God. In fact, looking at this Romans portion in more detail we see this: 
"18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.
19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God.
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope
21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now.
23 And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
24 For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees?
25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience." 

Suffering, including sickness is as a result of Adam 's sin and continues to be in human history until God takes it away. 

What the Christian needs to do when faced with the issue of suffering and sin is to understand like Romans 8: 35-39 that "35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or unclothedness, or danger, or sword?
36 As it is written, "For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered." 
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.
38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers,
39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord."

No matter what the Christian faces, the LOVE of God is always there for him to hold on to face whatever adverse situation that may come his way. That is scripture.

I thought that was why Jesus came? God has taken it away more than 2000 years ago! Sickness has never been the will of God for man, or has it?

Gombs, weldone... Seun, Mynd44, fp tins

musKeeto: I made an allegation years back that Jo and Mabell are either one and the same or Mabell is his PA or secretary. I still stand by it.

If they were both dogs, Mabell would have licked the color off his ass.

Any proofs?

If none, I'm disappointed! Grossly disappointed

frank317:
lol... your boss insulted our sense of natural order of things when he came here with his lies. this thread is nothing but the after effect of what Jo did.

if you were wise enough, you would have been rebuking Jo by now instead of defending and acting all persecuted.

you guys have no shame abeg

Right....he's speaking about the supernatural, not the natural. Why attack him for what you know not?