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The devil is in the details

allCopacetic:
We will be having an Independence week discount sale, For factory pickups only, on purchases 300k and above. From the 2nd to the 7th of October

Details will be available here before close of Business today.

Apologies for the late update.

Pursuant to my earlier post, In Celebration of our great country and it's "Independence" and in appreciation of our very kind customers, the following prices will apply for Sales under the described terms.


Happy 57th Independence Day Celebration

[quote author=Daboomb post=60922853][/quote]Ha ha ha ha
Which one be this

GoodFaith:
called Coleman last week but it was late
got this prices the next day
1.5mm----N8232
2.5mm---N13575
4mm-----N22430
10mm----N54,222

We will be having an Independence week discount sale, For factory pickups only, on purchases 300k and above. From the 2nd to the 7th of October

Details will be available here before close of Business today.

fash78:
Got some new designs. I was told the price is N60K fabrication and installation. I think this is too expensive.
Does anyone have idea on fair prices for these types of window/door shields? Location is Lagos.

I think i prefer the design in The very first picture. The one with a grey coloured frame that looks non metal.

It's simple and still stylish

gabbytabby:
Nepa tupically will not agree to the connection if not to meter from pole. Unless you want to keep paying egunje as they will send new or different staff to you who will query the connection.

It shouldn't be a problem if It doesn't contravene any of the installation guidelines.
The path along which the cable runs....( from the pole all the way to entering the meter) must be external and clearly visible .
Multi unit apartment buildings that share a supply/service cable must have a Busbar Chamber or a similar stepup. There's no way around it.

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back2sender:
Thanks Oga mow, this gotten thinking I can have all the meter in one section just like you just asked and the cut out. This is why I love this thread, knowledge abounds here
Many thanks to Dabomb , allcopacetic, twinkenny for coming to my rescue rescue

Happy to help Chief.

Your meters don't have to be together by the way, You can apply the fuse units method and still have your meters located anywhere you want. You just need to decide which is more efficient (neater, cost effective etc) for you.

The key thing is the supply is going to go from one set of fuse units to the other (Using 16mm alum or even the same size of load cable if you still have some left) then go from the fuse
units to the meter. So you're looking at 3 sets of fuse units (totalling 9) and 3 neutral connectors.

If you had individual supply cables for all the meters it wouldn't be a must for the supply to enter the fuse units first. It can enter either the meters first or fuse units ( Which in this case act as phase changers or phase selectors)

But since you have only one supply cables it cannot enter the meter first.

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back2sender:
Maybewam not getting it as the equipment should be called.
I don't want to do 3 wire connections(9wires) From the pole to each of the flats but rather one wire connection (3 wires) From the Nepa pole and the equipment Makes it easier to connect to the 3 Prepaid Meter.
What's the equipment I can use and cost of such an equipment?

Yes, chief i believe you're mistaken.
From your description what you are in need of is a Busbar Chamber.

Busbar chambers can be used to distribute (so to speak) power to sections of a multi unit building when they share an incoming supply cable.
That said, I honestly don't see the point of having a busbar for just 3 units of one-bed apartments. Unless of course you don't mind the expenditure. The smallest size of busbar commercially available is 100A , coming at 30-35k for Indian brands like Havells, and upwards of that for brands like ABB EATON etc.
You can however find a way around it with the intelligent use of fuse units (cutout). If your elect is proactive.

Are the meter points for the three units in the same location or is each situated in the individual apartment ?

back2sender:
Allcopacetic over to you for expertise.

What kind of distribution box can i used for 3 one bedroom flats prepaid meter installations in each of the flat. I was asked to get a distribution box so that i dont have to do 3 direct connections from the pole but just one connection and the distribution box to connect the other 2 flats.

Its a 3phase meter for each flat.

Just a simple one with Cost idea and picture if available.
Thanks alot

You want a 3phase meter for each flat, but one Distribution board for all three. .. that is counter-intuitive .

Distribution Boards are for internal circuitry. The type or number of distribution boards you have doesn't have anything to do with how you intended to do the servicing. Unless we're not talking about the same thing.

InvertedHammer:
Annual average wage of plumber is $50k-$60k?

I hope you understand how average is computed. No need of mentioning regional rates. A plumber in Idaho may not come close to a plumber in SoCal. Just saying...

Pay Nigerian workers N100k per day, the result will be the same. They don't have the patience to learn a trade. It gets worse with no central certification. Anyone can buy a headpan and trowel and become a mason overnight. No be to hold blocks with cement?

You know it is not about the labour rate when you look at some houses built in the 50's. The attention to details is very remarkable. But these days, one mason wants to lay 400 blocks in one day because of cost/block . A plumber will get 3 jobs in different cities and the macabre dance starts.

I believe most of the artisans wear bad workmanship as a badge of honour. I can really envisage them giving high-five to one another at the mediocrity of their work... Or so it seems.

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That's what the statistics and maths say, unless you believe the authors are wrong.

Yes I definitely understand. I am not even interested in the particulars...exact, approximate, annual or daily wages and all that.
I just don't understand how it could possibly be up for debate that a country where even the cheapest skilled hand in the cheapest location won't earn less than $12 - $15 per hour is considered cheaper than Nigeria. These well sung "standard rates" are there for different locations.

You are definitely right, the labour or skill inadequacy is a real problem . One that can be best addressed with a fully enforced licensing and qualification structure.

An example is the existence of a body like LECAN ( Licensed Electrical contractors Association of Nigeria) back in the day you had to pass tests to qualify as a member, and they went on feild inspection on branch basis to new sites within the area to ascertain the quality of work. And any non LECAN member found performing or doing electircal jobs were tackled
But now the story is different just about any tom can join, and inspections are just to collect egunje.
Imagine If such a body was fully functional and people engaged only verified LECAN members, imagine how much it would improve the quality of electrical installations country wide.

At bolded points to the pursuit of a better income ( higher labour rate) culminating in shoddy jobs. Which really isnt an excuse by the way, and shouldn't apply to a good mason or workman. A Higher pay won't guarantee better results if the workman in question is inadequate (lazy or unskilled) to start with. Which is where the benefits of having labour standards come in.

Truth be told the standard of living considering the wage or pay back then was better.

In the end, we have a big problem with Skill and Material Inadequacy.

olumide4christ:
Bros...you really hit the nail on the head!!!
At the bolded above, in my dealings with some Nairalanders, I have realized that they fall short of what you have stated...they don't like to hear the truth. When you give them estimates that are higher than what they are expecting, they tend to think you want to cheat them. They won't even respond to your mail or message or even acknowledge/thank you for the time you took to give them estimates free of charge . Penny wise, pound foolish...its so appalling.

Lol, at bolded.
I'm really not suprised
.
Well in the end it is each to his own. I have elected to mind the business that pays me.

You know you deserve it ....

FastShipping:
It a must now.

Thanks.

My pleasure Chief

FastShipping:
Here was question I asked and answer he gave:

Me: Did you do earthing/arrestor during wiring?


Him: We did not do earthing / arrestor as it's a bungalow and it is really not necessary to have it in a building such as urs.


The house is not a small bungalow and I need to ask people who know more about electrical stuff than I do.

While lightning arrestor setups are considered a luxury by some, it is one you should get if you can afford it. It is better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. Low buildings can get struck by lightning too. And if you have sensitive equipments it'll be a disaster.

As for general earthing of Distribution boards sockets etc, that is not even up for discussion. It is an absolute necessity.

skimanski:
Boss You seem to always hit the Nail right at the Point @ Bolded

Abi na, my oga.
In reality we are all consumers and suppliers at some level or the other.
Everybody is selling either a service, skill or commodity. And everybody is also buying something. The difference is in the capacity and industry.

We also all have the right to do what we consider in our best interest and in the manner that best suits us.

EgunMogaji:
You doubt every single personal experience that I’ve put out front my multiple new builds and renovation work in the US.

Lol, this is baffling Chief.

EgunMogaji:
First, it gets my skin crawling when people are called cheap because they are sourcing for the best price.

Secondly, I do feel that it’ll be really helpful if we can have standards in labor fees.

Again u put the cost of Labour before the quality of Labour.... This is where the conflict is .
If there is a standard in labour quality, as obtains in other climes, it'll be very easy to set a standard for the fees, as there is a set, basis for comparison.
Infact the consumers stand to gain more , I can collect as many quotes as I like and pick the most affordable, knowing that each and every quote will lead to the delivery of a good job. In the end it'll even make standard labour rates irrelevant. As some people will be willing to deliver at slightly less to get competitive edge.

You also seem to forget that in other feilds outside of Electircal, I am also a consumer like you, and i know the natural need for good bargains. But This will not make me put the cart before the horse.

EgunMogaji:
So you haven’t hired one before then.

What fight?

By the way, some plumbers pull in six figures.

No, i currently live in Nigeria and haven't had the luxury of getting a home in the US where I can hire a 6 digit plumber.

But then, the question is not who i have not hired , but what the figures are.

I no longer provide any paid services, and frankly i have no vested interests whatsoever in labour matters. my posts are solely academic and coversational

EgunMogaji:
Fake materials should not be in the market under any circumstances.

Setting a standard fee for labor shouldn’t be dependent on licensure.

And I absolutely agree, but which do you think is easier to Implement or regulate? The labour market or the material market.

How can you set a standard fee for labour without a standard qualification or skill benchmark. there will be no basis for comparison

FastShipping:
General earthing.

I think you must be mistaken.
Are you saying absolutely NO earthing was done?
You didn't buy any earth rod or earth cables for the distribution boards etc ?

EgunMogaji:
How do you know? Have you ever hired one or made an attempt to hire one before?

Lol, no be fight na oga Eguns.
I do not need to hire one to know.

I also am very impressed with what it takes to be qualified as one. This is what we NEED!!!!

EgunMogaji:
My original post was asking about standards of pricing in Nigeria.

You're right Chief.

My response was to this However

EgunMogaji:
Bros, please, Nigeria is very expensive. For quality level of material and labor.

kopell:
Egun is right on that one, one can even get for less. The 9k a day labor, some of the guys that work for me even get more then that. If you could remember one of my conversation with you, weren't you surprised when I told that. Still many of them do not want to do nothing good, in term of quality of job. I stand to be challenge on that comment for labor cost.

Lol my oga u know that your case is like one in four dozen.
If we're talking on the larger scale, How many people pay thier skilled techicians that much.
And this one's are skilled technicians o not labour hands.

I don't think a licensed and trained plumber or Carpenter will be paid $25 per day in the US

It is definitely unfortunate if people get paid for good work but in turn do not deliver the value expected.

EgunMogaji:
This is not about Nigeria versus USA.

You spoke about cost comparison which is exactly what this is about, I have no intentions of debating one country over the other

desiji:
I wouldn't have contributed if not that i am living in both worlds, i.e Europe and Africa, there is absolutely no basis for comparism in that you have to look at both at all different levels,per capita income of both lands, value of service, tax returns service if i own my own home Govt subsidies of buying my own home. insurance of the any artisan working for me i.e if a mistake is made i won't be the one carrying the ball. The Nigerian factor ist that any thing planned is liable to change in the next five minutes, different quotes from Artisan with a wide variable leaving the client with the issue of sieving between the chaff and the seed. there is absolutely no basis of caoparism

Your post only lends more to the fact that it it easier for an average person to get those things in place over there, than it is in the Nigeria.

It's easier to earn $25 working in the US than it is to earn N9000 working in Nigeria ( heck more than 70% of Nigerian graduates earn less per day)
The dispute is in the cost of getting the same quality of job and or buying the same item here vs over there. Skilled labour is cheap in Nigeria, in comparison to the west even though i agree that in most cases the expertise will vary.

@ bolded is the reason why I made the earlier post about what our building industry truly needs. A unification of standard

Each environment has it's peculiarities

EgunMogaji:
“quality level of material and labor.”

At $25 ( approx N9000) per day, I'm sure you can get julius berger level artisans in Nigeria. Afterall the Julius berger works aren't done by expatriates they're done by our local artisans with the requisite training.

Again, any material that isn't manufactured in The US or North America is more likely to be cheaper in Nigeria than it is in the US. The problem will be finding it.

FastShipping:
Hello

What is your view about no earthing/thunder arrestor for a bungalow or ranch house? My contractor told me they didnt find it necessary to do during wiring because my house is not a duplex. I'm worried.

Are you talking about general earthing (of sockets, Distribution Boards etc) or just that associated with the lightning arrestor ?