davidylan:

Well the reverse chance argument is based on ignorance not facts. Infact its even more improbable.

Pls show me how to create my own sun by smashing some atoms together.

davidylan:

Christian scientists are not obligated to "scientifically demonstrate their faith" just the same way atheist scientists have consistently FAILED to demonstrate the basic premise of their own "faith" i.e. that God doesnt exist.
You argued earlier that faith is divorced from occupation THEN go right ahead to accuse christian scientists of being seduced by "irrational religion"?

I think many of you simply post without a clear understanding of what it is you wish to pass across.

buda atum:



Its that last quote that makes me jump into this thread, the notion that a humanist cannot be religious, though, let me first attend to the dichotomy raised between religion and reason.

Maybe I should make it clear that because of the many groups and people who today call themselves Humanists,  a new term, Secular Humanism has come to dinstinguish real Humanism from the rest.Secular humanism and atheism are not identical. One can be an atheist and not a secular humanist or humanist. Indeed, some thinkers or activists who call themselves atheists explicitly reject humanist ethical values (for example, Stalin, Lenin, Nietzsche, and others). Nor is secular humanism the same thing as humanism by itself; it is surely sharply different from religious humanism.



On that note, going back to the idea that a humanist cannot be a religious person. Please consider first that humanism did not always mean one is an atheist, it pure meant one had concern for one's fellow humans, and I would assert that Christ, Buddha, and Mohammed, to name but a few exemplified this love of the humankind, in general. In my mind, religion that does not hold that human being at its core can be defined as devil worship, I would suggest.
should also make it clear that secular humanism is not antireligious; it is simply nonreligious. There is a difference.

Secular humanists are nontheists; they may be atheists, agnostics, or skeptics about the God question and/or immortality of the soul. To say that we are nonreligious means, that is, that we are not religious; ours is a scientific, ethical, and philosophical  This means that, as secular humanists, we offer good practical wisdom based on ethics, science, and philosophy.

Ethics is an autonomous field of inquiry, independent of theological claims, amenable to rational scrutiny, testing value judgments by their consequences.
Ethical values and judgments are relative to human interests, needs, desires, ends, and values; they are open to objective criticism and evaluation.
Fulfillment, realization, and maximization of human freedom and happiness are what humanists seek, both for the individual and the community.
Thus there are ethical responsibilities that humanists hold toward others within the community, on the interpersonal level, the level of the democratic society, and the planetary community as well.
Clearly, secular humanism is not equivalent to atheism—it is far more than that. Similarly, secular humanism finds itself at odds with religious humanism, since its outlook is clearly nonreligious. It goes beyond any negative skeptical inquiry insofar as it seeks to provide a positive and affirmative alternative to customary moral and religious practices.

BlueDiva:

I don't know how people can say there is no GOD.

Just thinking of the clouds, the sun, the stars, the ocean is enough to know there is a supreme being.

Its that simple, how did this things come to be?
Forget the evolutionary theories, the big bang stories.

It could only have been the hand work of a supreme being.

Pastor AIO:

Is that your point, or Thomas Jefferson's point?

davidylan:

Dont you just want to laugh when these atheists try to ascribe to themselves the exclusive ability to "reason" and "science"?
Who told you christians cant reason and are not scientists? You are not a christian . . . do you believe you have more intelligence than Isaac Newton who was a christian?

What "science" are you talking about? Are you scientifically knowledgeable yourself? I know many born again christians who are scientists, surgeons and engineers in the USA. What are you?