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Pyrrho:
The time you spend trying to understand some ancient manuscripts, racking your brain around simple texts in order to develop different interpretations could be used to actually save someone really.

We have been there bro. We've done all that. And you know what I mean. There is no spirit revealing shit. The human mind is naturally inclined to visualize patterns. It's nothing new.

I bet you Hardmirror is still a better preacher. All you truly needed was to believe it is true. Even the Buddhist monks medidates and comes up with revelation. And some are giving credit to the prayers made to Buddha as the reason behind Leicester United's victory in the EPL.

Think about it, just think. There is nothing supernatural about visions.

There's no spirit here revealing poo, but the mere thought of it gives you severe constipation, you can neither eat or sleep. You run from thread to thread looking for us, wishing to assure yourself that these things are indeed lies, but alas, they are true.
If I were you, I will write the Christians off, since I have written their God off.
It's actually insecurity that keeps you here day and night really.
Listen, I dodn't believe in reincarnation, I dodn't believe in Astral projections. Go into their threads, you won't find me there.
If Seun, had made provisions for atheists to have their own platform(which I believe, I didn't on purpose) to discuss their atheism, you wouldn't have seen me there. When I write you off, You dodn't exist as far as am concern. But for you to write us off, but are here more than we are, ha, I think you are crying more than the bereaved.
Get a life.

Gombs:
I John 2:19
King James Bible
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

I have tried to understand what was behind the mind of John when he wrote the above words, and not until recently, I understood. I have read to a bearable extent the tales by Hardmirror, and I could relate with them for they are nothing but the attack of the devil. The devil never really changed his tactics, he' s been in the business of questioning all God has said or done for us. He questioned Jesus after God told all creation to listen to Him, He questioned God's instruction to Adam via Eve, even when Jesus healed Lazarus the bible told us the devil through some folks sought to re-kill lazarus, just to deny the fact that a miracle happened to the glory of God.

When we became Christians we became a target constantly bombard by the devil, and the intensity grows as you walk in the Spirit doing the supernatural. It's recorded in the bible where miracles were wrought and some folks as today wanted to deny the miracle...It's been a hard trick of the devil even in today's church. Let me give another example of such, aside that of Lazarus.

Peter and John just finished doing some miracles, and them religious/sceptic folks of the day (same as today's) didn't like it at all, infact they had to summon them. The man healed was not a child, bible said so, and these rulers really wanting to deny this miracle, but the healed man was standing right before them, so in verse 16 and 17, they said something remarkably amazing in Acts 4

“What are we going to do with these men?” they asked. “Everyone living in Jerusalem knows they have performed a notable sign, [size=18pt]and we cannot deny it. [/size] 17 But to stop this thing from spreading any further among the people, we must warn them to speak no longer to anyone in this name.”

from he above, we see the devil hasn't stopped the same old trick of questioning miracles (he does it through his kids mostly), But why would they want to deny the miracle? Why did they want to stop the gospel from spreading further, seeing it just healed someone? From the above, I found out that this gospel has been severally tried to be wiped out by several rulers, kingdoms, empires etc...but they all came and passed away, but this gospel remained. I used to think God kept folks in different generation to preserve the gospel, they even called King James the defender of the Faith, but i found out GOD NEVER NEEDED ANYONE TO DEFEND THE GOSPEL. The gospel has its own life...it will and cannot be stopped.

What made me not bother trying to reach further to Hardmirror was what the bible told me, after his brouhaha. He scoffed at the word of truth he claimed to have handled; in fact, he just fulfilled scriptures.

Jude 1: 18-19
New Living Translation
They told you that in the last times there would be scoffers whose purpose in life is to satisfy their ungodly desires.
These people are the ones who are creating divisions among you. They follow their natural instincts because they do not have God's Spirit in them.


Whae Hardmorror went through or experienced is not alien to other christians. I have had down times I questioned what i believed in. There were times I wanted to throw in the towel... But when i think of the word of truth I've handled, when i see the lives of those who this message has changed, when i get text messages of those who kept thanking me for leading them to Christ, when i think of the fellowship with he Spirit, and answered prayers... When I think of those who look up to me for inspiration in the faith (I teach foundation school, and all my student don't turn out ordinary, except they chose so)... I take solace by the Spirit in one of my favorite scripture

1 Corinthians 15:58 New International Version (NIV)

58 Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, [size=14pt]stand firm[/size]. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves [size=15pt]fully[/size] to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.


Paul wrote, we are pressed on both sides, but never crushed, perplexed but never in despair, persecuted but not abandoned, stuck down but not destroyed. Dear Hardmirror, if you created those thread truly after saying you did all those for God, then i could only say may it not totally be true. I just hope there's still hope for you... Your ranting here does not stop God from being Great, neither does your denial of His existence prove His inexistence...but i tell most guys who do not want to be accountable and responsible for the morality, who suddenly claim they are atheists, and throw everything down to disprove God's existence is... "Every knee will bow and every tongue willl confess that Jesus is Lord". It's just a matter of time.

*drops mic

Sir, HardMirror was but a plant amidst God's church. A time as this has been appointed for him and his kind, come out of the fold and start what he is doing now. The motive is to cause the straddlers to fall off.
Joining this Forum gives me a clear view and good understanding of the Parable of the Tares and wheat.
I see clearly what their ministry is, amidst the wheat.
Weaken and kill the wheat.

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Matthew:18:6

HardMirror Weldone and good luck.

Joagbaje:
2 2 Timothy 2:13
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Even if a thousand epistles are written against God it doesn't change him from being God. Most atheist actually believe in Gods existence but just choose to deny him out of grievance or whatever reason.

I just returned from a trip to isreal and it's wonderful that biblical historical facts were preserved . Every christian should visit the place

I tried to follow your thread to really get to know what tool the enemy use to get at you . I tried also to discuss with you but you weren't responding . Whatever the reason why you were offended against God. Is not enough to take steps that could affect the faith of young ones .

I still believe in you that whatever the distraction is ,you will come out of it and come back to your first love . I shouldn't have bothered about the write up . Because a backslided. Leader cannot be redeemed again . As the bible declared ..

Hebrews 6:4-6
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Why your matter God my attention was the fact that you talked about having performed miracles and operating in the gifts of the spirit like prophecy Etc. Which you acknowledged were real . It's contradictory if you claimed they were real and you deny them again.

Some people deny God by ignorance ,some others may deny God by fear. I still do believe that you still have your salvation in you . And whatever offended you , if you have questions that brought doubts to your heart you could have just asked the questions than pouring venom against Gods word.

Miracles are real. Salvation is real . Heaven is real ,he'll is real . God is real . Judgement day is real . The miracles and gift of prophecies that manifested through you were real. What you are experiencing is an attack of the enemy because the call of God is upon you.

Think of the bible . It's prophecies by Daniel . The fulfillment . Isreal becoming a nation again . After its named had been wiped off the world map. A nation was born in a day according to scriptures . The prediction of the rise of the empires . Meds ,Persian ,Greek (Alexander the great ) Roman . They all came to pass . The birth of christ was fortold . Exact date was given of when christ would come and when he will be killed in the book of Daniel . Doubts may come to us once in a while but they come to cause us to be strengthened .

I pray for you and for others who's faith may experience attacks of the enemy . That you be strengthened with might by the spirit of God in your inner man.

Man of God sir. As you rightly pointed out, there's yet no hope for this one. He is lost. He has crucified Christ a second time.

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Hebrews:6:4-6
Let HardMirror go. There's nothing you can do for him. That's why I don't bother with him. God is no respected of persons.

The above passage is why Islam Hates Apostle Paul to bits. Apostle Paul, clearly defines who they are in the covenant.

But wait... Who said Islam was going to prevail?
Okay, let's for the sake of argument agree that these folk are the descendants of Ismail, what does the covenant or prophecy say about the descendants of Ismail? Let's see. Gen 16:12 says Ismail shall be a wild man, his hands shall be agaisnt everyone and everyone's hands shall be agaisnt him. (causing trouble and headache for everyone in the world) but he will live amongst his people. Meaning we can't help but live with them, but them prevail over us? Na lie.
Why is that? The covenant is with Isaac, the seed of Promise, not with Ismail the seed of Slavery.

Galatians 4:22-26 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondmaid and one by the free woman.

But whereas the child of the slave woman was born according to the flesh and had an ordinary birth, the son of the free woman was born in fulfillment of the promise.

Now all this is an allegory; these [two women] represent two covenants. One covenant originated from Mount Sinai [where the Law was given] and bears [children destined] for slavery; this is Hagar.

Now Hagar is (stands for) Mount Sinai in Arabia and she corresponds to and belongs in the same category with the present Jerusalem, for she is in bondage together with her children.

But the Jerusalem above (the Messianic kingdom of Christ) is free, and she is our mother.

Did you read the part that says, Hagar is bondage, she and her children?

Here is where the Jealousy agaisnt the Jews and Christians stems from. They know they don't have a future, they are fighting so hard to get it by force. But, by and large, the Promises of the Lord stands sure.
They are slaves,and slaves can't rule over the Princes.

AlfaSeltzer:
Oga HardMirror, you need to fortify yourself. Things don't happen for nothing.

Follow the logic and see where it leads you: 2 accidents since becoming an atheist means that god is very angry with you and has just given you two warnings to turn back to him.

Now that would would be a mistake. The best thing to do is to seek the wisdom of Satan.
With Satan's wisdom, you'll know when to repair your vehicles.
With Satan's wisdom, you will not be foolish not be driving at high speed on bad roads with an unroadworthy car.

Hahahahahahahaha. You are invariably calling him foolish for driving at high speed on a bad road with an unroadworthy car? Imaoo.
Pls Hardmirrow, take this guy's advice, seek the wisdom of Satan, (which you have already sought and found) so that you will have sense. Lwkmd

OgundeleT:
see this nincompoop calling somebody a daft. lol. you answer a mention that is not yours with insult and you think you have common sense? well, common sense is not common they say and since you cant afford little common then i leave you to die as a fool

Like I said, you are not worth my insults. Now move along.

GoodMuyis:
Sorry am not being clear; not a nice writter

The story was taken from I Samuel 21. Prior to that David had defeated Goliath of Gath, as a result of praise from women he incure the hatred of King Soul, who then sought wasy to kill him, but then ran away from home and came to the city of Nob where he met Ahimelech the priest

From there David begin to backslide, from Lying, to eating the shewbread[thouhg he had no option] but there is no account that God is angry with him. From their He collected Goliath Sword freely. His only resolution of safety from King Soul was to go to Achish the king of Gath seeking refuge. Same Gath where Goliath came from, also having Goliath sword in his hand, a sword specially made for that tall guy.

Here David carry to identy i) his face ii) Goliath Sword. at last he was recognized, but he later pretend to be mad (shame to him). May be he would have being killed.

The Moral lesson is that no matter the challenges; a Christian especially those who have tasted much of his grace should not stoop so low
(1) to the extent of lying to save self
(2) should dare not run to the enemy camp for safety i.e. seeking refuge under satan; visitn witches, soucerer etc to solve life problem

Our twofold Hope (Heaven and deliverance) should keep us standing...

Okay. Very clear now. There's indeed no safety in the enemy's camp.

GoodMuyis:
Dan456 Sir, am not old enough to instruct you. but i will say your dream is exactly as you have dreamt it, I may be wrong cos am not interpreter of dream.

Around 2008-2009 i once had a dream, seeing my then youth leader, asking me what did i want God to do for me? My answer went out of my was "I Just Want Live for God all my Life" o something similar if not correctly stated.

In reality, i would have asked for success in my WAEC, NECO, JAMB. but i say something my soul actually desire not bodily desire.

I later come to realise that, the person was an angel not my youth leader.

What you see is God message, a Preacher you become, take care of your child so she will not be a discouragement to your ministry.

Dont worry sir, if noting is happening now, greater works shall ye do in fullness of time

This is just my Opinion.

CharlyG1, Oyeludef, superior1, Analice107 or Anas09 you are needed here

Sir, am the least to be mentioned in this case. I know nothing about dreams. You have indeed mentioned the brothers who shd help here, and they will.

GoodMuyis:
AM WARNING YOU ALL AND THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE MY LAST, BECAUSE I CANT SIT BACK AND WATCH YOU ...

You are a David, defeated Goliath of Gath
You lied to a priest, God did not take offence.
You went to Nob enter into the temple and eat the priest food God is not angry.
You took the sword of Goliath of Gath whom you slew, no body complains.

Now you want to start an apostasy journey to gath, the city of goliath and enemy of God you killed!

Do you think his family who were co-enemy of God will not recognized you?

STOP RIGHT THERE

If you proceed into gath, you will bring shame and reproach upon the anointing you've received

BE AWARE..

Happy Sunday, this is a piece I brought from church today

I can't get the morale of it. Pls throw more light.

Demmzy15:
Stark illiterate , so because you've quoted Hindu we should start throwing back flip abi? Better go and watch Madrid match, sadist oshi

Next??!!

If I will to go back on my words and join words with you, I will call you a slowpoke. How long shall the truth come to you before you will see that muhammad was evil and that islam is the religion of Satan?
Did you even read through that article? That prophecy about Muhammed and the entire Islamic world and their activities foretold is not accurate enough for you? You swinehead what else do you want to see before you will believe. Muhammed according to that prophecy was a demonic reincarnate. Just look around the world and see Islamic activities, only demons are capable of what muslims do.

annunaki2:
So it was predicted that mahamada would start a demonic religion. Now that is some deadly accurate prediction.

My brother, so accurate. He will start a vile and demonic religion whose followers won't eat Pork. But today muslims claim Muhammed is the best thing that ever happened to the Arab world.

Rilwayne001:
Mtsheew.

You have seen now for sure that Muhammed was a false prophet that even in Hindu religion he was prophesied as so. And all you can do is sigh? You can do better than that.

johnydon22:
If horses invents a God, it would be in the image of a horse.

What is God? In all your life, have you ever heard "God is Spirit?"
If God is a Spirit, what does that mean?
Ah nawaOoo. When it comes to God our senses take leave of us, or do we do these things deliberately?
God =Spirit. He created man in his spiritual Image, but MAN won't be living in the spiritual realm, but physical and material, hence a material body.
MAN IS PRIMARILY A SPIRIT, WHO WAS GIVEN A BODY TO ENABLE HIM FUNCTION IN A MATERIEL WORLD.
CHAI.
For the last time, GOD IS NOT A MAN. HE IS A SPIRIT.
MEN, CIRCUMCIZES NOT GOD.

lezz:
Hi, are you same as analice107?

Yup.

OgundeleT:
the one you claim it exist

See who has sense. This is the last I dignify you with an answer. You are too daft to get my time.

Ah, this Muhammad or Mahamada is such a great man, wow.

Blackfire:
Hmmm father's love..
I promise when i ve my own kids i will give them all the love in the world.

I will make sure none of them repeat my mistakes.. And in all the places my father ve had his short comings towards me, i will learn from it to better my kids life.

Unfortunately when u disdain your parents, as u grow up u find yourself doing exactly the samething.

I agree.

The Bhavishya Purana has a reference regarding someone named Mahamada, which some people are very eager to make the claim that it means Prophet Mohammed, thus saying that the Prophet is predicted in the Vedic literature. But before we come to that conclusion, with additional research, let us take a closer look to see what the full reference to Mahamada really says.
It is explained in the Bhavishya Purana (Parva 3, Khand 3, Adhya 3, verses 5-6) that “An illiterate mleccha [foreigner] teacher will appear, Mahamada is his name, and he will give religion to his fifth-class companions.” This does not describe much in regard to his life, but it does mention someone by the name of Mahamada, and what he was expected to do, which was to give his own form of religion to the lower classes of his region. Some people suggest this person to be Prophet Mohammed, and are, thus, most willing to accept that Prophet Mohammed was predicted in the Bhavishya Purana . Some Muslims then suggest that if he was predicted in this way by a Vedic text, then Hindus should all accept Mohammed and become Muslims. However, on the other hand, it would seem odd that Muslims would accept a Vedic text to try to convince Hindus to become Muslims. But if we look at the full translation of this story, they may not want to jump to the conclusion that this story represents Prophet Mohammed.
So here is the Roman transliteration of the Sanskrit in the Bhavishya Purana , however accurate it may be (Prati Sarga: Part III, 3.3.5-27).
mahamadh ithi khayat, shishya-sakha-samniviyath 5
……. mahadev marusthal nivasinam.
mahadevthe snanya-pya punch-gavua samnivithya
tripurarsur-nashav bahu-maya pravathiney 7
malech-dharma shav shudhaya sat-chit-anandaya swarupye,
thva ma hei kinkare vidhii sharanaghatham 8
suta uvacha: ithi shurthiya sthav deva shabadh-mah nupaya tam,
gath-vaya bhojraj-ney mahakhaleshwar-sthale 9
malech-shu dhushita bhumi-vahika nam-vishritha
arya dharma hi nav-vathra vahike desh-darunya 10
vamu-vatra maha-mayi yo-sav dagdho myaa pura
tripuro bali-daithyane proshith punaragath 11
ayoni sa varo math prasava daithyo-vrudhan
mahamadh ithi khayath , paishacha-kruthi thathpar 12
nagathvaya thvya bhup paisachae desh-vartake
math prasadhayane bhupal tav shudhii prajayathe 13
thi shruthva nupshav svadesha-napu maragmath
mahamadh toi sdhav sindhu-thir mupaye-yav 14
uchav bhupati premane mahamadh-virshad
tva deva maharaja das-tva magath 15
mamo-chit sabhu jiya-dhatha tatpashya bho nup
ithi shruthya ththa hata para vismaya-magath16
malechdhano mathi-shasi-tatsaya bhupasaya darutho17
tucha tva kalidas-sthu rusha praah mahamadham
maya-thei nirmithi dhutharya nush-mohan-hethvei 18
hanishyami-duravara vahik purusha-dhamum
ityak va sa jidh shrimanava-raja-tathpar 19
japthya dush-sah-trayach tah-sahansh juhav sa
bhasm mutva sa mayavi malech-dev-tva-magath 20
maybhithashtu tachya-shyaa desh vahii-kamayuuah
guhitva svaguro-bhasm madaheen tva-magatham 21
swapiit tav bhu-ghyot-thro-shrumadh-tathpara
madaheen puro jath thosha trith sayam smurthaum 22
rathri sa dev-roop-shav bahu-maya-virshad
paisacha deha-marathaya bhojraj hi so trivith 23
arya-dharmo hei to raja-sarvoutham smurth
ishapraya karinayami paishacha dharma darunbhu 24
linga-chedri shikhaheen shamshu dhaari sa dhushak
yukhalapi sarva bhakshi bhavishyat jano maum 25
vina kaul cha pashav-thosha bhakshava matha maum
muslanav sanskar kushariv bhavishyat 26
tasman-musal-vanto hi jathiyo dharma dhushika
ithi pishacha-dharma mya kruth 27
To set the scene, in this section of the Bhavishya Purana , Shri Suta Gosvami first explained that previously, in the dynasty of King Shalivahana, there were ten kings who went to the heavenly planets after ruling for over 500 years. [This gives these kings roughly 50 years of rule for each one.] Then gradually the morality declined on the planet. At that time, Bhojaraja was the tenth of the kings on the earth [who would have ruled about 450 years after King Shalivahana]. When he saw that the moral law of conduct was declining, he went to conquer all the directions of his country with ten-thousand soldiers commanded by Kalidasa. He crossed the river Sindhu [modern Indus River] going northward and conquered over the gandharas [the area of Afghanistan], mlecchas [present-day region of Turkey], shakas , Kashmiris [Kashmir and present-day Pakistan], naravas, andsathas . Crossing the Sindhu, he conquered the mlecchas in Gandhar and the shaths in Kashmir. King Bhoj grabbed their treasure and then punished them.
Then, as verses 7-8 relate, the Aryan King Bhojaraja, who had already left India for the lands across the Sindhu River and to the west, meets Mahamada [some say this is Mohammed], the preceptor of the mleccha-dharma [religion of the mlecchas ], who had arrived with his followers. Thereafter, however, the King went to worship the image of Lord Mahadev, the great god Shiva, situated in the marusthal , desert. King Bhoj bathed the image of Shiva with Ganges water and worshiped him in his mind with panchagavya (the five purificatory elements from the cow, consisting of milk, ghee, yogurt, cow dung, and cow urine), along with sandalwood paste, etc., and offered him, the image of Shiva, sincere prayers and devotion. King Bhoj prayed to Lord Mahadev, “O Girijanath who stays in the marusthal (land of deserts), I offer my prayers to you. You have forced maya [the illusory energy] to destroy Tripurasur [the demon Tripura]; but the mlecchas are now worshiping you. You are pure and sat-chit-anand swaroop [eternal knowledge and bliss]. I am your sevak[servant]. I have come under your protection.”
Verses 10-27 relates next that Suta Goswami explained: After hearing the king’s prayers and being pleased with him, Lord Shiva said: “Let the King go to Mahakaleshwar (Ujjain) in the land of Vahika, which is now contaminated by mlecchas . O King, the land where you are standing, that is popular by the name of Bahik, has been polluted by the mlecchas . In that terrible country there no longer exists Dharma. There was a mystic demon named Tripura (Tripurasura), whom I have already burnt to ashes once before, he has come again by the order of Bali. He has no origin but he achieved a benediction from me. His name is Mahamada and his deeds are like that of a ghost. Therefore, O king, you should not go to this land of the evil ghost. By my mercy your intelligence will be purified.” [This would seem to indicate that this Mahamada was an incarnation of the demon Tripura.] So hearing this, the king came back to his country and Mahamada came with them, but only to the bank of the river Sindhu. He was expert in expanding illusion, so he said to the king very pleasingly, “O great king, your god has become my servant. Just see, as he eats my remnants, so I will show you.”
The king became surprised when he saw this happening before them. Then in anger Kalidasa, the king’s commander, rebuked Mahamada, “O rascal, you have created an illusion to bewilder the king, I will kill you, you are the lowest…” Then the king left that area.
Later, in the form of a ghostly presence, the expert illusionist Mahamada appeared at night in front of King Bhojaraja and said: “O King, your religion is of course known as the best religion among all. Still, by the order of the Lord, I am going to establish a terrible and demoniac religion and enforce a strong creed over the meat-eaters [ mlecchas ]. My followers will be known by their cut [circumcised] genitals, they will have no shikha [tuft of hair on their head, like Brahmanas], but will have a beard, make noise loudly, and eat all kinds of animals except swine without observing any rituals. They will perform purificatory acts with the musala, and thus be called musalman, and not purify their things with kusha grass [one of the Vedic customs]. Thus, I will be the originator of this adharmic [opposed to Vedic or Aryan Dharma] and demoniac religion of the meat-eating nations.” After having heard all this, the Bhavishya Purana goes on to relate that King Bhojaraja returned to his land and palace, and that ghost of the man also went back to his own place.
It is lastly described how the intelligent king, Bhojaraja, established the language of Sanskrit amongst the threevarnas — the Brahmanas, Kshatriyas and Vaisyas — and for the Shudras he established prakrita-bhasha , the ordinary language spoken by common men. After ruling his kingdom for another 50 years, he went to the heavenly planets. The moral laws established by him were honored even by the demigods. The arya-varta , the pious land is situated between Vindhyachala and Himachala, or the mountains known as Vindhya and Himalaya. The Aryans reside there, but the varna-sankaras reside on the lower part of Vindhya. The musalman people were kept on the other [northwestern] side of the river Sindhu.
* * *
Thus, from the interpretations of the present editions of the Bhavishya Purana that are available, it seems to say there was someone named Mahamada that King Bhojaraja met in the desert, who was supposedly a reappearance of the Tripura demon, who would start his own religion for those mlecchas who are unable to follow the spiritual codes of the deeper aspects of spiritual culture, or Vedic Dharma, and who would also spread adharma , or that religion that would be opposed to Vedic Dharma. Plus, Mahamada knew and accepted the depth of the Vedic spiritual path and admitted to its superiority. But is Mahamada really Prophet Mohammed?

Cc: Empiree
Lexiconkabir
Rilwayne001
Wordsworld. Come oo. It's true Muhammed was predicted not only by Moses in the Bible but by Hindu religion too.
Annuaki,
Malvisguy
Truthman2012

The Bhavishya Purana has a reference regarding someone named Mahamada, which some people are very eager to make the claim that it means Prophet Mohammed, thus saying that the Prophet is predicted in the Vedic literature. But before we come to that conclusion, with additional research, let us take a closer look to see what the full reference to Mahamada really says.
It is explained in the Bhavishya Purana (Parva 3, Khand 3, Adhya 3, verses 5-6) that “An illiterate mleccha [foreigner] teacher will appear, Mahamada is his name, and he will give religion to his fifth-class companions.” This does not describe much in regard to his life, but it does mention someone by the name of Mahamada, and what he was expected to do, which was to give his own form of religion to the lower classes of his region. Some people suggest this person to be Prophet Mohammed, and are, thus, most willing to accept that Prophet Mohammed was predicted in the Bhavishya Purana . Some Muslims then suggest that if he was predicted in this way by a Vedic text, then Hindus should all accept Mohammed and become Muslims. However, on the other hand, it would seem odd that Muslims would accept a Vedic text to try to convince Hindus to become Muslims. But if we look at the full translation of this story, they may not want to jump to the conclusion that this story represents Prophet Mohammed.
So here is the Roman transliteration of the Sanskrit in the Bhavishya Purana , however accurate it may be (Prati Sarga: Part III, 3.3.5-27).
mahamadh ithi khayat, shishya-sakha-samniviyath 5
……. mahadev marusthal nivasinam.
mahadevthe snanya-pya punch-gavua samnivithya
tripurarsur-nashav bahu-maya pravathiney 7
malech-dharma shav shudhaya sat-chit-anandaya swarupye,
thva ma hei kinkare vidhii sharanaghatham 8
suta uvacha: ithi shurthiya sthav deva shabadh-mah nupaya tam,
gath-vaya bhojraj-ney mahakhaleshwar-sthale 9
malech-shu dhushita bhumi-vahika nam-vishritha
arya dharma hi nav-vathra vahike desh-darunya 10
vamu-vatra maha-mayi yo-sav dagdho myaa pura
tripuro bali-daithyane proshith punaragath 11
ayoni sa varo math prasava daithyo-vrudhan
mahamadh ithi khayath , paishacha-kruthi thathpar 12
nagathvaya thvya bhup paisachae desh-vartake
math prasadhayane bhupal tav shudhii prajayathe 13
thi shruthva nupshav svadesha-napu maragmath
mahamadh toi sdhav sindhu-thir mupaye-yav 14
uchav bhupati premane mahamadh-virshad
tva deva maharaja das-tva magath 15
mamo-chit sabhu jiya-dhatha tatpashya bho nup
ithi shruthya ththa hata para vismaya-magath16
malechdhano mathi-shasi-tatsaya bhupasaya darutho17
tucha tva kalidas-sthu rusha praah mahamadham
maya-thei nirmithi dhutharya nush-mohan-hethvei 18
hanishyami-duravara vahik purusha-dhamum
ityak va sa jidh shrimanava-raja-tathpar 19
japthya dush-sah-trayach tah-sahansh juhav sa
bhasm mutva sa mayavi malech-dev-tva-magath 20
maybhithashtu tachya-shyaa desh vahii-kamayuuah
guhitva svaguro-bhasm madaheen tva-magatham 21
swapiit tav bhu-ghyot-thro-shrumadh-tathpara
madaheen puro jath thosha trith sayam smurthaum 22
rathri sa dev-roop-shav bahu-maya-virshad
paisacha deha-marathaya bhojraj hi so trivith 23
arya-dharmo hei to raja-sarvoutham smurth
ishapraya karinayami paishacha dharma darunbhu 24
linga-chedri shikhaheen shamshu dhaari sa dhushak
yukhalapi sarva bhakshi bhavishyat jano maum 25
vina kaul cha pashav-thosha bhakshava matha maum
muslanav sanskar kushariv bhavishyat 26
tasman-musal-vanto hi jathiyo dharma dhushika
ithi pishacha-dharma mya kruth 27
To set the scene, in this section of the Bhavishya Purana , Shri Suta Gosvami first explained that previously, in the dynasty of King Shalivahana, there were ten kings who went to the heavenly planets after ruling for over 500 years. [This gives these kings roughly 50 years of rule for each one.] Then gradually the morality declined on the planet. At that time, Bhojaraja was the tenth of the kings on the earth [who would have ruled about 450 years after King Shalivahana]. When he saw that the moral law of conduct was declining, he went to conquer all the directions of his country with ten-thousand soldiers commanded by Kalidasa. He crossed the river Sindhu [modern Indus River] going northward and conquered over the gandharas [the area of Afghanistan], mlecchas [present-day region of Turkey], shakas , Kashmiris [Kashmir and present-day Pakistan], naravas, andsathas . Crossing the Sindhu, he conquered the mlecchas in Gandhar and the shaths in Kashmir. King Bhoj grabbed their treasure and then punished them.
Then, as verses 7-8 relate, the Aryan King Bhojaraja, who had already left India for the lands across the Sindhu River and to the west, meets Mahamada [some say this is Mohammed], the preceptor of the mleccha-dharma [religion of the mlecchas ], who had arrived with his followers. Thereafter, however, the King went to worship the image of Lord Mahadev, the great god Shiva, situated in the marusthal , desert. King Bhoj bathed the image of Shiva with Ganges water and worshiped him in his mind with panchagavya (the five purificatory elements from the cow, consisting of milk, ghee, yogurt, cow dung, and cow urine), along with sandalwood paste, etc., and offered him, the image of Shiva, sincere prayers and devotion. King Bhoj prayed to Lord Mahadev, “O Girijanath who stays in the marusthal (land of deserts), I offer my prayers to you. You have forced maya [the illusory energy] to destroy Tripurasur [the demon Tripura]; but the mlecchas are now worshiping you. You are pure and sat-chit-anand swaroop [eternal knowledge and bliss]. I am your sevak[servant]. I have come under your protection.”
Verses 10-27 relates next that Suta Goswami explained: After hearing the king’s prayers and being pleased with him, Lord Shiva said: “Let the King go to Mahakaleshwar (Ujjain) in the land of Vahika, which is now contaminated by mlecchas . O King, the land where you are standing, that is popular by the name of Bahik, has been polluted by the mlecchas . In that terrible country there no longer exists Dharma. There was a mystic demon named Tripura (Tripurasura), whom I have already burnt to ashes once before, he has come again by the order of Bali. He has no origin but he achieved a benediction from me. His name is Mahamada and his deeds are like that of a ghost. Therefore, O king, you should not go to this land of the evil ghost. By my mercy your intelligence will be purified.” [This would seem to indicate that this Mahamada was an incarnation of the demon Tripura.] So hearing this, the king came back to his country and Mahamada came with them, but only to the bank of the river Sindhu. He was expert in expanding illusion, so he said to the king very pleasingly, “O great king, your god has become my servant. Just see, as he eats my remnants, so I will show you.”
The king became surprised when he saw this happening before them. Then in anger Kalidasa, the king’s commander, rebuked Mahamada, “O rascal, you have created an illusion to bewilder the king, I will kill you, you are the lowest…” Then the king left that area.
Later, in the form of a ghostly presence, the expert illusionist Mahamada appeared at night in front of King Bhojaraja and said: “O King, your religion is of course known as the best religion among all. Still, by the order of the Lord, I am going to establish a terrible and demoniac religion and enforce a strong creed over the meat-eaters [ mlecchas ]. My followers will be known by their cut [circumcised] genitals, they will have no shikha [tuft of hair on their head, like Brahmanas], but will have a beard, make noise loudly, and eat all kinds of animals except swine without observing any rituals. They will perform purificatory acts with the musala, and thus be called musalman, and not purify their things with kusha grass [one of the Vedic customs]. Thus, I will be the originator of this adharmic [opposed to Vedic or Aryan Dharma] and demoniac religion of the meat-eating nations.” After having heard all this, the Bhavishya Purana goes on to relate that King Bhojaraja returned to his land and palace, and that ghost of the man also went back to his own place.
It is lastly described how the intelligent king, Bhojaraja, established the language of Sanskrit amongst the threevarnas — the Brahmanas, Kshatriyas and Vaisyas — and for the Shudras he established prakrita-bhasha , the ordinary language spoken by common men. After ruling his kingdom for another 50 years, he went to the heavenly planets. The moral laws established by him were honored even by the demigods. The arya-varta , the pious land is situated between Vindhyachala and Himachala, or the mountains known as Vindhya and Himalaya. The Aryans reside there, but the varna-sankaras reside on the lower part of Vindhya. The musalman people were kept on the other [northwestern] side of the river Sindhu.
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Thus, from the interpretations of the present editions of the Bhavishya Purana that are available, it seems to say there was someone named Mahamada that King Bhojaraja met in the desert, who was supposedly a reappearance of the Tripura demon, who would start his own religion for those mlecchas who are unable to follow the spiritual codes of the deeper aspects of spiritual culture, or Vedic Dharma, and who would also spread adharma , or that religion that would be opposed to Vedic Dharma. Plus, Mahamada knew and accepted the depth of the Vedic spiritual path and admitted to its superiority. But is Mahamada really Prophet Mohammed?

trueking:
It's not easy, the closer I try to get to God, it seems the more the battles come, and I wonder where God is in all of this.

We shall have a discussion on this when I Power my phone. But, share my favorite portion of the Bible.

Isaiah 41:10 Fear not [there is nothing to fear], for I am with you; do not look around you in terror and be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen and harden you to difficulties, yes, I will help you; yes, I will hold you up and retain you with My [victorious] right hand of rightness and justice.
This is my best part of the Bible, and I trust Him to keep his words. Trust is every thing.

Pls Concentrate on, "I will strengthen and harden you to difficulties". He didn't say he will take the difficulties away. He said, "When(certainty) you go through the fire, (there's indeed a time to be refined by fire), it will not Consume you. What does not kill you, makes you better.
God did promise us a Crisis free sailing, but he promised that if we remained in the boat, although the tempest will toss, but we will get to our destinations, if you faint not.
He said, "They Will not be ashamed that put their trust in Him".
Stop trying to pls Him, start trusting Him.


We shall talk.
I love you.

Airforce1:
So today I took my niece to go play with her mates at Sweet sensation children funfair in my crib..
She was so happy playing with her mates and I on the other side keeping an eye on her got carried away by the thought of not having enough love by that man that called himself my father back in the days as a kid.

I remember my dad beating me up at every slightest provocation even on children's day.

He is a bad man
I remember catching him with a strange woman while momma was away
But he fucking deceived me she was his course mate back in university.

What made me hate him more was the day he flogged me in the presence of my child hood girl friend .
I can't forget that day.
He messed me up so badly that I had to run to momma to ask if that man was actually my father.

I hate him with passion.

Till these present day that I'm grown up , I don't even call him , I don't care about him... I only care about mom because she gave me confidence , showed me love and treat me right .


So to the parents reading my story, you've got to be not just mom and dad to your children , you've got to be friends with them too so they don't go online and write my kind of story about you when they became adults.


Thanks for reading.
Airforce!

If you see how I rush to come read weytin your gather do you enh.

KingEbukasBlog:
I know ma . The atheists are too shallow-minded - odious sense of reasoning - to understand the usefulness of prayer . So I had to relate with a sane mind of a good Christian . God bless you , you have nice testimonies too .

Thank you and may Yahweh honour you sir.

Enkaynwa:
If someone bites you, rub chicken feaces on the place and all the person‘s teeth will fall off.

O my God, you believed that too?

danio24ng:
Will u shut up, u slave of confusion, have u asked urself, if a couple in the church visits Pst Chris and Anita, telling them that they r passing marital mess, what their counsel will be? Will the option of divorce b there?

Please because u have free mb doesnt mean u should write trash.

Okay, thanks.

KingEbukasBlog:
There are billions of reasons to pray

1. Praying means showing faith . Without faith you can't please God .

2. Praying develops your relationship with God

3. Praying helps you know God's will

4. Prayer prepares you for spiritual battles .

5. Prayer is an act of obedience to God

Etc

If you realize , praying is for our own good . God being all knowing does not reduce the efficacy of prayer . God commands us to pray , he knows why we should pray . So giving petty objections like these ones are doing just does not make any sense to me .

Am not agaisnt prayer sir.

trueking:
I want this world to end today, am tired.

Hahahahahahahaha. What happened dear? Why shd the world end? Many are yet to be saved?
But seriously, there are days I feel I can't go on..., If you ask me, Jesus has tarried for too long.
So, let's all join our voices and say, COME O LORD JESUS, COME.

ValentineMary:
That guy (Kingebukasblog) always spills nonsense. After I made a nonsense of his other thread, he started calling all atheist ignorant.

You can make nonsense out of KingEbuka? Ahh. This guy, you must think so highly of yourself.

johnydon22:
Even though prayers don't work let's assume it does. "Tell me why you'd need to plead, beg, cry, shout, grovel to a benevolent (Allegedly all good) God before he can decide to help you?"

Tell me why you'd need to remind an All knowing God to help you?

And tell me why you'd need to pray for the things you want if God already has a plan unless you think yours is better.

Theism is just collective insanity of billions so makes everyone think it's fine

Why do you even care?

danio24ng:
What happened to better for worse? Practice what u preach.

Mind your business. Theirs is in the open you jump to talk about it, shd we take a look at yours?

Blackfire:
so blackfire ve turn to object of caricature?

I can never make a caricature of you.

Blackfire:
so blackfire ve turn to object of caricature?

From when did you become Joe? Joseph is my e-friend, who read my post to you about me sending you my number. He wanted me to send him my number too. You can read my replies to him.