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budaatum:
It doesn't matter. Even obamacare did not abolish "private health insurance plans"!

Please don't even make me go into obamacare .
One of Obama's most popular lies that has received four Pinocchio's on all fact checking sites is, " if you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it" it was a lie as I am sure you probably know already. Don't go there budaatum, this is a lie that is well documented

GalaticHorde:
show me this data if you don't mind, data you post for the benefit your republican shrills with no liberal to debate you? I am here now, shoot! And like I said the top 1% including trump with a $20million tax cut benefits from a tax cut which the middle class pays for with consumate increase in budget deficit and you're like yeah we got an economic policy? Way to go Einstein

Mr. Man while I'm not here to spoonfeed you but I will do that anyway when I have the time for that. That you don't know that unemployment is at a fifty year low, that median family income has been increasing steadily under Trump or that families are actually spending more in the midst of your much ballyhooed recession fears just shows that you have no clue what you are talking about. You can start with these links for now while I go get the rest for you

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/08/15/economy-looks-far-better-than-the-bond-markets-recession-warning.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/15/us-retail-sales---july-2019.html

GalaticHorde:
And this is basically the main body of the poll and actually how it concluded

So what is your argument, that the poll does not say that 90% of Americans prefer their private healthcare to Medicare for all or what?

kopfschmerzen:
Please STFU if the proposal was not made, how do the post got to know about such proposal?

During the presser it was not denied but he said he's looking into it and later said he's not considering it. Which of that is too hard for you to comprehend.

Good luck in defending the bullshhit you do daily here. Your lord and personal savior is ordering all US conpany he China to get back home, your lord think he's an king or something.

His latest idiocy just took the DOW south of over 500 points. Lols you can keep spewing jargon from your hellhole since none of this impact your life.

For God's sake, can't you use you brain for the purpose it's meant for? Someone said it's something they were thinking about and you came here to say he made a proposal about it. How are those two the same thing? Damn it man!! I said exactly the same thing ing the response I gave you earlier but it is clear you don't even read posts before rushing to respond to them with whatever liberal gibberish you can come up with. This is what I told you earlier, that's hoping you will be smart enough to read it this time;

Anduku:
This is the problem I have debating with you liberals, you find it nearly impossible to make factual comments and lie endlessly without shame. Since you can't provide any evidence that Trump made such a proposal, I will help you explain what you are finding difficult to understand. A government can discuss so many options behind the scenes, that doesn't equate to making a proposal. It's just like having a problem and thinking of different possible solutions to it, in the presser you are referring to, Trump said, "Payroll tax is something that we think about, and a lot of people would like to see that, and that very much affects the workers of our country,". How does him saying it's something they think about equate to him making a proposal for that? He was even very clear in that presser that he was quote, "not talking about doing anything at this moment" and here you are saying he backtracked, how does someone backtrack from a proposal that wasn't even made? Like I said, lay off the CNN opium and start thinking for yourself

GalaticHorde:
the epistle might be full of bullshyte, your POV anyways, but it isn't my bullshyte now is it? That bullshyte is totally yours seeing as it is an excerpt from the link you so graciously provided, you see, liberals read more than just headlines

If read more than the headlines, you wouldn't be spewing the bullshit you were spewing up there. I felt the need to go screen grab that cos you were trying to pull a wool over the eyes of others on the forum so I had to lay it bare for them to see for themselves and not through your lens of distortion. 90% of Americans prefer their private healthcare plans to your Medicare for all. Kiss the truth!!!

GalaticHorde:
alright, you win! An economic policy devastating the middle class is still an economic policy right? For a e republican, a win is a win no matter the cost right? Way to go Einstein

The economic policy is not devastating the middle class. More People are getting jobs and earning higher and spending more too. The data is there for all to see. I've posted it here on numerous occasions. I only pointed out your goalpost shifting because that's one game I am not interested in playing today. You guys have mastered the art of shifting the goalposts once your are proven wrong. Someone says Trump has no economic policies, I say he is wrong, I am asked to name one of his policies, I do then al of a sudden you guys want to make it about how well the supposedly nonexistent policy is working? You guys learnt well from the lunatic liberal politicians you support, just like they said trump colluded with Russia and when 2 years of Muller couldn't prove that they quickly want to make it about obstruction. Will there have been any question of obstruction if they didn't lie about Trump colluding with Russia?

budaatum:
This "overwhelming majority" duk?



Does kamalacare abolish "private health insurance plans"?

Which of them? She's flip flopped so much on the issue that I don't know which of her plans you are talking about

GalaticHorde:
This overwhelming majority right?

Even Republican voters seemed to disagree with certain conservative ideology on health care. The Hill-HarrisX survey found that 26 percent of GOP voters said they wanted the government to stop paying for health care, while a total of 53 percent favored some form of universal government-provided insurance. Twenty-one percent said they want to keep the current health care system in place.

The issue of expanded government health care has also played out at the state level, where some GOP-controlled legislatures have seen their positions against Medicaid expansion under the 2010 Affordable Care Act overturned by voters in ballot measures. Republican officials in Idaho and Utah are currently seeking to curtail voter-approved Medicaid expansions amid legal threats against their efforts.

The Hill-HarrisX survey was conducted among a statistically representative sample of 1,001 registered voters from Feb. 1-2. It has a sampling margin of error of 3.1 percentage points.

Stop writing meaningless epistles full of bullshit!!! When I say the polls found 90% of Americans don't want you messing with their private healthcare plans and will choose their private healthcare plans over medicare for all any day, I mean 90%!!! And unless you think 90% is not an overwhelming majority, I don't know what you are yapping about.

GalaticHorde:
and how is that bill beneficial to middle income America? that it benefits the top 1% and skyrockets the budget deficit is what you're honestly touting as a beneficial economic policy? and I thought you were smart! where is the trickle down effect? GM is shutting down factories, coal coys are shutting down, truckers are loosing freight contracts and farmers are living on government handouts (yup, socialism baby!) but you're like "he signed a sweeping tax bill!" What part of your understanding did the bill sweep away? because I can promise you, it swept part of middle Americas average income earnings away

Oh, from he doesn't have a policy to how will it benefit middle income middle income Americans? Shifting the goalposts are we?

kopfschmerzen:
Lols!!! Keep drinking your own koolaid. The proposal he said they are considering on live TV and make an about turn the next day same for gun control.

Y'all are so far gone in the anus of this orange buffon even if he slap your mother on Live TV, y'all will still spin it.

Lols keep living in your third world delusion.

Oh you have quickly pivoted to "they were considering" ? What a clown!! You expressly claimed he made those proposals but backtracked from it the next week, but now that you have been caught in your usual liberal lies, you admit he never made the proposal but was just "considering it" in what world does thinking about something equal to doing it? Liar!!! That's what you are. He never made such proposal and he couldn't have backtracked from it when he didn't make it in the first place

budaatum:
Excuse me! What "overwhelming majority"? Are the people who need healthcare but cannot afford it the minority or what?

This overwhelming majority

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/428958-poll-voters-want-the-government-to-provide-healthcare-for%3famp

GalaticHorde:
who are the "overwhelming majority of Americans" you are referring to here? I hope you read the polls?
https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/412552-majority-of-republicans-say-the-support-medicare-for-all-poll?amp
Stop projecting reverse opinions on subject matters
Even republican supporters praise their limited government backed ACA coverage watered down by the republican congress but refuse to believe it is the same obamacare, just think on the con these people's psyche has undergone and yes true liberals like Bernie and warren with an agreeable congress will introduce a single payer system that will cover everything because they are not beholden to medical insurance coys and their lobbyists and also because like Bernie said, "I wrote the f******ng bill myself ". Medical insurance is a multibillion dollar for profit industry that has no place or right existing as a middleman between the patient and the care provider in a sane country, but sanity, isn't the republican party or their supporter's forte now is it? Bernie partnered with an NGO named insulin for all or just something like that recently to transport some Americans to Canada to buy insulin at a price that bewildered them, they didn't know Bernie partnered this trip, so when Bernie stepped up to address them that this was done to make a point, were same drugs manufactured by same companies have a differential in pricing running into hundreds to over a thousand dollars per dose in two countries with a common border and said it was done to highlight the influence political lobbying of health insurance companies and pharmaceutical industries have on Washington's policies as compared to a country with a single payer where the single payer does the negotiating of prices for everyone, it dawns on everyone who is not brainless that politics and lobbying is the cause of the difference and even trump supporters among them had to man up and own up the con that is the republican narrative they have been spoon fed which you are also parroting.
Asides that, tell me, what form of medical insurance is the military and congress covered by? Is it private? is it effective or not?

You had to go back to a the hill post in 2018 to make your point that was very sly of you but not honest at all. People are interested in medicare coverage for all but they were asked if they wanted medicare for all if it meant losing their private healthcare plans and an overwhelming 90% said they won't it!!! So nice try at being a smart alec but I will do one better by providing you a 2019 post by the same the hill showing you that 90% of Americans don't want you messing with their private healthcare plans and will choose their private plans over medicare for all any day

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/428958-poll-voters-want-the-government-to-provide-healthcare-for%3famp

And oh, I have one advice for you too, Stop projecting reverse opinions on subject matters!!!

kopfschmerzen:
Stop spewing crap he said it himself in a presser.

This is the problem I have debating with you liberals, you find it nearly impossible to make factual comments and lie endlessly without shame. Since you can't provide any evidence that Trump made such a proposal, I will help you explain what you are finding difficult to understand. A government can discuss so many options behind the scenes, that doesn't equate to making a proposal. It's just like having a problem and thinking of different possible solutions to it, in the presser you are referring to, Trump said, "Payroll tax is something that we think about, and a lot of people would like to see that, and that very much affects the workers of our country,". How does him saying it's something they think about equate to him making a proposal for that? He was even very clear in that presser that he was quote, "not talking about doing anything at this moment" and here you are saying he backtracked, how does someone backtrack from a proposal that wasn't even made? Like I said, lay off the CNN opium and start thinking for yourself

GalaticHorde:
and pray tell me what Trump's actual economic policies are? Tell me according to your understanding, I am interested in details

Hmmm, who was it again that signed a sweeping tax bill into law in 2017?

kopfschmerzen:
Lols stop spewing crap, when the press leaked an insider effort by his admin to propose a pay check cut. He said it categorical when asked that they are considering it and later backtracked.

I pray he get any of Warren or Sanders for debate they gonna biatchslap him so hard, his cheap nursery insult will not work when those ones start schooling him like a toddler.

I said I don't want your insider or anonymous media sources. Provide evidence that Trump himself ever made such a proposal or get lost!!

GalaticHorde:
dude, is paying hush money during election campaigning and not declaring it to the feds a violation of election financing laws or not? Yes, he is not being prosecuted, .......yet! There's also obstruction of justice which Mueller acknowledges his DOJ brief prevents him from following up, so there is crime and there is circumstance, post presidency i guess we will find out, mulvaney or no mulvaney, I am liberal to the core and I don't remember me praying for a recession, stop feeding your concocted talking point for the sake of owning libs in a debate, makes you come of as delusional and again on mulvaney, he said what he said, mad at it? Take him up on it, I only reported it

Firstly, I am not mad with Mulvaney OK, I love the guy and if anyone is coming off as delusional here, it's definitely you!! As for your allegations of trump breaking the laws, they are just what they are, allegations!! And that's what they will remain until you are able to bring incontrovertible evidence to prove it before a court of competent jurisdiction

kopfschmerzen:
Policies?? Please let him debate any of his policies the way Obama was gracing one townhall to the other about ACA.

Same Trump that support background check for guns last week and backtrack the next day?

The same one that called for pay check tax cut earlier this week and back out the next day.

Trump understand any of those politics like i understand spacecraft.

The immigration policies are solely controlled by Steven Miller, God this dude don't even know how this shitty government is running on autopilot.

Your democrat candidate will have his or her chance to debate Trump on their policies before the elections. Maybe we should just wait till then for them to lay out their cases. But you really need to get off the CNN opium. That Trump discussed plans with people doesn't mean he proposed them. Trump has never proposed any pay check tax cut and he only said he was open to proposals for stricter gun control laws, he never proposed any of that. I challenge you to show me where he ever made such proposals himself not what the media and their anonymous sources are saying. Discussing proposals is not the same thing as making same.

GalaticHorde:
as I said stop singing Trump's and fox News's soundbites like a faithful pet parrot.
Start with taking away people's private healthcare plans, what is so good about those private plans? Canada has a single payer plan, where does the US rank amongst other developed nations on the indices of healthcare delivery and or accessibility? Or let me give you the podium, on what indices would you rank a good healthcare system suitable for a so called developed country? Let's start with that

What's good about people's private healthcare plans? Hmmm, I wouldn't know, I just wouldn't know why an overwhelming majority of Americans don't want their private plans taken away them. They must all be dumb Trumpamzees who don't know what's good enough for them but you and you lunatic liberal politicians are all knowing and smarter than them all, well done!!

I'd really love to see the dems make taking away people's private healthcare plans the centre of their campaign and see how that goes.

kopfschmerzen:
Do Trump even have any policies. Dude can't even debate on a nursery rhythm pass one minutes before diverting to his usually repeated drivel of jargon.

That you support that unintelligent waste pipe says much about your level of intelligence and self awareness tbvh.

Trump has no policies yet you are all railing about his immigration policies? He has no policies yet you are all railing about his economic policies? He has no policies yet you are all railing against his medical policies? What can I say about people that keep railing about things that don't exist?

GalaticHorde:
oh I see! Liberals are routing for recession because a ®etarded republic apologist says so right? all so it would fit into the foolish narrative you singlehandedly construed to give you a talking point that won't affect the credit balance of anybody right?

In paying of stormy Daniels amongst others, trump is guilty of campaign finance violation! That is one crime, that the justice department is compromised and the democrats are too gutless to hold him to account for that doesn't change that, I will stop with that for now, Trump's sins/crimes are well documented for me to even bother researching but when you insist I will bring up one at a time and as for your request that I shut the help up, this isn't my first rodeo on this thread so i understand your games, shutdown every liberal debater and drown the thread with lunatic, illogical conservative drivel with the help of the clearly partisan mods, so good luck shutting me up or maybe you can do us that honor seeing as your republican hypocrisy doesn't fly with me, lying outright, doctoring video, etcetera why accusing the other side of your sins, you should do yourself a favor and crawl into the swamp where all things deplorable belong!
And yes I read mnuching and Navarro's take on the economy but if you could read inbetween the lines you would understand that I categorised that(not in words though) as the official take for the public and trumpanzees like you and my opinion is/was the truth is closer to what mulvaney admits to republican donors in private, while mulvaney may not be a nominal expert, neither are those you quoted in true honesty seeing as Trump's cabinet are political hacks, lobbyists, republican think tank stooges and square pegs in round holes, that is my opinion, you of course are entitled to yours

Is it not funny that After your lengthy epistle, you couldn't name any crimes Trump was convicted of? Of all people, you had to name stormy Daniels, the same stormy Daniels that Trump had been beating like a rented mule at the courts? She was even ordered to pay damages to Trump for bringing frivolous cases against him in court. And liberals have been crying about a recession long before Mulvaney made any comments concerning that so stop using Mulvaney as an excuse for the lunacy of unhinged liberals crying recession where there is none

kopfschmerzen:
Your drivel would have made sense if you ever paid for health insurance or tax in this country. Funny you are a citizen of a third world country where live is short and brutish.

Plus i have paid taxes in Germany and America. Germany gat more value than any shiiit uncle sam ever offer.

Comrade kophschmerzen, so this your latest reincarnation? . I expected you to start comparing your lunatic candidate's policies against Trump's but you decided to engage in the same ad hominem attacks you just accused me of earlier. The irony of liberal hypocrisy

GalaticHorde:
Insulting and deficiency in decorum comes easily to a trumpanzee, no surprises in that, for all your ad hominem attacks on the aforementioned democratic candidates, I don't see you comparing their individual policies to Trump's, would you care to compare Warren's or Bernie's policies to Trump's? Let's see if you can have non orange buffoon's sound bites to sing like a pet parrot

What policies do they have? Taking away people's private healthcare plans? Giving Medicare to illegal immigrants on taxpayers money? Open borders? Taxing 70% of people's incomes, gun grabbing against the express provisions of the 2nd amendments? Mehn, if those clowns campaign on their policies alone, they will be thoroughly trashed by Trump and they know it, that's why why they have decided to put their hopes on screaming racism!! Russia!! And clamouring for a nonexistent recession.

Amujale:
Not at all.

The terms "Palestinian Arab" ala "Palestinian Jew" ; Palestinian Persian are those of the 21st century.

Back in the days, there were no "Jews" in Palestine; the stock that resided in the region of the world are no different to the Arabian/Persian stock, no different to the present day Jordanians.

Judaism was manufactured after Christianity and not before.

The Jew creed is a recent phenom. History does not have any genuine records of people known as Jews that lived in West Asia any time later than the 13th century.

Judaism was manufactured by the Crusaders around the 14 - 15th century.

The Israelite storyline is fake.

The only people history really records are real people known as Israelis.

All adherents of the Judaism religion is supposedly known as a "Jew"?

Yet, one thing is certain, all European adherents of the Judaism religion are known as a "Jew".

Atleast 25% of Israelis are neither an "Arab" nor a Jew.

(a) The claim that the authors of Abrahamic religious text made about Israelites being Jews is a false assertion. Fake news.

The only place in all of human history that one would come accross the term "Israelite(s), is inside the pages of an Abrahamic religious text or Abrahamic religious text related book.

(b) All European adherents of the Judaism religion are known as "Jews". Fact.

I can't argue with you based on an alternate history you created or you read somewhere and chose to believe. There are many today who deny that the holocaust ever happened and that it was just an invention, how do you argue with such people? That's why we have stick to universally accepted history. And the truth in recorded history is that the Jews were on that land long before any Arab set foot there. I asked you which historical books back up this your claims, I am yet to get an answer for that. A simple Google search of Palestine or Israel will give you a plethora of sources that confirm the existence of Jews in that land long before any Arab was there. And there are historical confirmations of the existence of Jews on that land long before the crusades happened. The story of the Jewish- Roman wars for instance were not told in the Bible or any other religious books that I know of. We owe the knowledge of that to other contemporary historians. And it confirms the existence of Jews in Palestine long before the crusades happened. You can't just bring another version of history and expect me to believe you just because you said so. Give me your sources, where you got this your own version of history from.

Liberals are whining about the world being upside down because they are getting their asses handed them in elections all over the world, from India to Israel to the UK to Australia. They should save some tears for October when their Darling Justin Tradeau will be booted out in Canada and 2020 when their misery will be completed with Trump's reelection as President of the United States.

kopfschmerzen:
BALDERDASH!!!

Is that all you could come up with

kopfschmerzen:
Throw Jair Bolsonaro, Rodrigo Duterte, Sebastine Kurz, Matteo Salvini and Modi in the mix. The world is in the upside down.

All these people plus Boris and Netanyahu keep winning elections in their countries because their people love them and believe in what they stand for. Modi and Netanyahu just won reelections with overwhelming landslides in their respective countries because their people are not as foolish as the liberals in the US. Another trashing awaits the lunatic liberals next year in the US, what with kamalsutra Harris flip flopping on every issue so much that no one knows what she stands for anymore, little wonder she is tanking in the polls. Sleepy Joe is busy gaffing his chances away and already showing signs of dementia, the clown claimed the parkland students came to visit him when he was vice president when the parkland incident didn't happen until after he had left office . Lizzy warren the 1/1024 Indian is busy making a fool of herself 'sprinting' in and out of campaign venues and producing one of the worst cringe worthy campaign moments of all time with her dance steps on a campaign stage in minnesota. I don't even want to start talking about crazy Bernie and his lunatic ideas. Look, Trump is going to wipe the floor with that parade of crazies y'all got running for president on your side

GalaticHorde:
deflect all you want, but it is as you say, trump is guilty of many a thing(and not just in the court of public opinion) but that is by the way, no one, not even I myself is praying for a recession just to stick one up to trump like a ®etarded republican sympathiser posted earlier, but facts are facts, and fact is mulvanney, a trump admin insider admits in private to republican donors that a recession is possible in 2020, am I supposed to pretend he didn't say that because I dislike trump? What really do you want from me?

First, Trump is not guilty of anything except in the minds of deluded liberals, you either give us the list of crimes he has been convicted of or shut the hell up!!! Secondly, If anyone is retarded it's the lunatic liberals who have indeed been rooting for a recession in their own country Since Trump became president because they believe that's the only way to beat him. The real economy experts in the Trump administration like Peter Navarro and Steve Mnuchin have said on numerous occasions that there is no recession happening anytime soon but you conveniently pretended not to hear what they are saying but now you can't pretend not to hear Mr. Mulvaney. Perhaps you can tell us when Mulvaney became such an expert on the economy or what information he has that Trump and his economic team don't have that makes you believe him and pretend not to hear what the President and his economic team are saying.

budaatum:
Trump is God!

Yeah, just the same way liberals called Obama God and the second coming also. Hell, they even put halos on Obama's head, and replaced pictures of Jesus with his. What could be more deifying than that? Tell me you also condemned it back then or you're nothing but a hypocrite

kopfschmerzen:
You are a joke.

You're a clown

Amujale:
They have just taken it forcefully and unjustly.

You ought to go and study the real history of West Asia.

Let me give you a head start, you will not find the real history of the middle East in the Bible or the Quran.

Infact neither of those books contain any real history whatsoever.

According to history, the Palestinians have always reside in the area of land where both Israel and the modern Palestinians are currently based.

What is happening to the Palestinians is a travesty of justice.

I have no pity for them though, as they are partly to blame for the desecration of Ancient Egypt, yet the truth is that they are being imprisoned on their own land and noone really cares.

I dont see their situation improving anytime soon. They will probably become a victim of the same circumstances that befell the Ancient Egyptians, only this time the whole world is aware and yet turning a blind eye to their predicament.

The only workable solution for the Palestinians is to mingle with their brothers and sisters in Jordan. And forget about a place called Palestine.

There will never be peace in the middle East. There never was peace in that region anyways.

Palestinians are more or less Jordanians.

Israel are the dominant force in that region and i dont see that changing anytime soon.

The Palestine cause is a lost one.

Eventually they will get wiped out off the world map bit by bit the same way they did to KM.T.

What goes around comes around.

In which history books have the Palestinians always lived on the land that is the present state of Israel? The Palestinian Jews lived on that land long before the Arabs or Palestinians arabs set foot there and you don't need to get that from the bible, all renowned world historians on middle east history accept that as historical facts. It's you who need to go and study history because you have no idea what you are talking about. Even an ordinary check on Wikipedia about Palestine or Israel confirms the authenticity of the Jews' historical claim to that land. The claims that Palestinian Arabs occupied the land before the Jews is based on the theory of canaanism which claims that the Palestinians are direct descendants of the Canaanites the Jews met in the land when they first migrated there. This theory has been completely debunked as falsehood even by the prominent Palestinian historians themselves. Palestinian Jews who formed the modern state of Israel have a more widely accepted historical claim to that land than Palestinian Arabs do.

Crocodile tears for the camera

budaatum:
For some, he who steals land for them is god

Israel has not stolen anyone's land