₦airaland Forum

venturecap:
My guy Racism is alive, and institutionalized in the U.S. If I tell you my story you go weak. Even though I have an Ivy League education o.

I never said racism does not exist in my posts. Did I

Amya:
Thank you very much for this. While I was reading some books on slavery, I read that the abolition of slave trade in America didn't actually go well with some of the blacks themselves because they're used to being owned. Going out their to fend for themselves was even a bigger risk to them, so they whined and cried when they were freed. The feeling of dependency is actually the root cause of what is happening to the AA's. Generations later and they haven't actually been freed of the shackles of mental slavery.

Some Arab/Muslim women are in similar mental state

cap28:
So valuing your history is "blabbing about your lost glory" smdh! Ever heard the quote: a man who does not know his history is doomed to repeat it?

What you are doing is not valuing history but rather hanging to it as an excuse/justification/alibi for present day lethargy.
The quote is "A man who does not LEARN from his history.
You see learning goes beyond valuing. It is about knowing how far people moved/progressed in the past to encourage movement into the future. Big difference.
For example, if one understands that our African ancestors moved from using stones to iron for cutting things, then one can be inspired to improve on what one has today, not so

The only way we have a chance to develop is if we forge closer ties to China anything short of that will mean that we must remain on the IMF world bank plantation which has already condemned 80% of our population to a life of endless misery and suffering.

But the Chinese aligned with the West to develop to where they are today, not so
Do we know the sacrifices they made to come so far?
Are we ready to make similar sacrifice to forge ahead?

cap28:
Firstly, the casualties of both wars were far more than 10 million, Russia alone lost over 22 million of its own people in the second world war.

Thanks for pointing out my error in the casualty number for both wars. I have updated my post as needed.
Cheers.

omonnakoda:
Blindness strike your mother. You are crazy and cancer will never leave your house. Go and teach your mother manners oloribruku

And when they call us primitive, lawless jungle dwellers you will say na lie

cap28:
Who is the parent in this scenario? I hope its not the white man who has orchestrated all of our current problems.

No.
The parent is a black person also who is concerned about the FAILURE of his group/child that keeps blabbing about some old, lost glory that he did not research himself and does not even have the technology to even keep/maintain the monuments and artifacts
Quite useless, not so

Just having the desire to progress is not enough, you have to have the military might to protect yourself from your enemies, its not enough for us as a nation so say ok lets industrialise or lets diversify our economy, we have to be able to prevent our country from being overrun by our enemies and right now we are not in a position to protect ourselves. So even if we decided to kick out the multinationals from Nigeria and overhaul our entire socio economic structure we would be earmarked for destruction by the US and Europe as their economic success is dependant on our economic failure.

You make me laugh seriously with your perpetual victim mentality that leads nowhere

But just to indulge you, how do you think we can develop as Africans/black people given the scenario you painted with the limitations enumerated and the "conspiracy" of the US and Europe to prevent our economic success- something they did not/ could not do for the Chinese, Indians, Koreans, Japanese etc

cap28:
No you will remain a scumbag because you are so full of self loathing. How can you say that we have never invented anything in this world when it has been proven time and time again that the Greeks copied everything they learnt from Egyptians who were pure black African people? How were we existing before the white man invaded our continent and truncated our development, have you ever asked yourself this question? Why are our artefacts sitting in the British museum on display?

How do you think a parent will feel if his child in secondary school is carrying LAST in the class and each time he reminds his parent how he used to pass very well in primary one

Is that not parallel to what you are saying?


I am not self loathing otherwise I will not be keen about realistically discussing how to improve our lot with the necessary individual and group sacrifice to be out of our seemingly permanent scumbag status, not so

AAinEqGuinea:
What makes laugh is that aside from have a detailed cultured element, African Americans are the same as many Nigerians or other Africans. Who knows...maybe in some way their ancestors found a way to connect with them because they don't care about other AA as a whole. 100+ years is only a small drop in history so I jokingly say to myself that my fellow AA's behavior may be the Igbo in them. Guys like Mayweather can barely read but he'll make more money than we'll ever see, so why would he donate money to a school when he's doing well at being a athlete, not a scholar? Same thing for our drug dealers, they'll drive past their neighborhood's broke school with flashy cars full of money and won't donate a dime. Theyre fully set on making money and that's it... They don't care to see how racism is playing them, all they see is the money just like the women these days.

Thanks.

So why blame the white system for (mainly) our own woes?

How can we make these successful drug dealers, athletes, artistes understand the need to make their own community better by sowing into it as the whites do

omonnakoda:
Depends on what you mean by "succesful" It is important to hae more than a superficial understanding of the issues which are not restricted to America. They are truly profound and have permeated us deeply in Africa from colonial times. The core issue is we have allowed ourselves to be persuaded that we are inferior. This is a collective thing.Individuals may protest otherwise but as a group it is all pervasive. We worship foreign gods and go to foreign lands on pilgrimage. We bleach our skins and perm our hair we even import Brazilian hair. We clamour for foreign coaches etc . Even here on Nairaland when we get into arguments with Ghanaians it is considered a point scoring abuse to ridicule their "blackness". So really we do not think properly and that is why I question what you mean by successful. Those engaging in flaunting "bling" are managing their self-loathing as best theyy can. Man has so many psychological devices in his toolbox to manage inadequacy. For me a succesful person is one who is awake and I can count on one hand the number I have met in my life. Even worse is not knowing that one is asleep.

Jesus Christ or Mohammed will NEVER solve our problems and as long as they are with us we shall continue to have problems

Are we not truly inferior by our mental LAZINESS

Look around you now and check how many of the things you use that are discovered/invented/made/improved/maintained by black people and/or technology from black people?

Ordinary malaria that almost exclusively occurs on our continent, can we precisely diagnose it with our own home grown and constantly improved technology

Do we have the discipline and can we make the sacrifice for the improvement of the reputation of our black race among other races? This is the question we need to address instead of blaming the past, history other people but our own mental laziness.

We will remain scumbags of the earth if we continue on this path to nowhere.

statrboiTolu:
Nice1 op!!! Errrm, wt abt their babes??

I sorry for you really but make I helep you small with pointers from his post before you over-salivate for nothing

cityAdventures:
1. Racism is real, but exaggerated

Yes, it is still there, but now, it is more passive than ‘in your face.’ It is now more about condescension, than open hostility. Strange right? Especially when you turn on the TV to watch a white guy just walk into a South Carolina Church just to gun down black people.

Terrible, yes and this and many more crimes like it are actually hate crimes churned from the depraved mind of a single individual, not the actions of a collective- definitely not rascism.

Gone are the days when Rosa Parks was told to get up from her Montgomery bus seat because she was black, or the days when shingles said ‘Blacks and Dogs not allowed here.’ Now people can only turn down their noses as you walk past, refuse to be friendly with you, not hire you, hiding their racial bias behind technical reasons, refuse to patronize your business or engage in passive forms of snobbery.

But that’s just about it. If you behave yourself, stay within the law, do the normal things everybody does, nobody will even notice you are black, or brown or colored. You just get on with your life- don’t listen to all these people suffering from a siege mentality burdened with a victim mindset.

2. Nothing is free in America

Where is, really? Even in Freetown, there is no free lunch. But in America, moneyism is taken up a notch. Even breakfast at hotels, a perk that is a given in most hotels of Africa and other parts of the world is paid for. So, you walk in to the restuarant to have breakfast in a downtown hotel where you are lodging? $21- its not complimentary.

You need a luggage porter to carry your bags up to your 14th floor room? $10. Need to watch movies on your hotel room TV? You pay. Happy Hour? You pay. Need to drink that bottle of water in your hotel room refrigerator? $7. Need to get a trolley at the airport to move luggage from baggage claim to pick up zone? $4. Need breakfast on a local flight across America? $12. Want to have a beer on the same flight? $7

To check in a bag on a local flight? $25 (and they tell you, you are allowed two pieces of luggage), on an international flight? $100. Infact, who knows? Soon, checking your balance on an ATM machine in America, may be $3 (that is actually how much it costs to use a card on a machine that is not owned by your bank- compare Nigeria’s N60 switching costs per 3transactions or 25cents).

Go through a toll, built within the city centre severally? Each time, $8. Parking? $20 per hour. Infact, if you run a $50 tab by taking a taxi, you are expected to add the cabbie an extra $12.50 for being lucky enough to ride in his cab. They say it is tipping but it goes as outrageously high as 25%. A quarter of your check for gratification?

Common, even God asks for only 10% as tithe.

Source: http://www.intercityadventures.com/20-things-i-discovered-while-travelling-across-america/

omonnakoda:
Black people went to segregated schools only a generation ago which of course were badly funded. During the slave period black men were not allowed to be fathers to their children who belonged to the owners and were often removed so for several generations black people had no famlly life and no models of that and when slavery ended they had the worst of it. So it is no surprise that black in America tend to marry less often than other folks and having children with often no father figure.

Do you think successful African Americans are doing ENOUGH to redress these obvious historical inadequacies by making individual sacrifice for communal growth and improved racial group reputation and respect as the whites & Asians do in terms of outstanding charity and systematic contribution/volunteering for their communities instead of plenty bling bling acquisitions

Nobody (or group) helps another for free. There is always a price to be paid, including simple individual (or group) respect.

If you keep bailing out a relation or friend, how much respect will you really have for such a person?

Ask yourself, reflect on that and extrapolate to the bigger society/world.

cap28:
Can you answer this simple question? Was the US founded with or without violence ?

Was the Oyo Empire founded and sustained with or without violence?

Was the Sokoto/Fulani Caliphate founded and sustained with or without violence?

Was the Benin Empire (that included present day Lagos Island) founded and sustained with or without violence?

Between 1914 and 1945 (31 years) Europe had two World Wars with some 100 million people killed including genocide of Jews to REDRAW the borders of their countries among other reasons/consequences.

So violence and nation founding/building are intertwined.

And finally, why were the descendants of Japanese Americans that were held in internment camps during the second world war paid reparations but the descendants of African slaves who built the US not given a penny in reparations by the US govt.

Were the Japanese SOLD as slaves by their own kiths and kins who received what they considered FAIR price for the sale?
Were the descendants of Joseph (Yussuf to Muslims) paid reparations by Egyptians after he was SOLD by his own brothers as a slave instead of being killed as told in the Bible (and the Koran) ?

Have the Arabs paid reparations for black slaves that are STILL held as slaves in their countries

Did our local slave owners pay reparations to the descendants of those they held as slaves some of whom are STILL treated as outcasts in some ethnic groups?



Let us calmly address our shortcomings strategically rather than whining.

Have you heard that a child who does not know how to handle a sword does not YET ask how/who killed his father? The Chinese definitely understand and have practised this simple philosophy over the last 50 years or so.

cap28:
You are totally clueless - tribalism and racism are not the same thing.

I've never heard of anyone in Nigeria being denied access to education, housing and jobs simply because they are from a different ethnic group from the ethnic group that is in power.

You must be out of touch with realities in our country, bro.





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Day Lam Adesina clashed with Buhari, Marwa, others
November 18, 2012

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It was on 13 October 2000, when words went round that General Muhammadu Buhari was leading the Arewa team to the governor’s office to confront the state over alleged killings of Fulani cattle rearers in Saki, Oke Ogun Area of the state. Buhari did actually telephone the governor that he was leading a team to his office.

In less than 30 minutes after the general informed the governor of his visit, we noticed that the entire secretariat was already filled with lorry loads of our brothers from the North. This created some tension but we kept our calm. At about 2 p.m., Buhari arrived in a long convoy at the governor’s office in company of the former governor of Lagos State, General Buba Marwa, Alhaji Aliko Muhammed, Alhaji Abdulrazak and Alhaji Hassan. They all wore long faces. In fact, the anger in them was palpable as all pleasantries extended to them were ignored. “This is trouble” was the expression on the faces of all of us in the governor’s office.

Shortly afterwards, the state Director of State Security Service (SSS) and Commissioner of Police arrived. But their presence did not change anything particular on the fears that had already gripped majority of us. The two security chiefs did not come with any operatives, they came almost alone.

The meeting was called to order after Lam walked into the Executive Chambers. Introductions over, Buhari spoke on their mission to the governor’s office. Emitting fire, the general accused Lam and the government of Oyo State of complicity in the killing of over 68 Fulani people in Oke Ogun area and perversion of justice.

His words: “Your Excellency, our visit here is to discuss with you and your government our displeasure about the incident of clashes between two peoples… the Fulani cattle rearers and merchants are today being harassed , attacked and killed like in Saki. In the month of May, 2000, 68 bodies of Fulani cattle rearers were recovered and buried under the supervision and protection from a team of Mobile Police from Oyo State Command.

“ That some arrests were made by Oyo State Police Command in the massacre with their immediate release without court trial. This was said to have been ordered by Oyo State authorities and they were so released to their amazement. The release of the arrested suspects gave the clear impression that the authorities are backing and protecting them to continue the unjust and illegal killings of Fulani cattle rearers…”
According to the general, they therefore wanted immediate stoppage of the killings, justice and compensation to the Fulanis.

As weighty and indicting as Buhari’s allegations were, Lam remained unperturbed. He fired back with his own well coordinated arsenals.
Lam identified all the points raised by Buhari and simply asked the heads of the organizations directly involved to respond to the allegations.
First to speak was the Commissioner of Police who debunked all the claims. Instead of the allegation that the natives were killing Fulanis, the commissioner said pointedly that the opposite was the case.

“ The killing of the natives by the Fulanis was duly reported to the police and, of course, we can’t make arrest because, as soon as they kill, they migrate to other areas. Who are you going to arrest? That is the problem”. On the killing of Fulanis, which he said was as result of “piled up anger”, the commissioner disclosed that arrests had been made and the suspects were in police custody.

Next was the Director of SSS, who equally debuked the allegations by Buhari. “The natives don’t have problem with the Fulanis who are resident but those who are coming in, they don’t care about anybody. They just go ahead and when they graze the natives farms, whoever cares to challenge them runs into trouble. You said 68 people were killed , and people driven away. I am not saying there were no killings but they cannot be more than five. The petition is on the harsh side, there is nothing like that.”

Not done yet, Lam called in his Deputy, Barrister Iyiola Oladokun; his SSG, Chief Michael Koleoso, both from Oke Ogun, and the chairman of one of the affected local government areas, Mr Ademola Alalade. They stated the true position of things, corroborating the submissions of the security chiefs. At this point, all the tensions and apprehensions evaporated.

Trust Lam any day, he must rub it in. He spoke for about 20 minutes and the generals were at the edge of their seats for the entire period. They were like chicken that had just been thoroughly beaten by the rain.

Lam said: “ Before I thank you for this visit, you have come to tell me something. I also want to tell you something and that something is to make an appeal. General Buhari has been a former Head of State, Brigadier Marwa has governed Lagos for some time and with credibility… so you are national leaders of this country. Even though, by accident of birth, you are from the North, you can be born anywhere; may be next time when I am coming to the world, I will be born in the North or the South-South.

“My appeal will be that effort must be made to unite this country and that will be ïn the best interest of all Nigerians. I am appealing to the Arewa Consultative Forum, under which auspices our distinguished Nigerians are here; in recent times, they have been sending wrong signals to a number of us who believe in the unity and peace of Nigeria; you have been too critical of the efforts of the Federal Government. I am saying this because Nigeria, at this point, cannot afford to break and the words you northern leaders utter are very weighty, at the South here, we normally analyze them critically”.

On all the allegations, he said: “From what they have written in the petition, this government is completely blameless because we don’t interfere either with the judiciary or with the police functions. I always preach peaceful co-existence in Oyo State and Nigeria as a whole. We are all Nigerians and that is what we have been preaching all along and we shall continue to be Nigerians , no matter the present or immediate problems which will be solved by the grace of Allah.

“I want to say also that we really have to appeal to our people, the itinerant Bororo people, that they should observe less aggression. It is not good , it is not right just coming from somewhere then you just pass through farm lands cultivated may be with the person’s life savings and then over night everything is gone. That is not right, even Allah does not approve of that.
We even wonder when they talk about this people carrying dangerous weapons, I say do they really believe in Allah? When you just take life like that and go away! Are we not forbidden not to take human life? So I think General Buhari, General Marwa, you have to be educating them… It is my pleasure to inform you that at the Presidential Lodge, we have made some arrangements for refreshments so that before you go we can refresh together”.

Buhari and his team did not wait for any refreshments. They came in angry and left bewildered.

- See more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/11/day-lam-adesina-clashed-with-buhari-marwa-others/#sthash.PWVtesOW.dpuf

cap28:
it portrays Africans as primitive and backward and African Americans as thugs and criminals

Truth hurts definitely.

Is lawless not quite same as primitive?

What do African American successful artists and athletes do to promote the education and subsequent empowerment of their own race in the country? You can go through the following thread on NVS for a sample of what I am talking about:


http://nigeriavillagesquare.com/forum/main-square/88983-tale-two-boxers-manny-vs-mayweather.html



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Why do Asian Americans not suffer the same fate as African Americans


For how long shall we be our own worst enemies? Perhaps you should reflect on these issues.

elego1:
Like seriously, Nigeria is a free country...
In Nigeria, u buy 10 in 1 movie disc for 150 naira ($0.87). while in America the average price for a movies disc is $10 (2000 naira), while 10 movies is 20,000 naira.
meh!!! we are really enjoying in this country.

If we are really enjoying in Nigeria why is everyone praying and fasting to go and get stuck in the US and other law abiding places

What is the unemployment rate in Nigeria and the minimum wage here compared to the US?


What is the salary of a senator in the US compared to Nigeria




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About time................let them return to Nigeria and fix our country instead of being voluntary SLAVES to oyinbos equally endowed as they are.

I think the Supermod should have changed the moniker before putting this on FP.

Minimum decency requires this of us otherwise take it away from the FP.


Life, even on NL should not be all about traffic.

thaoriginator:
Sai Buhari

Are you ok

E be like sey you need deliverance.




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Pavore9:
Wake up, today is July 12th!

So?
What do you mean?

Electric power will soon be like this based on Jonathan's reform & TRANSFORMATION of this very important sector


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Fuel should have been this way if we did not behave like 200 million mumus in 2012.





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Brytawon:
This is what happens when the government has continued to fail the people who brought them to power. SMH...

Why don't you find out how much was given annually as budget to Yabatech plus fees raised to understand where the problem is instead of simply saying government

How many of YOUR own relations, friends etc do you know living BEYOND their salary with many cars & houses as public or private sector employees and what did YOU tell them?

Abandoning one's RESPONSIBILITY and blaming others is a Nigerian specialty.

kITATITA:
Professor Chukwuemeka Ike, a king, married outside Igboland. He married a Yoruba. Chief Emeka Anyaoku has non-Igbo wife. And many more.

Thanks for citing these notable people who obviously are well exposed. How much % do you think they comprise of all Anambra men

- 10%

- 25%

- 55%

- 80%

kITATITA:
I share your sentiments but Cosmas Maduka doesn't have privileged background. He struggled to where he is now. He has also avoided glamour and profligate lifestyle. He sent his son to UNILAG for his first degree even when he can afford the most expensive school. He remains humble and a Christian. The wedding happens to be the one time you'll show the gift God has given to you.

Firstly thanks for sharing my sentiments. It is a good start.

Can you find out the wedding of Clintons' only daughter and compare.

Yet these are people who spend their own money and raise from other Americans & Europeans to address development, medical, education etc gaps in Africa since our wealthy guys have gone AWOL on these social responsibilities. Most of them hardly pay TAXES even.

Is it any wonder that we black people remain scumbags of the world

Should we remain this way?

P.S.- This is not solely about Maduka but for all of us black people to re-examine ourselves.

philips70:
A society works with shared responsibilities. I am doing my bit. With this rate I can see you wil ostracize any family member of yours who doesn't share your political ideology. I guess this seemingly altercation is borne out of the fact that we share different political ideology. We are arguing about nothing! Let me enjoy my own version of freedom of speech please.

I can only laugh at your 'escape' tactics.

Dey enjoy your freedom oh.

richyblink1:
The groom is from Umudinkwa, umudim in nnewi north LG of Anambra state.
His father(Cosmas Maduka) constructed the first tarred road in their village as well as the first borehole in every corner of the village.

Stop hating!!!

I am not hating.

I asked a valid question that you have NOT answered. So........

Viktor1983:
Their HomeTown is Nnewi in Anambra state.
Home to ifeanyi Ubah, Innoson Chukwuma, Ibeto , the late odumegwu ojukwu.
Believe me no one is unable to go to school there.
Anambra knows the value of education.

I am very happy to know that all children resident in Nnewi attend primary, secondary, technical and vocational school. That is the basis of any meaningful communal development.

Thanks.

UnknownT:
and they said Anambra men don't marry outside Their state

How many % Anambra men do you know/think who marry outside to invalidate the generalisation you made

Their village na wetin be the name?

How many children are UNABLE to go to school there apart from other deprivations of basic modern life

A man is only as good as his background. Simplicita.

ORACLE1975:
If this change which we’ve all fought for crumbles, we
would hold Saraki responsible. By the time people like
Tinubu, Ameachi Kwankwaso, Wammako, Atiku and
other APC members started to be as selfish as Saraki,
this change will fail. Like every human being, all APC
members have selfish interest yet they kept their
interest hidden for Nigeria to work but Saraki & Dogara.

'Kept their interest hidden to unseat Jonathan', you mean

Objective achieved back to dog chop dog selfish interests.

Chikena.

Lobatan.

Finito.

philips70:
You gradually pulled this into an argument instead of a discourse. Observation is a prelude to action.

Is this a new observation? If it is not, what action has it led to, since you talk of prelude

Thanks.