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mapet: ......and the problems back then are still the situation today? Or the population back then are still the same today? Is the cost in real and nominal terms still same?

What will the sentiment of your wage disparities solve in the behemoth of housing gaps. Even if all the level 8 officers in Lagos are given house free of charge, how many have benefited in the larger scheme of things.

I still maintain that you are so jumpy to layout flawed assumptions with little provision for deep reasoning.

I never said anyone should be given free houses so STOP twisting my words

If you don't understand about wage disparity that I raised simply say so and I might consider educating you thereon for free, ok

biodunid: Where are FG estates? At least Shagari and Jakande used to compete in this area back then? Shari bungalow was N8k while Jakande 3BR flat was N6k. As a teenage clerk in a Federal ministry I was aspiring to a bungalow then. Virtually every LASG teacher got a flat then with payments deducted over many years from their salary. There was indeed a country.

Can ANY Lagos state government teacher on Fashola's payroll afford a room & parlour in any of these glossy estates that mostly don't even have TAP water.

Indeed there was a Lagos STATE

mapet: The danger of a limited analysis borne out of either ignorance or reasoning deficit from you both is that you present a miniscule part of the big picture, then go to town with jaundiced implication. Can you give us in the forum the demographics of the workforce in Lagos, the stats of Government to Private workers, the number of the over 20m population working for the civil service? Sticking your argument to level is simply not addressing the big picture.

Let me engage you a little along the line through which you seek to argue

1. Is the population of Lagos workforce consist of only level 8 civil servants alone? Please tell me the ratio of Level 8 workforce in all the Lagos State Civil service to the ratio Level 8 in other industries and sectors combined (Banks, FMCGs, Insurance coys, Manufacturing, Private Education and many more). Are you tell me they are not Lagosians and do not deserve access to the housing scheme?
2. Even when talking about level 8, do you expect a level 8 fresh graudate to afford any of these houses from the get-to-go? where is that obtainable anywhere in the world even with running housing schemes? I expect a Level 8 Officer in the Civil service to first commit to a savings for a period of a minimum of 3years. I expect that he'll have access to bonuses at work, loans, housing grants etc which he can add to his savings. I expect that by the 5th year he'll been in Level 9-10 pay grade and his savings capacity will improve. I expect that he starts the scheme and 10years later he'll be in Level 13-14, by then he can sell off his house and buy a bigger one
3. I have laid submissions here in the past that except we want to stay on a one-sided limited views, there are many ways even the market or street based couples can afford the 4.3m housing scheme. I made assumption that such would have been in business for a period of 5years and made committed savings as such will be able to afford 1million naira or more. I dare tell you that the average market man or woman in a typical Lagos Market can compare favourably with working class in terms of take home net (I assume how each decides to spend it depends on the individual).

Just a simple response to you-

- Go and find out the profile of the original buyers of the bungalows & houses built by the LASG in Surulere in the 60s and 70s.

In doing so you may find out the wage DISPARITY between civil servants & PUBLIC servants back then and why our people did not have to go into socio-economic EXILE and be second class citizens in oyinbo lands as we clamour for now.

Some of our leaders are really SENSELESS in their bid to impress their CLUELESS MUGU fellow compatriots.

Why buy a complex equipment for which you do not have MANY trained technicians in your society to MAINTAIN

Meanwhile there is rampant youth UNEMPLOYMENT among engineering graduates who can physically do the job just as well and get paid a FRACTION of the cost of this INAPPROPRIATE machine

Firefire: For university graduates, the entry point is between N54,000 - N58,000 per month.

GL08 – S1 will receive N648,656 and on attaining S15 will receive N696,000.Per Annum.

So, how can the above GL be able to afford a Room and Palour from the Lagos state scheme

E&OE

So which people will make up the TARGET market of Fashola's CLUELESS housing programme

Firefire: All the post here should include a well-documented means of acquiring the said properties and not all this BOGUS pictures been paraded here.

The lowest cost of this property is:

A ROOM AND PALOUR going for 4.3m NGN and you pay a 30% (i.e. 1.3m) down payment and spread the remaining over 10 years and maximum 20 years.

How long will it take someone earning 50,000 in Lagos to raise 1.3m down payment

It would take you 2 year & 2 months if you will not eat again from your 50k salary and 4 years if you will use 50% of your pay for the acquisition (i.e 25k)

Why does Nigeria like deceiving fellow Nigerians with propaganda?

Just so we are all sure of what we are talking about:

How much is the salary of a Level 08 Officer in the lagos state civil service

bashydemy: Ediot at the bold, and they should be sleeping outside after school right? Show us one of your Village Governor uncompleted project and we are good with you.

Eni a bata kafi ra atupa ti oni ohun eni ajitanawo - person we suppose sell take buy lantern sey im na VIP wey dem dey wake up with lantern every morning.

Original e-diot like you dey call another ediot

What makes you think "my village governor" is not CLUELESS Fashola
What?

No wonder you cannot recognise Fashola's UTTER cluelessness in the state's education sector since you are a certified MUGU yourself

This is really stupid.

engineerd: Very good development.....What i would like to see next is an improvement in Lagos state's PUBLIC EDUCATION.....

Not likely to happen anytime soon despite the humongous World Bank loan he took for the sector and almost N 6 billion EXTRA budgetary allocation from the federal government through UBEC.

Should education not be the first priority of a governor who is not [size=14pt]CLUELESS as Fashola obviously is[/size]
Even Akpabio understands this foundational knowledge about SUSTAINABLE development!!!

Why is the ESSENTIAL information about their PRICE missing in this image laundering campaign

Oh I forgot, Fashola's secretive government of the ELITE by the ELITE but paid for by the MUGUS has not adopted the FREEDOM of Information law

Did he not drag SERAP to court over details of the World Bank loan for education that he received

omenka: PDP created Boko Haram (according to Azazi) in order to:

1) Use it to decimate the population of the electorates sympathetic to the opposition.

2) Use it as a front to loot the country dry through the allocation of a substantial fraction of our budget to defence and the award of defence contracts running into billions of dollars, the end result of which is only evident in the bank accounts of the PDP chiefs. Everyone knows the account books of the defence ministry is never scrutinised, neither are their accounts audited! It is a safe haven for the sleaziest crooks we have in this country! These monies are eventually used to prosecute elections and ensure the killer party retains power at the centre. The $1bill loan being sought after quickly comes to mind.

3) It was created to be used as a tool to blackmail the opposition. The scourge of kidnapping would have been a lot worse than it is today had the opposition been as strong as it is in the north in the south east!!

4) It was created to be used as a tool or cover to wipe out opposition bigwigs. State agents could assassinate a party chieftain Boko Haram style, riding motorcycles and throwing a couple grenades, and the gullible general public would wave it off as just another victim of Boko Haram!!

5) Use it to distabilize the north and other opposition strongholds, with INEC in tow to declear such states unsafe for elections (Jega already hinted at that), effectively disenfranchising a horde of opposition voters, leaving mostly PDP friendly states to have elections!!


Anyone who doesn't see this handwriting on the wall is acutely shortsighted or simply ignorant.

Will you mind providing a credible source for your story

sexzskil: I, my family, relatives, friends, coleagues and entire household will never buy this inferior, classless, childish so-called motors

See person wey nor dey inferior, get class and nor dey childish dey call car/vehicle sey na motors, chai

quid: 1930 Ford .

Why you come helep our fellow compatriot wey im INFERIORITY complex nor go gree am see road.
We for wait make im come show us "orther countries first car."

runzlord: Av u seen orther countries first car. U will no why Im not impressed

Abeg show us America's first car or that of UK, India, Russia, China etc.
We dey wait oh otherwise you and other enemies of our progress should


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Truckpusher: Enemies of Nigeria will be having nightmares

Indeed oh....and dem fit write letter upon letter without contributing anything positive to resolving the problems that their years of ineptitude in government created for this current generation

This auto policy of the "clueless" Jonathan/Sambo administration is truly wonderful.
See as Innoson dey do advert sharp sharp now as other auto assembly plants don dey set up for we country

Just as it was with the mobile telephone business from 2000/2001 with deregulation so it will be with vehicles and then electricity.
We shall OVERCOME together as a nation of diverse talents and the divisive proponents of the "baboon & monkey soaked in blood" shall not prevail against our PROGRESS.

shevy45: A UK USed SDMO 100kva Generator Forsale. This Generator Can Power A Whole Estate. There's a warranty For it, A beep Or A Ping Will Surely Convince You. Pin:21D1C3A6

Una don start to dey dispose of una gen sets already
Shebi people sey nothing dey happen for electricity....una nor wan wait make the power transformation finish ni?

preselect: even if it is for publicity stunt, i still give him kudos. i hope governors will build roads for publicity stunts, build hospitals, schools, etc for publicity stunts, provide electricity and water for 2015 publicity stunt things.

a city where boko haram has attacked, most people in his shoes will be scared of coming out openly like this. yes, this is not enough to develop nigeria, but only people like me who appreciate how bad nigeria is can be able to appreciate whatever little that brings nigeria towards the right direction.
bc right now, nigeria is a battered mess

My related response from a related thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/1821402/picture-igp-md-abubakar-controlling/1#24843816

Why are we so GULLIBLE that we allow ourselves to be taken for CLUELESS MUGUS by these thieving LEADERS
Why?

This picture means the IG is a very INCOMPETENT manager of the policemen under his AUTHORITY who are supposed to do REGULAR traffic control work
Pure & simple
Are there no important DECISIONS that HE needs to take concerning the SECURITY of our country seeing as BH bombs are going off everywhere as well as kidnappings, armed robberies, rapes etc
Na to control traffic dey pose for photo na im be im PRIORITY.

- Meanwhile most police barracks across the country are DILAPIDATED despite billions budgeted yearly
- Police are badly equipped and ALLOWANCES owed them.

No wonder the USELESS man had millions of our stolen money to marry a young wife How much could possibly be the IG's monthly salary

200 million MUMU citizens na im we be, chai

wirinet: Where did you get your truth from? are you the SSS official that stopped her or the spokesman of SSS? Because from SSS accounts, they only denied arresting her, they did not give details of what transpired.

Why don't you guys demand for details of the incident before jumping into conclusion. You can demand from either Madam Ezekwelisi herself or the SSS, before to start to crucify her.

Well here you are from the UPDATED Premium Times report on her CLAIMED "arrest":

A former Minister of Education, Obiageli Ezekwesili, was Monday morning arrested by security agents at the Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport, Abuja, as she tried to travel to London for a scheduled engagement.
The operatives confiscated her travelling documents as well.

She was however released after the government came under intense pressure as news of her arrest flooded the social media and travelled around the country, with many Nigerians lambasting the administration for increasingly clamping down on critics and members of the opposition.
[size=15pt]Mrs. Ezekwesili had tweeted at 7:37 a.m.[/size] Monday that she was heading to London to appear on the BBC Hardtalk programme but was prevented from boarding her flight by security operatives.
Is this a democracy? I am being detained by the SSS at Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport . The SSS has refused to give my passport to me,” she posted. “On my way to London this morning for my @BBCHARDtalk appearance billed for tomorrow and the SSS has detained me by withholding my passport.”

These tweets soon went viral within minutes with several Nigerians on social media lampooning the government and calling for the immediate release of the former minister.
At 8:03 am, Mrs. Ezekwesili tweeted that the operatives had released her passport.
“SSS has released it. [size=15pt]Just barely made the BA flight. Last to board @ 7.55[/size] for an 8.00 am flight that is now taxiing. Is this democracy?” she wrote. “No one can seize my democratic rights. I refused to let the SSS get away with trampling on my constitutional right.”

More from: http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/165267-oby-ezekwesili-arrested-released.html

Please how many minutes are there between 7.37 and 7.55

She was obviously FORMING Big Madam as in she be FORMER Minister and they make plenty NOISE with these Chibok mishap to regain RELEVANCE.
Is that not how WE are

The parts of the passport you quoted has no bearing whatsoever on the matter at hand. First SSS denied seizing her passport, so i do not understand how the example of revoking snowden's passport comes in here.

Can you see where she said "no one can seize my democratic rights"
In short, a national passport is not anyone's democratic right as it is clearly stated on the passport itself.
Get it

Was her passport revoked? can SSS revoke a citizen's passport?

The DSS says her passport was not seized even though they are CONSTITUTIONALLY empowered as a law enforcement agent of the FRN. not so

Again, we should be CAREFUL to be well informed and apply a reasonable amount of common logic so we are no longer treated as MUGUs by our politicians.

It seems the TRUTH is finally revealing itself, to wit:

She was stopped, questioned, searched like any ORDINARY Nigerian traveler and she started CLAIMING arrest to gather sympathy from her CLUELESS fellow compatriots who cannot fathom and reason through the protocols of international travel
Anyway as she be former Minister of Education the korofos suppose recognise Big Mama, abi

How many of us have been questioned likewise while travelling out of Nigeria or even other countries
Anyway as we nor be FORMER Minister we nor sabi scream ARREST for twitter

BTW, I hope our highly educated, widely travelled FORMER Minister realises that the last page of OUR national passport proclaims & I quote:

This passport remains the property of the Federal Republic of Nigeria and may be withdrawn at any time.

The first page contains, under the Coat of Arms of the country, the following words:

These are to request[b] in the name of the President and Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Federal Republic of Nigeria[/b] all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance and to afford him or her every assistance and protection of which he or she may be in need.

Anyone who has his national passport close by can check/verify the above quotes.
Meanwhile this is what happened with Edward Snowden's Amercian passport :

U.S. yanks passport of whistle-blower Edward Snowden as he seeks asylum in Ecuador

Snowden is said to be seeking asylum in Ecuador
His revoked passport could complicate - but not thwart - his travel plans
Snowden is being helped by attorneys for the organization WikiLeaks

23 June 2013

More details from: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2346924/U-S-yanks-passport-whistle-blower-Edward-Snowden-seeks-asylum-Ecuador.html

Let us stop falling our own hands like the MUGUs, which our politicians treat us as

LordAdam: Your post highlights a roadmap to a Nigeria of 2-3 decades from now. I'm piping on what's obtainable in a few years time.

You've got a brilliant idea. But it's like making regulations for newer foreign investors looking to set up industries, to compulsorily use more green initiatives than is pragmatic or pay heavy taxes. Of course that makes for a good show of eco-conscience, but that's simply counter-intuitive when we haven't gotten to respectable level of industrialization yet.

Cars are not just meant to commute people to work, you can't rule out the convenience of having a family going out on the weekends or to a place of religious worship in a moderately-sized sedan or SUV.

A larger percentage of the national budget caters for recurrent expenditure, much larger than that earmarked for capital expenditure. And I get that you were referring to the state/local governments, still I'm guessing the stats won't be too far apart.

Let's take things slow. Nigeria is changing, and those who care to observe could tell. Contrary to what some might want us believe, it's not pegged on any one person. I see good stuff in opposition-held states and same good stuff in other states. Let's make this work, I'm not saying we should forsake our ideologies of how the country should be run, but think of it--politics benefits the politicians, what the rest of us get is the crumbs.

If anyone still wants to play their drum, fine by me (I've got my own pills to swallow) and I hope he or she gets something tangible in return. Personally, I just think we should mark our scripts and advocate for what's right for us as individuals, our families and our fellow countrymen.

~LordAdam

Thanks, the highlighted is exactly what I was saying.
The Lagos BRT scheme and delayed metro/light rail schemes align with that already and I am certain there may be examples from other states.

Zikkyy: Government policies should favor consumers, not kill them. i think the government should consider other consumer friendly incentive schemes for investors.

I hope you don't mind sharing examples of such workable, proven policies in the context of encouraging local production of items, with us here.
Thanks.

Reptyle: This is very good news. I pray the establishment of these plants will have a positive impact on the market price.

I hope, however that FG will delay the planned import tariff until locally produced cars start to roll off the plants.

The problem most times is that our government tends to put the cart before the horse; e.g. forcing an increase in electricity tariff on a market that is yet to feel the full impact of the ongoing power reforms. That should be the last item on the project plan.

You are looking at things SIMPLY/ONLY from the consumer's point of view.
How about considering the businessman's/investor's viewpoint

Why would any investor put his money into a venture without guarantees of good market PLUS tidy profit? Would you do your business otherwise
How much were moblie phones, SIM cards, call rates when they were introduced in 2000/2001?
How much are they now?

Zikkyy: The word highlighted red is what am talking about.

Thanks.......This is really getting interesting.
They had power, which they generated themselves for so many decades before pulling out of MANUFACTURING in 2010.
So maybe it was not power the MAIN infrastructure problem that they had before their decision to fold up. That is my line of thoughts.

Eldavido1: Very bad move on the side of the govrtment.

This is really very bad as it gives unnecessary PUBLICITY to someone who is in dire need of such just as is/was the case of El-Rufai another job-seeking former Minister of OBJoke.
Thankfully the government OPERATIVES realised their mistake and released her.

BTW, how do we know the ARREST actually happened
What exactly constitutes an ARREST?

Zikkyy: because cost of sourcing the amount of water required is insignificant.

You MAY have a point but when you consider that you need power to INDIVIDUALLY supply the large amount of water from an industrial borehole the cost may THEN become significant.
A possibility i.e.

Zikkyy: Am sorry but water cannot be the reason for closing shop.

Why not?
Do you think it is because water makes such a small amount of the tyre making process or what exactly
And as the Company Secretary said there were many reasons:

- low import tariffs
- infrastructures

Shopmoni: 5. Rice produced in naija though better but it comes with stones and every.

You can set up or join others in setting up a small factory (and grow it) to remove the stones and sell at a higher price.
What say you

6. It is only in this country that we allow cars without Airbags and other safety features.

How MANY countries have you been to in this world or do you know their car standards to make such a general statement
Have you been to China, India, Vietnam, Myanmar/Burma, Cambodia etc?

Zikkyy: I think you guys are saying the same thing. Local tires were priced higher than imported tires dues mainly to huge power cost.

That is why I said power is not the MAIN cause. It was part of the cause as the Dunlop Secretary clearly stated in her interview.
However the problematic power situation did not emerge in 2010, not even 10 years before i.e. 2000. I also know for a fact that Dunlop always had super-sized generators in its main factory on Oba Akran Avenue, Ikeja.

Moreover, the lady said INFRASTRUCTURES, which includes pipe-borne water supply that is SOLELY the constitutional RESPONSIBILITY of the STATE government. Have we given thought to the fact that it COULD BE the worsening of the water supply situation since 1999 when Thief'nubu took over that led to the closure of their factory

Emulti: And u will remain a servant all d days of ur life, amen.

Thanks a lot.
Some people are really so lazy in their thoughts seeking saviour and identifying messiahs at the least sign of progress to ensure they remain servants to their "daddies" and "mummies"

Once power is settled believe me, Nigeria will be great.

Maybe we should ask Thief'nubu & Fashola who made so much noise about ENRON barge IPP so many years ago what happened?
At least they make IGR of over N25 billion monthly and having steady power with complementary industries can only mean more tax money for their pockets

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For those who may need to remember, just some 15 years ago, this is from the Lagos State Electricity Board (LSEB):

AES Power Barge Project

In 1999, the Lagos State Government (LASG) entered into a Power Purchase Agreement (PPA) with Enron for the purchase of electricity. This was the first Independent Power Project in Nigeria. The PPA divided the project into three phases. Phase I was for three barge-mounted electricity generating units, having an aggregate nominal capacity of 90MW. Phase II was the design, construction and operation of a simple cycle electricity generating facility with a nominal capacity of 548 MW. Phase III was another set of barge-mounted electricity generating units with an aggregate nominal capacity of 180MW. Phase II did not materialize; hence parties proceeded only with Phase I and III. The barges are located at Egbin near Ikorodu.

In view of the legal and regulatory regime at that time, the arrangement therefore was for LASG to buy power from Enron and for same to be distributed by NEPA to the geographical areas specified in the PPA. The purchased power was to be distributed to those geographical areas in addition to, and not in substitution for, any electricity that is generated otherwise than by the barges. These areas were [size=15pt]Ikeja[/size], Oshodi, Victoria Island, Marina, Lekki and Apapa.

The plant commenced operations in June 2001 with a total aggregate capacity of 270 MW injected into the national grid.

From: http://www.lseb.gov.ng/content/aes-power-barge-project

internetpo: I think that thats a good thing the IG is doing. leading by example rather than other leaders.

It shows that the man is JOBLESS and needs to relieved of his position since he apparently lacks ideas on how to train & organise his workforce.

Na which company MD you go see dey go factory floor to spend time actually assemblying the company's products.
This is clearly a photo-op shot that should not impress anyone who is not a MUGU since he, the IG, has not sorted out more pressing issues of the police men under his watch. Or has he

fiverrwin: When will they be making the parts here instead of assembly

Please ask from those who were around in the 70s till early 80s.
At least Peugeot (Kaduna), Volkswagen (Lagos), Leyland (Ibadan), Steyr (Bauchi) were using LOCALLY made batteries (and maybe chairs/seats) among other small things in the assembly of cars/trucks/tractors in Nigeria way back then.

The CLUELESS import-all policy of the SENSELESS military DICTATOR COUPISTS we had since after Gowon led to their gradual disintegration, which is what slowly but STEADILY the administration of Jonathan/Sambo is reviving.