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Demdem:
In otherwords, ministry of housing had zero allocations for five years?

I would have thought you were more intelligent - did I make a mistake

whatlyf: lolssss... I thought you said 10,000?

10,000 flats/houses or 10,000 mortgages?
Abi you sef get am for comprehension challenges ni

Demdem: By the way, the critical component is missing. The unit price. Will like to compare and contrast.
Again, are these the only ones? Just enugu and Lagos for all these years? None elsewhere? Compare to allocations for five years.

What are the allocations for five years
Kindly share.

Obiagelli: see me see wahala o, read your own post.


Oya where ministry of housing house na?

I guess it is safe to conclude that your own case na serious comprehension challenges.
Wetin NYSC teachers dey do chai We better get our governors to recruit regularly PROFESSIONAL teachers for our children

And this one also:

Jonathan commissions 200-unit police housing estate in Lagos -

See more at: http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/141337-jonathan-commissions-200-unit-police-housing-estate-in-lagos.html#sthash.W6NAeu5b.dpuf

Obiagelli: where are the housing estate?

Because you asked for it - right here on NL in this very month of July:

Yoritsekiri: https://cdn.dailypost.ng/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/image82-300x194.jpg?605670
https://dvsl3w2q45hb8.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/HOUSE3.jpg
Nigeria’s President Goodluck Jonathan on Friday re-stated the commitment of his administration to provide shelter for all Nigerians. The President spoke through the Vice President, Namadi Sambo while commissioning completed 324 Housing Units, Elim Estate in Nike, Enugu State. He stated that the project was an eloquent testimony on the determination of the Federal Government to provide low cost housing for all Nigerians. According to Jonathan, “Today’s commissioning ceremony is another beautiful and verifiable pointer to the success of housing delivery and verifiable urban development strategies of our administration”. He further stated that the past four years had
witnessed our painstaking and remarkable
achievements in many sectors, stressing that “we are beginning to notice significant improvement in housing and urban development arising from the implementation of the many people-oriented projects. “We shall not relent in our efforts to provide affordable housing for our people. Housing is very important to social and economic development of any society”. He expressed delight at the commissioning of the estate which was financed by FMBN using resources of the National Housing Fund (NHF) scheme and developed by NBP Projects Limited. According to him, “it is remarkable that to enable the scheme cater for affordability issues of individuals, the estate offers 1 bedroom, 2
bedroom, 3 bedroom units among others at
affordable prices to low and medium income
earners. “While commending the developers for prudent use of the resources, I wish to say that this commissioning signifies the usefulness of synergy and corporation between government and private sector. It underscores the effectiveness of the NHF
as a veritable source of long term funding and justifies the need to strengthen the scheme through the recapitalisation of FMBN. “Also, the Nigerian Mortgage Refinancing Company
(NMRC) which was launched last year will bridge the cost of residential mortgages, stimulate availability of good houses to Nigerians and reducing affordability and gaps to finance.”
President Jonathan commended the developer, COPEN Group, for delivering on quality and time. Earlier, Governor Sullivan Chime of Enugu State said apart from keying into the Federal Housing Scheme, his government was partnering with the private
sector to provide quality and affordable houses for its workers. While assuring of his readiness to continue partnering with the Federal Ministry of Land, Housing and Urban Development in that regards, he disclosed that “I have directed the relevant agencies of government to expedite action on the ministry’s request for land to provide a similar estate. “Here in Enugu State, we have fully developed 6 estates and all of them are occupied. We found time to commission the Maryland Estate, which contains 384 Units, fully developed”. The Governor, however, observed that since it could not meet the housing needs of the people alone, it had continued to partner with reputable estate developers, noting that “Elim Estate is a clear
example of such partnership”. He equally described the developer, Rev. Surveyor Ugochukwu Chime as a rare achiever and called on other contractors and developers to emulate the rare standard he had set. The Chairman, Senate Committee on Housing, Dr.
Buka Aba Ibrahim, in a goodwill message at the event disclosed that the National, Social Housing Bill would be passed next week “so that the federal government can mobilize to build houses not just for the rich but for all levels of people in the country”. The MD COPEN Group, Rev. Surveyor Ugochukwu Chime, in his address, disclosed that the 324 Elim Estate consists of 75 number of 3 bedroom detached bungalow, 89 number of 2 bedroom semi-detached block of flats, 32 number of 2 bedroom in Terrace and 128 number of 1 bedroom Terrace. The Estate, according to him, equally contains a perimeter fencing and police post, tarred access roads, dedicated 500 KVA transformer, water reticulation, indoor sporting facilities and a shopping centre. Chime further stated that despite all challenges,
COPEN Group has commissioned three Federal
Mortgage Bank of Nigeria, FMBN, funded estates with 405 housing units in Enugu State alone.
www.dailypost.ng/2014/07/11/president-jonathan-commissions-324-housing-units-elim-estate-enugu/?utm_source=&utm_medium=twitter

https://www.nairaland.com/1809157/president-jonathan-commissions-324-housing

Obiagelli: main task is mortgage then what happens to commercial banks, which kinds joke be this? I guess that's what is obtainable world wide.
Btw whatever happened to sme and boi loans. Yeye dey smell

Where did you get the highlighted - main task is mortgage
Are you simply getting things twisted to be mischievous or you have serious comprehension challenges?

Na which one be your own case

whatlyf: Consider location, Cost of Land In that location, payment/repayment arrangement? quality of the property? bros na wa you o. You have nothing to criticise. This one is lame

Is it lame to highlight that Alhaji Babatunde Raji Fashola is either:

a) CLUELESS as to propose houses that are NOT affordable to the workers of the government that he leads.
b) actively encouraging CORRUPTION if he somehow expects the workers to be able to buy the houses.

Which one do you think is his case

Obiagelli: what is the fg or Apkabio offering?

FGN is offering mortgages and housing estates.
This thread is focused on mortgages, which gives a wider option and encourages private estate developers an efficient role to play, if I am not mistaken.

Obiagelli: common man, i asked a simple question, don't run away, why is the ministry of housing not building houses?

The Ministry of Housing does not exist ONLY for the building of houses. Its main task is to ensure there are houses for the people using the optimal means & mix, such as this 10,000 MORTGAGE scheme that is a 1st phase.
Answered

whatlyf: oga i want to confirm IF you saw the link?

Yes for the OUTRAGEOUSLY RIDICULOUS prices:

Room & Parlour for N4.34m
1 bedroom Type 1 as high as N6.40m

Pray tell us what is the salary of a Level 08 Officer in Fashola's LASG

atlwireles: Oh my God, oh God, what happened to this country's educational system

The state governors & their LGA Chairmen have ABANDONED this very important constitutional RESPONSIBILITY for primary, VOCATIONAL, secondary and TECHNICAL schools, despite receiving billions in extra-budgetary assistance from the federal government through UBEC for this purpose, while putting up physical structures that cannot be sustained nor maintained without ALL our children having been received quality basic education.
What a shame!!!

adebayo201: Eh... this one go sweet gan!
APC... watch your back

Also Jimi should watch his back so he is not dealt with the way Funsho Williams was dealt with in 2006
The dirt in Alausa House needs to continue being covered up by a trusted hand just as it was arranged in 2007.

whatlyf: Come on, you have the right to Sue Lagos State House for court to mandate the passage of FOI law. I also condemn shredding public transactions in secrecy. But this article is about FG's Mortgage and not Lagos FOI.

My post was in response to a request for the price of the flats in the glossy propaganda pictures.
Any idea of the prices of the flats that you can share

BTW, I see you understand this is about mortgage and NOT about housing estates - it is called Private sector led investments/development that is more efficient and gives government money and avoids corruption loopholes.
That is how thinking people fight corruption - SYSTEMATICALLY & not some noisy show like RibaduN's EFCC that failed us woefully. How many arrests and successful prosecutions were made under his watch with OBJoke

atlwireles: Is this a housing program or a mortgage finance program. Why are these almajiris consumed by hate. The article clearly states "Under the scheme, 10,000 eligible Nigerians will be awarded mortgages worth between N2 million to N20 million at low interest rate in the first phase. Physically challenged applicants will be given special attention". Money you can take to approved private sector developers. Why do you people constantly try to mislead this forum.

Why are Apc maggots, coming out daily to spread lies and propaganda. Are you telling us you don't know what Mortgage finance is?

How can they know when they have been taught in their secondary schools by youth corper teachers since their APC state governors are not employing PROFESSIONALLY qualified teachers and thereby adding to youth UNEMPLOYMENT

bokoslayer: How much does a unit cost? Can you tell us please

Why are you asking a question that no one will answer
Fashola has clearly said he runs a boju boju (hide & seek) secretive mafia government and the FoI bill does not apply in his state, irrespective of the fact that it is the signature legislative work of their APC Abike Dabiri:

$90m loan spending: FOI Act not applicable to Lagos •Fashola tells court

overnor Babatunde Fashola of Lagos State has told a Federal High Court sitting in Lagos that he intended to file a preliminary objection challenging the suit by a civil society group, seeking to compel him to release information relating to how government spent the $90 million loan obtained for improving public schools in the state.

The state Attorney-General and Commissioner for Justice, Mr Ade Ipaye, at the resumed hearing in the matter before Justice Saliu Saidu, hinted of the government’s intention to challenge the suit, in addition to a counter-affidavit he earlier filed in opposition to the suit.

The Socio-Economic Rights and Accountability Project (SERAP) instituted the suit against Fashola and Ipaye, and prayed the court to compel the governor to disclose how the loan allegedly obtained from the World Bank for education in the state was spent.

SERAP had argued that it resorted to suing the governor and the Attorney-General after the government refused to honour its letter dated December 1, 2013, requesting for the information brought in pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act 2011.

But Ipaye had, in a counter-affidavit, opposed the suit, arguing that the FoI Act was not applicable to Lagos State, because the law was a federal legislation.

At the hearing, he asked for an adjournment to enable him to file the objection within seven days.

Counsel for SERAP, Mr Adetokunbo Mumuni, did not oppose the application for an adjournment.

The trial judge adjourned the matter till June 4 and ordered that the court would hear both the preliminary objection and the substantive application together at its next sitting.

Ipaye, the second defendant in the suit, argued in the defendants’ counter-affidavit that since the FoI Act was a federal legislation, it was only applicable in relation to public records of government of the federation and not of the states.

From: http://tribune.com.ng/tribune-law/item/3266-90m-loan-spending-foi-act-not-applicable-to-lagos-fashola-tells-court/3266-90m-loan-spending-foi-act-not-applicable-to-lagos-fashola-tells-court

What manner of progreTHIEVES

Amuga: This is a good one @op. some men should learn to include their wives at making such financial decision.
A friend of mine was lamenting seriously yesterday that whenever her husband wants to give money to his steps, (he is the only child of his mom) as soon as he see her coming he will change the topic or tell them to meet him in the office thereby portraying her as a bad person.

That husband nor be better person abeg!

angela98: its not about failure o..before her mother visited she ain't like that. Things changed after her mother visited. How I start suspecting that its a voodoo thing was when friends contributed money for her after the death of her husband, to rent a house to avoid ending up a hostel. Her mum called her and she just send all d money to her...she already send the money before she could realise what she had done.

Please note & reflect:

Matthew 5: 3a

Blessed are the poor in spirit:

From: http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=matthew+5%3A3&ver=kjv

When a person is MORE religious than RATIONAL, the person opens himsef/herself up to various influences that essentially reflect a state of being poor (as opposed to being strong & resolute) in spirit. My own interpretation that has worked very well for me so far against ALL forms of religious influence against rational decision making.
QED!
I hope you understand my point.....

Obiagelli: oops my bad. You shouldn't discourage those of us here, we have a nation to build.
Btw do you also stay away from elections where you are?

Even if he is not in Nigeria he sure has folks & friends here that he contacts regularly and thus can encourage them to do the needful politically.
Being away from the country is NO excuse jor.

angela98: Thank you vikel2104. Very very good points. Let me start by sharing an awful dilemma that my colleague in UK is facing.
She and her hubby has a good job they own a house have two kids. They never neglected family back home, they are always very supportive. She built her mum a house, sponsored her siblings through school, set up businesses for them. the husband has only two brothers no parent, he brought them to study in UK on a student visa. Her mum came visiting in UK after her return to Nigeria, she suddenly became greedy. She went as far as using voodoo to start demanding and collecting money from the daughter without empathy.
I witnessed one occasion, on that day she called and asked her daughter to send her £5000 to acquire a chieftaincy title. This lady didn't have that money but went to borrow from the bank and send to her mother. The financial demand didn't stop both from her married brothers and sisters until she ran into debt.
UK economy crushed, lots of folks lost their jobs or have their working hours reduced . she lost her job, could no longer keep up with her debt and mortgage. Her husband developed cancer was hospitalised, earlier this year her hubby passed on. To cut story short, she ran to her family for comfort during the distressing time, they shunned her. Because she couldn't afford to pay for her nephews tuition fee. Her mum called her stingy and selfish for the first time. Anyway, the bank took possession of her house and she resorted to renting again. No savings no job, ended up in bad credit record. Now she is trying to pick up her life. See what family did to her. They wrecked her dry. She has spent 28years in UK.

Don't you think we give the devil & voodoo too much credit for our own failures and INDISCIPLINE

Frankie9ice: An AIG is next in line? Obviously you are a learner!!!
There are at least 6 DIGs (deputy inspector general) who are by far senior to the more than 10-12 AIGs.
Is Suleiman Abba d most competent or most qualified to be promoted IGP?
Judging by Jeg's antecedents,.....No, he is not the most qualified.
I bet he got the job simply to plough political patronage bak to d abacha family.
......Najia in reverse gear since 2007!!!!

Can you please tell us how IGPs and other similar law enforcement/ para-military heads have been chosen BEFORE Jonathan's administration and if it differs from the practice in choosing Abba
Thanks.

Just20: Congrats to him. Pray he will do more cos IG Abubakar really set the bar high.

How?
With barracks looking like shi't dumps

MzMariah: The deteriorating infrastructural amenities in our barracks across the nation has reached an alarming crescendo and if nothing is done by the relevant authorities to curb this infrastructure decadence, it will get to a point this supposed facilities began breeding criminals and social misfits into our society. Sometime ago, the media was awash of 'such' neglect in a police college until the government wade in to address the infrastructure neglects that bedevilled them.

One need to take a tour of these barracks to ascertain the level of neglect. Often time I wonder if the government are aware of the pitiable situation of this barracks. I went visiting an aunt yesterday at the [size=15pt]federal highway patrol police barrack[/size] in ikeja but to my bewilderment, a section of the block was thrown into frenzy as the occupants of the said block scamper for safety due to the collapsing building that poses threat to their lives. In my investigative nature, I learnt occupants of most building in the vicinity are living with fears as some of the buildings are supported by wooden frames as the original pillars has given away due to lack of maintenance.

The deplorable conditions of this buildings and other things like water, road networks is something so despicable. I wish the government can come to the aid of the police barracks in ikeja and fix their infrastructures as most families of officers and men of the police force has been displaced owing to the falling buildings. Below are pictorial evidence to show the level of infrastructure abandonment these people contend with. Wonder how a man will risk his life to protect the citizens of a country only to return home with the realisation that danger lurks around his household.

From: https://www.nairaland.com/1517655/infrastructural-neglect-nigerian-barracks

Or by declined rates of armed robbery, kidnappings, theft, fraud
Abi how do you measure the performance of an Oga Olopa aka IGP?

Does anyone know why we are so DUMB?

What is wrong with the existing uniform?
Are there not more important and urgent needs for the federal government than this

We should STOP simply giving money to our relations who are able bodied and so can work and earn a living.
A worthwhile person should learn to live within his/her means even as he makes appropriate sacrifice/savings/investments to grow his future income flow in order to meet ever increasing needs.
A one-off punctual assistance is ok but should NEVER be repeated as to become habitual.
NEVER.

Giving such regular assistance apart from being against Christian [and maybe other religious] teachings also promotes CORRUPTION and perennial UNDER-DEVELOPMENT of the society. This is very evident when one compares our still PRIMITIVE African societies to those oyinbo places we are fleeing to.

obioraval: can I volunteer with you and your company... Experience sake. Young graduate engineer

Very good initiative..... I hope Oga Adanny will consider it very well.
Wish you all the best.

salaksmana: This reminds me of the FG-NASENI project that the state tagged O'POWER.

Aregberascal claiming Jonathan's work for himself since 2010, including

- the "free" train services
- rehabilitation of Osogbo railway station for N 1 billion

Walelavender: This is mere political stunts. I don't see Ribadu joining PDP. The reason being obvious. The PDP led government has soiled it hands so much that they can't help it anymore than start 'washing' it off by inviting people with astute and credible records to save their face. However, since Nigerian politicians are the most unstable in the world and without viable ideologies (still subject to research), any move may not be astonishing.

Why are you being so incoherent
If RibaduN is really someone "with astute and credible records" why will he be involved in "any move may not be astonishing"?
It is either he is astute & credible or he is NOT

dav2yele: May God help us in this country

How do you mean?
How will God help us?
By coming down from heaven or how exactly
Was that how he helped the oyinbo people too

Lest I forget, was it God whu put us in the mess or did we put ourselves in it?

adanny01: Guys face it, those were illegal employments. Such employments were never ratified by the ministry of power so would not be recognised. The guidelines of employment would have involved making a public vacancy advert on media and a public interview held which was never done in the past 16years.

I also know someone that was employed by PHCN with 3rd class 3yrs ago and has even attended FAT in several countries, something his seniors who have been there never got the opportunity to go. He went for his first FAT 3months after employment, imagine that. My uncle retired last year as an AGM in human resource department but could not give even me as an engineer employment for more than 10years he has been AGM. Na only back door them they do am and him no be that type. Ask those your people, one powerful person gave them jobs. Besides, they have to replace someone, so its either a person died, retired or changed job before he can be replaced. Even such were illegal but they were doing it.

No be today ojoro start for this country o!

Thanks for the clarification.
True talk our country don worwor e don tey!

PhockPhockMan: That map is that of 1963 - 1967. We're talking about 1999 till date.

My dear that was the starting point before Nzeogwu's erroneous coup that opened the floodgate since 1966 for our Born-to-Rule fellow compatriots to smartly create 19 states plus the FCT out of their one region while the three regions in the south produced only 17 states.
Then we also had regional autonomy of sorts with TRUE fiscal federalism as regions RECEIVED their own revenue and contributed to the federal purse, which has now been reversed since Ironsi's UNITARY nation
Not so

ephemm: If PDP truly want him, why not woo him to get Presidential Ticket in 2015 elections. Gubernatorial ticket is too small for Ribadu's status

Please tell us what is RibaduN's status

PhockPhockMan: So, North West, North East, and North Central amount to one region abi?
Hmmmm.

No need to argue, please see below:


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Nigeria_1963-1967.png