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manmustwac: Our Senators should stopping running to England anytime they catch a cold & do more to improve their own hospitals in their oen country

Is it ONLY our honourable SINators going to London for surgery and other sundry treatments

DeCleff: Only an ignorant fool like u will disagree wit the fact that Ameachi is the man behind the improvement in Rivers state.

Apart from d endless work on d east-west road, can u mention one more project GEJ did in Rivers state except trying to cripple rivers economy

Why is it difficult for those saying it is all Amaechi's projects to simply list them as requested by several posters

^^^
The simple issue is we Africans are not ready to make the LONG TERM sacrifice NECESSARY for our socio-economic progress talk less of others.
Meanwhile we understand and practise FASTING usually for IMMEDIATE, short term personal spiritual and worldly success but fail to apply the same principle in the REAL world.
The Asians understand it and are disciplined enough for the LONG HAUL, which determines individual & COLLECTIVE success.

BTW, your signature says a lot about what you are writing- blame others but never ourselves.

jay bee: Knowledge is not necessarily power so far as Nigeria is concerned. Majority of Nigerians are educated buy yet what exactly have they done with the knowledge acquired?

You miss the point ENTIRELY.
Knowledge is very different from education.
Very different.
The FEW (as a % of the total) Nigerians who are educated (and usually not very knowledgeable) are USUALLY more keen to keep their fellow compatriots uneducated so they can continue to be one-eyed kings of blind men. That is what is referred to in yoruba as:

O fe kale bi oba idun - spread out like a king of maggots.

It does not change the FACT that these BIG men, selfish LEADERS are SMALL men in the presence of their AVERAGE white or yellow (Asian) fellow homo sapiens!!!

^^^
Do you know of any African nation forced to take aid
Why is the story of China, South Korea, India and other South East Asian countries who were also colonised so different?

The black entrepreneur will have a much greater chance to succeed if there is a critical mass of black people who are

* educated,
** have discipline and
*** good morals from effective parenting

to obtain and retain socio-economic success.
I hope that is something you can understand.

jay bee: bla bla bla bla
What are you/we going to do about it?
How do we effect change?

Ranting on the internet wouldn't get us anywhere so long as there are still people out there more than willing to take up the challenge.

Have you heard that as a man thinks so he is
How are your thoughts shaped if not by knowledge?
Have you not heard the religious saying:

My people die for lack of knowledge!

Knowledge based on your background, experience, what you read (e.g. from the internet) and the imagination that is enhanced as a result?
Why don't you go and read how Europe transited from the Dark Ages to Renaissance to understand what reading and greater acquisition of knowledge by a critical mass of the population can do for effecting change
A similar thing is happening in the Middle East and North Africa as we speak- the Arab Spring!

lorretta u: Who turns around to start sceaming 'W*hore' ?isn't the men?
Do you people even have any atom of conscience? I guess not.
Always thinking with ur dycks.

I don't think it is really about conscience.
It is more about not having SENSE and having a very low SELF-ESTEEM covered up with abuse of power and se'xual harassment.
The behaviour of SUCH men is no different from those who use religion (Christians, Muslims, traditionalists) to marry under-aged girls by telling their followers holy lies to intimidate and harass everyone into submission of bondage!

Any man who has any sense and an iota of self-esteem does not need to intimidate or harass before he dates a WOMAN.

anonimi: Bill Cosby has been promoting education and good parenting among blacks- the pillars for enduring individual and group success.

Also from the internet, available to anyone who seeks to be INFORMED:

Socioeconomic views

In May 2004 after receiving an award at the celebration of the 50th Anniversary commemoration of the Brown v. Board of Education ruling - a ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court that outlawed school racial segregation in schools - Cosby made public remarks critical of African Americans who put higher priorities on sports, fashion, and "acting hard" than on education, self-respect, and self-improvement, pleading for African-American families to educate their children on the many different aspects of American culture.

In the "Pound Cake" speech, Cosby, who holds a doctorate in education, asked that African-American parents teach their children better morals at a younger age. Cosby told the Washington Times, "Parenting needs to come to the forefront. If you need help and you don't know how to parent, we want to be able to reach out and touch" (DeBose, Brian).[page needed] Richard Leiby of The Washington Post reported, "Bill Cosby was anything but politically correct in his remarks Monday night at a Constitution Hall bash commemorating the 50th anniversary of the Brown v. Board of Education decision."[21]

Cosby again came under sharp criticism and was again largely unapologetic for his stance when he made similar remarks during a speech in a July 1 meeting commemorating the anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education. During that speech, he admonished apathetic blacks for not assisting or concerning themselves with the individuals who are involved with crime or have counter-productive aspirations. He further described those who needed attention as blacks who “had forgotten the sacrifices of those in the Civil Rights Movement." [22] The speech was featured in the documentary 500 Years Later, which set the speech to cartoon visuals.[citation needed]

Georgetown University sociology professor Michael Eric Dyson wrote a book in 2005 entitled Is Bill Cosby Right or Is the Black Middle Class Out of Touch?[23] In the book, Dyson wrote that Cosby was overlooking larger social factors that reinforce poverty and associated crime; factors such as deteriorating schools, stagnating wages, dramatic shifts in the economy, offshoring and downsizing, chronic underemployment, and job and capital flight.[24] Dyson suggested Cosby's comments "betray classist, elitist viewpoints rooted in generational warfare."[23]

Cornel West defended Cosby and his remarks, saying, "he's speaking out of great compassion and trying to get folk to get on the right track, 'cause we've got some brothers and sisters who are not doing the right things, just like in times in our own lives, we don't do the right thing... He is trying to speak honestly and freely and lovingly, and I think that's a very positive thing."[25]

In a 2008 interview, Cosby mentioned Atlanta, Georgia; Chicago, Illinois; Detroit, Michigan; Oakland, California; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Springfield, Massachusetts, among the cities where crime was high and young African-American men were being murdered and jailed in disproportionate numbers. Cosby stood his ground against criticism and affirmed that African-American parents were continuing to fail to inculcate proper standards of moral behavior.[26] Cosby still lectures to black communities (usually at churches) about his frustrations with certain problems prevalent in underprivileged urban communities, such as in illegal drugs; teenage pregnancy; Black Entertainment Television; high-school dropouts; anti-intellectualism; gangsta rap; vulgarity; thievery; offensive clothing; vanity; parental alienation; single-parenting; and failing to live up to the ideals of Frederick Douglass, Martin Luther King, Jr., and African-Americans who preceded Generation X.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cosby#Humanitarian_causes

Serena Inaugurates Second Kenyan School

MAKUENI, Kenya - Just over a year after visiting Kenya to open the Serena Williams Secondary School in Matooni, Kenya, Serena Williams returned to the country to follow up on her humanitarian efforts. Williams arrived on February 22 for a three day charity mission where she will inaugurate the Wee Secondary School in Makueni, Eastern Province, Kenya.

The new school lies roughly 50 kilometers from the first one. While in the country, Williams will follow up on the progress of the Matooni school and will hold a tennis teaching session with the students at both schools.

More from:
http://origin-www.wtatennis.com/page/OffCourtNews/Read/0,,12781~1974908,00.html

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anonimi: Or that Serena Williams has built some three schools in Kenya?

From somewhere on the internet that is available to all who seek information:

Serena Williams Plans Third School in Kenya

Already involved in the building of two schools for underprivileged children in the poor country, the tennis ace wants another one erected next year

Tennis ace Serena Williams is stepping up her charitable efforts in Kenya - she is planning to build a third school for underprivileged children. The 28 year old tennis champion became involved in a school-building mission in Matooni, a three-hour drive from the capital of Nairobi, after she rose to fame - and now she calls the project "the best thing" she's ever done.

She has already built two schools in the area - where civilians don't have access to running water - and Williams has vowed to build another learning establishment by next year. She tells America's Hamptons magazine, "It was the best thing I've ever done. I always said winning all those Grand Slams was a dream, but when I opened my school in Kenya, that was the best feeling in the world because I was helping people who had almost nothing."

Read more: http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/w0005892.html#ixzz2h1QbF1PE

cap28: This fact is even more glaring in the case of rich black americans - this is why the likes of Oprah, Cosby, Jay Z, P Diddy and all other black americans who are in the $100million dollar net worth club NEVER EVER DO ANYTHING FOR BLACKS, NEVER SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE RACIST SYSTEM THAT STILL ABUSES AND EXPLOITS BLACKS AND NEVER EVER IDENTIFIES WITH ANY CAUSE WHICH ADVOCATES ECONOMIC OR POLITICAL EMPOWERMENT OF BLACK PEOPLE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.

I wonder what your real problem is to make you spew out pure lies against others.
Was it not just a few days ago we read, right here on NL, about P.Diddy giving $250k to encourage teen entrepreneurs and a Nigerian-American was one of the two winners of the 25k prize

https://www.nairaland.com/1466549/p.diddy-donates-250k-nigerian-student

Are you unaware of the girls LEADERSHIP academy/school Oprah built in South Africa?

https://www.nairaland.com/1436498/oprah-winfrey-leadership-academy-girls#18071585

Or that Serena Williams has built two schools and is planning a third one in Kenya?

http://www.theswf.org/aboutus.htm


Bill Cosby has been promoting education and good parenting among blacks- the pillars for enduring individual and group success.

Most wealthy black Amerricans are now engaged in MEANINGFUL philantropic activities. This is different from the dash money that our Nigerian "philantropists" do only to get favours from their people in order to scam them even more.
Probably that is what you are whining about.That has not helped and will not help us.

It is ALWAYS better to teach a man how to fish than to dash him fish every now & then.

Teenzy: I learnt dat the more we give,the more we receive...God gives seed 2 the sower and He multiplies the seed sown.(we have 2 sow more to reap bountifully)....We must sow into the spirit(giving,having quality time with God,rendering our services to him in our various church groups) and not into the flesh leading to corruption which is all vanity b4 God...

Please can you provide just one bible passage where Jesus Christ told his followers to sow/give to the church (which is equivalent to synagogue in his days)

It is good to realise that more Nigerians are realising Tinubu for what he really is- a DEMAGOGUE who knows how to make (what may appear to the gullible folks as the right) NOISE every time without any concrete, meaningful action for the benefit of his fellow citizens.
That way he can ensure his fellow compatriots remain blind mumus that he can selfishly ride over with the diversion his noise creates that makes debating & addressing real issues of development difficult.
The Asiwaju of Area Boys definitely knows how to whip up the sentiments of his sheepish followers.

Meanwhile GEJ despite not being a man with fine oratory talent for noise making is slowly and steadily addressing the socio-economic development issues that have plagued and bogged down Nigeria for the past five decades not minding the deliberate politico-religious TERRORIST distraction of the born-to-rule cattle breeders and their few southern bu'm suckers.

efemty001: it not all about the denomination. its all about how much value it worth to you. if i got 10 Naira in my pocket. am ganna give out 5 Naira as offering..... so you think if Dangote comes to ya church and he gave out 10 million naira as offering, my own 5 Naira might still worth of great value to God than Dangote 10 million naira. so my fellow people make we no dey bobo ourself..... do ur tin in ur own way dat pleases God. may God help us...

Exactly what Jesus Christ demonstrated in this passage:

Mark 12
The Widow's Offering
41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Mark+12&ver=kjv

The same story is told in Luke 21.

Sir Quency: "when you become too busy for the word,you get the worst in life" pstr Paul Enenche

That seems not to apply to the people of China, India and other East Asian countries, millions of whom have been lifted out of crunching poverty to midlle class comfort and high class luxury.
Don't you think so

The word of God is light,wil build you up and give you an inheritance.Do what the word says and frame your world with it.
Friends,you cant seperate God 4rm His word,His word can addres your health chalenges and well being. 3jn:2 above all i wish u prosper n be in health....and a host of others.

Do you know why Apostle Paul was afflicted all his life despite his remarkable work to spread the gospel and this "promise" that you quoted above

When will more of our rich folks emulate such good gesture, rather tahn waiting for others to help us out of our COLLECTIVE poverty and misery

Because the church has derailed from the purpose of Christ in establishing it.
Those who are intested, should read the four gospels- Matthew, Mark, Luke & John as well as the Acts of Apostles to understand how they have derailed.
You may also want to go through the history of Nigeria's evangelisation by missionaries who left their comfortable European societies to come here, establishing primary & secondary schools, health clinics, hospitals etc to help us break the socio-cultural (disguised as religious) myths that held us hostage till then.

One may also wish to note that Europe was also very backward, just as we are presently, until the Reformation linked to greater reading and understanding of the scriptures by the masses instead of distortions and outrigjht lies by then religious leaders.

yabadabado: IN Short ............................. THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD AND JESUS HIS SON DIED FOR YOU & YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN TO MAKE HEAVEN

How do you explain that Abraham (Ibrahim to muslims) is in heaven as per the parable of the rich & poor men who died by Jesus
Was Abraham born again?
Did Jesus also die for him?

Mayany: I learnt how to be Obedient to God's Laws and words and neva to be a disobedient child of God

I hope it includes obeying the law that you cannot love God whom you do not see IF you do not love your brother/neighbour whom you see:

1 John 4:
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=1+john+4&ver=kjv

It should be pretty obvious to any casual observer that many christians in Nigeria (and Africa) do not know and/or understand this commandment hence the growth of church attendance but declining morality, societal values and subsequently socio-economic failure .

This has led (and continues to lead) to massive exodus of those who have the chance, to foreign lands where they appreciate this commandment, as EXILES.

abbeymighty: dont black mail this drivers they dont collect money frm these people, what they do is they make them to buy ticket for there loads. also most of these people are ibo guys that buys mrket in lagos island to sell in their various location

Are you for real?
How can you be so blind by your useless TRIBALISM to not see that only women were in the BRT bus

I hope the MODs will sanction you appropriately!

clefstone: Violence is not in a blackman's gene. Its all about cause/effect. Wen u segregate a minority section of a population based on their skin color for so long, leaving them wit no sense responsibility nd importance, they become careless nd ignore certain consequence (a notin to lose attitude). The black people ova thr r living the script written by the white man's ignorantly wicked hearts many years ago

I will like to respectfully disagree with you.
We can't keep blaimng others for how we behave. No we cannot.
It is rather more about how far we have evolved as a group of human beings and what our values are on the continuous spectrum with individuality at one end and societal concerns at the other extreme.
Why are many ethnic groups and countries in Africa still very violent just as the whites were up to some 70 years ago (end of WW2)
Why do you think our ancestors who were trading their kiths and kins as slaves to the whites wrote & protested to the white people to protest the prohibition of slave trade? And that includes the renowned slave trader, Madam Tinubu of Lagos & Abeokuta!

jljunayd: ....dats is it,no matter how hard it is,whats gona be is gona be,look at d story obsanjo and most of dos past presidents, look at dr struggles,what am saying is,even if u're from america,it doesnt mean dats d place u'll make it,whites work here too,jah knws,just be positive,work hard,pray,be smart and make use of of ur opportunities....singing sound sultan.....king of my country lols

"OBJoke and dos past presidents" are the worst ROLE MODELS you can cite for anyone to stay back in Nigeria.
Are they not the reason why our country is the hell hole it is and almost everyone is trying to get out even if it means risking death across the sahara desert or in some sinking canoe on the mediterenean sea.

Part of the reason for the illusion of America is that we value just being rich on our own instead of valuing the impact we have on others and our society in terms of contributing to its enduring growth & socio-economic development.
Personal wealth should be a means to an end- of positively and durably impacting others.
Is this not the main difference between our society and theirs where we run to

speedyboi: Part of the reasons I hate Nigerians! They will abuse anything!

"THEY" because you are not a Nigerian

If Fashola didn't give you BRT now.....People will be shouting 'Nigeria Government is this and that', 'People don't use Molue in "advanced" countries' etc....Now them give you world standard BRT, your dumb brains still no fit handle am ...You turn am to Molue. Mcheew..Na una sabi jare!

You seem not to understand civic education 101.
Fashola did not give anyone any BRT. He is simply doing his job as ELECTED governor of Lagos STATE to the residents. May I remind you that he is paid very well to do that job
Is that how you "give" your employers service for which you are paid each month? Or maybe if you are a business man, is that how your workers feel they are giving you service and you still pay them salaries?

bootlegaz: Education! Education!! Education!!!
A neurosurgeon who hails from Anambra state is regarded as the best in his filled in my city. White folks worship him and would only allow him do surgical operation in their brain. He was born poor, his parents could not afford him a school uniform while in secondary school, today he own Horses, live in a ranch and visit Anambra in a chartered flight.

I hope this success story neurosurgeon is giving back to his Anambra folks just as the white folks would do.
That is the way to make Anambra as good as America with abundant opportunities for the people to be educated irrespective how poor they were born.
I am sure the scholarship he received was from donations by sundry Americans who understand that:

No man is an island

One rich man among six poor ones, all seven of them are poor.

manny4life: Abeg yall should just drop it..

If you want to come to the U.S., come na and enjoy your time...

I guess you understand the issues here....
But for those who may be confounded, this discussion reminds me of a line from Bob Marley's song, Rat Race:

In the abundance of water the fool is thirsty.

Quite a number of the people who are STUCK as socio-economic EXILES in the US, but pride themselves as diasporans, would be better off in Nigeria with our vast opportunities if they apply the same effort despite the challenges in our environment.
The case of Majek Fashek comes to mind here. Hopefully his increasingly frequent return to base may help to stabilise him and re-ignite his creativity for enduring commercial success.
Just to be clear, this is is not applicable to ALL the Nigerian immigrants in the US.

Tinyemeka: The "glossed up" images I am aware of, are the flashy cars, houses and cash being thrown around when those Nigerians come home during holidays. Are they all fake? Aren't there much successful Nigerians in the US?
And must you be born there or have parents wealthy enough to sponsor you to Ivy League colleges before you can really make it there?

The issue is that word I highlighted- ALL.
He has not said all the glossed up images are fake. In fact if I remember correctly in his first few posts he talked about a couple (his relations) who are both doctors and have clinics in Nigeria apart from their work in the US.
The core of his thread is that there are quite a number of deceptions in the US for Nigerian immigrants that those who are YET to embark on the adventure need to be FULLY aware of.

babyosisi: And see what in DC ?
Majority of homeless people on the streets of down town America are drug addicts and chronic alcoholics
That is a fact
Majority of the ones in LA are runaways drawn to the lure of Hollywood
There are homeless shelters in America and some stay there and those who can't abide the rules of keeping off drugs cannot stay
Paint the real picture please.
The Nigerians looking to emigrate are usually college graduates not drug addicts and drunks
So telling them about homeless americans without showing them that majority of Nigerians here are doing well is being deceptive
That is what many are trying to get across
You are peddling lies and half truths

He is definitely NOT peddling lies!
However I might GRUDGINLY agree with you that he is peddling half truths to the extent that he cannot tell the complete story of American prospects for Nigerians.
That is not his duty nor his choice.
There are many other sources with the stories of "majority of Nigerians" doing well in the US.
To each his vocation/calling.
It is up to inquisitive readers to search widely and form an INFORMED, BALANCED opinion of what their options are.

Tinyemeka: However, @Ozo Emeka, I must admit that if your intent was to show the true picture of things in the US, then your attempt was a biased one. The opening pages of this thread were filled with pictures of ghettos and the severe gaps between the affluent and the homeless, obviously living side by side.
You said the US is not all about gloom and doom.
Where are the success stories? The happy pictures (and I am not talking literarily)?

Where is the balance you talk about?

He has chosen to mainly present the gloomy side to balance out the "success stories" and "happy pictures" that many others have chosen to present.
Hope you see the balance that he provides to the overall discussion about American prospects for a Nigerian

Tinyemeka: There is. Balance you say. So there has to be a the good and the not good side.

Are you trying to recant?

He does not need to recant and I believe he has replied that he is not recanting.

The OP is clear about his objective with this thread- balance out the GLOSSED UP, LARGELY UNREALISTIC image of America that is held by most Nigerians. He has achieved that objective and many wise people who have followed the thread are very grateful for the PATRIOTIC service he has rendered to his fellow Nigerians without being obliged to do so.
Many who think in the SIMPLEX mode and need to be spoon-fed everything like babies will not (or refuse) to understand and benefit from the expose.

Once again thanks to the OP for what obviously is the manifestation of his labour of love.

manny4life: Meaning what I said.

In another word, no matter how much gold you put on a pig, it will NEVER, remain clean, it will always go back to dirt.

Also meaning,

You can take the girl out of the hood (Fashola has provided clean buses for Lagosians to use), but you cannot take the hood out of the girl (Lagosians will ALWAYS act same way, defeating the purpose). Shey you understand now?

And that is where education comes in.
Education for the whole society over a long CONTINUOUS period of many decades!!! That is what China did and continues to do.
I mean QUALITY and WHOLESOME education for ALL children that is free and COMPULSORY.
The type that produces citizens who are

- inquisitive
- creative
- conscious of their INDIVIDUAL role in the SOCIETAL scheme of things.

Awolowo and the five UPN governors did that 60 and 30 years ago respectively, which should have been revived and PROGRESSED unlike the TOUCH & GO noise making propaganda gimmicks of the ACN goons with their Opon Ofo and laptops for a handful of students.

emiye: Apart from thisday, as you said, other top dailies like punch, the nation, dailyindependent, the will e.t.c carried the news, and the NATIONAL BUREAU OF STATISTICS that was referenced by wikipedia has not come out to debunk the claims.

http://www.punchng.com/news/osun-tops-primary-school-enrolment-bureau/

http://thenationonlineng.net/new/osun-leads-in-nigerias-school-enrolment/

http://thewillnigeria.com/news/osun-leads-in-nigerias-school-enrolment/

http://dailyindependentnig.com/2012/12/aregbesolas-midas-touch-on-primary-school-pupils/.


All you dolts will continue to do is to rant, and in some few years, Osun will be a reference point in education standard.

You obviously don't know when to give up after you have been caught out in YOUR cheap lies and propaganda.
Hereunder is the web site link for the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS)

http://www.nigerianstat.gov.ng/

quoted in YOUR unverified and unavailable Wikipedia source for the junk journalism you posted earlier.

Show us on the NBS web site the report stating Osun is leading in school enrolment for children at 80%
Insults and abuses won't scare us from asking YOU to SUBSTANTIATE YOUR propaganda stories.

This is what you get when you think governance is simply about PHYSICAL development and many of your mumu electorate praise you to high heavens for launching "projects" left, right and centre while you refuse to focus on EDUCATION of children, which is the foundation for a developed society.

How many children in Lagos STATE are out of school
What % of Lagos STATE children are enrolled in free government schools?
What is the ratio of teacher:students in such giovernment schools?
What about the quality of MAINTENANCE for common facilities- toilets, green spaces, classrooms, libraries, cafeterias etc- in such schools?
Are the children taught civic education and rules of good behaviour in society etc