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SmoothCrim: In the end the next step for Africa is to solve the problems between regions. For example the ECOWAS region should resolve its issues, the Arab Maghreb Union should resolve it's issues, the East African community etc etc. When these regions get strong then, you can start trading between regions for the benefit. In reality there is no such thing as Sub-Saharan Africa and within this fake region are numerous regions. The next step for Africa once again is strengthening sub regions in order to bring real development. Now, the sub-regions have issues like problems that exist between Algeria and Morocco and even Nigeria and Ghana to a lesser extent. Thus, if not done properly everything could be back to step one.

The first part is what I always have been saying for awhile now(other thread)
I wonder who started this sub-saharan africa and north africa actually?

shymmex: Thank you!!

Sub-Saharan African is a fallacy - just as Middle-East, where they also have the gulf region..

Every country in Africa is different... We've francophone west africa that don't really care about ECOWAS because they're France's proxies.. North Africa is also divided, and the same goes for both East and Southern African countries...

True francophone and English speaking west african countries don't really see each other eye to eye

shymmex: The write-up should be thrown in the trash can..

Countries in Africa and around the world will always to do business with whoever they feel like doing business with...

Sudan is in "Sub-Saharan" Africa - yet they are more inclined towards Middle-East...

Algeria/Old Libya/Western Sahara/Cape Verde are in North Africa - yet they're more inclined towards the rest of Africa...

These pseudo-intellectuals just write crap just to continue their divide and conquer tactics against a continent working towards integration...

The new AU is all about integration around the continent - and Algeria played a big role in that by donating a $10billion towards the creation of ADB..

LOL

you are right Sudan leans toward the middle east then sub-saharan africa but isn't that the biggest reason for the war there that cause the country to split because the oppressors which were in the north and muslim were more middle eastern inclined while the south of Sudan was more christian and black african. The darfur drama that happened there was sad

shymmex: Nigerian
Caribbean
African American
Ghanaian
Ethiopian

Nice list, I have tried Ghanian, African American, and Ethiopian as well to, not my top 5 though

SmoothCrim: Yes there is. It is more of an economic divide than anything else though. Specifically the countries that directly border North African countries are a lot poorer than the North African countries thus, in order to not get overrun by the Africans to the south SOME people have had to become xenophobic. The same as the divide between Mexico and the USA. In the end you should seperate the common person on the street from those who are more educated or at least more worldly. I don't think the divide is that great and any divide is more economics than anything else. In the end I believe that there is not more trade due to poverty in both regions but, with more growth that will change.

well you have some points, economics is a big factor but the xenophobic feeling you said north Africans have I feel maybe due to race to a extent as well

SmoothCrim: The relationships between North Africa and countries in Africa is not that bad. Every country should be viewed individually. For example, Ghana has a good relationship with Egypt dating back over 50 years. Had a decent relationship with Libya until Gaddafi was overthrown now who knows... Only a minor relationship with Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia. In the end North Africa like the rest of Africa has major developmental issues also. Nigeria gets 90 percent of its revenue from Oil, Algeria 95. Libya and even Egypt are today destabilized and failing states. In the end the lack of a stronger relationship is more due to economic problems in both regions. A quick look at the failed states index will prove that all regions in Africa are still struggling.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/failed_states_index_2012_interactive

In the end as, as the economic situation continues to improve the relationship will become more useful. Right now the relationship is not bad but, economical issues prevent it from developing.

I agree every African country should be judged individually and I am not saying the there is a extreme divide between the regions like it is like how it is between Haiti and Dominica Republic but we can't deny that there is silent divide among the two regions, which I feel has alot to with many factors beside Sahara desert environmental divide.

The only connection I see between two regions is economy wise, which has been happening already but besides that we are so different to a extent

[quote author=~Royal~]Why would North Africans even Bother wasting time doing business with sub saharan Africans?

More importantly why should any african feel they are inclined to do such?

I specifically recall you(anonymous6) writing the following, "i Don't consider north african's to be african"

Their is a Divide between the two regions for obvious reasons.

Let's be honest, They hate each other.
[/quote]It is true, I still don't really consider north Africans to be African except for the fact that they are on the continent themselves, they are middle eastern in every way as Far as I am concerned, many of them mind you don't even consider themselves African.

lastly I agree with you on the part that why should their be inclined to do so especially on the sub-saharan African side


[quote author=~Royal~]

No they wouldn't pure dream world.

Northern Sudan and Southern Sudan can't even get along, yet people expect the entire north of the continent to get along with "black" africa(SS)

Final Fantasy Land

(SS) would get the short end of the financial stick anyway....Just look at how China is ripping off the Congo,

Hilarious. Trading Natural Resources for "Architecture"

I am curious OP, do you believe the 2 should work together?

If so, why now? ...They have become conveniently "African" once the possibility of economic growth may be plausible.

If i were North Africa, i would just Rob them like the rest of the world is doing...

Makes no sense for them to settle for less when the European countries and china are getting gains 9 over 1[/quote]I agree with you a 100%, to answer your question no I don't think north Africa and sub-saharan Africa should really work together, maybe in a ideal world that would be nice but in reality north africa would gain and sub-Saharan Africa would lose because many north africans look down on sub-saharan africans, don't want to be called african and inline themselves with the middle east more then the rest of Africa many years ago, Did you hear what they did to muslim black africans in libya when they were fighting Gaddafi, cutting their heads and etc. maybe if North Africa changes their attitudes in regards to this I see it as possible

What has happened is nobodoy thinks of north Africa when it comes to Africa problems(many North Africans are getting irritated by that from what I heard), and many sub-Saharan Africans treat them like they don't exist or even consider them when it comes to Africa.

Interesting, I knew of Balotelli history but some of this info I didn't know; nice picture of the family

it can be any culture but it has to be a afro-black culture or black cultural influence

for me it is:
1. Nigerian
2. Liberian/Sierrea leonean
3. Jamaican
4. Haitian
5. Black Hispanics

I read snip its of this and I do believe their is a divide between the 2 regions for many reasons but what do Nigerians or other Africans think about this?

"North- and sub-Saharan Africa are considered by the global business community and by economists to represent two of the most important growth engines of the global economy. However in the last decades these two parts of the African continent have been pursuing their economical development in very independent and non-correlated manners. On one side North-Africa has been exclusively focusing on economic and business relationships with Europe and the Middle East. One the other side sub-Saharan Africa has been following many paths with the US, Europe, China, and India but not with their neighbors in the northern part of the continent.

Nevertheless more and more voices are calling for more integration between both parts of the continent as they bring different assets and arguments to the table. Both North-Africa and sub-Saharan Africa would benefit from bridging the economical and business North-Sub-Saharan divide. "
http://www.hbsafricaconference.com/RTAI_intergrating_north_and_sub_saharan_africa.php

The Unstable bridge between North and Sub-Saharan Africa
http://books.google.com/books?id=k_mPviQK11YC&pg=PA183&lpg=PA183&dq=the+divide+between+north+and+sub-saharan+africa&source=bl&ots=qpgh_4sPRI&sig=boKYEypAirX30PH2k0QX5dUVbxA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=uVn8T8DPHaTD6wHao7DbBg&ved=0CFUQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=the%20divide%20between%20north%20and%20sub-saharan%20africa&f=false

bokohalal: No,I do not get it.You are even more unconvincing.
Homework time.Go find out where the mythical Abraham came from and apply it to your faulty analogy.Get it?

At this point you and me have to agree to disagree, my post was not meant for a argument or a debate but what I believe, end of story.

dandoki: If she does not fall in that stereotype she would not have needed a make over before her wedding. Thank you America for giving us a true picture of Kate Middleton. I think I'll keep the snap shot!

LOL

michelin89: Done!

Thank you

onila: kofi annan daughter married a nigerian

i know many other high class ghanaians who r married 2 nigerian men

That is because kofi Annans daughter is half Nigerian, her mother is yoruba Nigerian; Kofi annan's first wife was a nigerian and second wife is white

"Ama Annan the 1st daughter of former United Nations Secretary General (1997 to 2006)-Mr Kofi Annan- who was a 2001 recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, has decided to take a plunge into marital hood and her husband to be is Adepoju Adedeji, the France based son of Professor Adebayo Adedeji, the Executive Director of the African Center for Development & Strategic Studies (ACDESS), just like Ama's dad the Professor was formerly with the United Nations.

Ama-42 is the elder sister of Kojo Annan-38, and both are Kofi Annan's children from his 1st wife-Titilola Alakija, whom he married in 1965 and divorced in the early 80's,Ama is a certified Financial Analyst & a graduate of the venerable London School of Economics and the New York Institute of Finance. She is the Managing Director of Mid-Ocean Shipping Company."
http://showbiz.peacefmonline.com/news/201110/72170.php

"NEWS-ONE gathered that Ama Annan has a Nigerian mother by name Titilola Alakija, Kofi Annan’s ex-wife."
http://showbiz.peacefmonline.com/news/201110/72298.php

"In 1965 Kofi Annan married Titi Alakija, a Nigerian woman from a well-to-do family. Several years later they had a daughter Ama and later a son Kojo. The couple separated in the late seventies. In 1981 Annan fell in love with Nane Lagergren an accomplished lawyer working at the U.N"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kofi_Annan#Personal_Life

So kofi Annan's daughter is half Nigerian, so I wouldn't count her because she will have a nigerian influence in her because of her mother

[quote author=Sisi_Kill]Lmao!! It's not that far fetched naa!

Britons are known for their errr. . . less than perfect teeth.

I don't understand how that is. . .don't they have free dental?

Oh and I doubt Americans will take offense to being portrayed as obese burger eating fatsos. . . they don't take offense to the truth. [/quote]LOL, it is true that stereotype with teeth and Britons is nothing new but I guess since they did it to Kate who doesn't fall in that stereotype, there is outrage; I guess they felt it was a joke but turned to be the reverse

interesting

it is just a picture between both of them, nothing more

[b]"Kate Middleton is admired around the globe for her beauty and elegance, so Britons aren't taking kindly to the July 12, 2012 cover of the U.S.-based New Republic magazine that features their beloved Duchess with yellowed, decaying teeth. The unflatteringly retouched photo superimposes the 30-year-old onto a frayed Union Jack along with the headline, "Something's Rotten. The Last Days of Britain." The special issue, published in the run up to the London Olympics, contains a number of articles on England's decline, including a critique of British soccer.

Reactions from across the pond have ranged from anger over Catherine's ugly image to disgust with Americans' stereotype of the English as all having brown, crooked teeth.

"Cheap shot," wrote a reader of the Daily Mail. "They know she will remain dignified and not say a word, allowing them to 'get away with it.'"

"No fan of the royals or Kate either, but its a shameful abuse of photoshop taking very cheap and nasty shot at the royals, Kate and Brits in general. I agree with the person who said they should be sued," chimed in another.

"Typical misguided stereotype that Americans hold of us in Britain. In the first week that I visited the USA, I was genuinely asked, 'Do all you Brits have crooked teeth?' Mine aren't and none of my friends have crooked teeth. Silly stereotype."

A Mirror reader wrote: "Now how would Americans like it if our political magazines featured obese burger-munching Americans on its front cover? They'd be the first to complain."
However, not everyone is taking offense. "I prefer the photo shopped picture, it makes her look like a 'normal British person,'"
wrote another Mirror reader. "Remember us? We are the ones that really have teeth like that whilst our tax pays for the likes of her to have perfect teeth."
The Daily Mail reports that Middleton did have her teeth straightened and whitened by orthodontist Dr. Didier Fillion before her 2011 wedding to Prince William. Treatments can cost as much as $15,000. It's speculated that she wore hidden braces that closed a gap behind her two front teeth.

The image isn't enough to turn off diehard Duchess fans, though. "It's satire, get over it! I for one think she still looks lovely with rotten teeth," wrote one reader of the Mail. "[/b]
http://shine.yahoo.com/beauty/kate-middleton-pictured-rotten-teeth-outraged-reaction-164700255.html

https://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/2012/07/kate-middleton-cover1.jpg

Ethiopia
[img]http://4.bp..com/_rbbUO-JwfOU/TPIak1pe2lI/AAAAAAAAADY/mxUkUYmYW5Q/s320/TRADITIONAL+CLOTHES.jpg[/img]
https://iac.african-women.org/system/files/gallery/000Berhane_Raswork_traditional_dress.jpg

hello five of my post(page 0 and 1) from the beauty of southwestern Nigerian women have been hidden, a few days ago out of no where when it has been there for months and I never did anything to it, so can you unhidden it please
https://www.nairaland.com/764625/beauty-south-western-nigerian-women

p.s. it is before the Ronke Shonbare, Sade, and Mo'Cheddah post

shymmex: You guys need to separate the people from the royal bloodline..

We're different people.

It is true we are different but there is a common ancestral link between Edo and Yoruba

bokohalal: Nobody is mad. Your last post said they have same paternal lineage.Earlier,however,you were convinced that the Pater was Yoruba. That is the point I want you to educate me about.

Nope my posts are the same from my recent to earlier post, I believe that both groups have the same paternal lineage and that paternal lineage is oduduwa which is yoruba but that doesn't mean Edo are yoruba; they are still different groups in the end of the day. It is the samething with the Jews/Hebrew and Arabs, they both have the same paternal lineage which is Abraham(Hebrew), but in the end of the day they both different groups, you get it now.

anonymous6: well it has been said not only by Yoruba's but Edo's that[b] both groups have the same paternal lineage [/b]that is why we are connected

anonymous6: interesting article but[b] I don't believe Yoruba came from Benin(or Edo) but I do know without a doubt that they come from the same paternal lineage, who [/b]was Yoruba(Oduduwa)

bokohalal: What are you still waiting for? Just tell us how or show where we can find same conviction and be in no doubt ,too.

oh oh somebody is mad, lol

well it has been said not only by Yoruba's but Edo's that both groups have the same paternal lineage that is why we are connected

[quote author=tpia@]i think we need to figure out the purpose of the oranyan staff in ife and what those marks on it stand for.

like i pointed out previously, i feel they are indicators of a journey or kingdoms.

the staff itself possibly functioned as a sundial of sorts.[/quote]Good topic, I feel you should create a brand new forum on that topic, so their would be attention devoted to it

[quote author=tpia@]greek father?

i'm guessing from the name.[/quote]her grandfather is Greek actually from what I have read

not suprised, this tension has been going on for years