₦airaland Forum

shymmex: I know where I'm from, that's why I'm on this forum in the first place, and that's why I read about Nigeria everyday... I know a lot about Nigeria - and even if the country continues to disappoint, I'll never forget my Yoruba heritage... Yoruba is me, and I'm a proud Yoruba guy lol.

Some Jamaicans are like that as well in the UK - but they're the ignorant minority... Most of the ones that I know align with Africa than most Nigerians... you need to see them wear African attire - something many Nigerians are ashamed to do..

Just align yourself with the conscious and enlightened ones, and you'll be fine... The ignorant ones are just as bigoted as the ignorant Nigerians..

understood

all my friends are educated, and been to many countries, not ignorant at all, most are Nigerians, Ghanians, Ethiopian, other African nations, Indians and afro-caribbeans, Europeans; I don't hang out with ignorant and foolish people either.

shymmex: What community?

I've suffered more bigoted bs from freaking Nigerians than Afro-Caribbeans... If they're not calling me Oyinbo, those fools will say I'm not African enough - the same people who have no clue about their own history..

It goes both ways...There are ignorant and myopic people on both sides...

I see myself as an African in diaspora - and all black people are family to me... If I can overcome racism from whites - then bigotry from blacks don't faze me... It's just another day in the world..

I can't even count the number of bigoted bs some people have spewed to me on this damn forum because I'm Yoruba - I've outgrown that bs now lol.

well I must admit Nigerians are not perfect, so I won't dispute that because i have experienced some foolish Nigerians but for me I have been through racism from African Americans and white Americans but I have met nice educative people from both communities but in the end of the day I considered myself Nigerian American or American born Nigerian. I am pretty nuetral with both communities now. I am just saying to watch out, I have seen people get hurt when they forget where they are from or their community

shymmex: I'm already doing that, and we all share the same point of view that the black race must unite...

Anyone against our unity can go jump in the Lagos lagoon... We're young and increasing the network... In 10 years time, we will be older - and the networking and consciousness should have increased by then..

All the docile ones can go meet their masters in Europe - change is definitely coming, and we've learned from the mistakes of our predecessors.

True, lol

p.s. just make sure you don't forget what community you are from? and always make them to the priority

shymmex: You need to watch the Osun festival on youtube...

Osun and Yemaja are the two favourite gods most AAs who practice African spirituality worship.. I can give evidence of AA scholars worshipping yemaja - most do it with the Egyptian MAAT thing...

It also depends on where you live in America..

I have seen blacks in Philly do African gods parade on countless occasions, and a lot of AAs in New York also do... Check Oyotunji village on youtube, I don't know where the village is, but it seems it's in South Carolina..

They also have an Igbo cultural festival thing in virginia.

True, I am not disagreeing with anything you said with this post; each community will be fine in their own way, things take time. Both of us have 2 different ways of pushing back African progress. Non is wrong, their is progress in both ends as far as I am concerned. I feel people like you are the best to extend that to black diasporians, particularly African Americans but to me I want to do with in the black African community

shymmex: They need to do it on a bigger scale like the Festac 77 thing, and make it an annual event..

We've a lot to show case - and they can make it a 7-day event..

With that, Africa diaspora can start having a sense of belonging...

They get more connected to Africa...

I don't know how many times I've heard AAs, Black South Americans, and Afro-Caribbeans talk about Osun and Yemaja - yet most of them don't even know where Nigeria is on the map....

Black unity is possible - but it has be a gradual thing, and we need to start reaching out to them.

I have heard of Black Brazilians and black Caribbeans talk about yemoja and etc not african americans, but heah I am not disputing you

I think we need to reach with each other before reaching to african americans; I feel black Brazilians, afro-caribeans have already built the connection with Africans to a extent already, and it is getting stronger, especially in Ghana, with the reggae movement but I feel Black africans need to make the step forward intially among themselves

shymmex: As we fix our backyard - why can't we build a bridge with them, and make money while doing it?

Tourism.... Selling our culture....... Good relationship

We can get millions of AAs, Black South Americans, and Caribbeans to our shores every year... They want to come, but we are not reaching out to them..

Imagine how much we will make yearly by making Osun/yemaja/slave routes a big international event for blacks in the diaspora?

That's one of the ways we can start the unity.

did I say Nigerians can't do tourism with them, they seem to do it already now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn_BccN8bS4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U1iSSnGKFI

[quote author=Ileke-IdI]Anonymous, you're a NP?
Nice.
I actually thought you were a teen for a while lol. I don't know why.[/quote]Thank you ileki

shymmex: Complain? How long are they going to complain for?

Even the bible said; "the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violence take it by force." Since Nigerians are notorious for being religious, why can't they do what their bibles told them?? Nah, they just sit there and complain everyday like kids.

You have to fight for your freedom - no one will give it to you on a platter of gold.

well Rome wasn't built in a day; and Nigeria has to fix their own backyard first before other peoples backyard

shymmex: I know they don't really like him, but I just pointed what's he doing regarding to reaching out..

The black community in America don't like Bill Cosby as well, but does that make him a bad person?

He was part of those who started the DNA ancestry thing - and he's a very good friend of Prof. Wole Soyinka..

He also said he's of Yoruba ancestry.

of course it doesn't make him a bad person, including Bill Cosby, he is a very educated and good man. I already know about the Bill Cosby fiasco and how his community did to him but what I am trying to tell you is if the majority of his community are treating him, Bill Cosby, Oprah like that, what does that tell you of that community as a whole?

shymmex: we have to agree to disagree on this..

True

shymmex: I'm a politics section of NL first round ballot hall of famer lol..

The coons there are tribal bigots, agent provocateurs, and unintelligent folks...

That's arguably the worst section on NL - bunch of "educated" fools.

well you have some points but I have seen some very good threads that I have read were educated Nigerians have complained, so I wouldn't say they are all fools

shymmex: I know the guy is a little bit twisted by he speaks the truth most of the time...

His own community isn't perfect, and you can't crucify him for saying the truth.

I am not crucifying him but he and Oprah are in the same most in their own community, many in his community don't like him entirely

shymmex: Why can't we do the same since most of the slaves are from present day Nigeria?

Their form of African spirituality is also from present day Nigeria... We should be at the forefront of the cooperation, not Ghana or SA..

because Nigeria doesn't see it as a priority which I don't really say it is wrong though. Despite Ghana doing it citizens of Ghana are not really for it, when it comes to South Africa well it makes sense. they have a connection with black Americans that no other African countries have, but nothing wrong with that

shymmex: From you video - an AA (Henry Louis Gates) was the one finding the connection..

That's another example of them reaching out to us..

yup a african american who has criticize his own community on Oprah

shymmex: When will they start caring?

Boko haram has bombed the shytehole to abyss, and they still don't care..

Corruption has created four wasted generations, yet the still don't care..

They care, if you go to the political section of nairaland, it is northern problem in Nigeria which I feel is due to illiteracy and poverty not black unity

shymmex: White Brazilians don't see themselves as white because most of them have black blood in them.. They're just Brazilians.

True but many of them refuse to admit and refuse to have connection to it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C11gIwOh2xs

shymmex: Nigerians have never seen anything to be a priority of be honest..

Nigerians are just docile, and overly religious people who're just in this world to live and die - not the smartest group of people out there..

A look at the country will tell you all you need to know..

Their aim in life is just to write useless vocabulary, and get gazillion certificates, and shout "do you know who I'm?" everywhere... Bunch of dim-witted coons in a big for nothing shytehole.

I don't think it has anything to do with them being docile, I feel it is that fact they don't care. I remember at the Nigerian church I go to a Nigerian doctor came to ask people for donations for his clinic's and non-profit organization, which was legit many Nigerians gave him money that day because they saw that as important but when a youth from that same church was talking about what you said, it feel on deaf ears, they just weren't as interested.

shymmex: Your clinics won't solve Africa/Nigeria's problems... We need a top-down approach - not a bottom-up approach..

True, I never said it was but at least it is something to show results

shymmex: Brazil is one country with the 2nd largest black population in the world - and it has a healthy economy... We can start with Brazil...

True, but the white Brazilians are benefiting from that

shymmex: We in Europe are African immigrants/2nd generation, and Nigeria/Africa needs to reach out to us as well... Afro beat is creating an awareness now, but we need to do more.

True I agree

shymmex: The African American community also has a high purchasing power, we can exchanging idea, and doing things that can benefit both communities.. We can use use tourism, and new inclination towards African spirituality to reach out to them... many of them are moving towards African spirituality... And we can do the same with the Caribbeans and South Americans of African ancestry...

Ghana and south Africa are already doing that with them

shymmex: But we're also in the same struggle albeit we live in different continents..

Check our position on every social ladder in the world, and we're both at the bottom..

To a extent true, but the reason for it with black Africans vs. black Diasporas are different

I just think people need to accept full scale black unity worldwide is not possible(maybe winning awards or against racism I guess), Black Latinos are a example of people who want nothing to do with being Black.

p.s. have you've noticed that majority of the people commenting in this thread are not Black African, or Nigerian; this should tell you that many Nigerians don't see this as a priority.

shymmex: But you read Eurocentric books, didn't you?

If you read; THE DESTRUCTION OF BLACK CIVILIZATION by Chancellor Williams (An African American) - then you will understand why Europe can never be trusted, and why black people around the world must unite...

The day we unite will be the day the Europeans will leave us alone..

I must admit I never read the book, but solely coming together based on color is not the solution right now as far as I am concerned. each community should start fixing their own problems separately, and if they feel to help other black communities but it shouldn't be forced as I said before. each community has their own mentality in moving forward, which doesn't mean one idea is wrong it just means their are different ways of going by it. I feel their are ways progression can happen with black Africans amongst themselves; Rome wasn't built in a day. This is why I believe in immediate things not a philosophy that isn't really possible. I care more of doing non-profit health care clinics to Nigeria then world wide black unity, it isn't a priority for me.

I have seen many threads like this and ends up the same way as far as I am concerned, Black Africans have a lot of problems don't add to it.

shymmex: This quote answers the reason why we need to unite:

"Black Consciousness is in essence the realization by the black man of the need to rally together with his brothers around the cause of their operation - the blackness of their skin - and to operate as a group in order to rid themselves of the shackles that bind them to perpetual servitude." - Steve Biko

yes I understand but I want black Africans to do that amongst themselves; so they get it on their own or it will look hostile and won't help; Liberia is a very good example of that

shymmex: I'm from the Steve Biko philosophy, not the Black Hebrew, nor Rasta... I'm not a black Jew, neither is Ethiopia my promise land..

My philosophy is solving African problems with an African mind.

That's my Afrocentrism.

Now you and me are in the same page or going some where

shymmex: I have parents who taught the culture, and I also speak Yoruba fluently... But they never taught everything I need to know about my history... They never taught me everything about Oyo Empire, Benin Empire, Igbokwu, Nok, Kanem, Ghana Empire, Songhay, Dahomey, Timbuktu, Kemet, Nubia, Kush, Great Zimbabwe etc..

Those were self-taught.. and that's my history..

European taught me about how to meet the status quo in his world (We live in a Western Era), and I appreciate him for that because it's a whiteman's world at the moment..

But I'll never let him teach me my history.

the same with me my parents are yoruba, I can cook the foods, understand the language but not the best speaker because of my accent; My parents told me about the Oyo empire and I learned more on my own to the nok, Mali, ashanit(ghana), Nubia, great Zimbabwe.

That is good I had to teach myself to

I never had a european teach my history, lol; why would I?

shymmex: Ok, do you know what Steve Biko said about Black Consciousness?



^^^^That's the same thing I have been preaching to you... Solving African problems with an African mind..

Black Consciousness = Afrocentrism..

Steve Biko is the father of Afrocentrism.

You know there are different philosophies of afrocentrism

shymmex: Anger?

I'm not even angry at no one... Matter of fact, I have more white and Asian friends than blacks.... And you will never see me shout racism - because I lived through it, and seen it all... It's normal to me, but nothing can change my African mind, and the colour of my skin..

I also live around more white people, and there is no hate in my heart towards them...

I'm realist, and all the solutions I proffered are what Africa needs to move to the next level - take it, or leave it.

I have asian, afro-caribbean, indian, arab and white european friends as well

shymmex: An European didn't teach me my history, I'll never let him teach me my history - after he committed the biggest crime ever by wiping my history out of the history books..

who said a European has to teach you anything, lol; you don't have parents or can't take it upon yourself(which I also did mind you). I know I never said they have to. So you were born and raised in the western world and based on your knowledge you didn't go to school from elementary to college/university

Now I know why many Nigerians don't get along with you and why their will never be any black unity world wide, you proved my point.

shymmex: My scholarship is what's wrong with that continent...

Tell me one great African that didn't share the same 'ideal' as mine..

Patrice Lumumba, Sekou Toure, Steve biko - and you know what happened to them, huh?

They were killed in cold blood by the oppressor..

Steven biko was killed for defending Black south Africans, my father has the book

I have respect for the man

shymmex: So, you're a freaking nurse lol...

Just do you, and look after your patients - this topic is out of your depth..

i am in the process of going to Medical school to be a doctor, so no it isn't beyond my limits. My profession is my profession

plus I am not going to be bullied out of my opinion, you guys stay with your beliefs and I stay with mine. based on your views I suggest you assimilate with black diasporians, they are coming for your defense; you should help progress their community due to the passionate anger you have.

shymmex: If an European didn't teach you, then you're Afrocentric because you're African..

That's the definition of Afrocentrism...

I think you're confusing Afrocentrism with black hebrew lol.

didn't a european teach you based on your logic but no I am not a afrocentric

MsDarkSkin: You are bitter. I am not asking you that "sister"

Second i never said we "can". No, in fact we DID.
and lastly my being a black woman from the west has nothing to do with this. Its about being honest and truthful. You can try as hard as you want but you cant hide your bigotry.

@shymmex thank you bro.

Thats your problem, I won't be ashamed for my views but that doesn't equate me for being a bitter person(your post is just a distraction to me), you don't like my opinion then move on. You and shymmex share the same ideals so it doesn't surprise me lol

shymmex: You don't need non-African blacks to teach you, but an European can teach you, huh?

Arrogant clowns.. You deserve what you get..

Boko haram is about to blow up your country to abyss, I wonder why the whiteman and Jesus has refused to save you guys.

No a european doesn't have to teach me, I never said a european has to lol

shymmex: The bolded part is one of the reasons why I said Nigerians aren't the smartest people out there - a country of idiots, with an uneducated president..

What have you achieved in your sorry life?? And if you want to get braggart about qualifications, what qualifications have you got?

To be honest, I'm not on your level in everything on this planet - believe that..

Bunch of dim-witted and brainwashed coons...

i am a nurse practitioner and I volunteer for various projects