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Family › Re: Please Have Mercy On Your Children by Antinatalist(op): 1:52am On Aug 30, 2019

missjo:
Are you an atheist?

I'm sorry I can't reply them since Atheism has nothing to do with Antinatalism. I know Antinatalists that are Atheists and I equally know others that are believers.
Faith has no role to play here. All that is required is honesty from people. Life in general is hard and never free from suffering and thus, there's no need to impose it on others.

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Family › Re: Please Have Mercy On Your Children by Antinatalist(op): 1:49am On Aug 30, 2019

Efewestern:
So in essence, we shouldn't give birth, and watch humanity go extinct.

Wow, just wow, you even said a single kid is a mistake.

Yes Sir. I maintain that no one has the Right to impose life on others.

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Family › Re: Please Have Mercy On Your Children by Antinatalist(op): 1:48am On Aug 30, 2019

GrabHisBalls:
The op raised some valid and invalid points. There are cases he sounded anti-childbearing. That's akin to making mankind go into extinction.

Thanks for your understanding.
Yes. I am anti-childbearing and I maintain that bringing any child into this world is morally wrong.

As for fear that humans are going to go into extinction. I'll address them now.

With or without Antinatalism, the human race is definitely going to become extinct thousands of years from now. Just hit "human extinction" in any search engine on the web and you'll be amazed at the various ways in which the world is deemed to end.

Life in general is too hard. Even the relatively lucky few that are born in wealthy homes are not spared other forms of suffering. In fact. Regardless of your wealth, you cannot guarantee that your child is not going to suffer really hard in this world and so you have no Right to force life upon them.

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Family › Re: Please Have Mercy On Your Children by Antinatalist(op): 1:33am On Aug 30, 2019

AmericanDad:
Buahahahhahahah! Working 9 to 5 is enough suffering

Some people are not lucky enough to work 9-5 even. Some are tortured for years by illness until finally dying. Some get kidnapped and shot. I can go on but my point is clear already.

Life is tragedy and no right thinking person should impose that tragedy on others.

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Family › Re: Please Have Mercy On Your Children by Antinatalist(op): 6:07pm On Aug 29, 2019

theButterfly:
If two healthy get married, there's no reason why their child shouldn't be healthy. If they want to take extra precautions, non-invasive prenatal testings that detects chromosomal abnormalities in a baby’s DNA, reproductive carrier genetic screening and other advancements in genetic testings have made it possible to know about a baby before they're born, so there's no reason why anyone should listen to your weak argument that they shouldn't have children b|c no one knows what the future holds. It's like telling people to never leave their homes b|c anything could happen if they step out. We all might as well be 6-feet under then if we're so riddled with the fear of living.

I'll only advice people to not have kids if they're poor and don't yet have the means to care for them, OR if genetic testing has revealed incompatibilities or future issues for their child [e.g. sickle cell trait] if they proceed.

You're wrong for thinking suffering is limited to disabilities. They're chances that the woman involved during childbirth would die. They're chances that the kid given birth to would die just few months after birth.

There is no guarantee that you the mom/dad would live long to watch that child grow, you might even die before that child turn adult.
There are chances that the kid might die via car accident, fire outbreak, a deadly disease, being raped/molested and even worse becoming permanently disabled. You cannot guarantee that your child will be immune to all these suffering regardless of your wealth.

There is no moral reason why anyone should bring a child into this world.

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Family › Re: Please Have Mercy On Your Children by Antinatalist(op): 5:53pm On Aug 29, 2019

ImaIma1:
There's no need dissecting your comments. I am already repelled by the pessimism, despair and negativity that seems to be your anchor and I don't want you dragging me along into it.

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The truth is always bitter. This time around it is not that my arguments are flawed. But it is that they're too dark for you to endure.

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Family › Re: Please Have Mercy On Your Children by Antinatalist(op): 5:30pm On Aug 29, 2019

ImaIma1:
I can see your mind is set on the issue. Allow others the privilege of also making their decision on the issue also instead of trying to force down your idea/opinion.

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Oh. You're running away from the discussion without even defending your position? Nice try.

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Family › Re: Please Have Mercy On Your Children by Antinatalist(op): 5:09pm On Aug 29, 2019

RoyalRoy since you're the moderator here. You could move this to front page as it seems this philosophical viewpoint is foreign to most people here. I'll also like to know how most Atheists feel about this. Seun, as this is a matter of life and death, what's your opinion?

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Family › Re: Please Have Mercy On Your Children by Antinatalist(op): 5:06pm On Aug 29, 2019

ImaIma1:
How can I love what I do not have or intend to have? ...

Yes you can. By observing this world and seeing that it is too hard, you can out of sympathy spare that child the burden of existence.
We spend almost 20years of our life getting education. Another stage is wageslaving and paying bills, excluding the possibility of being sick several times and suffering emotional traumas. Plus the anxiety of maintaining a job. At later stage we get old and suffer other complications before dying.

Having witnessed these things associated with living you can have some sympathy for your unborn children and spare them this tragedy called life.

ImaIma1:
I guess you wish you were not born.

Yes, and I have already forgiven my mother for giving birth to me. I plan not to repeat this mistake she made.

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Family › Re: Please Have Mercy On Your Children by Antinatalist(op): 4:57pm On Aug 29, 2019

ImaIma1:
How can I love what I do not have or intend to have?

I guess you wish you were not born. There are also countless stories about people that were healthy and happy and still ended up healthy and happy. Put your focus on those ones.

You do not even try to address the vital points in my arguments. You just pick a single line that suits you and that's all.

Well. I'll address whatever argument or question you pose to me.

I guess your view on people being happy is that they have a job, stable and sufficient income and they smile often. But in all honesty none of these guarantee happiness and we've seen countless stories of high income people and celebrities committing suicide due to unhappiness.

Secondly. While it is true that they are people in this world that are happy with their life. It's also not a reason to want to bring any child into this world.
This is because you cannot guarantee before-hand that the kid you're bring into this world is going to be happy with that life you're going to impose on them.
It is possible that the kid might even get sick only to suffer before he/she becomes an adult. .
It's also possible that you may even die before that kid becomes an adult leaving them prey to both physical and emotional abuse by people around them.

I could go on but I know you really have no interest in my arguments but rather you're hell bent in trying to show me how wrong I am. If you look at the negative aspects of life and still insist in creating babies then you're actually gambling with someone's life. It's best to leave that child in peace than force life on them.

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Crime › Re: Nigerian Shot Dead In South Africa By Police by Antinatalist: 4:02pm On Aug 29, 2019

Reporting this does nothing. The only to avoid deaths like this is by not bringing any child into this world.

Family › Re: Please Have Mercy On Your Children by Antinatalist(op): 3:56pm On Aug 29, 2019

elektra:
Lol.
Pray tell, what is my view?
Look through your thread and tell me where I stayed my view on having children.

By saying *He is not sane* you indirectly indicated your support on the cruel act of sentencing innocent children to suffering and death by bringing them into this world.

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Family › Re: Please Have Mercy On Your Children by Antinatalist(op): 3:45pm On Aug 29, 2019

Teaveapoet:
People that needs to hear these words are not mobile. Which means most of them are not educated or learned.

Sugar, are you an Antinatalist?

Health › Re: Newborn Baby With His Intestines Outside His Body In Cross River (Disturbing Pix by Antinatalist: 3:28pm On Aug 29, 2019

Stop bringing children into this world. Shame on parents and all breeders.

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Family › Re: Please Have Mercy On Your Children by Antinatalist(op): 3:25pm On Aug 29, 2019

elektra:
Okay, go an arrest them.

You have no logical and/or intellectual argument to defend your view. I only pity the children you're going to drag into this world to suffer because of your selfish desire to be a mother.

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Family › Re: Please Have Mercy On Your Children by Antinatalist(op): 3:22pm On Aug 29, 2019

ImaIma1:
The reasons not to have them are endless. What about the reasons to have them? What about the healthy children who are mentally intact? You are focusing only on the negative aspects alone. What about the positives?

There are several reasons to have children but it can never be for the sake of that child. If you truly love your children and wish them happiness and rest of mind then you not bringing them to this world is the best love you can offer them.

You mention healthy children, being healthy today does not guarantee that one will be healthy in the near future. I need not give too much examples, they're countless stories of people that are healthy and happy today and become bed sick and unhappy for the rest of their lives. ...

I'm not focusing on the negatives, all these are potential harm that can befall on anybody Born into this world. The only we can love our children is to not give birth to them in the first place.

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Family › Re: Earn 40,000 Monthly Can I Get Married. by Antinatalist: 2:18pm On Aug 29, 2019

You can get married. Just make sure you don't ever bring any single child into this world.

Family › Re: Share Your Favourite Antinatalist Quotes /memes Here by Antinatalist(op): 2:10pm On Aug 29, 2019

" If you're afraid of illnesses, if you are afraid of death, then you should contemplate where they com from? Where do they come from? They arise from birth. So don't be sad when someone dies, it's just nature, and his suffering in this life is over. If you want to be sad, be sad when people are born: Oh. No, they've come again. They're going to suffer and die again!"

---Ajahn Chah, No Ajahn Chah: Reflections...

.Our birth and death are just one thing. You can't have one without the other. It's a little funny to see how at a death people are so tearful and sad, and at a birth how happy and delighted. It's delusion. I think if you really want to cry. Then it would be better to do so when someone born. Cry at the root, for if there were no birth, there would be no death. Can you understand this?
Ajahn Chah, No Ajahn Chah: Reflections
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"Cioran is right. A truly honest and responsible man would prefer not to be born."
Valeriu Butulescu, Noroi aurifer
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.Given the contingency of our birth, all pain is useless. The useless pain is unbearable. Ergo, birth itself is unbearable. In this sense, being born is immoral. To be born carries a moral weight, a problematization: it is not, as affirmative ethics usually think, a pure fact, innocent and not requiring a critical opinion. Affirmative ethics are willing to sustain the immorality of the world solely and exclusively to save the morality of its origin. Negative ethics suggests the opposite, the rescue of the morality of the world after the discovery of the immorality of its origin (and the very problem of theodicies inverts: how is the innocence of the world and divine wickedness compatible?).
Julio Cabrera, Projeto de Ética Negativa

Family › Re: Share Your Favourite Antinatalist Quotes /memes Here by Antinatalist(op): 2:05pm On Aug 29, 2019

Family › Re: Please Have Mercy On Your Children by Antinatalist(op): 2:00pm On Aug 29, 2019

elektra:
He/she is not sane.

Even at the risk of being thought mad, we must not be afraid to say that our parents, like theirs before them, were guilty of the crime of procreation, which means the crime of creating unhappiness, of conspiring with others to increase the unhappiness of an increasingly unhappy world.

Thomas Bernhard, Gathering Evidence: A Memoir,

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Family › Re: Share Your Favourite Antinatalist Quotes /memes Here by Antinatalist(op): 1:53pm On Aug 29, 2019

" Although there are many answers to the question of how people should live, few thinkers have wondered about whether it is really moral to create people. Antinatalism undermines what seems obvious: that people should be begotten and born."
Karim Akerma, Was ist antinatalismus?
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Al-Maʿarri is said to have wanted this verse inscribed over his grave.
". My father has perpetrated this crime against me; I am guilty of none."
Abul ʿAla Al-Maʿarri, Arab Socialism.

"Whenever I reflect, my reflecting upon what I suffer only rouses me to blame him that begot me. And I gave peace to my children, for they are in the bliss of nonexistence which surpasses all the pleasures of this world. Had they come to life, they would have endured a misery casting them to destruction in trackless wildernesses."
Abul ʿAla Al-Maʿarri, Studies in Islamic Poetry
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"All human actions are nothing more than attempts to heal the mistake of their existence."
Abdullah al-Qasemi,.

"Even at the risk of being thought mad, we must not be afraid to say that our parents, like theirs before them, were guilty of the crime of procreation, which means the crime of creating unhappiness, of conspiring with others to increase the unhappiness of an increasingly unhappy world."
Thomas Bernhard, Gathering Evidence: A Memoir,
Procreation is something impossible for me. I would never forgive myself for putting someone on death row.
Elisa Brune, La mort dans l'âme: tango avec Cioran, 2011

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Family › Re: Please Have Mercy On Your Children by Antinatalist(op): 1:46pm On Aug 29, 2019

ogawisdom:
Hmmm I am not sure u are sane I give up on ur mentality

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Family › Re: Please Have Mercy On Your Children by Antinatalist(op): 1:45pm On Aug 29, 2019

elektra:
He/she is not sane.

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Family › Re: Share Your Favourite Antinatalist Quotes /memes Here by Antinatalist(op): 1:38pm On Aug 29, 2019

Here's some quotes. ...
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If children were brought into the world by an act of pure pure reason alone, would the human race continue to exist? Would not a man rather have so much sympathy with the coming generation as to spare it the burden of existence, or at any rate not take it upon himself to impose that burden upon it in cold blood?
(Arthur Schopenhauer, Studies in Pessimism: The Essays)

"It is wrong to bear children out of need. Wrong to use a
child to alleviate loneliness, wrong to provide purpose in life by reproducing another copy of oneself. It is wrong also to seek immortality by spewing one's germ into the future as though sperm contains your consciousness!"
Irvin D. Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept
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Family › Share Your Favourite Antinatalist Quotes /memes Here by Antinatalist(op): 1:34pm On Aug 29, 2019

Hello Nairalanders. Please allow us to introduce ourselves. We are Antinatalists and we insist that it is unacceptable and immoral to bring a child into this world. To read more about us, visit. .
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Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism

It is time to bring Antinatalism to Nigeria. It is going to be possible but it's also going to be slow, but regardless, we'll definitely succeed and put and end to the humance race for good.

All Antinatalists are welcome to share their favourite quotes and memes here.

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Family › Re: Please Have Mercy On Your Children by Antinatalist(op): 1:26pm On Aug 29, 2019

ogawisdom:
Not everyone is poor u Know, only Davido can take care of 50 children n give them the best in life.

Only dangote can take care of a community ie 5000 children

The issue of children is individual specific.

No. You're wrong Sir.
Just because you're rich doesn't give you the Right to bring any child into this world. Here's why . .

Your money cannot save that child from disabilities and other medical diseases they may be born with. .
Your money cannot save that child from accidents that might render down motionless for the rest of their lives. .
There's no guarantee that your financial situation won't change in the far future. Therefore making your child suffer.
Your money cannot save that child from anxieties and other mental health issues due to having to run a business to sustain income. .
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The reasons not to have children are endless. It is better not to bring them at all than to bring them to suffer for nothing.

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Family › Re: Please Have Mercy On Your Children by Antinatalist(op): 1:07pm On Aug 29, 2019

ogawisdom:
There is sense in every nonsense.

Having more than two children in this era is senseless

I know I might sound dark and cold but having even a single child is nothing but an act of pure wickedness.

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Family › Please Have Mercy On Your Children by Antinatalist(op): 12:55pm On Aug 29, 2019

Good day everyone. I have been an active visitor on this forum for a long time now, I decided to open an account because I have something important I wish to share to everyone. Please take your time and read. Thanks. .

I want to use this opportunity to beg parents to have some sympathy for their children and stop giving birth to them. There's too much suffering in this world, from children dying from starvation, people dying from diseases and getting beaten and raped, accidents, etc. In fact, the quality of human life in general is very low. .

If you love your children as you claim, you'll not want them to suffer. You can marry your partner and still be happy without children.

It's okay if you already have children, but it's not too late to stop producing now and save your future offsprings from coming into this world to suffer and then just die for nothing.

For now that's all I have to say.

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