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AmericanDad:
Resign my job kwa. Are u depressed? Or did someone hurt you?

Lol. Too dark huh?

AmericanDad:
Nah mehn. Who will now inherit my asset and goodwill? Strangers? God will make a way and give all of us the desired good life

Resign from your job, liquidate your assets and go into seclusion. Find a beautiful woman and enjoy a child-free life with her. You'll enjoy sex, food and other necessities in life. You'll live life free from anxiety and you'll no-longer be a slave to any senseless job.

Children are not key to happy homes. How happy can you be when you're constantly being disturbed by kids, having anxiety about their future? Most women spend their entire lives as slaves in their house in the name of having children, and it doesn't pay off in the future because your kids might turn their backs on you.

yeyeosoronga:
How else do you expect humans not to procreate if not by contraception? Or you are expecting them not to have intercourse?
Be the live advocate of contraception/ sterility. Unless you don't really mean all the things you've been saying.
Antinatalism is all about curbing population growth at the end of the day. How else do you become an antinatalist without contraception including vasectomy. Or you think you might change you mind about your beliefs tomorrow?

How did you arrive at the conclusion that I'm a "he"?
Why being so obsessed with a vasectomy? In some cases it can fail later in the future. Moreover. They're still other means of pregnancy prevention available,so it's not really correct to assume people can't be Antinatalists without being sterilized. Antinatalism has been in existence since the time of the ancient Greeks and we have books written by Antinatalists even before the concept of human sterilization was introduced. That's why your argument doesn't hold up. ..

Also. Antinatalism is not about curbing population. Antinatalism insists that childbirth is negative and harmful to the child involved and that humans should never impose life on innocent children. It's different from population control where having a single child is permitted. Unless you already have children before you discover Antinatalism. By giving birth to a single child, you're no longer an Antinatalist.

yeyeosoronga:
Dont just talk the talk, but walk it. When you get a vasectomy, then I will believe you truly believe your philosophy about humans not procreating. Otherwise, you're just trying to be controversial and hypocritical.

I'm sorry but you don't make any sense with this argument and I refuse to waste my time on you anymore if this is the only thing your mind can cook up.

AmericanDad:
Its dark n scary but ur saying the truth sha. The suffering in the world no b here but we still have to birth them and wish them luck

You can save your unborn children from having to suffer and then die. Or you give birth to them and watch as they suffer all through life. I strongly suggest you pick enough courage to swallow the truth regardless of how bitter it tastes. .
Check out https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/blogs-trending-49298720

AmericanDad:
Dem don tire for u now

I know you guys believe my philosophy is took dark. I know how they feel that's why I don't insult them back. I understand them.

AmericanDad:
Antinatalist go back to ur thread

I'm waiting for my friends to respond to my posts so that I can finish the person with logic

You're willing to pay 700k+ to become a cooperate slave?

armyofone:
Exactly! Limit the number of children to 2 or 3 should be the way to go. Many are not financially okay and should have no business having children.
Many African men think the sole purpose of their pe..nis is to get erection and sexual healing!

You're of the opinion that many should never have children because they are not financially okay. Your reason for saying this of course, would be that the children would suffer if they're brought into this world due to the financial condition of their parents.

We are actually on the same ground (which is avoiding suffering) but I disagree with you that the high income people should even have to give birth to even a single child.

You see, the quality of human life is very low even for the relatively few that can boast of the best life.
That you have millions in your account does not give you any Right whatsoever to impose life on innocent children.
This is because, regardless of your wealth, cannot predict that your child will not be a victim of fire accident that would torture them to death in the near future. You cannot predict whether they'll be a victim of a terrible accident that would render them disabled for the rest of their lives. You cannot guarantee that they'll not fall victim of a killer virus that would torment them to their graves.

I could go on for ages, the list of the terrible things a child is exposed to in this world once he/she is brought into existence is endless. Also, regardless of your wealth. You cannot guarantee that your child will be happy in life. So bringing a child into this world becomes morally problematic. .

On the other hand. No harm is ever done to the unborn. Unborn babies do not feel sad or ever cry. They are never punished with the anxiety of existence. Moreover, since we all die anyways, why disturb the unborn?

yeyeosoronga:
I sill take you serious once you get a vasectomy to show you really believe all you've been saying

I'm sure you can do better than this my dear friend.

djon78:
So much negativity, despair, pessimism and darkness in his post.
God that created us put that ability in us to procreate. Likewise animals.
There is no justification for this his post
Its total madness
And I defy it completely

When one decides to be realistic and speak about things the way they really are. He/she becomes a pessimist.
Out of all the things I wrote here. Please can you pick out just one thing that is not true ? I bet you can't.
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I'm not here to say things you like. I paint life the way it is. Life is a tragedy and you have no Right whatsoever to impose it on others without their consent.

frozen70:
Funny enough, those people you are referring to are not in this forum

They are. Please take time to read the comments here. Thanks.

TheAk:
so you'd rather watch the gradual extintion of our species?

Yes Sir.

Zielle:
Bc you're senseless n mentally ill. U are not ok up there at all , are a danger to the Nigerian society. I pray you're not planning to kill or rape any children around u . Seriously parents are afraid of leaving their children around a messed up person like u, u may kill them arguing u are doing them a favor!!!! No rush for me to be a mother, still chilling chilling . Worry about ur mentally ill self. Go to the Pregnancy thread on Nairaland n tell them all the crappy you're spitting here, watch if they won't curse ur already miserable life. Go tell Linda Ikeji, Ronke Odunsanya, Otedola, the Kardashian girls wt little kids, n all the peeps in Nollywood n Hollywood with kids or newborns they made a mistake having kids, their kids are suffering or go suffer in life, their kids wll get raped, their kids will die n watch if u won't get arrested or locked up in a psych ward. Like i said go ask ur mother y she gave birth to u or y she didn't abort ur ass , it's her u shud direct ur frustrations to . Nonsense n antinatalism.

My love you're quite rude to me. Rather than raining insults, point out the flaws in my arguments and address it. Thanks in advanced cup cake

ThothHermes. ..

Please try to understand that Antinatalism has nothing to do with religion. There are hundreds of religions in this world that oppose childbirth. It's only Abrahamic religions and some other few that actually promote the whole idea of procreation.

Secondly. So you see beggars laughing in the streets and you took it as an evidence that no harm was done by giving birth to them? For someone to be living life under the sun in hunger and starvation all throughout their life, you don't see anything evil in that, then it means you lack human sympathy.

You also seem to miss my point. Regardless of the suffering we might face. It might not really stop me from having a career and having a husband/wife. But having all these things does not in any way nullify the fact that my existence is a harm to me. Beggars and People that are disabled suffer all through their lives. Their birth is a harm to them committed by their selfish parents. Nobody suffers just because he/she was not born into this world. But. Just by giving birth to a kid. We expose them to different levels of unimaginable harm and inevitable death. This makes childbearing an immoral thing to do.

End procreation now.

chidiebereuzoma:
There's is actually sense in what you are saying. on my own, I wonder over these things about life and some other things that people are probably afraid to think about!
Well I'm open minded and a free thinker

Thanks for your understanding.

Parenting is a crime not a responsibility. Imposing life on innocent children without their consent is nothing but pure evil.

AmericanDad:
Antinatalist you need God! I will have offsprings and train them well in Jesus name

Yes you will. You'll do that for the selfish desire of being a father. You'll do so several reasons and not for the sake of that child. They're billions of humans like you out there imposing life on innocent kids. It's nothing new.

No, I would not like it if there was no end, it is literally something we can influence: a peaceful end to humanity. Let no one – this is the first thing I wish – become a parent anymore. It does not hurt the unborn, and saves them a lot of trouble.
Karlheinz Deschner

If a child, for whose existence I was responsible, were to ask me why he or she were here, what happens after death, whether I could guarantee he or she would not suffer a fate like that Furuta Junko suffered in 1988/89 (please look it up, as there’s no room to describe it), what would I say? To me, the fact I have no answers that would not be guesswork, evasion or dogma indicates that having children is selfish and cruel.
---Quentin S. Crisp, Antinatalism: A Thought Experiment, 2014
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Murder is the curtailing of a life that would have ended anyway; having a child creates a death that would never have been...
Quentin S. Crisp, Antinatalism: A Thought Experiment

If the mother of this priest had not given birth to him. This evil would not have happened. All manner of sufferings can be found in our society today. You can save your children from being a victim by deciding not to give birth to them.

ImaIma1:
Who did this to you?

My Friend it appears you're already a mother. That's not a problem and I cannot hate you for your actions even though it's not a moral thing to do. You were probably under the influence of biological disposition and culture. Don't worry about that. I know some people that became Antinatalists after having their first child or second child even. One of them even wrote a book. Check https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Antinatalist-Jim-Crawford/dp/0989697266

Just try hard and show love to that child and try your best to make sure he/she doesn't suffer too much.

If I were to ask you why you decided to give birth you'll definitely give me a lot of reasons that are quite compelling but, none of this reasons will ever concern that child. That's the norm in our society. People just spread their legs and give birth without even thinking of the implications involved.

No one is ever hurt by not being born but rather they suffer just because they were born. By bearing a child. You're sentencing that child to death. That child becomes a victim of all the evils that goes under this earth. That child becomes a potential wageslave in the future. Giving birth to a child because of selfish desires to be a mother is wrong because you're using another human as a means to an end.

Zielle:
You reflect on ur own words urself then take urself to a Psychiatric ward while you're at it, pleeease. Talk till next year if u like, ain't nobody listening to the rubbish you're spitting

Honey why the rudeness? Listen Sugar. I hope you're not planning to sentence an innocent baby to an unnecessary death and suffering because of your selfish desire to be a mother? If Yes then it's not too late to change your mind.

ImaIma1:
Who did this to you?

Oh. My lovely friend. Welcome back.

Tsongz:
Yeah i support your opinion cos you don't deserve to exist. Your parent shouldn't have brought a numbskull like you into this world
If you feel like you wanna question God you can drink a can of sniper insecticide

Akindidirin oshi

I don't feel insulted my little cup cake. I know I don't deserve to exist. I don't deserve all the illness I've had to endure because someone imposed life on me. All the anxieties related to education, jobs and paying bills, I do not deserve them. It was forced on me by selfish people who were desperate to pass their DNA to someone.
However. I plan not to force this life on someone else.

Unpredictablejo:
Because you saw this helpless child doesn't mean that children who stand a better chance to make great impact in this world shouldn't be given birth to...Everybody's fate differs...

No one has the Right to impose life on others. You cannot predict whether that child you're bringing in would be saved from all the evils of this world. Do not disturb the unborn.

TheAk:
i'm kinda confused,i mean yes the world is a shitty place but for most of us kids are the only thing that makes it bearable.....

That's selfishness on your own part my dear Sir. You should never use a human like you as a means to an end. It's wrong to sentence people to suffering and death for your selfish interests.

ThothHermes:
Life seems tough but what about the pleasures of life -- Travelling, falling in love, tasting good food, feeling immense joy etc.
The simple pleasures more than make up for whatever hardship one might face no?

The fact that pleasure exists is not enough reason to even bring a child into this world because the sufferings in this world outweighs the pleasure. .
Happy moments do not last in this world. And even when they do, the pleasure we derive from them soon fade, like an illusion. . ..
Even for sex, we soon forget how the pleasure felt after some minutes. But if your finger sliced off with an axe, I guarantee it that even for 20 years the memory of that pain will still be fresh in your mind. The bad things in this world outweighs the good things in it.

Antinatalism has nothing to do with nihilism, I know some deeply religious Antinatalists. Any right thinking human being would never impose life on others regardless of how they feel about this world because you can never guarantee that the child you're bringing in is totally free from suffering.

Zielle:
Lots of mentally ill pple parading around on NL oo. Op, rather than trying to shove your ugly ideas on Nairalanders, go blame your mother for giving birth to u or ask why she didn't abort u in the womb. Nonsense.

Reflect on these words of mine instead of attacking me. Please I beg you to do this.

nwanneni:
And how do you intend to enforce these idea of yours?
No come nuke me one day in my sleep o
Bloody psychopath!!Bin Laden in the making.

Life is too hard Sir. There's no reason for me to kill my fellow man or wish them suffering. I help them whenever it's within my power to. It's not me who is a psychopath but people who see that life consists of sufferings and death and still proceed to impose it on others out of their selfish desires to be parent.

Also. Antinatalism is a growing movement. It will take time but we'll definitely succeed in our efforts to save the unborn from unnecessary sufferings and death.