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MightySparrow:
Whatever is revealed to the Messenger of. GOD is valid, infallible, and final. Questioning it is haram. You have to submit your reasoning faculty to Allah!

Heheheheheheh plenty things day this islam o.
Hmmm tell me more.

Visitor700:
Good. Now i'm urging you to embrace islam.

Lol... don't make me laugh.

SUPERPACK:
Am a christian. and i believe in religious tolerance

Muslims make christians behave like this. Well bad of me tho.

MightySparrow:
No answer, you have already disobeyed the commandment of ALLAH

Huh? Because I asked a question? Tell me how?

SUPERPACK:
my point is that every religion is misinterpreted by people to favour their violent behaviours.
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linking islam or christianity to killing and violence is nt right, even the muslem imams and sultan is nt in support of what is happening and he has openly condemned it.
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it is just like attributing the bad behaviours of pastors (rape, molestation, ritual killing, and also violence spear headed by the pope) to the teaching of christ. the law says "Though shall not kill".

You sound reasonable. Are you muslim?

SUPERPACK:
so catholic have the right to kill for Christ abi, bt muslems are nt allowed to do same. who ordered the christians to kill in other to spread christianity to europe.
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or is it also muhammed?
every religion is violent be it christianity, islam, or pagan frm a certain angle. Have u heard any top islam cleric supporting the killing by bokoharam, al Qaeda and isil.

You don't read. I Fúcking said NO, Jesus never asked anyone to kill for him,what u talking here.

How ever they want it, Christianity will conquer the world. If nigeria was to be an islamic nation, it would have been a long time ago. But why isn't it so?

Islam is dying, fast, so by compulsion is what they are doing now. It's well.

SUPERPACK:
he is right. have u ever read about the christian crusade https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade
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The killed both christians and muslems, invaded the whole europe and imposed catholicism. did Jesus tell them to kill for him.

Catholic as at that time was the super power religion. And no, Jesus never asked anyone to kill for him, unlike muhammed who beheaded 930jews to spread the islamic Gospel!

Read ful history here http://www.monthly-renaissance.com/issue/content.aspx?id=686

I suggest you study more so you understand the kind of religion Islam is, probably you would see why Christians are not "friendly"

Visitor700:
Read the verse again, did Allah warn against asking questions or asking questions that have negative repercussions?



Culled below is from tafsir Ibn Kathir quran 5:101 concerning the incident that led to the revelation of the verse.

Ibn `Abbas said, [size=13]"Some people used to question the Messenger of Allah to mock him.[/size] One of them would ask, [size=13]`Who is my father,'[/size] while another would ask, [size=13]`Where is my camel,'[/size] when he lost his camel. Allah sent down this Ayah about them.
(O you who believe! Ask not about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble...).''
(Al-Bukhari)

If this is true, no problem.

MashinDoze:
[s]Do u know dat spain was a muslim country, till d christians invade it with their crusade by killing dere kings and forceful conversion of muslims into christianity... The both religion are guilty of dat[/s]

-10. You lying there.

Spain was never a muslim country. The Muslims stole it from the then King (I can't remember his name) just as they were planning to steal jerusalem and Rome. Ask yourself why did the Pope of the then roman catholic church together with the templars (today's freemason) fight and drove the Muslims from these regions? It's because of unnecessary domineering behaviours of these radical muslims.

Let's be real, Islam is dying, they just looking for every way to impose thier religion on people to outsmart the christians, promise you heaven on earth if you accept thier faith. In the end, it's the same worldly pleasures... nothing else.

Turkey was called ephesus, the two main sides of christianity had issues and face off, the muslim minority manipulated the major christians there and used the opportunity to convert the hand full of them to muslims, thats why you see today turkey is predominantly muslim.

You don't know your islam, as a religion of peace it's only peaceful if you bow down to allah and deny other religions even the sharia law supports most of these their crap, and they back it with the quran.

carinmom:
You people never cease to amaze me, some of you Nigerian xtians are fast becoming cry cry babies. Now tell me what's the big deal about that moon sign, have we Muslims ever complain about the cross sign on ambulances? Have you seen Allahu Akbar on the vehicle? You people should save yourselves heart attack over trivial issues.

Gradually, trivial issues become thriving issues. It's simple we don't want islam to rule over us. The islam brought in the name of rid of corruption is gradually destroying the economy. Save us your sermon and keep your moon god backwardness. Tell your president we said so.

gigabyte13:
[s]Islamised Nigeria? Only an IPOB thug can reason like this. Those IPOB guys are really pathetic.


Ask them, if any of them has donated "JESUS IS LORD" incripted vehicle rejected by the COAS?




Bunch of nitwit, hypocrite, and losers.[/s]

Russia + America fighting boko haram and Isis /isil for you are who= atheists?

-20 you very shallow minded and talk unreasonably.

Macfloyd:
[s]Chei....Pls Lord dash our youths some sense and little knowledge so dey can learn more dan blogging,fb, instagram and twitter.
Can u children notice that dat Ambulance is imported from either Turkey or Tunisia. All army ambulances r painted in camouflage colours, so dey'll definitely repaint it. So b4 u all start wailing and crying,wait till d vehicle is operational.... Islamization talks...ahahahahahahah[/s]

-30
Your ignorance is powerful, if I could unplug your life to charge my battery.....
In software development and other services, it is a right to render services in the language widely understood by everyone in the country. Nigeria speaks English and never arabic, we no fools here.

Don't come here to scribble bullshit,we don't need it. Good day.

mars123:
[s]You sound like an illiterate. is it allahu akbar that is printed on the ambulance? just Arabic writing that is making you spew trash. This islamisation rubbish is more proof that you wailers just want to wail till you run out of energy and megabytes. [/s]

-95
You talk rubbish a lot! Close your toilet! You talk like a mentally derailed fellow. What's the primary language of Nigeria? What language did you type this your bullshit in? What language am I talking to you now in?? You want us to bow down before your moon god and his isis and isil tendencies here.

SUPERPACK:
How is this ambulance a sign of islamizing nigeria. The world has gone past the time of islamization or christianization. Nobody on earth can islamize Nigeria.

Speak for yourself,the rice eaters don't love you bro.
If Islam and Sharia wasn't the primary thing on thier minds, why you think your country is now the first in this arab league nonsense.
It has begun. We warned you when you fellows were voting buhari, you never listened, it has begun.

UBScirgerefa:
@Truthman2012... Muslims cling to Islam after compelling evidence showing that it is a product of an arab man's imaginations for the same reason that after Christianity has been proven to be a fraud, you still cling to it anyway... and hey, don't tell me you don't know all Abrahamic religions are from the devil (whatever that means)... so, why single out Islam?

Prove it that abrahamaic religions are devilish, or be silent forever!

Annunaki:
I always marvel at some people's ability to make long meaningless and pointless posts.

He's been talking bullshit since beginning of Adam!
I said what... we need answers, he's been talking super senseless nonsense ever since then..

Answers to what...a simple topic. he's bringing up jesus and Pharisees and rubbish rubbish on here. Which way na? Betatron and others nko, way calm down day talk,them brain day pain them?

He should never speak on my thread again, no be by force. Rabbish!

WORDWORLD:
EYAH SORRY.

I thought you believe is freedom of expression. Why should i be subjective to writing short notes when its a free world.

My dear all that i have said and also what the parable of the speck and plank in eye is teaching the world is that CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME.

If you are commanded not to speak against the Holy Spirit.

Then, allow the Muslim too to obey the command of not asking silly questions as commanded by the Bible.

YOU DONT SEE IT THAT WAY ALL BECAUSE YOU ARE YET TO EVEN DISCOVER WHO YOU ARE.

Embrace sincerity, rationality, rigtheousness.Being religious is just being FANATICAL.
The beauty is that posterity have the opportunity of reading all these. I hope and pray that they see clearly without being SENTIMENTAL.

It was a good exhibition of your ignorance and arrogaance and not a quest for searching forr ANSWERS.

I asked a question,you talking ignorance, it's enough, to hell with your stupíd talk. Never ever you talk on this thread again. I want to know things, lexiconkabir, betatron and others talked I kept quiet, you come here, rant crap and talk shit.

I don't have time to talk to people who don't know what they are doing, I asked a simple question,you were talking sensibly,why did u divert? Because someone called islam.. and your thinking... I said you need to see a doctor, you do need to. you talking rubbish on here, so full of hate. Go away!!!

WORDWORLD:
@ ari3l

Is it answers that you SINCERELY seek or all you care is to making JUDGEMENTS?

A lot of answers of which all are very UNIFORM and have been CHARITABLY given to you at God's Mercy.

So, if your goal is looking for answers you have had more than enough to make you UNDERSTAND "Quran 5:101 we need answers"

I didn't fail in my own judgement of your mind by characterising it as a RELIGIOUS MIND. It TRUTH, a religious mind is a mind of a FANATIC. And a FANATIC is one who RE-DOUBLES his or her ZEAL again and again long after he or she has lost sight of his or her goals.

FANATICS have uncritical and obsessive enthusiam for their BELIEFS and little tolerance for contrary ideas or opinions that shakes their position. The more untenable their position becomes, the hard the hold on all because they are mostly without KNOWLEDGE nor WISDOM but follow CONJECTURE.

So with all the answers provided to you, what you really care about is FREEDOM OF SPEECH. And with your HALF QUOTED verse which is out of context you keep JUDGING IT based on Sentiments because you RESENT MUSLIMS, ALLAH, MUHAMMAD, THE QURAN.

Freedom of speech!!!

Well humanity can never prosper with such a RELIGIOUSLY prejudice soul that is full of ARROGANCE and IGNORANCE.

Why did I say Arrogance?

All the answers given to you are not correct but yours which is based on your IGNORANCE for if not, you wouldn't have based your JUDGEMENT of Muslims in the first instance to being LIMITED to excersing the FREEDOM OF SPEECH by Quran 5:101.

You should have first of all look at your own BIBLE, flashing it with the TOUCH OF TRUTH so that what is already clear becomes clearer to you and enough for you adhere to the teachings of your own BELIEF.

"AND WHY DO YOU LOOK AT A SPECK IN YOUR BROTHER'S EYES, BUT DO NOT PERCEIVE THE PLANK IN YOUR OWN EYE?" Luke 6 : 41.

Kindly consider this next verse in the HOLY BIBLE and tell me what is your SINCERE JUDGEMENT. If not being allowed freedom of speech is what your half qouted Quran 5:101 interpretes to you about ISLAM. And if you at all possess a LUCID Mind that yearns after TRUTH and UNDERSTANDING.

"ANYONE WHO SPEAKS A WORD AGAINST THE SON OF MAN, IS FORGIVEN HIM; BUT WHOEVER SPEAKS AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT, IT WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN HIM, EITHER IN THIS WORLD OR IN THE AGE TO COME". Matthew 12: 32

If that is not a LIMITATION in freedom of speech what is it? So one can't ask for example SILLY QUESTIONS about the HOLY SPIRIT. You can't criticize the HOLY SPIRIT.........most of all you can't in the language of the verse I just quoted "SPEAK AGAINST the HOLY SPIRIT".

FREEDOM of Speech is FREEDOM of speech whether we should apply commonsense or not is what Quran 5:101 made a valid judgement about.

That don't be SILLY in the questions that you ask.

Which also ends as such in the Quran that Allah is oft-Forgiving Forbearing, if one should eventually exceed that apparent limitation.

Not so about the HOLY SPIRIT. "It will not be forgiven him either in this age or in the age to come" IF YOU SPEAK AGAINST IT.

Fallacies are committed intentionally to manipulated or persuade by deception while others are committed due to careless or ignorance.

ANY PREMISE BASED ON FALSEHOOD MUST ALWAYS HAVE A FALSE CONCLUSION.

Right from INCEPTION I had studied your premise which is a frequent accussation on the Quran by noise makers. I have obviously have destroyed your premise from the ground level before you even get a CHANCE of redefining your concept of freedom of speech to suiting your DOUBLE STANDARD.

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH AND I SO MUCH PITY YOU.

Apply your premise based on freedom of speech to that verse about not speaking against the HOLY SPIRIT and let us watch you exhibit your FANATICAL MIND once again to our pity of your IGNORANCE.

A fanatic is one who CAN'T change his or her mind and won't change the subject.

Should you continue in you thoughtless wriggle will only establish the above statement FIRMLY.

My question is:

Is it justice if what applies to brother Musa shouldn't be applied to brother Moses?

"Or how can you say to your brother, 'Brother let me remove the speck that is in your eye' when you YOURSELF do not see the plank that is in your own eye? HYPOCRITE!!!

FIRST REMOVE THE PLANK FROM YOUR OWN EYES AND THEN YOU WILL SEE CLEARLY TO REMOVE THE SPECK THAT IS IN YOUR BROTHER'S EYE". Luke 6 : 42

You may as well consult the Holy Spirit to enquire why you are not free to SPEAK against it.

As for the bolded letters you once asked me to expanciate. I will honestly do that but not on your thread.

I can't be chasing you in circles while you are thinking you are moving forward running in around in CIRCLES.

I WILL OPEN MY THREAD FOR THE LUCID MINDS THAT WALK WITH HUMILITY ON THE STRAIGHT AND RIGHT PATH IN SEARCH OF TRUTH AND UNDERSTANDING.

Thank you for the exhibition of your mind.

I remember I said
"Don't fùcking write a long text", don't you get?
Now coming to what you wrote, if I may ask you, why do muslims feel that who ever asks questions about islam, tries to mock islam? The answer is simple islam is not doing what if suppose to, thats why you feel insulted at every slightest query thrown at you muslims, your write up is strictly full of hate, and you want me to believe all this bullshit you write!

You don't get it do you, I don't have any form of resentment for islam, the same questions I ask,is the same questions another person in his right senses would ask, and one question, would you go on giving him this crappy nonsense of hate as an explanation? Write not out of resentment, but out of freewill. It's a free world, and I have the right to speak, or you don't see it that way?

Now let me add, if your islam is free, explain as betatron explained,and forget it. And let me ask, do you preach in mosque? If yes, I'm really sorry for your congregation, hate cannot in anyway bring a listening ear to you.

You said nothing mind you, with this I place my judgement wrongly about islam. Get over with it.

BETATRON:
existence in no God is the definition of science...science is but the study of nature and embracing it beauty,,atheism is synonymous to materialism...that the pledge to only belief in God if He materializes Him self...science didn't say there is no God but science doesn't bring God into the equation why would science discuss God science is based on empirical findings and God isn't subject to such laws..science states from the movement religion starts from the mover...science and religion can be infact complementary

1-Are those who have knowledge and those who have no knowledge alike? Only the men of understanding are mindful-- (Quran, 39:9)----how will you gain knowledge without asking and making research

2-My Lord! Enrich me with knowledge..” (Quran,
20:114)--- muslims are asked to say this lines

3-Read in the name of your Lord Who created. He
created man from a clot. Read and your Lord is Most Honorable, Who taught (to write) with the pen.
Taught man what he knew not-quran96:1-5-look how beautifully the koran emphasizes on reading and seeking knowledge

In fact the seeking of knowledge is so much cherished in islam that the prophet is narrated to have made as an obligatory duty for ever muslim

These should suffice

Now this area

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3, Number 92:

Narrated Abu Musa: The Prophet was asked about things which he did not like, but when the questioners insisted, the Prophet got angry.

Now asides religion and it's facts, what else would they ask a prophet of a deity?
Why would he become angry that a question or two was asked?

lexiconkabir:
op, this is the complete verse This is very simple, dont ask unnecessary questions on things not revealed, but you can ask after it has been revealed, whats ambigous about that? also you dont ask questions on something that has been made plain to you, whats difficult to get here? for instance, you are told that eating with the left hand is an act of shaytaan, yet you are asking "what if i have a big hambugger that i need my two hands for eating" such a mischievious question, what stops you from cutting the hambugger bit by bit before eating? or you've been told that alcohol has been totally prohibited, yet you ask "what if i use it for taking medications" what a useless question, how did you know it works? when they are many alternatives. so these are the kind of questions talked about, thank you!

Ok then read here

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3, Number 92:

Narrated Abu Musa: The Prophet was asked about things which he did not like, but when the questioners insisted, the Prophet got angry.

What exactly would make a prophet of a deity be angry at his followers? There wasn't a stupíd question the pharisees didn't ask Jesus, why did mohammed get angry at the questions concerning religion?

BETATRON:
first is an atheist belief isn't science,, second is the beauty of science is failing and trying new things,,but every1 feels the beauty and reward of religion is ultimate success

You don't get the point....there is no how you can so accept something without asking question and understanding it...the only possible means is to force people again and this kind of procedure doesn't last long...it would have stop immediately after the death of the tyrant

And we've listed a number of verses where islam welcomes dialogue but it seems you've turned a blind eye toward them

Free thinking = science, existence of no God, thats what a super atheist would say, that is exactly why I said it's science.

List the areas again I would like to see where islam welcome questions.

WORDWORLD:
I WILL ANSWER YOU MY DEAR. NAIRALAND IS NOT PUTTING FOOD ON MY TABLE. I GOT OTHER COMMITMENTS .

The beauty of the inter-net is tha everyone can have access to it. Hence the information being exchanged here is subjective to CHOICE. in the end everyone is responsible for their beliefs.

As to Jesus cursing the Pharasiess:

Matthew 12 : 34
Maththew 12 : 38

just to mention a few.

i got work to do. Kindly be patient.

23:13-33 The scribes and Pharisees were enemies to the gospel of Christ, and therefore to the salvation of the souls of men....

Muhammed has his own enemies what did he do to them, when they asked him questions? But he (Jesus) called them brood of snakes..cos not only they were enemies of his gospel, they wanted to kill him at all cost, but difference is mohammed would kill like he killed the Jews to preach his gospel. They are different here. Jesus answers your questions, mohammed doesn't, thats why I ask, are you in the right path? Why hide facts from people even those that make yourself thier enemies.

BETATRON:
do atheists ask questions?

Yes they do. Their belief is science, don't you think they ask questions to get to knowledge of science they got to? I know of one who believes in miracles and he followed us to fellowship once, he's Chinese.

Even witches ask questions. Those who worship zoroaster and even taoism (practiced here in china) ask questions. Now why wouldn't islam ask questions? Haven't you thought something is wrong?
Think well...

BETATRON:
such questions which lead people toward atheism.....christians too ask such questions and have become atheist,,although some are very intelligent questions only lacking intelligent answers but a whole lot of dem are unintelligent questions putting on the clothes of intelligence.

A real christian never dumps his cause. Even with atheist here in China, many of them listen to Christians..tho not all the time.
And why would you want to become an atheist upon asking questions?

malvisguy212:
moses was a jews, a true prophet. Moses has NOTHING to do with allah or muhammed. Muhammed and Allah are one person.

Smh. Means he didn't even get his inspiration from God. That's it then? No wonder he condemns the people to death who leave islam.

malvisguy212:
The quran say some people ask question and loose their faith, who are this people ? What question did they ask ? Who did they ask question ? Allah or muhammed ? And why the right answer are not given to them ?

Even he cannot answer them.

BETATRON:
....like asking if God could change the whole universe to the size of a needle,,can god turn to a goat,,bring god to me lemme see how he looks.....really a lot of irrelevant questions exist

Anyone who asks this kind of questions need to visit the hospital immediately! That's how I see it by the ways.

BETATRON:
well you don't have to tear him into pieces

Infact I didn't. I told him how things are. The man thinks like a child, what would he advise his woman and his kids in the house? Huh Temme?

malvisguy212:
It was jesus challenging the belief of the pharasees and not the other way round, the bible made it crystal clear, whenever the pharasees came to ask jesus question, it always was a plot to kill him or to find fault against him. And jesus NEVER ignore their question, He give them answer. But muhammed got angry for question being ask toward him, and also, why did the quran discourage muslims to ask question ?how is asking question means one could loose his faith ?

And when they loose their faith... no wonder he says allah will forgive.
I'm believing allah is either Muhammad or Moses. That's how I see it.

BETATRON:
lol.....very sharp words from a lady

He doesn't understand, he wants to write and feel exhaulted. Before anyone writes he should have a clear understanding then come and write here. Don't complicate issues for yourself and people.

BETATRON:
you haven't asked him an irrelevant provoking question...there is a curious stage in every ones life, I also asked a lot of question as I was growing(still growing anyways) but on few occasions I asked irrelevant questions and happen to get irrelevant answers so to speak..I didn't because of the irrelevant questions I asked which yielded no answers turn my back on the teacher cause he as answered a lot of relevant question and opened the eyes of my heart.....so irrelevant questions especially when they come from those who they are not expected to come from could provoke anybody

Very well, like what question do you term irrelevant? Explain further.