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druxy:
[s]with the way u guys talk...i can conclude that christians are worst than the crazy terrorists...[/s]

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Your ignorance is powerful. You don't seem to know anything in this life you came to. I seriously wonder how u managed to pass thru the university (if at all you went to one) what you scribbled here, does it in anyway match what I'm asking, two parallel lines is what you scribbled here.

Try and understand things before you write.

WORDWORLD:
Did that single verse 5: 101 end with trouble followed by dash dash dash

Becoming angry by men of God when being asked irrelevant questions is found in the Bible many times. An expression by so many prophets. Even Jesus is not left out. He expresses his anger and even curses the Pharasies when the come with their provocative questions.

Jesus is many times called Son of man. Perhaps he was also being emotional like human beings.

Even God becomes angry despite being GOD that He is.

So Prophet Muhammad becoming angry being human that he is and with the Hadith not stating what it was the question being exactly asked him that made him emotional leave us and you in VAGUE.

The Quran is revealed in stages which infact was an enquiry by those who had no faith in Islam.

As thus:

"Those who reject faith (in islam) say: 'why is not the Quran revealed to him all at once?' Thus (is it reveealed), that We may strengthen thy heart thereby, and We have reheared it to thee in slow, well arranged stages, gradually" Quran 25 verse 32

Why in stages? One of the reason is because the Quran takes a form of a rebuttal to questiions hauled at the Prophet which in return he is commanded to say the answers as being revealed to him be Him, Allah who claims throughout in the Quran the Authorship, the speaker.

Also another reason is because the Quran does not demand belief but invites belief.

It is always questioning man. HAVE YOU MAN THOUGHT OF SUCH AND SUCH? HAVE YOU CONSIDERED SO AND SO? IT IS ALWAYS AN INVITATION FOR YOU TO LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE AND EXAMIN. AND NOT TO JUST BELIEVE DOGMATICALLY.

"And no question do they bring to thee but We reveal to thee the Truth and the best explanation" Quran 25: 33

As to you @ ari3l i will attend to you soon. I have to meet up with today's challenges to seeking for bread and butter for my flesh. Do worry i will be EXPLICIT with my answers if understanding is what you seek.

IF ANYBOODY A NON-MUSLIM SEEKING TO UNDERSTANDING ISLAM NOT INFACT TO BECOMING A MUSLIM BUT UNDERSTANDING BREEDS PEACE WILL NOTICE THAT MALGIVING'S STILL DID NOT QUOTE IN FULL THE VERSE QURAN 5: 101 IN FULL.

BUT WITH DASH DASH DASH........ITS TRUELY MISLEDING WHAT PEOPLE DO JUST INOREDER TO DEMONIZE OTHER PEOPLE'S FAITH.

I ALWAYS WONDER WHY? I BELIEVE ITS A DISEASE OF THE HEART THAT NEEDS CURE BY EMBRACING SINCERITY.

Where did jesus curse the pharisees? Show me in bible verses.

BETATRON:
you've made no meaningful contribution with what you've just posted bro..contribute meaningfully

Why then was he angry when they asked him questions according to v 102 of your Quran? As a prophet of your holy one, he deem it fit to answer calls from your Allah, but cannot answer questions that his followers ask. I think it's wrong.

In Sunday school in church, I am known here in my church in Shenzen China to always ask questions to my preacher. Even when I come back to my Anglican church in Nigeria, I would ask my preacher questions and it's his responsibility to give me answers I want, God won't come down from heaven to answer me when he has his "prophet" or don't you concur to this?

malvisguy212:
@ ari3l. The next verse even state the reason why Allah did not want muslims to ask question:

Verse 102
" A people asked such [questions] before you;
then they became thereby disbelievers."

And the hadith record, muhammad was annoy for question being thrown at him:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3, Number
92:
Narrated Abu Musa: The Prophet was asked
about things which he did not like, but when
the questioners insisted, the Prophet got
angry.

Why did Allah and Muhammad discourage
people from asking questions? What is Islam
trying to hide? Is blind faith the way to Islam?
Why did Muhammad become angry at those
who asked him questions? Why were people warned by Allah not to ask questions?
How is that in Islam, questioning can lead to
losing one’s faith? Does not this prove that even the right answers can lead to losing one’s faith in Islam?

Only an information control cult would
discourage anyone from asking questions. Is it
rational to accept any one religion as the true
religion without investigating or questioning it?
Surely not! Therefore, we will now question
Muslims about the teachings of Islam.

Now why was he angry? If really he didn't have a thing or two, why would he be angry? He shouldn't be angry that his congregation asked somethings to clarify themselves. It even shows muhammad needs to be asked questions if he was alive.

Now I put it that this is the reason why many muslims depart islam because they have not found an answer to this portion of the quran..or am I lying?

I want to know this because I feel the imams don't tell you everything. If christianity has a hidden agenda, I do not think the population of Christianity would have gotten to what it is today. That's how I see it. I want us to understand why allah would ask his children not to worry and if they still do, he would explain in plain text.... I don't see any form of encryption there else he has something to hide...does anyone concur with me here, pls feel free to say your own views.

Qpetz:
This verse prohibits the Muslims from asking about things they have no benefit in asking about, because if such matters appear to them it may be harmful to them and it will be difficult for them to hear it, like the person who asked the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ): ‘‘Where is my father (in the Hereafter)? The Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) replied: ‘‘In Hellfire.’’, or the person who asked about Hajj: ‘‘Is it every year, o Prophet of Allaah?’’, whereupon the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) replied: ‘‘No, and if I replied by ‘yes’, it would become an obligation on you to perform it every year and you will not be able to do so .’’
These examples are reported about the reasons for which the verse was revealed, and similar to this are the questions asked just in order to mock the person or to ask rigid questions without any benefit.
To conclude, this verse was revealed because of asking about things that have no benefit, or because of asking too much, or asking in order to mock, or test someone or to argue with him only for the sake of argument.
As regards asking the scholars about the matters of religion or asking people of experience about beneficial things in this worldly life, then this is not included in the probation of asking.

Don't you think in every religion on earth you should know the good and the bad side? Have you sat down to ask yourself questions?

@wordworld, don't type a long note next time, straight to the point.

Now I want you to define what you see as an irrelevant question that your Allah feels you shouldn't ask. Cos I don't see why a god would want to put that in the quran. There are also very derogatory statements in the quran of which I would also emphasise about.

One of the questions did your Allah see you and mixing with the Jews, and Christians as an irrelevant question? We need answers, what's your view on friendship with an atheist? Admits persecution from atheist, can you make them your friends, this I believe are not irrelevant questions and part of why I quoted the subject. Now let's hear you.

WORDWORLD:
Stating my terms clearly to you again. 'RELIGIOUS MIND' are mostly very rigid because of INDOCTRINATION.

I hope you will in the end be exceptional.

RELIGIOUS MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS, ATHEIST, DEMOCRATS,.............FEMINISTS e.t.c mostly carry a blocked mind but full of double standard.

Always defending EVEN wrong doings if perpetuated by them. A confliction against JUSTICE that is supposely a corner stone of the DOCTRINES of all these religions.

The world system is run anyway on no more than DOUBLE STANDARD.

Hence, we are mostly HYPOCRITES.

Well, for all I care the human faculty of reasoning is not meant to be blocked by DOGMA but meant to process new information and making good, wise judgements about perceptions.

"Hence, I am a sincere TRUTH seeker and not into RIVALRY OF IDEALOGY nor the sport called ARGUMENT. All I care about is the 'TRUTH'".

I just quoted myself again as a reminder so that you don't repeat the same mistake as you have written your thoughts in words thinking its an argument about who wins or who loses when you said "SO TO YOU, YOU WON AN ARGUMENT"

Its no more than a discussion aimed at a reasonable conclusion.

If TRUELY it is answers that you seek.

I for one do not take pleasure in the sport called ARGUMENT and no TRUTH SEEKER does. What we enjoy doing is DECONSTRUCTING a concept and looking at it from all sides stating the TRUTH of what it is by SINCERE EXAMINATION for the sake of LOGIC, JUSTICE, RATIONALITY and SOLUTION.

"Why would Allah ask you not to question about your religion?" ari3l

That was your curiosity which was based on a faulty premise because you didn't quote the whole verse but a part and making it seem as if its all in all.

"O ye who BELIEVE! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you may cause you TROUBLE......."

That is like giving a limitation to INQUISITIVITY.............which things are these that may cause YOU trouble when asked.

Or, what will be the conclusion of anyone who reads that alone without reading the whole of it?

But the continuation of the verse stated that the BELIEVERS in Islam of course, to whom the verse was being addressed to directly and specially are not being restricted to asking INFACT any questions at all.

The verse continues with:

"But if ye ASK about things when the Quran is being revealed they will be made plain to you"


Which answers your question by itself. That it does not say questions should not be asked by the BELIEVERS about Islam at all.

And as regards freedom of speech that is a whole different topic likewise the confusion of mostly today's Muslim.

In truth the world is such a confussion and i dont not deny the fact that Muslims of today as so CONFUSE. What is a fallacy is that their confussion has its root in the Quran.

Muslims mostly do not obey the Quran in todays world the emulate ideologies other than the instructions given by the Quran.

Their disobedience to the Quran is infact the root of their confussion.

So, what is ISLAM all about anyway. Is it not the about what is being revealed which translates to the religion. Which "but if ye ask questions about things when the Quran is being revealed (ISLAM) they will be made plain to you"

So, whatever QUESTION infact anyone is interested in asking should be within the context of what has been revealed. REVEALATION has come to an end. That is what it is saying.

Hence, the Quran is so open to questioning. Which the Quran also states clearly:

"AND NO QUESTION DO THEY BRING TO THEE BUT WE HAVE REVEAL TO THEE THE TRUTH AND THE BEST EXPLANATION (thereof). Quran 25: 33.

And so, The same verse which you quoted as your premise ends with "Allah will forgive those: For Allah is oft-forgiving most forbearing"

So, even if a BELIEVER due to his or her HONEST CURIOSITY should ask a question that if made plain may cause him or her trouble, Allah says He is oft-forgiving most forebearing" to such a BELIEVER.

So, it doesn't restrict QUESTIONS to be asked by the adherent of Islam but the INTENTION with which the question is being asked is all that matters.

For example,

The respose which Mose whom Muslims call Anabi Musa, a believer in ONE GOD, as acclaimed in the TEN COMMANDMENT. A prophet and a messenger of God and to whom God spoke, did not get the same treatment as like the childern of Israel.

They asked the same Questions which if made plain may cause them trouble.

Mose asked if he could see God likewise the children of Israel asked the same.

These are the kind of question being ADVICE TO REFRAIN from so that on such an account you don't end up losing your faith.

"Some people before you did asked such questions, and on that account lost their faith" Quran 5: 102

Refering to every thoughtless questions. So Islam doesnt encourage thoughtlessness which the ILLUSION called freedom of speech promotes.

Mose didn't eventually lose his faith in God but the Children of Israel did. They kept asking silly questions to the point of losing their faith.

So, what ever your intention for asking this question ari3l may GOD ALMIGHTY pay you back in full measure.

Its really about not asking SILLY questions with dubious intentions. That is what the whole verse is about.

The verse is SPECIALLY addressed to the believers because they are not expected to be asking the same kind of questions like those who do not believe.

THE QURAN IS 100% OPEN TO QUESTIONING AND HAS READY MADE ANSWERS WITHIN IT. YOUR QUESTION MUST BE ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN REVEALED.

I couldnt have read a book on farming and expect to question the authour about astronomy.

That is being thoughtless.

The judgement is that, that particular verse is addressed to believers who are expected to be thoughtful.

Its as simple as that.

Thank you.

The bolded. I want you to emphasise more on them. Why do you say so about the things I made bold.

The matter serious o. So if I ask questions, it's not suppose to be so, but if I still decide to know your Allah will make it plain, and forgive me...

I don't understand o,why would there be forgiveness when I decide to seek knowledge? Isn't it my civic right to know things I do not know?

ophy:
kapish?

You haven't said anything to prove me wrong.

christopher123:
From my position and non muslim, I feel that the passage encourages the muslim not to probe nor research but take everything HOOK, LINE AND SINKER....thats my own interpretation....


Just talking

It's obvious mohammed = Allah
Allah! = God.

Dawdy:
{O you who have believed, do not ask about things which, if they are shown to you, will distress you. But if you ask about them while the Quran is being revealed, they will be shown to you. Allaah has pardoned it [i.e. that which is past]; and Allaah is Forgiving and Forbearing. A people asked such [questions] before you; then they became thereby disbelievers.} [Quran 5:101-102]
This verse prohibits the Muslims from asking about things they have no benefit in asking about, because if such matters appear to them it may be harmful to them and it will be difficult for them to hear it, like the person who asked the Prophet : ‘‘Where is my father (in the Hereafter)? The Prophet replied: ‘‘In Hellfire.’’, or the person who asked about Hajj: ‘‘Is it every year, o Prophet of Allaah?’’, whereupon the Prophet replied: ‘‘No, and if I replied by ‘yes’, it would become an obligation on you to perform it every year and you will not be able to do so .’’
These examples are reported about the reasons for which the verse was revealed, and similar to this are the questions asked just in order to mock the person or to ask rigid questions without any benefit.
To conclude, this verse was revealed because of asking about things that have no benefit, or because of asking too much, or asking in order to mock, or test someone or to argue with him only for the sake of argument.
As regards asking the scholars about the matters of religion or asking people of experience about beneficial things in this worldly life, then this is not included in the probation of asking.
Allaah Knows best.

Why would allah speak to his messenger to talk to his followers and when his messenger seek knowledge being an all knowing father of the Muslims, he beseech them not to ask. I don't see why secrets should be in a religion. Don't you think so? Else the bible would be hidden from us and we would even do worse things than now.

Allah is suppose to be open to his children not saying that his children shouldn't worry and if they do it would be shown plain. If I tell you that all is well when all isn't, and u find out that all isn't well would you ever listen to me again? Be honest.

These are questions I ask and I want to find answers to. Why would your Allah say some things should be kept secret?
My bible says seek and ye shall find,knock and the door shall be opened, why is it different in your Quran?

WORDWORLD:
YOU HAVE BEEN VERY ABUSIVE IS THAT MORALITY? IS SUCH GOING TO BE FOUND ADMIRABLE IN ATTRACTING FOLLOWERSSHIP?

Religiousity has always being "DO AS I SAY AND NOT AS I DO"


The major reason why the world has always being bleeding at our feet is because of the religious minds.

VERY UNFORTUNATE THAT THE WORLD IS DISEASED BY SUCH A PLAQUE.

Religiousity is not the same as Righteousness and your trying to deceive people by quote a part of a verse that in its context and fullness answers your question itself is no more than trying to misled people who are ignorant of the Quran.

And what do you stand to gain.

Why dont you enlighten people about the virtues of what ever it is that is your belief instead of WANDERING IN YOUR DELIBRATE CONJECTURE.



Thank you.

Then answer the question like someone who hasn't run out of his mind. Which one u day, I asked a question, and I said "we need answers" na insult I insult you for there, define abusive here.

DeathStroke007:
I can't blame you.. Most una are educated illitrate..



What that verse is saying is very plain and straight forward.




DO NOT QUESTION WHAT IS CLEAR TO YOU BECAUSE IT WILL LEAD YOU ASTRAY.




for example jesus, Jesus never say he's god but u call him god despite the fact that it's clear that he's not god



Also is the issue of son of god, son of god plenty yapa in Bible but u say he's Born by god.


That's why una lost.

When Annunaki starts hauling insults at you, you say Christians are this, christians are that, other than make a point clear, na to talk rubbish you sabi.
Woman wrapper, see how u day answer woman out of frustration, and you want to get married? Smh.

Oga, answer a question without bias like the other guy and betatron. Woman wrapper, jihadist.

ophy:
I need a simple truth. Would you accept defeat if proven wrong.... nah I don't think so

Yes I would. ONLY if you can prove me wrong.

WORDWORLD:
So we can continue from here. As i said my initial
examaination is your mind frame. Now that you have given me an insight of what is in it. Obviously i can now continue with further answering your question.

A very simple question that has already answered itself.

Its a forum and on the net. The world can access it.So it ll be
profitable to those who care for UNDERSTANDING.

Kindly be patient with me. And also i have always known that its typical of a religious mind to respond as you just did. Its a trait but not of RIGHTEOUSNESS.

When you were Quoting a part of a verse to suit your
misinterpretation what were you thinking?

THAT YOU ARE BEING TRUTHFUL? DID YOU SAY I CALLED YOU A LIAR? JUDGE YOURSELF.

You really are sick in the head. I swear, you need to see a doctor. I put those dots there yes because I want to ask questions about the first part, that part I said we need answers. Your judgement is why didn't I put the complete one, so to you you won an argument.
Now I believe what this guy was saying once, if a muslim lies to you, you would doubt your sanity, I really see the traits in you.
You said something some minutes ago and you forget? Is this what you preach to your congregation in mosque? Is this what you tell them before salaamat?

Ism4b:
don't tell me you are afraid that he can answer all ur questions that's why you are trying to pursue him out of the threat. if you are really in need of a genuine answer why don't you continue asking your questions and forget how he treats you and to me he treats you nicely.

#peace

Did I send betatron away from the thread? You talk like a drunk you know that. I said we need answers, that rubbish he wrote on there does it in anyway correlate to d question I asked, he even noticed his fumbling and you coming here to support sheepishly because someone called islam.
Your likes are the ones who give your islam a bad name. Shows you don't have an answer to give, give an answer let's argue. Lets put ourselves right, or are you afraid we would insult islam? You insult Christians too remember,so why the fúck you Wonna claim holy as thou now?

D

WORDWORLD:
@ ari3l

It is good that I tell you first and foremost where I SINCERELY stand.

I stand for a one standard judgement which is 'TRUTH'. I don't know how to MANIPULATE peoples mind nor encourage such art of deceiving people into believing a CONJECTURE.

It doesn't make me feel good nor does it make our world any better.

"Just because something isn't a LIE does not mean that it isn't DECEPTIVE. A liar knows that he (she) is a LIAR, but one who speaks mere portions of TRUTH in order to DECEIVE is a CRAFTMAN OF DESTRUCTION" Criss Jami

@ari3l did you not quote just a portion of the verse and then ignore the whole TRUTH. Was it delibrate?

I am not on this social network to defend Muslims, Christains .........feminist e.t.c

I choose to be an Explorer of thoughts and not a Wanderer in confusion. Weren't we all born into this world without having known anything but being infused with certain NARRATIVES and BELIEFS while helpless a little child with no choice?

Hence, is it WISE to hold firm to beliefs which one by himself or herself did not discover through CONVICTION by our personal exploration of alternatives.

i mean holding firmly to what we found our parents practicing. Basing once FAITH on ties of relationship because my parents are Atheist, Budist, Muslims, Christains rather than on DISCOVERY, CONFIRMATION AND CONVICTION and EVIDENCES is having no faith at all but SENTIMENTS.

Hence, i am a SINCERE TRUTH SEEKER and i am not into RIVALRY of ideaology nor the sport called ARGUMENT. All i care about is the 'TRUTH'. And I am here for ENLIGHTENMENT and a RESPECTFUL DISCUSSION. I assume you are a Christain. I will enjoy a morally upright discussion so that we can arrive at a reasonably conclusion to answering your question.

So, @ ari3l,

Is it UNDERSTANDING you seek for and that is why you have asked this your question?

Well, from your writting it seems that all that you want to show is that there isn't freedom of speech in Islam.

Secondly, to tell that the level of confussion of Muslims is STRICTLY based on the Quran.

WELL THESE TWO CHARGES ARE FALSE.
 
I have a Quran with detailed commentary and have been studying it METICULOUSLY. Case by case. Seeking for what is 'PLAIN' and not 'AMBIGUITY. Even the biography of Prophet Muhammad too and so many other literatures that criticize Islam and i have also been consulting Islamic scholars. ALL WITH A PLAIN MIND THAT IS NOT SUBJECTIVE BUT OBJECTIVE.

So, when i saw the verse which you quoted and inorder to increase in knowledge. I quickly went to the Quran to check.

I WAS SO ASTONISHED TO FIND OUT THAT YOU DIDNT QUOTE THE WHOLE OF THE VERSE TO THE END WHICH BY ITSELF ALREADY ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.

I am no more than someone who defends the 'TRUTH'. No matter the source. As long as its the TRUTH i will always STATE IT.

So, the TRUTH is that you have quoted that verse half way,

"MERE PORTION OF TRUTH IN ORDER TO DECEIVE IS A CRAFTMANSHIP OF DESTRUCTION" reminding you of an earlier quote.

So am speaking on behalf of TRUTH and not the Muslims.

Hence, you quoted .

"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble........"

AS IF IT IS AN EXCLUSIVITY, COMMANDING BELIEVERS IN ISLAM NOT TO ASK QUESTIONS.

But the same verse continues as thus, which you didn't quote:

"BUT IF YE ASK ABOUT THINGS WHEN THE QURAN IS BEING REVEALED, THEY WILL BE MADE PLAIN TO YOU, ALLAH WILL FORGIVE THOSE: FOR ALLAH IS OFT- FORGIVING, MOST FORBEARING" Quran 5:104.


THE VERSE HAS ANSWERED ITSELF.

It did not say EXCLUSIVELY not to ask questions but related answering this questions as the Quran is gradually being revealed.

The Quran was revealed in stages and mostly for anwering quetions.


IF TRUELY YOU ARE SINCERE AND BEING JUST AND INTERESTED IN PEACE YOU CAN'T SAY OTHERWISE.

the continuation of the verse states "BUT IF"

"I always ask questions where ever I go. So, I'm asking what do muslims have to say here" quoting you.

The Quran responds as thus:

"AND NO QUESTION DO THEY BRING TO THEE BUT WE REVEAL TO THEE THE TRUTH AND THE BEST EXPLANATION (thereof) Quran 25 : 33

Await Qurans best Explanation from what i have SINCERELY LEARNT if it is understanding that you seek and not ideological rivalry which is totally IMMATURE AND UNHEALTH for the development on humanity.

For now, I have only drawn your attention to what you have done which my Atheist mentor Eric Hoffer taught me. In his words, he said about what you just did.

"Right now it seems that they who have a truth to reveal also have a lie to hide".

I WILL BE EXPLAINING DETAILFULLY VERY VERY SOON. I WANT TO FURTHER PERCEIVE YOUR FIRSTLY YOUR MIND FRAME WITH WHAT EVER YOUR RESPONSE MIGHT BE.

There is no point wasting time with people who are not ready to live and let others live.

Thank you.

1. You called me a liar, because I didn't complete a verse.
2. You scribble total bullshit because you want credibility.

Lemme take it from there. I seek knowledge and if you don't have knowledge to give back, pls swerve, this is a forum, don't I have a right to ask and someone give me his reply, we argue over it, state differences and say our minds, what's wrong with you? This nonsense you wrote here does it look like an answer to you, or you want to feel high and dine like someone who shut a christian up, what's wrong with you?
Betatron who has started to answer me, to you is stupíd right? Obvious you didn't have a heck to say, why not keep quiet and leave, no be by force to comment for thread way woman open.

Notice me, shior

BETATRON:
like I said the mummified egyptian pharaoh's body who drowned in the red sea was discovered around 1898 and I stand to b corrected

Never said science is born of islam....only tryna let you know that a lot of truths existed in the koran which were only discovered in the 21st century with the aid of sophisticated instrument

Talking about islamic inventors and scientists

1-ibn sina(avicenna)-father of modern medicine
2-abu al-qasim al-zahrawi-father of modern surgery
3-ibn al-haytham-- optics
4-abu wafa buzjani--trigonometry
5-jabir ibn hayyan-father of chemistry

The list goes on and on

Ha betatron,which one you day. The pharos body was found and thier culture and custom demands that they must embalm his body before he's buried don't you think so? Abi islamic right sef follow for that one?

Father of Chemistry
http://chemistry.about.com/od/historyofchemistry/a/Who-Is-The-Father-Of-Chemistry.htm

Trigonometry
http://www.ask.com/math/invented-trigonometry-cf89037dabeea21a

I don't need to read the rest. Your claims are not real. Make your research before you come here. Don't make this atheists laugh at you trying to give islam credibility.

BETATRON:
speaking of miracles and prophecies...taking the best of the holy koran

Below are a list of its miracles

1-the mummification of pharaoh-- Today we will
preserve your body so you can be a Sign for
people who come after you. Surely many people
are heedless of Our Signs." (Qur'an, 10:91-92)---the mummified pharaoh was discovered year after this revelation

2-21st century science "expanding of the universe"--- And the heaven, We built it with
craftsmanship and We are still expanding.--koran51 vs 47----koran told us this about 1500 years again

3- 1500year old challenge to mankind--And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto ; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides God, if your (doubts) are true.-quran2vs23

If you don't call these miracles I'm sure you didn't cause you need a better description for it....be in a jiffy to complete it

Egyptian mummies!
The embalming of pharos and noblemen of ancient Egypt? Who told you it has something to do with islam? And who also told you that science was / is born of islam? Name one inventor of science in islam let's hear you!

Islam is 1400 years old, not 1500 years old. Don't confuse yourself.

Hmmmm I'm moved o

Awon okurin bastardi!
Oloshi oloriburuku. Fling my children from bus oloriburuku le leyi sha..

BETATRON:
if I understand you clearly here is the reply to your question

...The verse above address the BELIEVER..one who is convinced about the doctrines of the religion understands it and accepts it as the right path...such a person would have ask all logical questions which ultimately leads to his acceptance of the religion...although it is still obligatory that such a person keep seeking for knowledge

So the verse is only against irrelevant questions,, not scholarly questions....please kindly read the previous post carefully and be a bit laconic when quoting me please kinda busy

You can reply at your free time, don't run away.
Why not scholary questions too? You have to know everything about a religion before you dive into it, no question is irrelevant, not so?

Mrbigman1:
Until u seek help, u'd forever remain thesame.

And for woman u re, I pity you who tells a man to shut up in public.

Peace be with u

You day fine sorry. Eyah, I no be your babe you hear. Thank you, you as a man that doesnt know how to behave nko *hiss* shior.

BETATRON way day talk he stupìd ba? I opened a thread, we want answers come in and say what is meaningful you day feel like alfa, like as if I care. Mxm. Maybe you don't understand freedom of speech, I do.

BETATRON:
..lol...you'll be fit for the post of security oh..just kidding

Back to the verse

It is known that islam is a religion unlike many others which welcomes dialogues,questions,debates and reasoning...the prophet is narrated to have said "ask me ask me before you loss me" imam Ali is narrated to have said " knowledge is the lost property of a believer pick it up where-ever you find it",, it is also a famous narration from the prophet that he said "seek knowledge from cradle to gave,,and seek knowledge even it be in china"

The koran is also known to support intellectual and scholarly endeavors in many verses..some of which include

1-“Recite: In the name of thy Lord who created man
from a clot. Recite: And thy Lord is the Most
Generous Who taught by the pen, taught man that
which he KNEW not.” (Quran, 96:1-5)

2-“And they shall say had we but listened or used
REASON, we would not be among the inmates of the
burning fire.” (Quran, 67:10)

3--“Are those who have knowledge and those who have no knowledge alike? Only the men of understanding are mindful. ” (Quran, 39:9)

So what is koran5vs101 speaking about

Koran5vs101 speaks about irrelevant and unneeded questions, questions which would only cause arm and do no good..example of such question is asking where once dead wife,mother et al is in(paradise or hell) such questions could cause arm if it is revealed to the person for instance that these people are in hell...other such questions is what the koran speaks of in the above verse...not the general search for knowledge

I don't believe you BETATRON.
So if I know something is wrong about my religion, I should blindly stay there? Even in the church, we are warned about hell. Our preacher talks to us to receive God and be just in his ways, don't you think that it was because of the way catholics were, that there wasn't a form of one voice that gave birth to Anglican today? And Anglican hasn't split further because there seems to be one voice and the theories are put clearly before everyone. So is christianity in present day. If we are not okay with your doctrines and preaching, we have the right to ask, and we demand answers. That's why most of our christian ruled nations are like would I say forward and most islamic nations backward. They follow the laws of what thier rulers tell them or whatever thier imams say be it good or bad.

This is what I'm thinking, and I know so many people on here would think the same.
Let's hear you now.

BETATRON:
are there muslims who have really understand the koran who have really read koranic teachings turning toward atheism? The sincere response is no....I'm ain't saying there are no ex-muslim atheist but if you compare with the christian its in the ratio of 1 to 1000

You don day lie o. I don day see am, ya lying. So with all these isis happenings you still claim these people don't leave islam and become atheist for sometime? Is that what you are saying?

BETATRON:
lol....99.9% of atheist are ex-christians not just ex-christians but christians who have really read the bible,,although some exist with other reasons for turning towards atheism but the majority turned towards atheism after objectively reading the bible and making in-debt research of historic events during the anno-domini(a.d)

Lol Al taquiya alert. With the level of muslims leaving islam in droves, you say there are no atheist in islam? Hmm very interesting o .

Mrbigman1:
U need help

Shut up if you don't have a thing or two to contribute. Lousy muslim.

BETATRON:
speaking of statistics,,about 10% of the world's population are atheists and about 15% are atheists in america..atheism is also raising exponentially in africa....now kindly get your pen and paper find the population of the world and then find the population of 10% of the world and see for yourself..ok 1,2,,5,10, to 100 revert to christianity deduct this number and see how insignificant it is when compared to the number of atheist around the world.....why has christianity succeeded in training and raising atheists?

Let's have your say

Prove the bolded.

Mrbigman1:
[s]Bro, religion is faith and faith is believing with out doubt.

When u ask questions about a particular things den u off d realm and for faithfuls, it is called blasphemy or sin against the holy spirit.

And by faith we re saved not by testing and knowing.

So free other people religion and face ur own, Christianity is not free from same quotation and mind u who say Allah, Allah means God in someone's language, so mind how u use his name in vain. [/s]

-80.

You talk like a child. What are you? 5 years?

facheux:
[s]What about the 3.5 million Nigerians exported during the crusaders slave trade. And who knows how many Nigerians killed by these Christo fascist slavers.

Source: US Library Of Congress
http://countrystudies.us/nigeria/7.htm[/s]

-50.

The most stupíd thread I have seen in a lifetime. How do the two correlate?

too scared to answer.
Hmmm we need answers o