vedaxcool: to conclude on anjem, naturally extremists think alike, hence you would notice extremists christians would naturally be attracted to Anjem they would insist on his extremist views as being valid despite the fact that mainstream muslim have long distanced themselves from his type. But we know pigs would always dance in a pool of stool.

Islam4UK and its leader Anjem Choudary
do not represent or speak for Islam or
British Muslims but are a "platform" for
the extremist movement al-Muhajiroun.
There is no room for such kind of people
or their organisations in our community
or the peaceful religion of Islam.
Dr. Wazqar Azmi OBE of British Muslim Forum

Choudary has been largely criticised by most UK
newspapers, some of whom describe him as an
extremist. In January 2010, Guardian contributor
Mehdi Hasan wrote: "Is Choudary an Islamic scholar
whose views merit attention or consideration? No.
Has he studied under leading Islamic scholars?
Nope. Does he have any Islamic qualifications or
credentials? None whatsoever. So what gives him
the right to pontificate on Islam, British Muslims or
'the hellfire'? Or proclaim himself a 'sharia judge'?",
and claimed that Choudary was "as
unrepresentative of British Muslim opinion, as he is
of British anti-war opinion."[66]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjem_Choudary

Yet there is an ignorant individual who despite not knowing anything about anjem has insisted that his views are right under Islam, despite the fact anjem has no qualification, nor right of speaking on Islam. I tried painting a scenario from real events that shows how wrong it is to base any credible opinion on anjem using actions of pastors, yet this individual continues to insist on being so sure of his views while dodging his pastors vile behavior. This sort of person assumes he is educated but certainly education missed his way back in school. it has been fun though making him repeat himself like a skipping cd.

Mehdi Hasan wrote: "Is Choudary an Islamic scholar whose views merit attention or consideration? No. Has he studied under leading Islamic scholars? Nope. Does he have any Islamic qualifications or credentials? None whatsoever. So what gives him
the right to pontificate on Islam, British Muslims or 'the hellfire'? Or proclaim himself a 'sharia judge'?",

You asked all the above questions concerning Anjem because you don'agree with his view. Are you aware that the ISIS leader met all these requirements? Do you also consider him a fake muslim? Haven't you read how the wahabi faction of sunni muslim was established in suadi arabia that follow the same pattern with ISIS? I am very sure you dont understand arabic or Islam than the ISIS leader or the grand mufti of saudi arabia who said and I quote, 'no church must be seen in the arabian peninsula'.

You equally dont understand islam more that the imams in sudan, iran, saudi arabia etc who said the penalty for apostasy is death. It is only in islam that the penalty for leaving is death. That a devilish policy bro!

Islam supports violence bro, read the sunna of the prophet and stop applyin altaqiyya here, many of us hav come to see the ugly faces of islam via the internet. If a pastor commits a crime, he didnt do that because Jesus did it. If muslims kill and ask the infidels to convert by force or pay jizya, they follow the example of islamic prophet.

vedaxcool: Pastors practicing Christianity according to arsenwenger;

see 24 four pastors who molested vunerable kids


What is up with these holy rollers and their rapey pastors? The Tennessean reports that the Gallatin, Tenn. Police arrested Roy Neal Yoakem, pastor at the New Gospel Outreach Church in Scottsdale, Ky., for raping a 14-year-old boy in his congregation. Yoakem allegedly assaulted the boy once at church and once in at this pastor of disaster’s home in Gallatin.

The police department told reporters Yoakem is in jail and faces four charges: Aggravated statutory rape, sexual battery by an authority figure, statutory rape by an authority figure, and fugitive from justice.

Wait, what do they mean Yoakem’s a “fugitive from Justice?” It turns out, this isn’t the first time Yoakem has assaulted and raped underage boys.

Yoakem’s on record as a convicted sex offender whose rap sheet includes a 2005 conviction for the secondary sexual assault of an eight-year-old boy. He is a registered sex offender in Gallatin, Tenn. — where he has an address — but not in the state of Kentucky.

Gallatin Police Department spokesman Bill Storment told reporters that Yoakem had registered as a sex offender in Tennessee, but also should have done so in Kentucky.
Church Hires Convicted Rapist Pastor Because ‘God Forgave Him,’ Guess What Happens Next? (Video)

Remeber to use the word of asrsenalwenger, these pastors know Christianity and Jesus more than all NL christians ... some even have direct link which speak to god.

I hope commonsense would prevail.

Bros you are getting it wrong. Anjem chauodary is a leading Islamic figure in the UK. He has never been arrested for commiting any crime, he only preaches Islam according to the sunnah of the prophet. Those 'pastors' you listed above did what is bad and punishable by law and their actions are not backed-up by the teachings and actions Jesus.

On the other hand, Anjem chaodary claim that violence is part and parcel of islam according to the quran (quran 9:29) and the hadith and are backed up by the word and actions of the prophet. Did the prophet engage in the act of war? Yes. Did he capture slave women after his victories? Yes. Did he command muslims to fight infidels until they accept allah as the only true God and mohammed his prophet? Yes.

I wonder why you can't say a simple truth. Anjem is saying the truth concerning pure Islam and you are here denying an obvious fact.

The same way mohammed had mercy on aisha (a kid of 6) when he (at 51) got married to her.

Ya, the prophet is so merciful to kids.

Tho' xtains and the west in general have their flaws, they are far more better than the hypocrite and al-taqiyya arab-muslims whose daily lives are spents on hate, lies, and killing of infidels. No wonder arabs are one of the poorest races on earth despite the large oil revenue (being embezzled by their leaders and grand muftis and ayatollahs).

It is shocking that muslims will complain of discrimination while they are the master in the art. Can a xtain hold an office in saudi arabia or iran?

muhsin: Please see the attached. To me, it explains so much about the identity of the infamous ISIL. They need to as well convert to Islam before asking others to. Most, if not all, of their activities contravene Islamic teachings.

Go and read the hadith and the sunna of the prophet concerning how infidels should be treated among the larger muslim population, and make your comparison with the activities of ISIS.

I can count many verses of the koran, many hadith and the sunnah of the prophet that encourage aggressions against the infidels and non-muslims. Uthman dan fodio, kanem bornu, the mali songhia, all establish islam in west africa via war and aggression.

ISIS and Boko haram became an out-lawed group only because the modern era easily exposes them through social media and international media coverage which were not in existence during the prophet and uthman dan fodio era.

Empiree: watch it or leave it

Truth is always hard for muslims to handle, especially when told about the life of the prophet. From the wars he fought against his perceived infidels, his slave trading and taking, his mass killing of meccan Jews, his many wives, se.x slaves and concubines, his hatred for the xtains and Jews (quran 5:51), etc.

Truth is always hard for muslims to handle.

Empiree:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zwr5Y88VodQ&list=WL&index=78

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM9-NutpdJc&list=WL&index=79

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gm1opxIBKg&list=WL&index=80

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InZfshlqrKQ&index=81&list=WL

I believe you are learned in your religion. You can make your point without a youtube video.

maclatunji:

Well, I am going to help you with your condition even if many of your assertions are either myopic or outrightly false.

Marrying first cousin is an ince,st in our african society.

It is a criminal offense for a christian or a Jew to own or carry a bible in saudi arabia. Bible is an illegal material in saudi.

African culture is traditionally against child marriage while the age difference bw the prophet and aisha is 45 years (according to islamic sources),

Any saudi citizen that leaves islam for christianity, or any other religion, will face a death penalty. This only happen in a cult where there is no other option once you join.

Islam teaches cultural supremacy and are always at war will other cultures or religions where both of them mix or meet. We never heard christians fighting hindus in India, we never heard christians fighting bhudist in china, we never heard christians bombing mosques in Nigeria. You understand what im saying here.

No other religion in the entire world is advertising its religion to be a religion of peace, except Islam. This is an image laundary statement: I AM WHITE FORGET ABOUT MY BLACK SKIN.

Empiree: may God of Abraham deliver us from the shackles of ignorance and deceit from among jinnkind and mankind.

May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacoc deliver us from the shackles of ignorance and deceit from jinnkind and mankind.

vedaxcool:

Does this sound similar . . . Rev.King understand Christianity better than all NL christians, He speaks the truth as contained in the Bible.

Pls do not condemn him from saying the truth. And remember he is a devout and practicing christian known Nationally all over Nigeria!

I hope you see the futility of your reasoning? But if you don't there is little I can do to help.

Can you confirm any of rev king's words or actions that can be attributable to the teachings or actions of Jesus? Rev king is a known thief using christianity as a cover.

Anjem chaudary words and teachings are very compatible with the live of the prophet. Is it the war doctrine, sharia in the UK doctrine, child bride doctrine, islam take-over of UK doctrine\illusion? Anjem's teachings are all compatible with the sunnah of the prophet.

Recently world powers asked the arab to form a military coalition to defeat ISIS, but the sunni dominated arab and muslim world are reluctant to do that. This is because muslims are not koranically permitted to fight their fellow muslims.

The western powers, tryin to fool the muslim world in order to gain their support against ISLAMIC STATE, are singing that 'ISIS are not true islam', 'they do not represent large numbers of peaceful muslims'. However the muslim world do not buy into the western power's hypocrisy hence they refuse to mobilize force against the ISIS.

The muslim world will go against the koran if they fight the ISLAMIC STATE.

Empiree:
@bold, really? and what's stopping you from accepting it if you "fully understand" it?. As for answer you want, your question is technically stupi.d. Why dont you take flight to iraq and ask those fellas who they really are and what their mission is rather than bothering innocent people here?. I actually chose to not answer arsenalwenger on purpose. He seems to make sense than you but I wanted him to take a "tour search".

No sane person will accept a religios teaching that sanctions the killing of infidels as a religious duty. No logical person will sanction a religion that sees nothing wrong for a 54 year old man to sleep with a 9 year old girl. No sane african can accept a religion that approve marryin a first cousin, it is incest to African culture and good in islamic and arab culture.
I wont accept a religion that teach pupils, from their childhood, to view xtains and Jews as eternal enemies. I wont accept a religion that is widely known to have conqured lands, via war, before establishing mini-caliphates, especially in africa and asia.

vedaxcool: Anjem is speaking his own desires may Allah guide to the right path that is, if it is true.


Click the link below to read the position on the majority of muslims

www.nairaland.com/1843878/shocking-reason-why-muslims-dont

Anjem choudary understands islam better than all NL muslims. He speaks the truth as contained in the koran.

Pls do not condemn him for saying the truth. And remember, he is still a devout and a practicing muslim known globally.

truthman2012:

Every reasonable reader would have noticed that allah is not stable. He says Christians will have reward in heaven and again only islam is acceptable to him. How do you reconcile the two? Allah is very manipulative to deceive the muslims. What a pity?

allah is a manipulative arabian idol exhorted as a god. Anywhere allah is memtioned, wat you see is killing and destruction of 'infidels'.

Ask the ISIS leader or anjem chaudry (a british-pakistani muslims zealout), you will get an honest answer. NL muslims are here to whitewash and launder islamic mess.

BossTtdiamonds:

So you copied the entire story without crediting the source/original owner of the article..
You're one big thief you know every heard of Plagiarism? Ooops I totally forgot, You're a Muslim...

One funny part is you take your time to dig stories written by brain washed morons. Let's see how far you get with this.

Funny enough you discredit the Bible so much, yet you are so quick to run to the same Bible you say contradicts itself to justify you blood suckin' Muhammad.

Edit: blood suckin' Muham MAD (peace be upon me).

Empiree: Okay, now you seem to make sense. I hope you will think and respond intelligently. My responses in blue
I hope I am not biased in my responses. Listen bro, it's deep than meet the eyes. Just that our christian brothers are too arrogant but definitely not all of them. I much prefer talking to Orthodox Christians. They reason. They study eschatology. Their and our eschatology are almost the same with some differences. Quran speaks and hadith speaks also a lot on current events.

Note: there are muslims who join those crazies. They in fact, faithfully and sincerely believe they for right cause. They are just blind and that's their problem. If you pay close attention since arab uprising, the same freaking people are supported by secular west against muslim govt like Gaddafi and Assad. Then, they were "freedom fighters" and now they are "caliphate" to terrorists. OPEN YOUR EYES WIDE, PAL

Do you have koranic verses, alhadith and the sunna to back-up your response since the ISIS are backing up their actions with the afore-mentioned islamic materials? Note that their leader has a phd in islamic studies (with the information i have), so he is an xpert in islamic knowledge\teachings\escathology and also a devout muslim.

As I said earlier, muslims world over will usually go to the street protesting, burning and killing anytime the prophet is insulted, the koran is desecrated or Islam is spoken against. So if ISIS is not an Islamic group, why cant muslims also violently protest on the street condemning the activities of the ISIS.

Empiree: You are not that smart. If you are, you would know this is admonition, and perhaps, proverb. Subject of ilm Akhir zaman is sensitive one. Care must be taken while studying it. The thing is many of you christian people only intend to mock. I knew that from day one and that's exactly what you've being doing. So i better just mute.

The topic is: Is ISIS\ISIL Islamic?

It is expected of you to shed more light on the activities of this Islamic 'calipahte' terrorist and proove that they do not serve the interest of the larger muslims population (especially the sunni muslims in iraq and syria).

Your unbiased and objective contribution will be welcome.

cloudstar:

Go and sit down Bros - your religious leanings does not make you objective. So, it is the Judeo-Christian alliance that cut off the head of the two American journalist abi? Or they are ones responsible for the mass executions ISIL and Boko Haram are responsible for? Pathetic!

It is the Judeo-christian alliance (quran 5:51) that made the sunnis (ISIS finances by saudi arabia and qatar) slaughter the shia in iraq (finance by iran).

I have seen violent protest whenever the prophet is insulted. I have seen street protest whenever islam is spoken against. I have seen killings as a result the desecration of the koran. I have heard of blaphemy law to protect the prophet and islam from being spoken against. I have seen street protest against the israeli 'occupation' of palenstine.

I am yet to see any violent protest by muslims (as being done anytime islam or the prophet or the koran is insulted) against the killings perpetrated by ISIS on the infidels and shia muslims (considered apostates). I have not heard that fatwa has been issued against the leadership of ISIS for misrepresenting islam.

INJESUSNAME: Islam was never and can never be peaceful; muhammed fought till he died and muslims must continue to fight as Genesis 16:12 predicted. Islam is a spirit, when it enters yu ,yu become a 'wild man' and descedant of ishmael, just like anyone dat accepts Jesus becomes the son of God and descendant of Isaac. Until Jesus comes, 'no peace for d wicked saith d Lord'. Islam is antiChrist, yet has its own fake isa, musa, daud etc. All my confusion about which book tells d truth about Jesus, moses, Abraham etc went away d moment i realised allah (satan) is a lier who always decieves men to bow to him rather than to God. Imagin a sane man bowing to a stone structure! Here yu are defending a man dat married a 9yr old child, raided caravans like highway robber etc.

Gen 16:12, He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."

This above prophesy is for the generation of Ishmael, the present-day arabs or muslims, who will be in perpetual conflict with the world wherever they find themselves. This prophesy was pronounced long before islam came to light.

Islamic hostility can never stop if the bible on tnis matter is true.

cloudstar:

I get it Bro and here is my official response to you FROM THE QURAN ITSELF ON THIS MATTER. I will summarize the entire ISIS ideology in a few verses from the Quran

1. Surah 3:32 = Say; Obey Allah and the Apostle; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love unbelievers

Here is the Quran stating that only obedient Muslims are to be loved by Allah. Any wonder why ISIS/ISIL doesn't love non-muslims and other Muslims i.e. Shia/Shittes they consider heretics?

2. Surah 48:29 = Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are severe against unbelievers, and merciful among themselves.

Any wonder why ISIS is so severe against non-muslims? Stupid Politicians come out and complain when they have no idea about Islamic teachings. Our muslim brothers on NL want us to believe that it's an interpretation problem - unfortunately for your likes, we know how to read and it's clear that this is a teaching from the Quran. Let us see ways true Muslims can be severe and how Mohammad taught Muslims

3. Surah 4:24 = Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hand possess.

This Surah wouldn't make sense until we put it in it's historic context. Read the context in Abu Dawud 2150. When Mohammad won the battle of Altas, Allah had already revealed that Muslims were free to rape their female captives i.e. Surah 23:1-6, 33:50, 70:22-30. In Altas, the Muslim army captured certain women along with their husbands. Some of the Muslims wondered if it was adultery to rape these women since their husbands where there and they were married. So they approached Mohammad and asked him. It was at this juncture that Surah 4:24 was revealed. Allah said as long as they are your captives you can rape them all you want and it's not adultery, Allah couldn't conceivably care less if they were married. Have you heard about any groups raping their female captives? Ah Ha - ISIS/ISIL

What about people that try to stop the Islamic state from establishing Sharia? Here is what the Quran says:

4. Surah 5:33 = The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement.

Notice that there are several penalties such as murder, crucifixion and disembowment. Since the crime is "vague", Muslims can choose any punishment they want. Making mischief can be a common as being of another faith and not believing in Allah. ISIL/ISIS crucify and decapitate people all the time - do we see any similarities here?

5. Surah 9:5 = When the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters where you find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful

So kill them unless they convert to Islam - sound familiar? Since idolaters have to convert or die, you might be wondering why ISIS gives Christians a 3rd option, the option to pay jizyah - tribute money. The explanation is below

6. Surah 9:29 = Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay they Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

So the benefit of been a Christian or a Jew is not necessarily that you will be slaughtered for refusing to convert, you have the option of paying tribute/protection money in acknowledgement of your inferiority. Is it just me or is ISIS following the Quran to the letter?

Moving forward, ISIS/ISIL also attacks "muslims" as well not only non-muslims; why is that?

7. Surah 9:73 = O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination

In arabic, "Strive Hard" if a form of Jihad. So muslims are commanded to wage jihad not only against unbelievers but also against hypocrites i.e. people who claim to be Muslims but aren't going what Allah commanded them. The punishment of hypocrisy varies but can well be considered Apostates when they deviated from core Islamic beliefs. We all know the penalty for apostasy is death in Islam. So, when ISIS kill Muslims who are not adhering to the true form of Islam, it shouldn't come as a surprise as it is a commandment of Allah

But what about all the peaceful, westernized Muslims who condemn killing in the name of Allah. Sadly, Islam is not created by westernized muslims, it is created by Allah and this is what he has to say:

8. Surah 9:111 = Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden, they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain.

Allah defines believers as those who slay and get slain. They keep killing until they get killed. Doesn't sound much like our peaceful Muslim neighbors but sounds heck like a lot similar to ISIS

We all hear that Muslims are peaceful and have several Muslims posed questions to groups like ISIS "How can you call yourselves Muslims when Islam says there is no compulsion in religion"

The "peaceful" verses were revealed before Allah commanded his followers to slay or be slain, to subjugate Jews and Christians, to rape and carry away war booty, to fight hypocrites. So, to understand ISIS and Islam in general, we need to understand the laws and instructions of abrogation. Peaceful and co-existance verses were abrogated or cancelled by later verses. So, version of Islam and that goes for some of our Muslim brothers on NL that opposes the violence of the Islamic State are now OBSOLETE.

9. Surah 2:106 = We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?

Again, the action of radical Muslims is and has always been clearly defined in the Quran. I haven't even touched the Hadiths because I know Muslims are quick to claim that some Hadiths are weak. All I have asked you is to be objective and give an objective answer

Lol. This is dangeruosly funny.

maclatunji:

"If" wishes were horses, beggars might ride.

They keyword there is "If", totally conditional, based on your biases, not on facts. To this extent, you have no valid point.

Bros u need to take a course on demographic distribution from a larger population, and note that 5% is the world standard for hypothesis testing to determine whether a test is null or not. The sample of 5% is always used in determining the general characteristic of a population.

You can never get an accurate population from any cluster group (like radical muslims among moderate muslims). I based the estimate of 5% as the smallest mininum average radicals we can get from a 100% muslims community (the % might or will be higher).

Note that this analysis was based on the fact that most 'moderate' muslims have always write to condemn ISIS as 'non muslims, extremist or radical muslims'. It is not we christians that did the categorization, but the moslem world, in order to tell us that islam is a 'religion of peace' being hijacked or given bad names because of the activities of the radical muslims.

So, to solve this extremist problems, there is need to hav a rough estimate of how many muslims have been radicalized in order to make proper provisions for their de-radicalization for them to live a peaceful life.

maclatunji:

Out of over a billion Muslims, how many are killers or criminals based on Islam?

If an estimated 5% of 1billion muslims are considered radicals, that amount to 50 million muslim radicals world wide. 50 million dangerous human beings are unnacceptably high, capable of unleashing terror world wide.

Mee234: Don't you think if any body or group of persons consistently incorrectly apply acquired knowledge, the source of that knowledge or teacher interpreting that knowledge should be question?.

I think I fully agree with you here.

Islamic State is Saudi Arabia at war. Saudi Arabia is Islamic State at peace.

Look at sharia laws in Saudi Arabia and tell me I’m wrong, it is in line with IS religio-political ideology which SA is not implementing but IS is doing exactly that.

Pls when is the return leg? I know chelsea might still qualify. *praying that FA should arrange second leg*

payless:


Have you forgotten we have a democratic government? I am surprised at you for having the audacity to recommend for certain people to be escorted to the gallows for execution. I hope Jonathan listens to your advise if he's on nairanland. I can guarantee you that your people in the North are the ones to face the repercussion of such action. How dare you recommend people be arrested for making statement against the government of the day? Are we back to Abacha days where many people were picked up for venting their opposition to military rule? Where were you when the same people who are now termed as "enemies of the government" were fighting for Jonathan to take the rein of the presidency?

I have never seen a mod so deep in tribal politics like you.

Please save us this crocodile response, any1 has the right to air his view, being it a moderator or ordinary member.

In an organized society, the likes of Obj and IBB will be in jail. In china or north korea, they would have been purged for the society to progress.

It is only in African that leaders who have stolen the country blind, destroy the economic insfrastructure, social order and what have you, that will still be regarded as elder statemen.

Obasanjo and Ibb have no moral leverage to advise Gej. They are worst demon that should be purged from a sane society.

Emusan: This is where you suppose tell yourself the truth by knowing that the God who inspired Moses to write Torah was different from the one who inspired Muhammad.

In sura 37:75-78 Quran was claiming two things
1. Only Noah's decendant survived the flood which negate other vreses that says other people entered the Ark with Noah.
2. Only Noah's descendant gained the earth which beg for the question what happen to rest who entered Ark with him or the other people if the flood is local?

Guy dont mind them, a copy-cat can never get the full details.