₦airaland Forum

Orlando Owoh: Don't be foolish. The allocation Delta State gets is not as a result of the productivity of Emmanuel Uduaghan as you would want to believe. It is as a result of revenue derivation.

See how dumb you are What role is allocation playing here The states of bayelsa and Akwa ibom receive, almost the same as delta.

St_Black: I know you are Iboe claiming Delta. You claim non-Iboe Delta thinking you are fooling others but not urself. That aside

Pls give evidence with FIRS proof. I'm waiting

Don't insult my intelligence . What's your obsession with Igbo, look for one of them and discharge your anguish to them.. The fact,my state kicked your rear end is giving you heart burn

St_Black: OK

....but why exclude Lag when you know quite well they dont produce oil.

and BTW, at present, you dare not say Delta IGR superceeds all SW as only Ogun & Oyo state generate 4B+ and 5B+ IGR monthly. Your Delta still finds it hard taking in 6B as IGR per month.

PLS Google to debunk me if needed

NO other source can be compared to the national bureau of statistic http://www.nigerianstat.gov.ng/. Spare me what google says. Go there and see the numbers in black and white.

St_Black: Haha

Presently as we speak, Just Ogun & Osun state IGR swallows the whole SE IGR.

..u can find that out at google

There you go with propaganda. The numbers from FIRS clearly show a different picture.

St_Black: OP

You be Didinrin

Why not use GDP, a preferable pointer to development, and see what your Delta will look like.

....at least, by world standards, IGR doesnt even figure out as anything to measure any economic index.

so why not use GDP now?

OYA.

Don't come here and derail my thread. Open your thread and use GDP.

sleekdot: So have you compared Delta to non oil region like SE and lets see how they come out

or better still compare SW excluding Lagos with SE so we can knw who the parasite is

They are the same numbers. The southeast states minus Abia where there are no numbers is N39B. So the Southwest minus Lagos is the same as the southeast

Segeggs: Take oil away from delta then oshodi's IGR will be higger than delta's.

Delta State, PAYE accounted for over N42.565 billion in 2012; N244.195million from road taxes; N123.4million from direct assessment, while N2.635billion came from other sources during the year.

sleekdot: Because Delta has Oil

When you compare the IGR of the SW with the SE then you know that Khaki no be leather No be small dem take pass them

Bayelsa, Cross river and Akwa Ibom have oil too, so why the disparity in numbers Give credit, where credit is due. Delta is likely to hit N100B when the numbers for 2013 come out.

Omo_Tier1: Uduaghan productive? Nah who curse you! Chei....

Delta State has gone backward since Uduahgan took over to the extent that people now prefer to come to Benin to enjoy their weekend and do their shopping.

Delta state has gone to the dogs, if not Delta state's IGR should be ranking in N150bn yearly or even more.

Another of your internet propaganda . Where in Benin are you talking about Name one thing your Edo state has that Delta has not surpassed minus crime. Education, healthcare, Roads, both rural and urban, transportation and a working private sector economy.

mayorall: And why is Lagos igr more higher than the whole south south combined without exception?. 219.2billion.

compare apples to apples.

PhenomenonVFX: LMAO. We don get our own @geeez for Delta o.

Wetin man go do, the curse don too much. Numbers don't lie. Delta no dey carry last

Katsumoto: Do you also have comprehension and reading problems?

I didn't join the debate to prove cocoa funded the war. I merely corrected Tensor who made a wrong claim.

The person I corrected was smart enough not to belabour the point. Only dullards are setting new questions and answering it themselves.

Was Oil a major contributor to Nigerian revenue during the war, the answer is an emphatic NO.

The last reliable number in 1966 puts oil proceeds at 32% of government revenue.. Then over 50% in 1970. Your emphatic NO is usually, what the noise makers and people known for their attempts to revise history say.

ndu_chucks: If you do not believe that all offshore waterways belong to Nigeria as a whole, then you need to have your head examined. No state boundary extends offshore, or are you saying that your state boundaries now extend 200 nautical miles offshore?

Fairness will only come when ALL offshore proceeds are shared equally. You are already compensated for onshore resources, why do you want to continue cheating the rest of the country? abeg make we hear word. This issue is ripe for revisiting and sooner or later, corections will be made.

Fairness From where? Some of you are simply jokers. Come and collect revenue from the backyards of the Ijaws, Ibibios and Itsekiris. Come destroy their source of living. Then tell then, you want to share it equally. You have lost that fight already,pray we find oil in Borno and Kano states. You will be allowed to keep 100% of the proceeds.

If there was no delta, rivers, akwa ibom, cross rivers and bayelsa. There will be no boundary with the ocean. Before your Nigeria came to be, the people of the Nigerdelta used that same off shore for fishing, transport and even built homes 50 miles of the shorelines. Since you lost bakassi, territory do you have any rights to their shorelines??

Uduaghan is probably more productive than most people think

Can anyone explain why Delta state has almost the same IGR as Ogun, Oyo, Ondo, Osun and Ekiti combined together .


http://media.premiumtimesng.com/dev/wp-content/files/2013/12/state-IGR-Tables-2010_2012.pdf






DELTA    45,566,897,481.00


EKITI    3,787,607,515.35

OGUN   12,438,765,025.22

ONDO  10,153,042,597.01


OSUN    5,020,250,633.94

OYO      14,598,808,723.10

Katsumoto: Do not give him an outlet. The debate is not about what was the highest contributor; it is about Oil not being the major.

Please don't shift the debate.

That is a debate you are having with yourself. if you think your cocoa paid for the civil war provide facts to back it up.

DerideGull: Mr. Chucks may have stumbled onto some truths. The problem of crude oil derivation engendered by the abrogation of the onshore/offshore dichotomy during the Obasanjo regime was as a result of few aberrant political moves to make sure that, at least, one state in SW is regarded as crude oil producing entity. Nigeria is a fallacy.

There must be a clear rational of the onshore/offshore dichotomy. The offshore proceeds should be shared equally among the states in the federating unit because offshore activities are inside the territorial waters of Nigeria.

You have to defined onshore/offshore dichotomy before I reply you. All proceeds after 200 nautical miles are shared equally. What esle do you want.

kmariko: @ Op thanks very much for the post --- goes to butteress the fact that Ebonyi is the richest state in the East. As their economy improves through a combination of good leadership, education and their natural resource one can easily envisage a reverse migration from other parts of the East.

Not only Ebonyi, I was also suprised with Enugu numbers.

Orlando Owoh: Yes, crude oil was discovered in late 1950s, it was not until the late 1970s and early 1980s that we experienced oil boom.

Crude oil was responsible for 80% of the budget in 1971. Don't spew your manufactured lies here again.

mad nigerian: First off, it is sad that you cannot engage with my arguments, which shows two things...

1.You know that I am right, and it pains you.

2.You think of me in terms that would violate Godwin's law(adapted for African perspectives).

I have expressed my view that Nigeria cannot break up peacefully so long as we are all linked to oil. And I think that a HUGE part of the problem is that people like you refuse to vote for the right persons to lead us all to self sufficiency without oil.

You may think of a resource war as frivolous, but I do not.

And I find it amusing that some people who chant separation are the biggest supporters of the corrupt leaders we have.

Look my friend, I am from an oil producing state( exactly where , I won't tell you). And frankly, I am not opposed to a split. But for it to be peaceful, we have to get each and every one of our states off the oil money via industriaisation and ending corruption.

But people like you don't want to do that. You want to split so that when your new leaders have finished looting, you would at least have unrestricted access to some oil money. That is not development.

Take a cue from the UK and the Former Czechoslovakia. Self sufficiency through industrial development first, then we can split, so that we do not have another civil war, ok?

When the time comes every man will carry his cross back to his village

mad nigerian: Good morning.....and commiserations to the thread on the passing of Nelson Mandela.

Here , in brief , is why I think we cannot split.

1.THE OIL: We are all hooked up to oil. 88% OF OUR REVENUE COMES FROM OIL. ALL THE NON-OIL PRODUCING STATES ARE REFUSING TO GET OFF THE OIL MONEY. The result is that, in the event of a split[b] NOW[/b] , there will be war over who CONTROLS THE OIL.

If you want a peaceful split without the fighting over oil money, you have to follow the Czechs and the Slovaks and get your state to focus on industry and agric....especially the North , Middle Belt and EVEN the South East....especially Ebonyi, Enugu, Anambra.

I hear some people shout Sudan. WELL BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH SUDAN PRODUCE OIL.....and while the North Sudan produces less oil, it stands to gain from any transit fees paid by the South.

2.THE MINORITIES; Most of you people talk as if Nigeria is made up of Hausas, Yorubas and Igbos. Well, we have minority tribes too. And in the event of a disintegration, they will suffer from the rapaciousness of the majority tribes. If you think that won't happen, then you are from a majority tribe, or just blind.

During pre-colonial times we suffered under the majority tribes. We will not suffer again.

3.AVOIDING THE ELEPHANT: I see no one shouting 'Let's separate' talking about the pervasive corruption in all levels of our society...corruption exacerbated by the fact that we have oil money ready to spend.If we split, I guarantee you that corruption will ravage each and every former Nigerian's space. Add the fact that I see many Nigerians complain about PDP , and yet vote for the same mess every time because of tribal or religious considerations.

The fact is, we feel alienated because of bad leaders.And until we stop voting in bad leaders and start voting in good people, or alternatively start using our votes to show our leaders that we mean business and stop listeningto the lies that a vote for PDP means a vote for Kaferis, or a vote for APC means a vote for terrorists,we will remain backward. These lies are spread by the same people who now sit down in power and chop our oil money. Time to say enough is enough.

4.No one has been able to devise a clear formula as to how we should separate. Some say that the old Northern region should go it alone.....forgetting that the North is divided along religious and cultural lines. Some shout Biafra, forgetting that the SS and SE are not one. Some shout this and that. With such vague ness, forgive me for being skeptical about the whole thing.

5.Many of the disitegrationists are sooo bigoted. They freely use insults and speak in the language of racists. And at the end of the day , the same people you are insulting are the ones that you would ask to split from. How would you work together to acheive a peaceful split, when all you do is shout abuse.

6.Many of the disintegrationistis do not want to use the political process to split. I am yet to see a party formed to agitate for separation rights. Take scotland. The scots used the political process to get to where they are over a period of 80 years. And they did not ask for independence outright, and even with this referendum, they may not win(due to factors beyond their control....factors around an EU entry for Scotland).

Where is the Biafra Independence Party? The Arewa Republic Party? No where. They all want the West to come and free them. Well, just as Ahaz, king of Judah invitied the Assyrians to save him and had to serve their gods, so also inviting the West means that you have to serve them.


In conclusion, let me make myself clear. I am not opposed to a split. However, certain factors make me convinced that a split at this time would lead to serious warfare. I do not want another civil war.

I am also ashamed of the fact that Nigerians have not grown up. We vote for bad people all the time. During millitary rule, most of us kept our mouths shut and did nothing. We kill each other over tribal issues. We refuse to develop our states and local governments and instead fight over oil money. We use tribe to further feather our nests. And when our leaders are caught with their hands in the till, we promptly declare them innocent, and even garland them with honors.

In my opinion, Nigeria must stop being corrupt, industrialize, just as China, Germany, Japan and even India are doing, and then we can talk about splitting....when each and every part of this country is self sufficient.And the road there starts with really good leaders, not jokes who pretend to be doing something by giving us crumbs from the table.

We should also get rid of tribal and religious bigotry, the same way the US and Europe is ridding itself of racisim. We shouldstop seeing ourselves as evil animals. We should end the 'Hutu vs Tutsi' games that we play in this country.....games sponsored by the same elite who are united in their corruption against us.

In brief, we need to grow up. We need to get off the oil. We need to mature.

When the time comes, you can remain a mad Nigerian. You want to kill over oil, no wahala, just get ready

Obiagu1: Yorubas were, they championed it when Abiola was not allowed to assume office.
What is happening now?
How will you describe the current attitude of Yorubas to the SNC they introduced to us?

The yourba politcal class are against anything Jonah supports.

Katsumoto: I mentioned Yoruba guys who fought for Nigeria as a whole and you listed Ogoni men who fought for Ogoni. Perhaps you are admitting that you guys only fight for yourselves. That is ok but do not go calling those who fight for everyone cowards.

You call Obi Wali an Ogoni man

Katsumoto: And I am in support of ND getting the revenue from its resources and paying a small percentage to the FG for running common services.

But you guys need to stop the nonsense about Yoruba folks stealing oil. Oil is being stolen by individuals from all groups in Nigeria. And despite the ND receiving huge monthly allocations, what has its leaders done with the revenue?

What do mean by what have our leaders done with the revenue What have your leaders done with 87% you keep

Truckpusher: Of course you started moving into another direction when we are talking about the current political landscape and you talking about a military rule that had nothing with the topic at hand.

Few men alone in ND did what it took your numerous paper tigers years to achieve.

Go back and reflect, i'm sure you have the names in your head i don't need to blow my own trumpets like you guys do, this is who we are ,we don't talk too much we give instant actions.....Ken Saro Wiwa did it gallantly same with Prof. Claude Ake and Chief Obi Wali they paid with their lives because they stood for what they believed in and not some paper clutching warriors whilst hiding in exile.

Well said

Bishop Magic: And there is the money factor !

A Ukrainian arms dealer will supply you every thing from first grade AK100s to Javeline Missiles. The Chinks dont think on legal principle they will work with who is in charge of the fields. Nigerian army cant do sh1t! The advantage they would have would have been Tanks and heavy armour but how do you deploy a 20ton vehicle in swampy terrain? - You don't!

Most of the noise makers here don't know this fact. During the Warri crises, can you imagine how many soldiers lost their lives Boats filled with dead soldiers coming from the creeks daily. They were like fish out of water. Even, I gets lost in the swampy forest talk less of an Aboki and his yoruba bother. Nigeria will be out of her mind to invade the Southsouth. That war will last 6 months before Nigeria begs for ceasefire.

eGuerrilla: Perhaps if Jonathan had not proved himself to be a major disappointment in the area of governance, there would be fewer detractors from that sector.

The point folks like you fail to understand is that, with increased internet pene#tration rates, the number of self-styled social critics in Nigeria has also grown exponentially. When you employ pedestrian arguments to suggest President X had it a little easier, as you are wont to do, you leave no room for this important consideration.

While casting an eye on the efforts of the 'detractors' you've identified, have you ever stopped to do a critical self-assessment? For instance, it is clear that some of those who aligned themselves most closely with the ND struggle in the yester-years - and I should know based on my personal contributions - are the same people you and others subject to all manner of opprobrium, due to your thin political skin and barely disguised xenophobia. You are smart enough to know that Dokubo-Asari and other ethnic warlords, who you now consider above reproach, represent very narrow interests; but, then, none of this matters in your quest to deliver a dose of comeuppance, right?

My point about Jonathan's poor outing is informed by the view that, he has done little to re-distribute the wealth currently reposed in the hands of various cabals. Mind you, as a direct beneficiary himself, Dokubo-Asari's alternating assessment, which recognises the betrayal of trust one minute only to then point the finger in a different direction the next, is entirely understandable

What disappointment did Jonah cause the southwest press/people 4-5 weeks after the election, before the song of marginalization stated?? Your SW members of the house sold your speaker ship slot to the NW for what But your political elites and your media noise makers blamed Jonah.That song became their building block during the fuel subsidy coup? I remember Falana on Channelstv opening his mouth to accuse Jonah of trying to destroy the southwest economy, that's why he is removing subsidies. What the liar never told Nigerians was the southwest consumed 60% of the so called subsidies petrol. Things just went down hill from there.

I personal thank God for the Asaris of this world and Igbos for standing by Jonah when those of you from the southwest were prepared to eat him alive. You woke us up to a critical self-assessment, that where we are now. This Nigeria can burnt and go to hell or you people should live and let's live. The choice is on your side. You will not push any of us around in this country. Not now or Never.

Bishop Magic: In a way I love GEJ.

Not vote him in and SS goes

Vote him in and SS gets their way

Kill him and SS expands to your doorstep.

Your Boko infested Army has just let us know how useless this country is. The army is still struggling to dislodge a ragtag army in open terrain.

Let them try it in the SS

I don't think most people waiting to invade the SS, understand Nigeria army has no chance of victory. Absolutely no chance. Inside the mangrove , the creeks and those swampland forest , no outsider can win here. You cannot bomb from the sky, because all you see is absolutely nothing. Just water and forest canopy.

Bishop Magic: just as Abiola died as a rat after all your june 12 shout!

shey nah only sw dem dey celebrate am?

If you like go and overthrow GEJ since nah u put am there.

They tired to overthrow already, It failed

Katsumoto: We are talking about Generals, you are listing foot soldiers.

David Mark had nothing to do with that. They had been exposed by SNG, the whole world was watching, and the senate had to respond.

Do you really know how this country works When did demonstration change one thing in Nigeria. Even your oil subsides noise gave you a N30 increase. Thank David Mark and forget SNG.

shymexx: Interesting. The people would decide when the time comes. I honestly don't have time for Delta state since it's like another Nigeria within Nigeria, with all kinds of ethnic groups.

Thanks, just stay away

Katsumoto: When Turai had GEJ under a skirt, who saved him? Who were the ND sons and daughters who marched for GEJ? Who were the ND folk that were in Save Nigeria? Or Falana, Bakare, Soyinka are now from the ND?

The problem with some of you is that you are ungrateful.

So you assumed your SNG saved GEJ for Nigeria Don't kid yourself. David Mark had more to do with Goodluck becoming president than I million demonstration from that group. NIgerdeltans that took part in Abuja demo including the follwing, Mr. Willy Ezeugwu; Mr. Osita Okechukwu, Nagatu Mo Raymond Dokpesi,Mr. Solomon Asemota. Pat Utomi,Pastor Sarah Omakwu,Hon. Uche Onyeogocha,Peter Esele