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Goshen360: @ Ihedinobi,



I asked the question above ^ in my discussion with m.k.o2005 and you came up with an answer below:


And Pastor Kun and I asked further,





And below is was your answer,


First in your answer to who are those that receives tithe today, you mentioned three things namely:

1. Tithes,

2. collections,

3. material blessings.

The crux of the matter here is tithe. You added collections and material blessings. I don't understand why you did that but since you mentioned those two, we shall treat them also with the subject of tithe\tithing. First, there's no where in the scripture you quoted that tithe is mentioned specifically. The word of God is greater than we all. If Paul the Apostle wanted to mean or write about tithe to the Church, he would have mentioned it by the Spirit of God. You're simply going beyond what is written and trynna force your tithe into that context like those we know on this forum.

2. Collection in the New Testament is not from the brethren go to those who labor spiritually for the others as you wrongly or falsely claim; it is for the poor among the early church and saints. Doesn't it bother you the church had gone away from the truth of the Apostolic teachings today? Look at the rate of poverty among many churches, folks living less than $2 per day. Does many churches collect for the poor or for themselves?

3. Material blessings? YES! Those who labor spiritually for the others in the word are expected to benefit the materials things. This truth we cannot argue from the word of God but the issue here is, are these material blessings that is to be given to or shared with those who labour spiritually suppose to be or instructed to be tithe or from tithe of others? That's what we seek to address from the scriptures you quoted above.

Now, you quoted 1 Corinthians 9:7-14 with emphasis on verses 13-14 and perhaps presented it as though it speaks of tithe in that context. The problem with many of us is, when we read scriptures, we don't question some things. When I say, question the scriptures, I don't mean it in the negative way. I mean it in the positive so that such questioning can trigger more study or findings. Now, lemme me do justice....please note, tithe as a word did not appear in that text and since it does not, it cannot be assumed to mean tithe. Whenever an old testament scriptures is referenced in the new, a good bible student will always find where it was written in the old and apply it into the context of where the new testament made such quotation(s).

New International Version (©2011)

Don't you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar?

In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14

In verse 13, is a reference to group #1, THOSE WHO SERVE IN THE TEMPLE...and how do they get their food? The context answers, ...from the temple. Where is this in scriptures from the Old Testament?

New International Version (©2011)
The Levitical priests--indeed, the whole tribe of Levi--are to have no allotment or inheritance with Israel. They shall live on the food offerings presented to the LORD, for that is their inheritance. Deuteronomy 18:1

...please note that those who serve in the TEMPLE are different from those who serve at the ALTAR but the same tribe of Levi or Levitical priesthood. Hence, the two-in-one reference to TEMPLE and ALTAR. In the same verse 13, is a reference to the #1(b) groups - Those who serve at the altar and how do they get their food? Again, the context answers for itself, ...from what is shared from what is offered on the altar . Where is this in scriptures? Leviticus 7:1-8 is the answer - Please, everybody should read it. I can't do much quoting now but verses 5-7 says,

The priest shall burn them on the altar as a food offering presented to the LORD. It is a guilt offering. Any male in a priest's family may eat it, but it must be eaten in the sanctuary area; it is most holy. The same law applies to both the sin offering and the guilt offering: They belong to the priest who makes atonement with them.

Therefore, we have group one - those who serve in the temple AND those who serve at the altar

In verse 14, the Apostle made reference to another group, group #2 - those who preach the gospel. And how are these group of people supposed to make their living? The Apostle said, it was the Lord (Jesus) Christ that COMMANDED it that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel. Now, the point is context and reference.

Where did the Lord gave such commandment and was it that the Lord said those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel BY COLLECTING TITHE? We have to go back to where the Lord gave such COMMANDMENT AND IF WE CAN'T FIND THAT THE LORD GAVE SUCH COMMANDMENT TO BE TITHE, THOSE WHO FORCE TITHE INTO THIS TEXT ARE IN DANGER OF ADDING TO GOD'S WORD AND ARE IN DANGER OF GOD'S JUDGMENT! Where did the Lord gave such commandment?

1After this the Lord appointed seventy-two others and sent them two by two ahead of him to every town and place where he was about to go. 2He told them, “The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field. 3Go! I am sending you out like lambs among wolves. 4Do not take a purse or bag or sandals; and do not greet anyone on the road. 5“When you enter a house, first say, ‘Peace to this house.’ 6If someone who promotes peace is there, your peace will rest on them; if not, it will return to you. 7Stay there, eating and drinking whatever they give you, for the worker deserves his wages. Do not move around from house to house. Luke 10, NIV

From here, we see that those who preach the gospel and should receive their living from the gospel is by the FREEWILL GIVING of those to whom the gospel is preached to and the Lord said this is because the worker or labourer deserves his wages. There is nowhere in scriptures where Christ commanded tithe to be received by those who preach the gospel. We have seen how those who minister at the altar and the temple get their living. These are two different groups: those who serve in the temple \ those who serve at the altar AND those who preach the gospel.

Those who preach the GOSPEL were NEVER told told to get their living from the TEMPLE; it was instructed or commanded to those who minister at the TEMPLE. The same way, those who minister at the TEMPLE cannot go get their living from those who serve at the ALTAR. If there such a place in scripture in reference to verse 14 of I Corinthians 9 that the Lord COMMANDED that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from TITHE, please point out the scripture or be guilt of adding to God's word.

. . ."Do not go beyond what is written." 1 Corinthians 4:6

bro ihedinobi i think you should take time to read this, great truth lie in it.
You are sooo loaded @bro goshen360 keep burning!

ARareGem: ^^Around.

Lol, am I the only one who sees a bunch of nairaland rules before posting on a thread?

#Rules are meant to be broken#

ATMC, what's up?

lol
I think d sky's up. I just dey shaa just having numerous dreams dt i can't explain l8r

Idowuogbo: Oh la la la! I don hammer! Praise da Lord!

Bro Goshen, I dey eye u tey tey o! But I'm shy... Are u single? I for like visit Amelica so we can relate more. Hope to hia from u soon...


Luv Badosky xx

bad o, no distractions plsss, he's getting a ring for ishilove...and i'm signed up for her maid of honour.
#but then should you win him, i'm into bridals' things and decorations/confectionery's things *winks bring d contract home.

I saw no pm

spikes C: Just fine

why is your face dt way?

Maiden

spikes C: sweety...where u been? missed ya

same here...how you bin dey?

Arcard: (Asusu'm bu igbo) nna eh wetin dem dy talk sef acho mu ima com ban me i no send, na by force t typ in oyibo

lol

mathskill: Typical Nigerian,u r given new rules and regulations n all u can think of is suggest that he is imposing commands on u. U even have the audacity to demand an apology n to actually think some even liked ur post goes to show the number of underage and un-matured pple accessing this forum.Infact u r d kind that seun is supposed enforce a ban on.Silly very silly indeed.

just because he doesn't think like you doesn't make him a kid. Go see a shrink...superiority complex smh

Spooky spike

Romantic people what's popping?

obadiah777: what video ? the one i posted ? thats not me. hmmmm not sure where you think i live but i live on the third planet from the sun
well my na-kedness is a good thing. now if i was in the darkness it would be a bad thing to encourage me to show my nake-edness, however my nak-ed-ness is a blessing that consumes so it is a good thing for me to be butt-nekkid all the time. i love being butt-nekkid <<<< hmmm somehow that dont sound right

you don change case? Lol so fear dey fear fear? Lol i can't believe they got you laught wan make me change base

eyenCalabar: I think Seun should apology to us. He sounds insulting. There are ways one can actually commands you to do somethigng and you'll hearken with smiles and definitely NOT the way he's just imposing his own commands on us. Am dissapointed.

lol
@topic rules are good but you can use rules to tie yourself up without knowing it. Many people on nl are rule breakers and they are your client mr seun so you got to be tactful otherwise you'll lose them. Don't think you 've arrived, you may start all over without planning to

obadiah777: YEAH ATMC GIVING ME DRINK SO I CAN BE BUTT NEKKID OUT HERE SMDH HABBAKUKK 2 VS 15 Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their na-kedness!

you 're HIGH

obadiah777: LMAO. YOU NEVER JAM BELLICOSE RHETORIC

after hearing you in dt video (except its not you) i doubt you speak pidgin

Thanks

christemmbassey: dont be mischievous, de bra said im no b agent of satan or a muslim and am sure he's not a catholic either am satisfied knowing the worst he can b is a judaizer, remember d word says, "woe to him that give his brother drink, so that he may drink and na,ked himself". Be careful o.

ah i thought you wanted to gat to know him bera...lol i rest my case

obadiah777: OK SINCE YOU SO BELLIGERENTLY INSIST I AM AN ISRAELITE WITH A QUICKENED SPIRIT. FROM THE SOUTHERN KINGDOM OF ISRAEL, THE TRIBE OF JUDAH THAT RAN INTO WEST AFRICA IN 70AD AFTER ROMAN PERSECUTION IN WHAT IS FAMOUSLY KNOWN AS THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION.

what's all these bellicose rhetoric? Smh

Yearly

obadiah777: YOU ARE RIGHT BROTHER MOSTHIGH. THE SIGNS ARE GLARINGLY OBVIOUS. PLUS IF PEOPLE GO ON YOUTUBE THERE ARE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE NOW WHO SEE VISIONS OF THE WORLD ENGULFED IN NUKES. THIS IS A PROPHESY THE LORD SAID WOULD HAPPEN BEFORE HE UNLEASHES ALL THE NUKES. PEOPLE WILL HAVE VISIONS AND DREAMS ABOUT IT. JOEL 2 VS 28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: ON YOUTUBE IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HAVING THESE DREAMS ABOUT NUKES AND AMERICA GETTING ANNHILIATED ETC ETC. WE AT THE END

millions are having dreams about rapture too or are you not aware?.

obadiah777: I GUESS HE OR SHE WOULD HAVE TO HOLD ONTO THEIR ASSUMPTION THEN LOL. I AINT TRYNA CONVINCE NO PUGNACIOUS REPROBATE WHO ALREADY GOT ASSUMPTIONS

finish what you started joor. You already told him what you're not, what you are should follow suit joor...quit d shakara

obadiah777: WETIN YOU TALK
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MUSLIMS AND AGENT OF SATAN ? ONE IS IN A DELUSION WHILE THE OTHER IS THE CAUSE OF THE DELUSION

lol

christemmbassey: glad to hear that, i was actually expecting insults am still suprised at ur soariety this morning, pls stay like this, dont touch them untouchacles again, am joking o, God bless.

fear don catch am na after reading all the warnings before you post, ha you go sew 'be careful' T-shirt and lol mehn those rules eh, i'm not a rule breaker anyway but i hope those rules wont make the few 1000 plus members (out of millions) dt come online to...you know

obadiah777: OH I AM AS SERIOUS AS A HEART ATTACK. PROPHESY IS UNFOLDING EVERY MINUTE NOW AS WE SPEAK. ISRAEL JUST BOMBED SYRIA, RUSSIA ( GOG ) IS THREATENING TO BLAST ISRAEL ( EZEKIEL 38 AND 39 CHAPTER ), THE KINGS OF THE EAST ARE READY WITH THEIR NUKES ( REVELATION 16 ) ( KINGS OF THE EAST ARE CHINA NORTH-KOREA, IRAN AND RUSSIA SO CALLED EAST BECAUSE THEY ARE POSITIONED EAST TO THE WEST ). ITS ABOUT TO GO DOWN. WW3 ( ARMAGEDDON )ALREADY STARTED. ITS GOING TO KEEP HEATING UP SLOWLY TILL WE GET TO THE CLIMAX WHICH IS THE NUKES FEST. OH AM SERIOUS ABOUT THIS PROPHESY HUN. AS SERIOUS AS A HEART ATTACK. AMERICA WILL BE TOTALLY ERADICATED. NOT A SINGLE SOUL WILL BE LEFT IN IT ( ISAIAH 47, ISAIAH 14, ISAIAH 13, REVELATION 17 AND 18, JEREMIAH 50 AND 51 ) AMERICA GOING DOWN FOR ALL THE WICKEDNESS THEY HAVE DONE IN THE WORLD. THE NATIONS ARE DRUNK WITH THE FRUITS OF HER FORNICATION.

i knew d moment you showed d congratulatory msg will become valedictory msg...lol d zeal of ww3 has consumed you brah

obadiah777: NO I AM NEITHER A MUSLIM OR AGENT OF SATAN

he'll still think same of you till you tell him what you are. If someone asks you are you peter and you go i'm not peter nor am i paul, you haven't made a sense at all

obadiah777: THE LORD IS GREAT. YOU ARE HIGHLY FAVORED BROS GOSHEN. HOWEVER YOU ARE HIGHLY FAVORED NOT FOR THE REASON THAT YOU THINK YOU ARE. THE LORD MADE SURE YOU GOT THAT GREEN CARD SO THAT YOU CAN GET THE HECK OUT OF AMERICA BEFORE BABYLON FALLS. BEFORE THE DESTRUCTION BEGINS THE LORD NO WAN MAKE YOU CHOP NUKES. I KNOW MANY PEOPLE WILL NEVER LEAVE AMERICA TILL THEY GET THAT GREEN-CARD AND AS SUCH THEY WILL PERISH IN THE PLACE BUT THE LORD GAVE YOU AN EXIT BEFORE DESTRUCTION BEGINS. BEGIN DEY PACK POTMATOE AND GHANA BAG OOOOOOO
LOL ATMC AND MUSKEETO I TROWAY SALUTE

i talk am!

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@obadiah777 who's seen him this morning, he's not here yet and i miss him small, i want to read his comment lol

You don't look like him. Maybe she's indirectly telling you dt she does not consider you fine.