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Ifeann:
in response to me asking you to read anti Islam sources, You said,"But you are aware of what the opponents of christianity have written with regards to the Christian faith and also Jesus and his mother Mary, right? If you don't accept their claims why do you refer me to the opponents of Islam for "knowledge?"

Your rambled about a lot of ideas and still didn't make any point that I am not aware of. I really don't understand how u Muslims think. How can you depend on only your sources. How do you know that u are on the right path or is it because your Muslim parents told you u are??

I try to be nice and polite but sometimes you guys ask questions and make statements that is so unbelievable.


I read and learn from pro-islam sources , I have listened to some of your best apologists as well, here let me mention some and their profile;

1. Yusuf estes. (Hardcore Muslims don't like him because he is a white boy that converted to Islam and presents himself as a scholar, he once compared the Koran to the catholic hymn book, I found that funny because that is shirk),

2. ahmed deedat(the no nonsense orator, core Muslim, lair, brilliant debator, once proclaimed may God silence the deceivers, had a stroke 4weeks later, couldn't move or talk for 9years, there is a famous clip of him crying in bed on youtube) ,

shibry Ali( ahmed Nadia- another popular Muslim I have listened to, once proclaimed that shibry Ali's son was born blind because shibry Ali saw a passage in the Koran and yet contradicted it, some verse that had to do with christ's crucifixion),

zakir naik: no nonsense Muslim, has faulty arguments, intelligent, and runs the website -lovezakirnaik or something like that ..)

Anjem Choudary(you guys hate him for his brutal support of no nonsense Islam ), he referred to the Sept 11 terrorists as the magnificent 19, former lawyer, lives in london under welfare from the western British government and yet curses them...etc. I also study on several christain scholars and apologetics as well, infact I just got st Thomas aquinas, he was an epic philosopher and theologian. One of the best of the best.

I really don't like athesim sources because they then to be blind, arrogant and close minded in their argument.

Why did I list all this, its because I want to show u I am not close minded and not anti Muslims( I have Muslim family members) however, I despite the evils in your quran and haddiths. I probably know more about your top apologists than you.

You have to read wide, question things and pray. this is something Muslims don't do, and the order not to ask questions is in your Koran;

Surah 5:101-102: “O ye who believe! Ask not
questions about things which if made plain to
you, may cause you trouble …Some people
before you did ask such questions, and on that
account lost their faith.” (Yusuf Ali)

This is because if you start asking questions and reading other sources you will see the clear falsehood of the quran.

Pray to the God of Abraham, Moses and Jacob to reveal the truth to you and help you understand why Christians do NOT accept Islam even to the point of death at the hands of Muslims practising the command ;

Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

And why former Muslims reject Islam even when they die in the hands of Muslims practising the verses;

"If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." (Bukhari, Book 52, Number 260)
and
"The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." (Bukhari, Book 83 Number 17)

The choice is yours.

I refused to read the books written out of hatred against Allah,Islam, Muslims and Muhammad. I do not derive pleasure on the writtings of deceivers hiding under the guise o knowledge and then spew lies!

Saul (later renamed Paul) is an example of such enemies who hide behind "knowledge" for destruction. You know that he was an enemy of Christians who later made a u-turn (seemingly for more effective bastardisation of the Christian faith). He claimed to have seen"vision" and "Inspirations" began to flow from such visions helping him to re-write the Bible until more than half of the books of the new testament where nothing but Paul, Paul, Paul!!!

By which time he had actually made all the words of Jesus in the Bible worthless except his own words. Effectively, for each word that Jesus spoke in the Bible, Paul has a parallel contradictory word for it. Thus he succeded in establishing his new christianity.

The Holy Qur'an is perfect for knowledge seekers.

GSKing:
Them clever colonialists.

Imagine what would have happened if the missionaries came before the slave trade.

Why did the missionaries come last after Africans have suffered, died and wasted in the hands of the Englishmen?

Can't you see their genius tactics?

And to imagined that Mango Park was paid a wooping £29k by the Jews!!!

Misogynist2014:
'Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.' Acts 13:46
'Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, andthatthey will hear it.' Acts 28:28

But Jesus said that his salvation is not for the gentiles and he also said that he was only sent to the Israelis.

Paul's words could not have abrogated Jesus's words, could they?

Collynzo419:
Nwabekeyi u are an idiott. So because you have eaten Chicken on Xmas day , u are feeling funky?

We dont need iboe votes, all we need is for you find work and pay tax, failure to do this and you and your family might find yourselves deported in the new year- advance warning Chidiebere

Don't mind him. Hausa/Fulani are here in Lagos to give Igbo votes a run for their money. As we speak, every Hausa household in the S/W is a registered member of APC...Sai Buhari!!!

owobokiri:
We must drive this one Nigeria to its logical/pratical conclusion. A Nigerian should contest any political position anywhere. There is nothing like indigenes and all that. We are all Nigerians and are rightfull owners of this patrimony. Every month you gleefully share somebodys oil money while dictating to him how to move around in your enclave? That is 419

You are the liar here because Ondo state's oil is part of the cake being shared.

Justcash:
Lagos is ripe for advanced political reasoning and multi-ethnic governance. Lagos state is miles ahead of other states in Nigeria. Many Nigerians from other ethnic groups are more Lagosian than their original ethnic group. The state should lead the way in showing other states the beauty of multi-ethnic governance in Nigeria.

All these ethno-religious considerations impede the unity and progress of Nigeria. The minds of the new generation is corrupted by such considerations. In Lagos, kids are born together and mix up with eachother in playgrounds, school, churches and mosques without caring about ethnicity. It is only the grounded TRIBALISTIC social system that separates them and causes strife, suspicion and ethnic hatred as soon as they evolve into adulthood.

If we are indeed NIGERIANS, we should be seen as being Nigerian first before being Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa, Efik, Urhobo, Tiv etc. Lagos, as a cosmopolitan city, must lead the way.

Charity begings at home.

Islamise Nigeria or biafranise Nigeria?

PDP man supporting PDP is all I see here. Ali Modu Sherif too said Borno people will cast their votes for Jonathan

malvisguy212:
T he first book of the Bible, Genesis, says that God chose Abraham to make into a great nation. The descendants of Abraham, the Jews, would establish the nation of Israel to become a people of God's own possession.God has chosen the Jew to reach out to the world.The bible is full of foreshadowing, an event that happen but God use it to show us what he will do in the future.hosea was a old testament prophet,in that book of hosea the children of isreal always disobey God,and God say he will scatters them and on the third day he will revive them and isreal shall live in my sight. This is a foreshadowing of how God is about to scatter isreal and reach out to the new testament church.

In acts 1:6-8
6 Then they gathered around him and
asked him, “Lord, are you at this time
going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”
7 He said to them: “It is not for you to
know the times or dates the Father has
set by his own authority. 8 But you will
receive power when the Holy Spirit
comes on you; and you will be my
witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea
and Samaria, and to the ends of the
EARTH.”

God scatter isreal, for 1900 there is no nation of isreal, the scattered isreal became a nation in 1948,why? The gospel has been preach and isreal are about to live in the sight of God (the saints) now that you have hared the gospel, you have no excuse.

Is Israel a Christian nation? I thought that the Jews are still rejecting Jesus in Israel?

Saddam's case is diffeent as his people were not the ones who said they didn't want him but the West. A referundum was conducted hence the high percentage of votes!

Nayoanalytical:
99% of the northerners are super illiterate in nature and only pursue sectional and ethnic desires,they also follow sheepishly what Imams tell them.Buhari cannot be trusted at all.He is dangerous specie.

And you follow your conscience writting this? In fact are you conscience at all?!!!

NIJJAking:
The yorubas should be careful and watch the consequence of their actions on the future of the nation. The hausa fulani have ruled this country longer than any other tribe in the history of the nation and its they who have brought us to the present problems we face as a people. Yet the south west want to deliver us into long years of slavery by handing power so early to this northerns. Once buhari get power when he is through , he is surely going to organise a coup and hand power to a northern military officer to take the south on a long years of dramatic power play , in which hausa fulani will rule for long years to come.. The yorubas need to wise up.

"The hausa fulani have ruled this country longer than any other tribe in the history of the nation and its they who have brought us to the present problems we face as a people. Yet the south west want to deliver us into long years of slavery by handing power so early to this northerns."

Go study Nigeria's hisory from independence to date first so that you'll learn and know the tribes Nigerian leaders belong to.

Ifeann:
Idont know why you called the moon a she? Maybe there is something you know that I don't. I would rather call it an IT.

You can't even spell persecution. I really want to give up more details but i won't. I don't think you will appreciate the information. I can only tell you look at the historical origins of Islam and its association with paganism, get ur info from objective sources, from anti Islam sources and then go to YOUR OWN scholars and Muslim apologetics for their defense.
Do the research. Then make up your OWN mind as u enter your mosque with the crescent moon and star above it.

The Arabian peninsula especially the Hijaz area was dominated by idolators prior to the Islamic faith. They worship idols curved out of stones and woods. Islam preached the absolute unity of God. Islam attracted the anger and wrath of the polytheists and Christians. The former who saw it as a challenge and the later who saw it as a means to belie their own belief of also associating God with His creatures whom they ascribed divinity to.

I suggest you make up your mind on the issue of idol in Islam. It is either you are talking of christianity of being an up-shoot of Roman idolatery or you accept Islam for what it is of being a religion founded on the Absolute Unity of God.

But you are aware of what the opponents of christianity have written with regards to the Christian faith and also Jesus and his mother Mary, right? If you don't accept their claims why do you refer me to the opponents of Islam for "knowledge?

esere826:
Your thread was shared to me by someone I follow on nairaland
Please permit me to respond to you and help you address your baffle

All humans are intrinsically the same
however our cultures and physical attributes shape the way we respond to our environment
In saying culture, I also include religion

What this means is that if you were a christian you would tend to do the same thing that you now accuse christians of doing
if those Christians that castigate islam were Muslims, they're also be passive and moan about insults by Christians

If you listen in on Christian arguments, you would notice that we even tackle Atheists who mock our God and his Christ to our face
you guys cant even stand it, if it is done to you.
But you notice that we don't tolerate folks talking ill about our men of god

Bottomline is that we are not hiding behind any civilization.
We just don't have such restraining rules as yours in our christian culture, whereas you guys do have in yours.

Does that meant your religion authorised you to insult the founders of other beliefs that are different from yours?

Ifeann:
Here you go again with low IQ comments.
Any objective person reading our conversation will instantly tell you are the one lacking in intellect, refusing to accept the truth about the falsehood of you quran after I have presented its evils and you can't even defend the religion you believe but only throw insults.

You say I quoted out of context, I challenge you to provide the contexts for the verses. Read them, its plain, don't go to your imam to reinterpret or dilute it for you.

sooner or later if you truly seek the truth, the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob will reveal it too you and liberate you from the moon god and falsehood.

Still being mischievious again. If you claimed to have knowlege regarding the Qur'an and Islam, you should have known that Muhammad and his followers have been targets of persucation right from day one of his mission. Now, you quoted versus from the Qur'an and gave them your bias interpretation while ignoring their historical context to deceive the ignorant but when I confrontated you the only thing I get in reply is slander!

Here is another false claim by you, what is a moon god in Islam? Can you quote that verse/verses in which Muslims are told by the Qur'an that the moon is their god or that she should be worshipped? No? Did you get that from your on christian training of worshipping Jesus?

Ifeann:
aurenflani asked,"If Muhammad copied the bible why then do you worship Jesus and believed that he is your creator?"

Frist of all, He copied from the Gnostic "christains" an earlier attempt by satan's people to corrupt the scriptures and church from the inside, (today we have the word of faith movement, Jehovah withnesses, Mormons)
True christains declared the Gnostics heretics and they were cut off from the church.
Apparently, Mohammed continued from where they left off with a blend of paganism(kissing the black stone, circling the kaaba, bowing in the direction of the kaaba, etc.

If you want to knw why we believe in God the Father, Son and HolySpirit, all ONE God. And why we refer to Jesus as Son of God thereby one with the Father, then you are asking a theological question. It deserves that you create a topic and I and other Christians will educate you on that.

Can you give me like five verses from the Qur'an that the Prophet copied from the agnostics bible?

nigerianvenom:
A child without a father doesn't understand d need to respect others.
Hope say no be armed robery dem take kill ur original fada.

So your own father is an armed robber that is the reason why you don't respect other people's father thereby repeating lies deliberately against Buhari without respecting his own children! Now I get it.

Larow:
holy my foot! Let me tell u, mohammed is the foundation of the troubles the world at large is facing till date. He rewrote the bible and u people also mumuly accepted that its was sent 4rm God directly! That is plagiarism and any human being can do dat! At least linda Ikeji was accused of d same offence some few weeks back! It only takes a level of commitment to get dat done, moreover, he spoilt the whole show by ending up making silly mistakes. U are all potential suiside bombers if u don't know! Nonsense

If Muhammad copied the bible why then do you worship Jesus and believed that he is your creator?

Ifeann:
You said,"Qouting the Qur'an out of contest? I am not surprise."

You can't even spell "quoting", I wonder if I should reply you.

Anyway here we go,
I didn't quote out of context. The texts went well with the contexts, there was no joke, no stories, no allegories, no metaphors, no hyperboles with the commands in the quran verses I quoted.
Mohammed said it as allah told him or do you disapprove?


Again, in order to defend your false religion, you quoted Luke19:27 which looks violent, pls always quote with the chapter and verse to show you know what you are talking about.

Now let me educate you. l shall quote that "verse" without the context in 2 bible versions.
King James Bible
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slaythembefore me.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
But bring here these enemies of mine, who did not want me to rule over them, and slaughter them in my presence.'"

Here my friend you clearly ignored the context. Christ was telling a parable (story with a deeper meaning). Its called, "the parable of the Gold coins", its a parable and in it Jesus uses hyperbole to emphasize the seriousness of the issue and it starts from Luke 19 verse 11 to 27 . It was not a command my friend.

Shame on you for trying to use Al Taqiyya

No thanks for the correction that was followed with degradation.
I deliberately sighted that portion of the bible so as to make you see the mischieviouness that litters your "scholarship" of the Qur'an.

If you are a serious student of comparative religion, you know that all verses of the Qur'an are circumstantial revealed before, when or after an event. E.g the battle between the Byzantine christians and the fire worshipping Zoarastians.

Ok. In another news the only known warlord in Nigeria is dead and buried. Out of share greed, this warlord curved out a portion of the soverign country so as to became it's Dictator for life, fortunately he was driven out of "his country" without achieving his dream.

Ikengawo:
Nobody Idolizes anyone. The difference between GEJ supporters and Buhari supporters are admit it or not GEJ supporters are more realistic. None of them are pretending to be in love with him and we know his limitations. We also appreciate the fact that he puts his limitations on the table and leaves more competent people to handle what he can't even if they're his enemies (Sanusi for example). I would rather that type of person be my president than someone that's talking about bloodshed and violence all the time.

"We also appreciate the fact that he puts his limitations on the table and leaves more competent people to handle what he can't even if they're his enemies (Sanusi for example). "

That example above is what I called CLUELESSNESS.

ogb5:
Son it is a pity you think this way.

Look again at the highlighted part of your post. If you vote Buhari because his terrorist supporters are killing people what will happen if between 2015 and 2019 the south south folks decide to continually bomb away all the oil installations and force the nation into economic crisis. You will vote a south south man then in 2019 to stop the bombing?

What now happens if between 2019 and 2023 with a south south man in power, due to your vote, the North now resume the killing and the south west decide to add their own flavour by closing down all the banks continously asking for their son to be president? who will you vote for in 2023?

Say no to terrorism, Say no to Blackmail, Say No to Buhari

A terrorist can never get my vote

If Buhari is a terrorist simply because he is a Muslim and a Northerner and boko haram is in the north, what do you say about Jonathan who is a Christian and a South Southerner whos people preceded boko haram by terrorizing the oil workers and bombing Lagos and Abuja and continued with their threat to destabilze Nigeria if the citizens refused to vote him in 2015? Especially as he even defended them on their bombing of Abuja.

BossAyuk:
Welcome The People's General. PDP must be swept away even on social media.

BTW let's have a moment of silence as we thank Goofluck for bringing Facebook and Twitter to Nigeria

Ol'boy! Take am eazee now. What do you think about those of us who registered in facebook during OBJ?

Ifeann:
Once again you expose your ignorance. My friend there is no such thing as negative(-)I.Q.
Insult all you want, its your nature and I will forgive u.

I know you are upset that I am a disbeliever in your falsehood. I won't be surprised if you want to fight me as your literature says in these verses.

Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

Bukhari 2:24: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

The more you insult me the more I expose your qu'ran. And some verses include rape of slaves, your prophet selling slaves, Mohammed's "adventures" with 9 year old Aisha etc .

Qouting the Qur'an out of contest? I am not surprise.

" Kill those that refused to take me as the master".
Your Bible is saying via Jesus through Luke.

What baffles me is the hypocracy of Nigerian christians who always hide behind "civilization" to casigate Islam and Muslims whenever something negative happens from within the Muslim community! Mainwhile, if it happens in their christiandom, you find Muslims either ignoring the bandwagon or making passive comments.

Muslims do not blame Paul, the Pope or Jesus. Aronically, the christians would gladly go as far as insulting the Holy Prophet on whos advice the Muslims respect Jesus and his mothe Mary!

lionduke:
they would never see anything good in him, just because he is a Christian, from an ijaw minority tribe.

That's quite erroneous! Maybe you are the one seeing things this way due to your religio-centric character.

If Jonathan had being a proactive President who tackled bh like someone in full control being the commander in chief and displayed a no-nonsense and firm trait of a leader, that could have earned him some respect throughout the North despite the unprecedented corruption that is his govt.

"May GOD Almighty
expose
whoever is behind this
madness!"

AMIN.

oghaleEfe:
It is not about the south or the north it is about the personality involve. Even in the south Buhari is the preferred choice. Jonathan thinks only about Ijaw. Only Ijaws benefitted from GEJ, not the entire south

True talk!

aderonila18:
Lol see the hypocrites, they are always cursing Wole Soyinka and calling him names when he points at the wrongs in the government but now suddenly they respect his views I thought PDP agents here say He is paid by APC and his political views are useless

Yes they also say Ameachi bribes him

kropelgrada:
And you all APC ignorants think that an ab0ki general that has not been resourceful for the past 30 years will have a clue about running Nigeria ha?

That Prof is a lunatic for saying that my President has an unsound mind.

An Aboki general is light years ahead of your drunk arne of clueless president you skunk.

nigerianvenom:
why don't u go out there and do ur research.
u want to compare a phd holder to ur local daura cow rearer.
there are certain things that are parallel to each other;gej and buhari no be mate.
i even doubt if ur buhari attended any secondary school going by the way he speaks

Buhari didn't attend secondary sch your father did. Next...

temitemi1:
What is this noise abt osinbajo Keep making unrealistic noise... GEJ till 2019!!!

I can swear your very, very jittery this past few days