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Hello house.
I guess the issue here is that so many people have put a lot of hope on the feed and they expect it to compete with the likes of coppens and skretting(durante). That's why there has been this much spark. Well I'm not here to judge anyone but I believe people should stick to what they know suit them. Some have negative report on the feed, while some said its working wonderfully for them, the question then is, is there various types of the feed out there, i mean is there high and low version of the feed out there?. where those that got burnt are those that purchased the low and poorly composed feed. I will just advice that the producers should monitor the making of the feed more to be firm sure that no ingredient is left out and all is done perfectly. Like I said I have not used it before ( cos i deals in seeds production more) so I can not judge or comment on it. For me , it is my joy to see it succeed so I can recommend it to my client and those that buy fingerlings and juveniles from me. It is good that the feed has customer forum group, where you can table your complaints. Its from here that they can be able to get it right. My advice is , on any feed that you have not used before, TEST it first before fully dabbling into it and I'm so sorry for that have lost one way or the other because of this.

robonski15:
Let him call this number 08099847106

OK Boss...thanks

Likewise, another person is looking forward to buyers interested in about 500 broodstock. He had kept this fish for more than a year. Due to lack of space for his new batch of fish he wants to sell the brood stock off at current table size price. If interested call him on ‭09083590573‬. Thanks

Good evening great people...
Someone wants to sell great number of table size catfish ranging from 1kg and above. Interested people can him on ‭08091480704‬. The farm is located in Ajah. Thanks

PHENYOR:
@ mr robonski thanks, it's a concrete pond. The issue is that the fishes came with the disease from the supplier cos another farmer that bought at the same time with me has the same complaint. I got NCO(Neomycin, Chloramphenicol and Oxyltetracycline), they seem to improve but some are just weak. I will try to get the that one, I am at abuja sir. Thanks again

@ Phenyor
If you experience some thing like this , please try to inform the farm you purchase the fingerlings from so that others will not fall victim. Demand that they should do something about their fish.

Good evening all. Please there is someone that wants to sell off all his 300 broodstock at table size price, because he need the space for expansion. The fish are 1 year plus in age and 1 kg and above. He is around Okata. Interested people can him on ‭09083590573‬.

robonski15:
Hello sir, very soon the feed will land imo state and the east in general.

Boss
We are expecting this wonder feed at Abattoir Agege asap.
If you want I can help you talk to someone there, he will sell it for you there...

robonski15:
Gelatin feed ready to be served to the hungry fishes...

Great work Boss
Keep the flag flying.
Can it be pelletized as well?

lovesuite:
Thanks@Ayosat,yes i have 6 ponds in total 2(17 by 6) and 4(10 by 10),but 3 of the 10 by 10 is new and is still under treatment cos of the chemicals.it should be ready in no time.thanks a bunch for the info.

@ love suit.. Believe me sir... Non of the pond can take 1000 fish to table size. You have 7000 fingerlings/ juveniles with total number of 6 pond. With the capacity of the pond I will is 600 to 700 max on each pond. The 10 by 10 can only take 600 while 17 by 6 can only take 700. Don't really know how you will manage it all so that they don't turn runts along the way.

Ttalk:
Soft777, Robonski, Nuvembarzint'l, Ayosat, Abix and other gurus, your attention is highly needed here. My concern has been on how to enhance locally pelletized feed to be as attractive to catfish as foreign and some Nigerian extruded feed such as Coppens, Multifeed and Vitalfeed.
For example I observed that catfish get frenzy when they eat Vitalfeed compare to locally pelletized feed, [not that they dont eat local pelletised feed] even when fish oil is added to their feed they are not as exited compare to when they eat Vital feed/Multifeed/Coppens etc
WHAT IS THE NAME OF THAT CONCENTRATES / ATTRACTANT, THAT MAKES CATFISH GET CRAZY?
I am asking this question because i know most of these extruded feed has high percentage of plant protein compare to locally feed that are rich and fortified with fish meal and other animal protein yet dont get the same palatibility compare to these extruded feed.
This is not a question of whether the feed is rich or not, but the feed acceptability/palatibility is one secret that is still missing in locally pelletised feed. How can we ensure that catfish devour locally pelletised feed the way they consume Vital feed/Multifeed/Coppen/Zeighlar?

@ Ttalk.. There is no way you will compare the feeds produce by all these giant companies to what private individuals produce. They have the advantage of professionals and well defined equipments at their disposal, not to talk of availability of resources. Individuals just wants to cut cost and bypass major ingredients in producing the feeds all in the name of making more profit. We also have fake and expired ingredients flying around , all at the mercy of our fish. So there is no doubt , the industrial produced feeds wiil generate frenzy approach than the locally produced feeds , except if the individual is ready to spend and have access to the right ingredients. But not to worry , our dear Robonsky is at the top of the situation, as his new feed with high protein content will soon hit the market and like he said , it's going to be very affordable by all.

lovesuite:
Hello olabakefish,sorry for disturbing you,please after sorting the fishes,i still witness some death rate,please what do you think is could be the cause of it.please,thanks

@ lovesuit... You did not specify the measurement of your ponds and the number of ponds you keep them in. This could have a relationship with the death of some of the fish you are experiencing. Also don't stress them too much while sorting. 7000 fish is quite a lot to sort at once, so do it gradually. By the way I'm Ayosat not Olabakefish.

lovesuite:
@olabakefish,please will the first rain affect catfish in anyway.am a first time fish farmer,with about 7000 catfish and they are a month and 2 weeks old,i really need ur help,thanks my name is macdonald.God bless

Non that I know of.
The only thing is that most roofs are extremely dirty now, with dust everywhere , so if your ponds are close to any building, the first rainfall will wash the dirty roof tops into your ponds, but no harm done. Only change your water and that's all.

olabakefish:
[size=8pt][font=Lucida Sans Unicode][size=8pt]My ogas in the house, @soft77 @Robonski, @Nuvember,
Please I have this concern, I had earlier booked 2000 juve with an hatchery while I was constructing my concrete pond and he told me he had set set aside 2150 for me. which he kept in one of his juve pond. I could not pick them up at the promised date because there was a 2wks delay due fixing problem of leakage and drainage in the new pond couple with finance.
When I finally went there to pick up the stock we could only count 1580 the rest had been lost to cannibalism, not that the fishes were so different in sizes, we complained bitterly that if we had came earlier he wouldn't have suffered that loss.
He said the place became small for them hence they began attacking themselves. I had to settle for the quantity he gave me which was 25% less than what I planned for.
My fear is that will this not continue in my pond as I cannot afford to lose so much!
Please help a BABY FISH FARMER![color=#000099]

@ Olabakefish. ... So sorry for the lose. But loosing 25% in the space of 2 weeks is extreme now. If the difference in sizes is not not much then I think there is something the man is not telling you.
For him now to let you go without any form of compensation is cruel to say the least. As long as he is still in custody of the fish , he must be liable for any loss thein.
For the cannibalism... You have to state the measurements of your ponds . the fish have to have well defined space, with good water management and adequate food supply to keep cannibalism at bay.

Happy New Year great people. It is a great privilege knowing you all. Thanks all our customers ...For your unending Support , Trust and patronage. It is my prayer that 2016 will be a year of great joy, peace and happiness for everyone. None shall work in vein this year. We shall all reap bountifully this year. HNY

Fhemmmy:
My Chairman, i hail oh . . . cross path ke? YOu know me too well oh, simple and humble man to the core.

I'm laughing in Chinese

Fhemmmy:
I thought i was the one using panadol on someone else's headache . . . . so if i carry it for head, why are you now using panadol on my headache . . . .Lol Ask Robonski, i have bought seeds from him and his partner before and we have spoken about ideas . . . .If they decide to sell seeds and feeds, that is fine, i might even buy . . . . BUT read well before you write, Sir . . . .Their association will ONLY sell to members of the association except if my glasses is all of a sudden DULL.
Though, i am a novice in the business with no knowledge of nothing, next time, please dont jump into what you dont know that someone is having problem with someone all because i am not of same opinion?

the other side of our great novice Fhemmy.
But please guys let's chill. No need to cross ones path.
Its all about suggestions.

Forming another association again. Why don't we support GROFFA grassroot Fish Famers Association that was just formed and already registered with CAC, headed by our own Belexy and other great people of this forum. Just my option!

Compliment of the season to everyone. Wishing everybody a wonderful Christmas in advance and a Glorious New year ahead.

robonski15:
One of our large nursery vat under construction, for rearing 2 weeks old fries before transferring to the earthen ponds
Our Manual Meat shredder machine for shredding fish meal, chicken intestine etc for fingerlings feed.

'wow' good work boss.

Oga Robonski, 700 gbosa for you on your farm project. And I wish you success all through.

Teepompey:
Palm oil can be applied to newly pumped water in the pond to clear off foam-like substance in the pond. Its good for fish cos in no time, you would be unable to find the oil in the pond. Its a source of energy.

Yes you are on point with this .
But people still need to careful. Foaming is like a distress call for fish. It sometimes signify something is going wrong inside the water . If you see foams you need to really find out why the fish are foaming and not to quickly apply palm oil .

Ttalk:
Please i need urgent response from my esteemed boss on the followings:
1. How many KG of Female catfish will comfortably produce 25,000 fries, and how many KG of male catfish will be needed
2. What size of vat[s] will accommodate 25,000 fries
3. What size of nursery[s] will be appropriate to raise 25,000 fingerlings
NOTE: I presently use 1 industrial tank as my vat and intend to buy another two [2] for the nursery

@ Talkk
* you will need 2 female of 1.5 kg to 2 kg with 1 male of 2kg brood stock
* 5 vats of 500 ltr can take the 25000 fries at 5000 each. With this you will be able to monitor them well
* the nursery is where the challenge may be. Cos with 1000 ltr you will need to keep just 2000 fingerlings. Some keep up to 5000 fingerlings in a 1000 ltr tank. But my advice is 2000. This will make your fish grow faster healthier and stronger. For this you will need about 12 vats of 1000 ltr each.
Wish you Good luck

cintia:
Noted

Good work going on there , I wish you good success . my little contribution is that :
* make sure the plastic pipes used for drainage is the big type. Ie that type used for sewage.
* make sure that the pond floor slopes towards the drainage pipes buried at the edge of the pond, so as to allow total drainage.
* make sure that cement use is well sufficient. Let them not manage especially the cement to be used in the inner covering of the pond should be high, it will make it last .
* make your gutter layout that can accommodate all the ponds to be built both now and the future.
* have a map of where the overhead tanks is going to be that can supply your ponds with water in any emergency need .
* have a place designed for the Iya eleja... Market women so they don't come too close to your ponds. For safety reasonsreasons
That's my 1kobo suggestion you can also take the pictures as a guide( plus or minus as you want)

saheed3:
If you need tarpaulin pond of any size contact us, the pond is detachable and it's everlasting. Contact:09027003820, 08069635951 email: Saheed.amao@yahoo.com

Great work bro..
And detachable you said, great innovation...

robonski16:
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jaz:
i meant highly valuable oo infact sef i don confuse

Oh. OK, thanks then...

Fhemmmy:
Amen oh . . . But wait a minute, would you buy such book if you see am?

why not...if it is written by our great Professor Fhemmmy. it will even serve as an evidence of no more " I'm a novice".

Fhemmmy:
The chairman himself have spoken . . . Melange farming here we come . . . .

as a novice you always claim, we won't be surprise to wake up one day and find your book on 'catfish farming' in every bookstore in Lagos .

jaz:
@ ayosat.

your contribution is highly invaluable!

can you explain why?

Fhemmmy:
Nice one, i never said they are not making money, i just want us to share how possible it is to make money . . . . However, i dont see the 250K Naira as profit even from your calculations and here are the reasons why:
1. Where is the cost of buying the fingers and even if you hatch, wont you pay yourself for the hatching?
2. Where is the cost of fuel and other expenses like the drugs that you have mentioned
3. Is it really truly possible to get 500g in that 2.5 months
4. 430 Naira per Kg, is that truly possible?
Again, please we are just trying to learn together oh, i am not saying you not right, sir . . . .What do i know anyways, i am just a novice.

@professor Fhemmy... i said it from start, that if you want to make any meaningful profiit in melange, you have to raise them in large quantity. The higher you go, the more profit you make. I'm not a guru in melange farming but my point here is based on what I have leant and discussed with people that are into it.That is why melange farmers need to come in to clear out some issues here . all the same. On expenses you have to find a way to limit them. For instance I know someone that changes water at 12 midnight just to keep cost at the lowest level( cos thats the time NEPA gives them electricity). And how much is drugs? If your fish are OK you may not even spend #3000 on drugs and multivitamins. On fingerlings you either hatch, buy fries or fingerlings which ever works for you. Some don't have the heart for melange thinking it has no profit in it, but some it is what they know how to do best. That is why I say before you go into it, learn the routine first .you need to find the strategy that will work for you ni.

This is a conversation with someone. Able to get 500g in two months. With hardwork and prayer anyoneelse can do it.

Farmers into melange can also contribute. We need more input to this topic

Fhemmmy:
Hmmmmm . . .Let us look at 5000 Melange as example because i still put it to most people that, i dont see how someone could make money from this melange business . . .

5000 FIngerlings bought at 10 Naira = 50,000 Naira
Feeding at 150 Naira/ fish * 5000 Fishes - - - Will cost 750,000 Naira
Miscellaneous assuming is 5% of the total cost spent . . . This will now be 5% of 800,000 Naira and will be 40,000 Naira
Total expenditure seems to be 840,000 Naira

Total sales:
Assume we attain a average weight of 350g
This will give us 1750 kg
Sales of Melange i heard is 380 Naira /Kg if one is lucky . . . . . 665K Naira

Please gurus in the house, is there anything i am doing wrong in this calculation, if NOT i am yet to see how people could convince me that they are making money from melange.

Sir if melange is not profitable you won't see people doing it.
There are different sizes in melange 300g, 400g , 500g. The smallest of it is what you based your calculations upon. Of cause you don't expect to put #150 on a fish just to get 350g. The #150 you must have projected should take you to 500g. So it is now left for you to determine the grams you want to take it to. Some end up spending as low as #80 each for their cat. Some #100 each some above. But I don't expect people to spend more than #150 for each cat. What you are calculating is of the smallest case of melange and can never cost you #150 each if you know what you are doing.
Let's take the maximum case for instance. 500g *5000 @400 per kg. (500g can even go as high as #430 per kg). That will fetch you #1m at 2months or 2.5 months. And your cost on them will be #750000. That's about #250000 profit.
Mind you dealing with melange needs adequate care. You will need to feed them more than usual, so that they can grow faster.
They will need to be given all necessary drugs and multivitamins. water quality must be at the top agenda. You will need to measure their average weigh every two weeks to keep track of their growth.
Also don't stay idea. Go out , learn from people that are into melange. Learn from their sucess story, on what they are doing that is working for them. Bottom line, Before you plunge into it get yourself really prepare and I bet you, you will have good story to tell too.