Christianity Etc › Re: First Fruit Is A Scam, Be Wiser In 2019 by babeosisi(op): 8:21am On Jan 01, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Everyone in those offices are the ones entitled to offerings, tithes or firstfruits because they work in the house of God.
1 Corinthians 9:13-14 13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. Read my previous posts |
Christianity Etc › Re: First Fruit Is A Scam, Be Wiser In 2019 by babeosisi(op): 8:20am On Jan 01, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Your firstfruits/tithe is different from giving. Free will offerings is giving but firstfruits/tithes is paying. You pay because it is a debt you power God. That's why he said you are robbing him. It's the second thing as paying house rent. You can't say you have free will to your landlord. No, you paid it cos you owed it You do not owe God any tithes or firstfruits Hopefully someone else will read this and be set free. You owe God no money None. You don't need to give a penny to be blessed. You give cheerfully and willingly because you are blessed not to be blessed You don't sow or tap into anything.It's ignorance Your pastors won't tell you that truth. The laws of Israel are not your to keep In Christ you are free.He gives freely. |
Christianity Etc › Re: First Fruit Is A Scam, Be Wiser In 2019 by babeosisi(op): 8:14am On Jan 01, 2019 |
Just a little education albaghadi since I see you don't do much studying. There are offices of operation in the body not titles The church modelled to us in the Acts was not a one man church affair There were no owners The church was and is supposed to be a body of believers with the various gifts and offices in operation. They were governed by a council of elders There was no man claiming to be a conduit through which the holy Spirit spoke to whom you gave January salary or tithe that's why you won't see any place any apostle paid or received tithes. Your pastor won't teach you this truth because they want you blind. They have business empires called churches which you fund anticipating blessings and they bequeath to their children as inheritance That was never the plan of God.
The church in acts had a council of elders making decisions so there was checks and balances. Not today where one man wakes up and sets up shop and starts scamming the gullible and their brainwashed followers are fighting those trying to open their eyes . |
Christianity Etc › Re: First Fruit Is A Scam, Be Wiser In 2019 by babeosisi(op): 8:05am On Jan 01, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Was Paul a pastor of any church like Peter, John and the rest?
Paul was an evangelist and not a bishop/pastor. Use the fill time pastors e.g Peter, John and the rest as examples. Please show us that peter was a pastor What was the name of his church and where did he ask for tithe or first fruit? See as you don dey show ignorance |
Christianity Etc › Re: First Fruit Is A Scam, Be Wiser In 2019 by babeosisi(op): 8:01am On Jan 01, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Paul was not a pastor but an evangelist. Peter, John and the rest were pastors of churches. The same Paul who said he works to feed himself said he saw nothing wrong in the other apostles living of the Gospel. Paul could sustain himself because he was a single guy while the other apostles had family. He said he also had power to stop working and feed of the Gospel, but he chose not to for his own reasons which he didn't impose on others.
1 Corinthians 9:1-15 1 Am I am not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.
3 Mine answer to them that do examine me is this,
4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?
5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
6 Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?
7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?
8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?
9 For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
15 But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void OMG So please tell us one pastor in the bible.let''s see how he lived and what he preached. See reasoning |
Christianity Etc › Re: First Fruit Is A Scam, Be Wiser In 2019 by babeosisi(op): 8:00am On Jan 01, 2019 |
Kai This person doesn't know that Paul was actually a church planter that went from.place to place planting churches then visiting them.periodically ,like a general overseer. And when he was imprisoned he would write them letters . |
Christianity Etc › Re: First Fruit Is A Scam, Be Wiser In 2019 by babeosisi(op): 7:57am On Jan 01, 2019 |
This is Paul.speaking in Acts 20
. 33I have not coveted anyone’s silver or gold or clothing. 34You yourselves know that these hands of mine have supplied my own needs and the needs of my companions. 35In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’ ”
But what these tithe and first fruit coveters do and say is totally different from the ways of Apostle Paul. They are insatiable. They won't quote those areas for you They will quote it is more blessed to give than receive to us meanwhile apostle Paul used himself as an example in his giving.
If you Church goers can just spend time reading the bible instead of jumping from one holy ghost and anointing service to another, you will realise that your pastors are hiding truths from you because they don't want you free. They want you blind so they can milk you dry |
Christianity Etc › Re: First Fruit Is A Scam, Be Wiser In 2019 by babeosisi(op): 7:50am On Jan 01, 2019 |
asuustrike1: Is the ten commandments still effective till now? Is it part of the law? Was it abandoned? Christians are not walking by keeping the law The law by the way there are 613 not 10 was not given to us The coming of Christ made the law obsolete |
Christianity Etc › Re: First Fruit Is A Scam, Be Wiser In 2019 by babeosisi(op): 7:46am On Jan 01, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Yet Peter, John and the rest apostles depended on the church to feed cos they never did any other job. Even Jesus Christ told Peter to abandon his fishing job and start fishing men, yet you expect him not to eat of men like he ate of fish. When Jesus was crucifed, Peter went back to fishing but Jesus upon resurrecting told him to leave it unless he wants to prove that he loves fishing more than him Jesus. Are your pastors living like Jesus and Peter ? Are they? These are words of Paul in Acts 20:34 You yourselves know that these hands of mine have supplied my own needs and the needs of my companions. How many pastors you know can say that? Can your pastor preach on that verse? They would rather leech on the congregants and suck blood from them using twisted scriptures Those days are coming to an end |
Christianity Etc › Re: First Fruit Is A Scam, Be Wiser In 2019 by babeosisi(op): 7:39am On Jan 01, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Which part of the law of Moses contains the below words like we have in the Proverbs of Solomon?
Proverbs 3:5-12. 5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.
8 It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.
9 Honour the Lord with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
10 So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.
11 My son, despise not the chastening of the Lord; neither be weary of his correction:
12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding. Again how do you honor the Lord Is your pastor the Lord? Read further down the same chapter ,you cleverly left that part out Let me help you 27Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due, when it is in your power to act. 28 Do not say to your neighbor, “Come back tomorrow and I’ll give it to you”— when you already have it with you |
Christianity Etc › Re: First Fruit Is A Scam, Be Wiser In 2019 by babeosisi(op): 7:36am On Jan 01, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Where did I say you should surrender your January salary. Firstfruit is tithe and that's what you are ignorantly kicking against. See They can't even agree on what first fruit means. Confusion in high places Tithe is not commanded either but that's another topic |
Christianity Etc › Re: First Fruit Is A Scam, Be Wiser In 2019 by babeosisi(op): 7:31am On Jan 01, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Firstfruits are to be brought to the house of God and that is what pastors feed on and run the church with just as it was in the days of the temple. Paul said the same thing below.
1 Corinthians 9:13-14 13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. I repeat.There is no place I said one must never give to support a pastor. It is freewill and what you purpose. Go back and read my original post. I said surrendering your January salary was neither commanded or implied anywhere for the new testament people. Any pastor teaching that as a biblical doctrine is a thief and a robber Paul didn't want his ministry to burden the people,he actually took up a job to meet the needs of his companions and his. Nigeria is hard A pastor shouldn't even depend solely on people and live off them let alone take their January salary. |
Christianity Etc › Re: First Fruit Is A Scam, Be Wiser In 2019 by babeosisi(op): 7:28am On Jan 01, 2019 |
genkins: So all this trash without even one Christian scripture?abeg park well. Ask him why he carefully left out the other injunctions in leviticus 23 and exodus 23 which he quoted to cling to first fruit after changing it to money. Any pastor that refuses to change their scamming ways will not survive the coming years as people wake up from slumber. |
Christianity Etc › Re: First Fruit Is A Scam, Be Wiser In 2019 by babeosisi(op): 7:20am On Jan 01, 2019 |
Omudia11: Did you know that Abel gave God from the first fruits of his harvest ? First fruit is not a command but something to be done from the heart. What an example! First of all Abel was murdered ,you didn't read that part? This is not to say first fruit leads to murder lol Secondly Abel gave to God according to their times you see there was no middle man there Why don't you slaughter a goat on an altar if you want to be like Abel Haven't you read of one whose blood speaks better thing's than that of Abel called Christ.You are called to be like Christ not Abel. Please move into the new testament |
Christianity Etc › Re: First Fruit Is A Scam, Be Wiser In 2019 by babeosisi(op): 7:02am On Jan 01, 2019 |
Omudia11: First fruit is not a scam. As long as it's done from your heart then you're good to go. So anything done from your heart is ok? See reasoning.Don't you know 419ers do it from the heart. The biggest problem with our folks is that corruption and bribery is the order of the day and has eaten deep into the psyche of our people .You bribe your way through everything and somehow the deceivers on our pulpits have also portrayed God as one that needs bribe money to bless you. Read the bible,God is not like the Nigerian police. He has given you all things freely,he says so himself. Why do you choose to believe the words of someone making merchandise of you instead of your heavenly Father who loves you? Some of his word's showing you don't need to tap into anything with money are: -ask and it shall be given,seek and you will find -Freely you have received ,freely give - I have given you all things that pertain to life and godliness. -He that didn't spare his own son,has freely given you all things -we have received the spirit of God so we can know the things freely given to us by God -...how much more will your heavenly Father give to those who ask him -delight in the Lord and he will give the desires of your heart -Every good and perfect gift is from above,from the father of lights with whom there is no variableness -but to each of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ''s gift Go find the passages and meditate on them to be set free from attempting to use money to buy blessings. Stop letting men manipulate you |
Christianity Etc › Re: First Fruit Is A Scam, Be Wiser In 2019 by babeosisi(op): 6:41am On Jan 01, 2019 |
First fruit was for Israel ,it was a law for them.It was agricultural produce and first of their animals We gentiles were never under the law and when we come to Christ we live by his grace not the laws of Israel . In the new testament ,which is where we draw doctrine from See what the Lord says about first fruit
I Corinthians 15:23 says Christ is the firstfruits
James 1:8 He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created. So we are chosen to show forth his glory in order to draw others .
We then are the first fruit because God in Christ already became a first fruit,a perfect example and by his death and resurrection he reaps us
So the first fruit to the new testament saint is no longer talking about harvest of crops like the israelites had but a harvest of souls.
Your pastors won't tell you this because it won't make them money.If you don't know what to do with your January salary please surprise your mother and father. The Bible says honor your mom and dad and there is a blessing to it. Give to the poor |
Christianity Etc › Re: First Fruit Is A Scam, Be Wiser In 2019 by babeosisi(op): 6:26am On Jan 01, 2019 |
Kolping: 2 Peter 2:3
King James Version "And through covetousness shall they (false prophets/false teachers) with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not."
New Living Translation "In their greed they (false prophets/false teachers) will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed." |
Christianity Etc › Re: First Fruit Is A Scam, Be Wiser In 2019 by babeosisi(op): 6:20am On Jan 01, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: You people lack the spirit of God, that's why you can't understand his words because they are spiritually discerned.
You say no one gave money to God. How come Proverbs says we should honor God with all our increase i.e anything that we earn which includes money?
Proverbs 3:9 9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase: Honor the Lord abi Where did it say give to pastor.has your pastor become the Lord? You quote something else and interpret something else Go and find out how you honor the Lord,it's right there in your bible |
Christianity Etc › Re: First Fruit Is A Scam, Be Wiser In 2019 by babeosisi(op): 6:18am On Jan 01, 2019 |
PrecisionFx: In ur useless article, No one paid money to any God, pastor or priest. They all gave agricultural products.
Pastor grow up And they were israelites commanded to do so, we are Nigerians |
Christianity Etc › Re: First Fruit Is A Scam, Be Wiser In 2019 by babeosisi(op): 6:12am On Jan 01, 2019 |
frosbel2: Scam ??
It is ROBBERY You still dey? Bless you |
Christianity Etc › Re: First Fruit Is A Scam, Be Wiser In 2019 by babeosisi(op): 6:04am On Jan 01, 2019 |
My thread come enter the big leagues and I no know  |
Travel › Re: I'm Traveling To London, Follow Me On My Journey..... by babeosisi: 4:30pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
winj3: People are trying to get out of London but you think it is such an amazing thing to go there. It has one of the lowest quality of life in western Europe now, even worse after Brexit! Liar liar Compared it to Nigeria |
Travel › Re: I'm Traveling To London, Follow Me On My Journey..... by babeosisi: 4:28pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
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Crime › Re: Boy Beaten To Pulp By A Man. His Swollen Face Got People Talking by babeosisi: 3:52pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
odizeey: you just dey find who you go argue with. What did the kid do if I may ask. Read the story,those are the details we know Answer based on what you have been told |
Crime › Re: Boy Beaten To Pulp By A Man. His Swollen Face Got People Talking by babeosisi: 3:46pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
odizeey: bros I've been beaten. I pray those kids at oshodi hold you Ransome. You think it's everyone that has same temperament level. Hypocrite. It's ppl like you who burn ppl without finding out why. There you go with another stupid generalization People like me,do you know me? Kids at oshodi,is this kid at oshodi? Didn't you read the story that accompanied the picture Are you unable to stick to a case without being all over the place conjuring up scenarios to justify evil Answer a little bit more intelligently in the next one please |
Crime › Re: Boy Beaten To Pulp By A Man. His Swollen Face Got People Talking by babeosisi: 3:39pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
odizeey: you no see where she say e too much abi. May you not be tempted by one of those children. Dem don use small pikin obtain you before? You never erred as a child? Did anyone treat you this way.I saythis often,the average Nigerian is heartless.There is hardly any evil act you see and there won't be people justifying it. Tonight una go enter church begin do crossover There is absolutely nothing that should warrant anyone treating a minor this way Nothing Every sane person should think that way I know the economy is rough,it seems like it also robbed you folks of human empathy That boy is around 10- 12 years old o |
Crime › Re: Boy Beaten To Pulp By A Man. His Swollen Face Got People Talking by babeosisi: 3:35pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
franksam2009: Op don't conclude yet, try know what really happened first, some of 21st century kids are just too stubborn and arrogant. That was how a neighbor was warning some kids(14_16) to stop playing around his car,. D small boy just sigh and ask d adult y he's disturbing them as if dey touched his car. Later dey end up condemning his side mirror and ran away... They if him touch d boy now, people like u ll come online and rant seeking for cheap attention. Shut up! Anyone justifying this act of sheer wickedness is a cold blooded goat I say shut up your mouth!!! |
Crime › Re: Boy Beaten To Pulp By A Man. His Swollen Face Got People Talking by babeosisi: 3:28pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
Mizwisdom: Some boys can be very stubborn, he must have done something very bad. The boy looks stubborn but the beating is much for a kid This is coming from a woman that hopes to be a mother someday? God has heard what you think about children o You can judge therm by looks If tomorrow now he refuses to give you any ,you will label neighbors witches,enter MFM and start shaking head. Today is Dec 31,you have a chance to begin renewing your mind. When you justify evil,you are just as bad as the perpetrator Don't bother responding to modify your post,I won't respond. |
Crime › Re: Boy Beaten To Pulp By A Man. His Swollen Face Got People Talking by babeosisi: 3:26pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
And you don't give the name or show a picture of the man ? |
Family › Re: First Fruit Is A Scam,be Wiser In 2019 by babeosisi(op): 3:22pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
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Crime › Re: Gunmen Shoot Man Dead In Ekiti State (Photos) by babeosisi: 7:33am On Dec 29, 2018 |
Valaharis22: Lies all through in these write up...he was shot last night along akure to ikere...the armed robbers shot him because he identified himself as a civil defence corps member. Anyways RIP to him
Bloggers stop fake write up as news So which is which |
Crime › Re: Gunmen Shoot Man Dead In Ekiti State (Photos) by babeosisi: 7:28am On Dec 29, 2018 |
Check his relatives . Is he from a polygamous home and fighting with half siblings jealous of his success? That's what I feel in my heart and I don't know why |