I'm honestly not sure who asked for this... They could have as well just made a crime series with any other Character...
I'll predict it here They're just banking on the Batman name and they'll probably save a pointless Batman short appearance for fan service at the end of the season
Season 3 was perfect until the final episode which made everything that came before it seem pointless
I hope they don't make the same mistake in S4... People on Reddit are already predicting that it follows the same pattern... And sadly I also think it will...
I just hope I'm proven wrong and we don't get another finale like the S3 finale again
1. Kung-fu is only one style of fighting or martial arts. Saying that John Wick is a kung fu film is reductive. The first John Wick movie was more of gun action. Kung fu (be it tai chi, wing chun, preying mantis etc) is actually one of the worst fighting styles for an assassin. Most agents or Assassins used mixed martial arts aimed at killing quickly.
2. Gangs are actually prominent in all John Wick movies. From Russian gangs to Beggar gangs. Saying that John Wick is a gang movie is technically true.
No one here has ever called John Wick 3 a Kung Fu movie. We said Kung Fu, Gun Fu, Karate and many other fighting styles were used in John Wick.
So the question was whether or not Kung Fu was used in John Wick.
Succession S4E3 is currently the highest rated episode on IMDB
Unfortunately it will not last because Succession ratings are not protected like Ozymandias...
No matter how much you downvote Ozymandias, that 10.0 will never remove...even if 20% of users downvote it, it will remain 10.0 cos it's protected
But Succession is not I believe... It will drop like flies once trolls start 1 star ratings
Ozymandias got downvoted by several combined fanbases and kicked down to about 26th or so on IMDB...within a day, IMDB mods threw it back to 10.0 without new votes...
Only other I know is protected so far is the Everyone's Waiting episode from Six Feet Under... That episode has 11% 1 star ratings but IMDB protects it's score...so it will never drop below 9.9
Pic 1: Succession S4E3 Pic 2: Ozymandias from BrBd
Kaycee7: Having gang elements does not make a movie a gang movie. By that definition, every movie that has ever featured a gang in any capacity is a gang movie.
the question is whether the members of the gang use Kung Fu or not
Now that you have admitted the presence of gangs in John Wick...
" _Is Kung-Fu among the many martial arts/fighting styles used by gang members in John Wick ?_"
Gang of assassins??I thought it was gang of thieves
1.Assassins undergo training before they are recruited 2. Assasins know different form of martial arts due to training and are experts in killing. 3. They also usually operate in the shadows.
1. Gangs don't undergo training to be recruited 2. Gangs do not know any form of martial arts,at best they are street fighters and that's it. 3. Gangs don't operate in the shadows, most of them are very loud about their lifestyle.
Gangs are usually fighting over Drugs, money,women. Assasins will kill a person if there's a contract.
this is a very limited definition. The word gang is not limited to "drug gang" or "local street gangs"
abduleez1: Lol, using helicopters don't mean shït. Using assassins and military grade weapons doesn't stop any organisation from not being classified a gangster just because it's sophisticated. Professional Assassination is an MO that I see in Yakuza movies, so it's nothing new.
Correction, The Continental is not even a criminal organisation. It's the hotel where John Wick goes everytime that's run by the character Ian Mcshane plays. It's more or less the United Nations Headquarters of the underworld.
I'm not saying The High Table (which you confuse as "The Continental" is not a criminal organisation or "gang"... But it is notably different from your typical gangster org. It's more of a regulating body for all crime gangs or organisation worldwide.
Despite all these, John Wick is not a gangster movie as it lacks the storytelling tropes, themes or character trajectory that categorises a movie as a "gangster movie". The gangsters present in the movie are just used to narratively move the story forward and not necessarily used to tell the story.
John Wick is a crime action movie not the gangster movie you're selling it to be. Unless the status quo changes in this sequel part 4 which I'm yet to watch.
you're right about the High Table being the group of Elders that control the all the criminal gangs....my error on that Continental is a group of hotels
but this further proves my point of John Wick being a gangster movie... John Wick was a member of one of the many gangs in the movie
Still the point is they're seen as a gang...doesn't matter the gangsters are merely plot device or not... A gang is a gang
John Wick and many characters are members...and they use Kung Fu among many other fighting techniques
Kaycee7: Not really a great example. You're most likely a fan of the Tokyo Ghoul manga. Most Tokyo Ghoul anime-only fans insist that S3 & S4 weren't bad and manga fans are just overreacting or hating.
Same way Last Airbender fans will tell you Korra is bad while TloK fans will say otherwise.
I have never read Tokyo Ghoul manga
The anime S3 and S4 was terrible and incomprehensible
ShaqFu: I asked a simple question: which Hollywood gang movie did they fight Kung Fu. The deviating loser listed Warrior, gangs of London and John Wick, when called out to inhale the putrid fumes emanating from his lies, the loser quickly shifted the goal post by saying John Wick uses multiple fighting martial art style .
ShaqFu: actually youre way dumber and much too stupid too stupid to even comprehend how you became so stupid to even understand your we earlier position.
Anybody with a semblance of sense that is a shad above yours can see where you tried to deviate, you low budget oaf.
abduleez1: Nah, that's the movies or TV you watched. Most of this talk is coming mostly cos of the unlimited trash MCU has been dishing out lately.
Top Gun Maverick, Avatar 2, Dune, The Batman, The Mandalorian, The Sandman all have premium CGI.
They would splash the cash if they confident in it. I mean Alita was given a $150-200mn budget despite being a high risk project.
Alita really had 150m budget? I just checked...170m...wow
MCU has been having a problem with the CGI lately...so many controversies regarding that
The important thing for me is keeping the story intact...I don't mind minor changes but I don't want a deviation from the AOT story A movie cannot just do S1 Justice at all
abduleez1: I ain't watched Gangs of London yet but from what I can infer from online chatter about it, it's a black gangster show.
Being a gangster organisation doesn't necessarily mean they somehow don't have international reach in some limited capacity. Based on my understanding, John Wick don't really have the themes to be classified a gang movie. It's more or less a crime movie. And[b] "gangster films" are a subgenre of "Crime movies".[/b]
Purely Gangster movies mostly base their themes or setting in locality and hardly venture international. Examples are the Italian Mafia trope or the Japanese Yakuza. Sure they have some little international reach but they majorly focused on their local community of operation. So there's always turf wars, street battle for control and some illegal business to compete in, battle with law enforcement etc.
John Wick doesn't have this. The only thing linking the film to a semblance of gang stuff is just the criminal organisation. Thus the Wick franchise is crime movie. Moreso than a "gangster movie".
watch Gangs of London first... These guys use military grade equipment They have professional assassins etc
They used Helicopters to carry out an assasination... Even the fights seem like Military and Espionage trained fights sometimes
If you're talking local criminal gangs like the mafia or other street gangs like the ones in Power or Peaky Blinders...then that is quite different from The Continental
But The Continental is still a criminal gang, just not like these local gangs...
abduleez1: Alita was made by 20th Century Fox now under Disney's banner. Akira and Cell's at Work are the two projects I believe might be produced within the next 5 years.
AOT project is dead to me... It's seeing you peeps discussing a while ago brought it to my radar and the continuous talk about it from this scooper. That project was in the works when the old regime was there and it's been a while we've heard anything relating to it. So it's kaboom to me.
I believe Hollywood are better with CGI than any movie industry so if they do decide to make such film, VFX won't be an issue. I've always found Asian CGI funny looking. Even this upcoming "Knights of The Zodiac" trailer I saw, the CGI looks cartoonishly funny to me even tho it looks like normal Hollywood superhero kinda theme.
Alita deserves a sequel...I hope we get one in the future
I hope the AOT movie is also dead. I want an AOT live-action but a proper one. A movie cannot do anything Justice...and I know they aren't ready to spend heavy on CGI
Hollywood have better CGI but would they spend much on AOT CGI? I doubt...unless when such effects improve and become cheaper in future... Because even Marvel with unlimited budget are struggling in CGI department recently (although theirs is also as a result of time constraints)
It almost feels as if the CGI in recent Hollywood movies are going backwards rather than forward
abduleez1: I always assumed WB premiumly lagging behind in the anime adaptation game and might be leapfrogged in the next IP battle. Guess I was wrong. But this titles they working with they somehow. And it's been long anyone heard stuff about AOT live action. 🤨 And wetin Waititi name dey do for something serious like dis?? 😐
But how person wan get Akira like dis when Ghost in a Shell na beans? 🤔
are WB the ones who did Alita: Battle Angel?
I don't think Akira is coming anytime soon... And I doubt they'll do it well
Same as another Ghost in the Shell movie...if they make GITS as complex as the original work, it will be hard to casuals to understand it...so it won't work as a blockbuster movie... If they water it down, GITS fans will hate it
I don't know anything about Cells at Work
I don't see an AOT movie coming in the next 10 years sef... 1st of all, it's a terrible choice to make an AOT movie to cover the whole of S1...plus the CGI would need a very large budget to make it not look as silly as the Japanese one
abduleez1: Warrior and Gangs of London ain't movies but TV shows.
Nope. The continental is an international criminal organisation. It's different from street gangs.
I really don't remember Wick using Kung Fu to fight specifically or anyone else. I know they used different mix of Asian fighting styles including Jiu Jitsu, Karate and many others I can't remember.
the original point was about Hollywood in general...so yeah either movies/TV shows...it's all Hollywood
I love how you added the word "street" to separate it. What would you call the gangs in Gangs of London? The gangs that use helicopters
Intercontinental is a "gang/criminal organization" I used that exact phrase in my first post about Intercontinental some pages ago
Not every gang needs to be some local street gang. There are criminal gangs that operate in multiple countries... Intercontinental is one of such
It's understandable that you cannot remember every single fighting style used. I myself had to Google to remember tho...and I'm not even an expert in them tbh Well I and the screenrant post have specifically mentioned Kung Fu being used in Chapter 3 by John Wick himself... Even the post had about 15 different fighting styles used in the John Wick franchise
Most movie directors incorporate multiple fighting styles as you already know. Matrix also incorporated multiple fighting styles