₦airaland Forum

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HungerBAD:
Lol.

In Benue State anything can happen.

Lalastic have you seen this particular Snake culprit?no way you don't know this Snake.

Lol,
2nd to comment, how did it happen ?
Guess you slept off on your way to FTC.

Amarabae:
Where is the project na?
Na ribbon and balloon we de see

How about the ribbon around your booty & the balloon on your chest all for my lustful pleasure.

NafeesaAA:

Will you stop flaunting a label of the fourth deadliest group in our faces..
No sane mind would be proud of that shiit.

shallysgirl:
Rabbish!
The mere commissioner pastor who has denied Christ and Christians is not deceitful or a backstabber abi? I dey ask you question.

He denied Christ & Christianity??
that's some stupid jokes right there.

AryEmber:
You should know that you guys are not the only one who believe in Jesus's existence and his miraculous work/ holy life, others don't just serve him like you do. Now, let me ask you, did the old testament came from him or not?

Since you couldn't prove otherwise, so let's agree that lt's rightly justified.
To your question; simply put, the old testament primarily is the book of the law, the giving of the laws, the practice of the laws ( within the framework of Judaism), the worshipping in the synagogue, the sacrifices etc, whereas the New testament contains the grace, the mercy, the love of God through Jesus Christ, the model of God. The old testament, however still retains its doctrinal value.

Nowenuse:
Saraki could actually be hausa or fulani by ancestry. Is Saraki a Yoruba name? No it's not. It is a corruption of the name SARKI, (which means king in Hausa). So, how come the name?

How many Yorubas, Hausas or Fulanis bear Saraki?. He alone can explain it but the fact remains that his grandfather was an Egba man.

Forceup:
If I want to post or upload photos on nl, I get this..

What could be the issue??

Cum give me a slow bj, ride on it & I'll tell you what bad gateway means

deebee13:
Your comment made me smile. I pray God gives you the grace to be the kind of man you desire to be.

May i worship in your temple & devote my strength to it both day & night.. wrap you up in passion and soulful lust.

AryEmber:
As usual, shits like this are used to justify that.

Aisha sorry o.
show me where Jesus killed or asked such of his followers & i will dump christianity in a heart beat.

Konquest:
^^^^^
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Absolutely @ballerin!

The Egbas ALONE were able to defeat Dahomey
3 good times in the 1800s. Ibadan military
might also defeated the Fulani/Yoruba Muslim
forces in Osogbo,
Otun-Ekiti, and some other battles towards
the borders between Osun and Kwara where
the "Fulani" were defeated again.

But Ibadan was also fighting other Yoruba
subgroups on other battlefronts. If the Yoruba
had not been suspicious of one another after
the rumblings in the Oyo Empire... and the
had combined their forces based on the
sophisticated weapons that they had( Schneider
Guns and Cannons/Gun powder), they would have defeated any invader with ease and taken
the war to Sakwato (Sokoto).

Very correct.
Lagos island & Benin invasion was another similar scenario. If not for the British & the relentless efforts of Samuel Ajayi in reconciling warring factions, God knows what would have been left of the Yoruba nation.

Odingo1:
Actually Yoruba muslims should show us where this mosque was located in Osun 500yrs ago and how they have been practicing Islam with facts, from history books in Nigeria we where told that Usman dan fodio came to Nigeria and spread Islam from the North to northern fringe of yorubaland, that is why Islam is found more at the northern part of yorubaland and it decreases downward to Ondo and very small in Edo where it terminate. Christianity increases from Eastern Nigeria down to Yorubaland also and the north.

Fulani people also boast about how they introduce Islam to Yorubas openly without any objection in any manner both written or verbally from yoruba muslims, one even said that when they came to Ilorin that they kill the locals and force them to abandon their Idol worshiping and embrace Islam, it is all there in national newspapers.

Which history books are you reading?, names, pages, references, authors of the books?
Perhaps which weed are you smoking?
I'm done.

Konquest:
^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^
This info is very true!

From the historical archives, the first mosque
in Yorubaland was in Iwo town in the present
Osun State... or State of Osun over 500 years
ago. This was even before Uthman DanFodio
was born. Islam first came from Mali to
Yorubaland and that is why Yorubas referred
to Islam as "esin imale".


There were also slaves of Northern origin
in Yorubaland who also tended to the horses
that Oyo Empire imported via Nupe country to
build a very powerful cavalry, but the weakening of Yorubaland
through internal disagreements of high-ranking
officials and ruling class in the Oyo
Empire just like in Nupeland led to enemies
from outside taking advantage of the situation
to strike!


Nobody would have dared the Yoruba/Oyo
Empire if there was UNITY... and this lesson
of unity must be strictly followed to succeed
in life... either in the family, business, nationhood
etc.


All the best!

Intertribal wars was the bane of Yoruba that they lost focus on the external enemy.

Odingo1:
If actually that Yorubas are practicing Islam before the fulanis came,then why is it that the number of yorubas practicing Islam decreases from Ilorin to Ondo, North to South trend

Since you disagreed, maybe i should ask you, How did the fulanis spread Islam to all yoruba speaking region?. pls educate me

HomeOfMe:
Absolutely. But they can't prevent people from researching histi. It's just that it seems the generation of men and won àre just interested in entertainment and getting rich quick.

If the current crop of leaders lack the political will to reintroduce history, what can an average Nigerian do?

Odingo1:
This one na your own yoruba version abi, history book did not capture this, Usman dan fodio spread Islam in Nigeria. Fulani brought Islam into western Nigeria, it is on record, it is even said that the fulani scholars gave the name yoruba to yorubas.

You see why you need to stop arguing.
I advice you should go learn to acquire more knowledge.

Odingo1:
Politics or not, how can a man deny his tribe and ancestral heritage publicly because of politics, it tells a lot on the person.
Amaechi is Ikwerre and he is saying that he is Igbo, those at the forefront of pushing that Ikwerres are denying their being Igbo are people of SW through media propaganda, tell me one Ikwerre man that have said publicly that he is not Igbo, don't quote faceless social media where many yorubas disguise as Ikwerres. Even in Rivers state official website it was stated that Ikwerres are Igboid group.

Saraki is not fulani, he has no fulani ancestry. stop arguing needlessly.
I have had a number of encounters with ikwerres & their reactions to being Igbo isn't a pretty sight.

Y0ruba:
No! You did not get Islam from Fulani. Islam had been in Yoruba land before Fulanis or Hausa began to take it serious - see Iwo town in Osun state for example. A good number of Yoruba people in Oyo, Iseyin, Ibadan, Osogbo, Ijaiye& so on were mislims before Afonja invited Alimi. In fact, some of the Ibadan army who fought against Fulani army and defeated them in Osogbo & Odo-Otin were muslims; for example Aare Latosa the head of Ibadan army was a muslim.

Contrary to general belief, Fulani, Hausa & Kanuri were slaves across Yoruba land who served domestic purposes & used during wars. They only used Ilorin as a haven when Afonja declared it a safe zone for them which made all of them flock there. When they invaded Oyo they killed people both Yoruba that were muslim & those who were not.

They did not give you Islam o! This is the mistake most Yoruba people make. We think Fulani brought Islam & introduced it to us, no they did not.

The Hausa which our fathers called Gambari, the Kanuri which pur fathers called Kanike & Fulani were used as our slaves when we were practising Islam way before Alimi & Afonja.

Pleas note this.

Spot on. you know your history.

Odingo1:
BUT the man SARAKI said that he is not Yoruba but Fulani with his mouth, he even mention the part of fulani land that his father migrated from in that interwiew, is just like Chibuike Amaechi the transport minister saying that he is Igbo but people of SW are telling him that he is not Igbo.

Are you aware of what politcians say with their mouth? if you understood ilorin politics as it relates Northern regional government pre independence, you would hardly be surprised.
By the way, SW aren't insinuating Amaechi is not igbo rather ikwerres are denying their being Igbo.

Nowenuse:
Stop that rubbish, only the case of hausas and Ilorin people is closed and perhaps some other northern tribes.

Fulanis will never capture Plateau, Benue, Nasarawa & Taraba. Same with Southern Kaduna. Very soon, I see them loosing Adamawa too. The christian tribes of Adamawa are gradually uniting. Their voices will soon be heard.

Kanuri people are also tired of fulanis, but Boko haram has made them a shadow of themselves and the belief in Islamic bondage is still a problem.

Ilorin is not a closed case. Are you aware there is already a case before the court, but as i said, Saraki is an obstacle course, he played a key role in stalling the case.
Did you read this interview intently?
Are you aware of the forces at play?

Odingo1:
No, Saraki is not yoruba, he said in an interview that his father is a fulani that he is a fulani man, that they bear yoruba middle name because of their grandmother who is a yoruba woman, google it.

Nonsense!
A Fulani man from which clan?
why did none of his children has no fulani name?
Why was he refused by the fulanis to be a member of the Arewa Consultative forum?
why was he rejected to contest as a presidential aspirant in favour of Sheu Shagari?
Think! Use your brain.....
political expediency.

Dirkcoyt:
how is saraki a blockade

Ilorin is saraki's estate. He is Yoruba but pledges allegiance to Fulani Muslims for cheap political gains.

ayoxelee:
see this mumu..... An average Ilorin man will prefer to b addressed as a Fulani man than being addressed as a Yoruba man.... So dnt just come n open ur mouth on NL

You're daft. Religious correctness is a mere charade, a tool to corrupt the tribal identity of the people just as the case of Hausa/Fulani bullshit. A Yoruba is a Yoruba while a Fulani is a Fulani no matter the religion.

Nowenuse:
Of course it has to be by violence!

Go and ask Southern Kaduna people how they broke out of the strangling grip of Zaria emirate. Millions of Southern Kaduna christians have been ruled from Zaria and all their local chiefs, village head and traditional rulers were fulani muslims sent from Zaria. What do you think caused the 1992 Zangon kataf crisis where the whole town was burnt to the ground and thousands of people died?

Go and ask Sayawa people (Hon Yakubu Dogara's tribe) of Bauchi south how they broke out of Bauchi emirate. They had to organize an ethnic cleansing and chased/kill all the fulanis away from Tafawa balewa town, till today, there is no mosque in that town! If not for that, you could imagine how fulanis were dominating Sayawa christians in their own ancestral land. It had to take series of crisis and bloodshed.

In Adamawa too, one tribe (Michika LGA) have also pulled out of fulani rule, but the fulani dominated state have refused to recognize it. See how they did it, when the current fulani king died. The fulani emirate in Mubi was about to send another king, the locals ambushed the coming king, chased them back to Mubi and forcefully crowned their own as king. Killing every fulani left behind. Now they are no longer under fulani rule.

However, dozens of other tribes in Adamawa, in Borno south and Yobe, and even some in Taraba still remain under fulani rule. Why do you think the fulanis have been fighting Bachama people in Adamawa recently? Bachama people are the only people in Adamawa who were never under fulani rule, hence the only threat to absolute Fulani domination in Adamawa. Fulanis can do anything they like and go free all over Adamawa state, but not in the 5 LGAs of Bachama and neighbouring peoples.

I pity that foolish old man who thinks they can overthrow a full emirate without crisis. Infact, theirs would need to be a full scale war, because unlike northern minorities who were only breaking away from the emirates, these ones want to overthrow a full blown emirate.

I wonder why most yorubas just like to deceive themselves. Cc laydoh, TheKingIs.Here, sasa.lite, ZorGB.Uooeh

You're not further from the truth.. A lot of tensions & resentments are brewing in the North. Likewise the Kanuris have grown tired of the Fulanis.
At a point in history, the people of Ilorin rebelled & chased away a sitting emir back to sokoto but was restored through the intervention of the British.
The Afonja ruling house is still a part of the highest making decision body in Ilorin emirate which explains why they are a bit laid back. Other areas of the North you mentioned were being totally overlord by the Fulani's dynasty which is a different situation to the Afonjas who are being accorded a special recognition in Ilorin. Nonetheless, Fulani's fang must be broken.

HomeOfMe:
Wish we could still locate our history books,all these àre true..

You can always locate historical accounts from the archive.. that's your surest bet.
There was an ugly incidence as recently as three months ago whereby a certain guest was recounting the Asaba massacre during the civil war & the need for Nigerians to honour the victims as a means of bonding. Moments after a short break, a call came in from the NBC asking that the show be discontinued with immediate effect. If such a lesson could be banished on the media, how much less a school curriculum. Some people from a part of the country are dead scared of history being taught in our schools.

HomeOfMe:
But how did we allow normads travelling from the middle-east through Africa to settle on our lands,capture it and begin to rule us? If this isn't slavery then what is?

They were jihadists who had journeyed to Africa to spread Islam through swords, bows and arrows.

madridguy:
To start with, are you from the town?

Trying to be clever by half, are you from the town as well?
The point remains that Yorubas can practice Islam independent of sokoto calip.. if Hausas accept subservience, yourubas mustn't. They don't belong to the same class.

laydoh:
u hit am,i was talking 2 one of my brodas frm ilorin one day bashing dat stupid emir dat he is a politician,if u see ao he replied me.they have grown accustomed 2 dat guy lyk say na him b prophet muhammed.bt dey didnt knw history.

This is the same problem i have with some of them. Yorubas are far more educated than the Hausas, so why would they allow the sokoto caliph use religion to subjugate them like they do the hausas. Sokoto is different from ilorin in culture, language & history.
Yoruba Muslims should rather push for Ilorin as the headquarters of Yoruba Muslims with an Oba as the head of Yoruba Muslims... period.

madridguy:
Don't have time for baseless argument.

Then keep shut. Ilorin is a yoruba word not fulfude. They want an Obaship not emir. either through peace or otherwise, they will get it.

laydoh:
u r on a long tin bro,d present can only b changed through endless bloodshed and war.

Then be ready for war.. Yoruba Muslims are the problem of Yoruba. who says you can't practice your faith while having a Yoruba Oba on the throne?

madridguy:
Impossible.

It will shock you. The era of emir in Ilorin is coming to an end. The people of ilorin will practice Islam with a Muslim Oba on the throne of their fathers.

ZorGBUooeh:
A Gazillion opc's and a Trillion agbakoyas can't try it..Even in dia wildest dreamz.

Fulanis are dead flies in illorin. They are cowards, no one is afraid of them.
Saraki is the major stumbling block, if he dies, the alliance of Fulani to Ilorin dies.
Yorubas will correct the mistake of Alimi no matter how long it takes