GuyWise: Chino going with your logic we will now tag Gozie Okeke and Njideka Okeke and other countless musicians from Anambra as inferior because they are using the Izugbe langauge?
GuyWise: Chino going with your logic we will now tag Gozie Okeke and Njideka Okeke and other countless musicians from Anambra as inferior because they are using the Izugbe langauge?
Whatever happened to your sense.
Everything is superiority contest to them. I was a bit surprised with pazienza saying they will be subdued if the accept onitsha tag
IzuAgu: I have friends from Amichi, Osumenyi etc and all of them identify themselves first as Nnewi people until you press further before they say they are from Nnewi south.
ANAMBRA IS A MONOLITHIC STATE
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Even Oliver call them by their individual towns. Only people from nnewi north he call nnewi.
pazienza: It's pan Igboism at work. Patience Ozokwor and Chiwetalu Agu are also from Udi Enugu, and they all speak that dialect cluster in Anambra I spoke of in their movies.
You should try being a pan Igboist, rise above your clannish tendency and see all parts of Igboland as one. You should be like Ozokwor and co.. Ojukwu left Omambala and nested in Enugu, Victor Umeh nests in Enugu, Arthur Eze nests in Enugu, and countless others. Because when it comes to real estate, Enugu is number 1 in Igboland. Same reason Enugu people speak that Dialect cluster from Anambra central, because it's the lightest and easiest Igbo dialect. It's sweet and pleasant to any Igbo ear.
It's not inferiority complex . It's pan Igboism.
That is pidgin igbo with roots from few anambra towns. Its highly simplified. Every body speaks it. Anambra have no large lingo-cultural group hence the current madness of forcing anambra homogenous identity
pazienza: Well, personally, I wouldn't accept my town to become subdued and named after another town. Afamefuna biko. I have no qualms with Nekede and even Orji people accepting the Owerri tag, or With Nike, Awkunanaw people, accepting the Enugu tag( but notice that the Ngwo part of the Enugu-Ngwo, had to be removed for Nike and Awkunanaw people to accept that tag). They must have their reasons for that. I also wonder how Towns in Nnewi South that are not part of Nnewi town, agreed to accept that Nnewi South name, I felt they should have created a new name for themselves, when they were carved out from the old Nnewi LGA. To each group ,their own.
But I personally wouldn't accept Ogidi becoming named Onitsha, instead a new name should be shopped for the new city covering Onitsha, Obosi, Nkpor, Ogidi, Ozeh, Okpoko. They are currently using "greater Onitsha" for the whole new cluster of developing towns around Onitsha city.
Nobody from nnewi south identify himself as nnewi man. Even he does, nnewi people will remind hom that he is not. All LGA in anambra are heterogeneous apart from nnewi north
IzuAgu: That different communities are bearing their respective names doesn't change the fact that Anambra is MONOLITHIC STATE. We are a one people irrespective of our differences.
If ogidi is one with onitsha pazienza will be proud to be called onitsha man
UdechiHD: Nri Priest will never change. I admire you stance sometimes concerning this Omanbala identity. But why don't you make it an Eri/Nri belt affair. Like promoting this consciousness around the Anambra East/ Anambra West/ Oyi/ Njikoka/Awka North and South/Agulu and to an Extent Idemili North and South that is if they accept it. This belt share a lot in common in dialect, proximity and cultural practices. Why extent the Omanbala identity to Anambra South Senatorial district who are for centuries both in language, proximity, marriage rites and custom identical to Ndi Isu of Imo and Abia. It surprise me a lot because as an Isu man myself, we should be the one clamouring for an authouchtonous Isu identity that encompasses our people everywhere, but we don't do such. Why are you folks from your section trying to co-opt our kinsfolks into your Omanbala charade. A dream that won't work. We Isu's don't go about trying to create an Isu origin nonsense for all Igbo clans, neither do we go about creating a new identity for ourselves. We believe that the Igbo identity supersedes all others and that a boundary drawn by man cannot divide our heritage.
pazienza: Well, personally, I wouldn't accept my town to become subdued and named after another town. Afamefuna biko. I have no qualms with Nekede and even Orji people accepting the Owerri tag, or With Nike, Awkunanaw people, accepting the Enugu tag( but notice that the Ngwo part of the Enugu-Ngwo, had to be removed for Nike and Awkunanaw people to accept that tag). They must have their reasons for that. I also wonder how Towns in Nnewi South that are not part of Nnewi town, agreed to accept that Nnewi South name, I felt they should have created a new name for themselves, when they were carved out from the old Nnewi LGA. To each group ,their own.
But I personally wouldn't accept Ogidi becoming named Onitsha, instead a new name should be shopped for the new city covering Onitsha, Obosi, Nkpor, Ogidi, Ozeh, Okpoko. They are currently using "greater Onitsha" for the whole new cluster of developing towns around Onitsha city.
Not that it is bad to retain the identity of your towns but that's the proof of lack of homogeneity in that area. Not saying you have committed abomination by rejecting onitsha tag
pazienza: So you plan to create an Omambala ethnic group and reduce us to inconsequential minority, like those Igboids? You want to ruin the great works of our heroes past like Zik, Okpara, Nzimiro, Akanu Ibiam, etc did in uniting our people. It will not work for you.
Igwebuike is an ancient wisdom of our forefathers. Also Izu ka nma na Nne ji is another one. We bear names like IGBOerika, Igboesika, Igbokwe, Igboachu, etc. What you suggest is not wisdom.
The funny part about this madness is that nkpor or obosi people will kill you if you dare call their town Onitsha. But Nike man is Ok with enugu. Nekede is kull with Owerri. Osisioma is kull Aba. Obollo afor is Ok with Nsukka. Whither the monolithic anambra?
pazienza: Lol! So in precolonial era, the Amansea man will leave his Ugwuoba neighbors and head to Onitsha to marry a wife? The Orumba man will leave his Umunneochi and Oji river neighbors and head to Enugu Ukwu to marry a wife.
OMANBALA1: Dont be ignorant, Igbo was never one entity before the whites arrived. It was just recently that Anambra started marrying from Imo, before it can never happen.
If igbo is a recent identity how much more anambra or any other state for that matter?
pazienza: Lol! There is nothing like Anambra dialect. I was in Amesi n Aguata for an event yesterday. The language sounded funny. I swear, I thought I was in Imo state. If a man from that part of Aguata comes to Ilo ngwodo, Nkwo ezi udo, Afor Igwe or Ogbe otu and start speaking that their language, my people will call him "Onye Imo".
They were speaking conc Isu language there as indigenous language. I wanted to interview the people more about their origin, but I ran out of time.
Yes! Idemili/Njikoka/Anaocha/Dunukofia/Oyi dialect cluster is the quintessential language people ignorantly call "Anambra language". It's the lightest form of Igbo language, it's not nasalized at all, and it avoids harsh diphthongs like "sh" sounds like mad. It's exotic and sweet to the ear. It loves simplicity and strives to keep things simple.
For example. Nwabunwanne becomes "Nwaa'nne", notice how "bu" was removed. Chibuzo becomes "Chi'uzo", m mafu ama gi ula becomes " m mafu ama 'I ula". Notice the omission of letter "g".
Every unbiased Igbo knows deep inside that this dialectical cluster found in Anambra is the sweetest, lightest and easiest to understand of all Igbo dialects.
Aguata is another "Imoid" LGA in anambra just like ihiala. The term "anambra dialect" is another fraudulent claim. That lightest igbo version found in that language cluster in anambra is not spoken all over the state. The five LGAs you mentioned has no unifying name due to lack of large gruopings in the state otherwise it would have been difficult to fraudulently call it anambra dialect. It was adopted as " pidgin igbo" for informal purposes because of it's simplicity. While the heavy igbo version from imo/abia axis standardized into igbo izugbe for official use
pazienza: They are not being claimed, they are one people. You can as well do reverse claiming if you wish. For example, we can claim Asaba (Nteje), Ogwashiukwu (Nri), Obomkpa (Nri), Ibusa (Isu Nnewi South). We can claim Nsukka (Nri, called Nshi in those parts ), We can claim the entire Isu clans in Imo and Abia by claiming that we have Isus who are autochthomous in Anambra South. We can claim Ibaji Kogi people .
The list is endless. But you cant do this, since you had created an illusion of a monolithic Anambra with a mono culture in your head. You see an Ihiala man as a brother because Gowon drew a line there, but can't think beyond Gowon lines, to see that the Ihiala man you hold unto, is also attached to another by culture and language.
You are just being unnecessarily fearful. Holding too firm to artificial creations of Nigeria called states, without understanding the pre colonial kinship amongst groups in Igboland.
I don't see Urata people in Imo crying about losing Okigwe , Ideato etc to a new state. Because they know they are not actually kin with those people. I don't see Ezza people crying over Afikpo plans to join the new state, because they know that Ebonyi is an artificial creation. I don't see Nkanu people crying over the plans of Nsukka people to form Adada state. All these groups understand the pre colonial arrangement of Igboland better and they understand the purpose of state creations.
Pazienza. I marvel at the intelligence oozing out from your comment as against empty chest beating by other anambras. This new madness of anambra monolithic identity must be nipped in the bud. The Nri issue which some are using to promote anambra supremacy is even ridiculously because Nri has ties with towns outside anambra than its neighboring towns in anambra state. Nsukka is an offshoot of Nri with further connections with Idah
OMANBALA1: I get that but today we have Anambra and all over the world communities will emerge one way or another. All the towns in Anambra today has been interacting for centuries before the state was created ,so, its not like people were moved and merged together.Lousinna people were originally but today they are Americans and proud. Ihiala bu Ndi Anambra and I know a certain Chijioke Ngobili on Facebook and he will rather die than allow his town to be carved out.
Living and interacting for centuries and deciding to remain in one state does not make anambra a homogeneous entity. Otherwise Nigeria should be considered homogeneous too
hammerFC: Anybody that look closely can see that from all angle, they are looking for small pieces of Anambra to collect.
Well, count us out of any state creation in the SE.
No part of Anambra want to be added anywhere.
Leave us as we are.
Adada state is the only propsed state accepted by both the new state and the parent state. Nobody is pushing for new state creation from anambra. However, laying claim to homogeneity must be countered because it's fraudulent
pazienza: Nwanne, what are you talking about here. I don't understand this your post.
Isu is spread across Imo North , Abia North Anambra South and Parts of Enugu.
Their language is the language we associate with Imo state today. Many people don't even know that Imo state don't have a single language too. They are not monolithic as well.
There is actually no monolithic state that's why the fraudulent claim by anambra must not be allowed to fester. Anambra has no large groups like other states
pazienza: I don't want our people getting attached to Nigerian states and LGAs. We should see them as nothing but a means to extract more from the national cake. Which is exactly what they are. Claiming that an Umuchukwu man is now more of a brother to the man from Idemili, than he is to the Eziama man in Abia state, he shares same language, boundary, food, masquerades, streams, etc with, because of silly Nigerian states creations, is no different from the Anioma man, who now thinks he's more related to the Urhobo, Isoko, Itsekiri, Edo, etc, just because the British man called Bernard Bourdillion separated Anioma from the rest of Igboland in 1939.
Those who propagate the absurdity of Nigerian states as their new identities, while ignoring precolonial existing clans and kinships, are no different from Ikwerre, Ika, Ukwuani, Ogba, etc. Who are today assuming New identities given to them by Nigeria, while throwing away kinship shared with groups in SE.
Let's think twice about this.
Oga thank you so much sir. There are no large groups in anambra. Only independent towns. In enugu, the whole state is made up of only five groups
Osagyefo98: Why should I be involve in a divisive debate?
Go and debate about your nsukka and leave anambra alone.
This is a pan igbo forum. There is nothing divisive in the debate. Your monolithic claim is false and mischievous. Only nnewi north LGA is monolithic in Anambra state
OMANBALA1: Of course , Anambra has variants of dialects. From Aguleri traveling down it changes but the people remain the same. Oliver de coque is from Aguatta, now tell me how Aguatta speaks like Imo....lol
Anambra is not same people neither do they speak ssme dialect. Nnewi is the largest subgoup and they only have one LGA, nnewi north
pazienza: You are mistaken. Ihiala speaks pure Isu dialect of Igbo, found in Northern parts of Imo state.
Nnewi speak a unique form of language, corrupted by loan words from the Isu groups found in Nnewi South. Land is Ana in Nnewi, but it's "Ala" in Ihiala.
Thank you sir. Ihiala has nothing in common with nnewi. Ihiala has a lot in common with imo people
pazienza: Anambra and all other Igbo States are a creation of Nigeria. Nothing special about states in Nigeria. They only serve as conduits for national cake sharing. Ranging from representations in NASS to allocations, appointments and other forms of national cakes, nothing more and nothing less. An Awka man will never be more of brother to an Owelle Ezukala man, than an Isuochi Man who he speaks same dialect, eat same food, have same masquerade and have been neighbors with since the dawn of time.
I have been to Orumba parts of Anambra, and I know for sure that majority of their commoners don't have issue with Etiti state creation to reunite them with other Isu groups in Abia North, Imo North and Parts of Enugu. They( Orumba/Ihiala) people are the ones to decide if they want to reunite with those their neighbors, and not you or any of us from outside those areas.
Anambra will not be the center of Igboland, even if you add Anioma to SE. Go and take a look at the map of Igboland again.
You claim to be Biafran, yet you are buying the idea of states as created by Nigerian state as a meter of measurement of Igbo groups unity. You don't seem to understand the various groups and clans in Igboland, prior to Gowon state creations in 1967.
Thank you sir. Anambra monolithic claim is the most ridiculous thong I have heard in recent times.
BrownRoofRep: Dude you are not making sense at all, do you even bother reading my post?
some people from the same village in Anambra state name their daughters Ebele while others name Ebere. It means nothing! Ebele and Ebere means the same thing in Anambra state.
Osagyefo98: Why are u guys purely focused on anambra state?
I havee never wondered for a day digging into enugu affairs but u guys will leave ur enclave and be analysing others.
On a candid note.....anambra is a monolithic state.
Monolithic state where nkpor, obosi etc reject onitsha tag?? Nsukka is the name of just one town but 7 LGA adopted the name due to their homogeneity. Apart from nnewi with one LGA no other homogeneous LGA in anambra
IzuAgu: Listen this low class Nsukka clown. Aguata, Ihiala, etc speak speak "ala'. Other parts of Anambra speaks " ana". Anambra is a monolithic state. The first Igbo Bible was written in Onitsha language.
Anambra colonized Enugu people and gave them the Igbo dialect they speak today in Enugu urban. You can't find an Nsukka man speaking Nsukka dialect in public, he would rather speak that which Anambra thought him which is Anambra dialect. That is the influence of Anambra in Igbo land as the flagship state.
Thank you very much. Aguata is another LGA with people of Imo stock.
BrownRoofRep: Lol The story they are telling on you people is turning to be true. So because Ihala enviroms speak the same tongues with some part of Orlu makes them part of Imo State? Do you even know anything about close proximity and related tongues? I have never seen someone from Ihiala or Nnewi claiming Orlu Origin, I have never seen someone of those area asking to leave Anambra for Imo. Or any without full entitlement as an indigene of Anambra state.
ANAMBRA AS A STATE IS THE MOST MON-ETHNIC IN NIGERIA.
Maybe tomorrow Awka will join Enugu state because they speak similar tongue with Orji River.
Let me say it again, I have never seen someone from Ihiala claiming the same origin with Orlu origin? Go and tell Nnewi man that he is not of Nri stock let's see what will happen to you.
Finally, not every part of Anambra call Ebele, some actually say Ebere. We don't say ANA bu ANI.
Now that is the point. Some ebere others ebele shows they are not same people but in the same geographical expression called anambra. Maybe your town say ani but others say ana hence anaocha LGA still buttresing the heterogeneity of the state
IzuAgu: Anambra is 100% monolithic and a people. There's no part of Anambra that wants to be carved out into a new state. Ihiala in Imo? Are you dumb? Stop saying what you don't know. Concentrate on your Nsukka people.
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"Ala" is Imo dialect eg Aladinma in Owerri. Anambra equivalent is "ana" eg Anaocha LGA. Ihiala people are of Imo stock. Anambra lack large sub groups. Nsukka is the largest monolithic people in igboland followed by Ngwa
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