all4naija:
It is now about what you write not what feminism is all about. You do not understand what feminism means. That is what I am telling you. Jeez!

I understand perfectly what feminism is. You're the one who won't understand simple English! : and is what I've been writing not what feminism is about?? Yes it is. You're so deaf to the truth. I told you that there are crazy people who claim to be feminists but they are MISANDRISTS. Real True Feminists believe in EQUAL rights.

all4naija:

No, I don't! You argue against submissiveness and that is the notion of having a husband.

Having a husband means being a servant?

all4naija:
Why is it that men are the subjects of feminism not actually equality? Men-are-this-and-men-are-that idea. In fact, the accusation is directed at men!

I'm seriously beginning to vex with you. Are you not reading anything I write?

all4naija:

It doesn't look like there is equal heads-of-home in your post. HUSBAND! Hahaha...

Do you believe in a household that only has one successful person while the other one is a modern day servant?

pinceprinz:



Now you're beginning to make sense! That you've set your limit gets a 'welcome nod' from me . However, feminism is not like religion where Extremism is not the it at all. Extremism is totally off-point as long as religion is concerned but for feminism , you're either in or out (totally) . So, let me ask u, are u IN or OUT?

I'm a feminist confam

all4naija:

You are becoming philosophical about it. It is clear in our arguments that feminism doesn't only advocate for the rights of women also discriminates against men.

It is clear in our arguments that feminism advocates for the rights of women and does not discriminate against men

all4naija:

She refuses to change the title of the thread. She is just being an aberrant lady who knows the truth about gender equality yet takes the wrong path of feminism.

I am changing it to "Why Are Some Nigerian Guys So Misogynistic." Because there are Nigerian guys who are misogynistic like @pinceprinz

pinceprinz:


! I can't believe my eyes right here!! Did you just write husband


I mean, you do see yourself falling head over heels for a man well enough to marry him WOW!

Yes. Yes I do. You don't even know me and you're there making stupid assumptions about who I am based on your preconceptions of independent women. I would like to marry and I would also like to be successful. I would like to have a family and still make a name for myself.

all4naija:
I have the right explanation which is more detailed representation of feminism than definition. That is perhaps the reason why you don't have good understanding of what feminism is all about, lady.

I understand very clearly what feminism is. You can't say a moderate belief in an ideology is the same as an extreme version of an ideology. Christianity is different from fundamentalist Christianity. Islam is different from fundamentalist Islam. Every ideology ever named throughout history has an extreme. You can't discount an entire ideology because of the extremists.

pinceprinz:


I could be witty I know, been told that over n over no brags


But u will sha open your legs for a man to penetrate and off-load abi?

If he is my husband then there's no problem there.

EgusiSoup:


How does I know she was joking?

Take it from me. I was joking

all4naija:
So stop following ideological movement like feminism.

I believe in the feminist ideology. You have the wrong definition of feminism

pinceprinz:


Praise your what? God Forbid!!

Even in bed, I'm so good at what I do I shout my own name


Anyway, it's cool being the ambitious lady that you seem to be. Just continue to brace up to grace some 'powerful men's ' bed anyway be4 u can actually get some 'water' to quench your thirst for power ....


In conclusion, Always have it in mind 'the man is the HEAD of the family.

Augur well

I will not sleep with any man to be successful. It will not be necessary. I laughed at that line above sha.

all4naija:

It is good you fight back. I appreciate your courage. I think I like you. Seriously.

Thank you

all4naija:

The fact is that feminism does not only promote gender equality also discriminates against men. That is the disadvantage of it. You have to come to term with that first. Gender equality is encompassing for both sexes. Why do you have to ask for more?

But I'm not asking for more. I'm asking for gender equality

pinceprinz:





Stubborn goat ! Carve your own 'unique' path and bear the consequences alone

I know my road won't be alone and I will carve that unique path VERRYYY well. and one day one day you will be praising my name. Continue living^your life. Each to their own

all4naija:

I would rather say that is a convoluted statement than a clear explanation.

I've realised there's no point discussing with you. When I give you a detailed answer, you complain. I give you a simplified answer, you say it's convoluted. I don't know what else you want me to tell you. My position on feminism is strong and remains unchanged. The funny thing is that we agree on gender equality but you refuse to see that Feminism promotes gender equality

pinceprinz:



Wow! I'm flattered

I'm very happy for you. Keep flaunting your ignorance and may you find a lady equally as ignorant as you (if you haven't found one already ).

all4naija:

Crying as in yell out! Like rant all the time instead of fighting back. You know what I mean.

Do you have a boyfriend?

But I was fighting back since. I was defending my side. I was backing up my argument with evidence. And no I don't currently have a boyfriend

pinceprinz:



Wrong!

Feminism originally want fighting for BOTH genders! Its feminism (parasitic) not mutualism

Feminism is gender equality. Gender equality is mutualism.

pinceprinz:


. Truth stings I know so I understand your pains sweet . Rethink when you're calm

Your ignorance is mind-blowing.

all4naija:
Now you are talking as an equal person with him. I don't like when you have to cry all the time. Do you have a boy friend? I am curious to know. Nothing more than that.

Which one is crying? Who was crying? I was trying to talk rationally to both of you but you won't hear word.

all4naija:

You are take that very personal. Why are feminists harsh on men?

feminists aren't harsh towards men. They address societal and cultural as well as religious restrictions placed on women. If a certain type of man is the one putting on the restrictions (Misogynists), a feminist will address that particular group of men.

all4naija:

If we must accept the definition as in the bold part of your post then equality is no longer the issue but competition. To advocate for equality from a lopsided angel(it is even not culturally inclusive in your definition) is not equality. Equality has to do with both sides balanced for it to be equal. Gender equality fits that not feminism. In fact, feminism is so confusing that it has metamorphosed into different variants of movement and it is no longer appeal to people.

Your view on men rights is flawed. The secured men rights you talked about are sometimes more of a burden. The society is to be blamed for that not men(as you rightly said earlier). There are many women who are also against feminism.

Feminism is gender equality. Anything that promotes a gender being superior is not feminism

pinceprinz:


Then I feel you don't belong here. Go to Jupiter and live in solitary

You can go to the sun and fry there.

pinceprinz:



Not yet! I'm worse off when its that you decide to understand me not . I was saying slave asin supporter when I said that dear, now don't make me feel you're dumb honey

I don't send what you think of me. You have already insulted me enough. According to you I'm a slave and I can never be number one in anything as long as a man is there.

pinceprinz:


I do man. Your referral when you were like change should catch up with 'societies where
women are continuously objectified and treated lesser than men ' was your major point .

I agreed with the objectified by condemning it outrightly but did not fail to remind u women are beings who by nature wants to be objectified, they want to be beautiful for us 'men' (they want to please us). Now what do u call a person who's bent on / meant to in this case, please others? Is he not a 'slave'

Now I believe you are a terrible person. Women are slaves?? women who have self-respect do not dress to please men. They dress to be presentable and to feel good. Do you dress up to impress women? No you don't. You dress up to feel good about yourself or look presentable.

pinceprinz:


I've told you a basic one up there sweet

Accept that the man is meant to have the 'power' first and foremost no matter who you are or what you become

God forbid. I don't accept that.

all4naija:


I never said it is discrimination in a nutshell, I said it discriminates against men looking at it from the point of view it's centered around women rights only. Men are equally oppressed by women as well as society not just in the same magnitude as women though. That is the major differences. To fight for those rights and for the opposite sex not to feel discriminated, because the idea men are oppressing women due to the privileges handed down to them by society,creates this scenario of self-centeredness. A nature of introverts. That is not what equality is all about.

You seems to be leaving out the important part of feminism is not about equality because it has already been known and treated as such. Even United Nation used the word gender equality to address such issue not feminism. The ideology of 'fighting for easy way out' is not only discriminating to the opposite sex but selfish. That is not to be equal in rights.

Let us call equality what it is and feminism what it is. Equality is encompassing in granting equal rights to both genders and feminism is almost the opposite.

fem·i·nism
ˈfeməˌnizəm/Submit
noun
the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

Just because an issue focuses on a specific aspect doesn't mean it discriminates against others. If I work for an organization that specifically feeds Nigerian children, am I discriminating against other African children? No! I'm just choosing to focus on one issue at a time.

Feminism is just focusing on securing women's rights because men's rights are already secured.

all4naija:

I disagree with you. That is completely absurd and unacceptable. The online dictionary definition of 'equality' is 'the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, and opportunities ''. That means there are those(men) who are exercising these as privileges to either oppress or feel comfortable. In reality that is what should be addressed because it has been seen to exist in the society where women are continuously objectified and treated lesser than men. The process to have those rights on a balance for both genders is called equality or gender equality. This is happening in many countries where women become CEOS, presidents, ministers,etc.

Why wouldn't you think it is an illusion when you don't know gender equality exist in the first place?

I agree with everything you've said here. So I don't know why the definition of feminism has been skewed. It's not female domination. It is gender equality

pinceprinz:



lol. Just go on and start comparing the arm muscle of males and females in the same age range dear, are they equal?

That tells you that men were created to have the 'power'.


Again, just go on and start comparing the faces af men and women within the same age range, which is more pretty?

That tells you women were made to be the salt of life.


You see, life is designed in such a way as to allow for sharing the different responsibilities. The man to be the head, and the woman the neck. The moment the neck wants to perform the same task as the head, there comes real wahala.

So, I opine that u stop wasting precious time anticipating for equality, rather , concentrate on getting better with your responsibilities as a woman.

What are my responsibilities as a woman?

all4naija:

The reason it sounds feminine is because it is female agenda to discriminate. The easy pathway to success for men(which is actually not easy at times, excepting in some culture or family that wants male to get educated and have the female get married off early)and freedom you talk about are more like cultural privileges and no intelligent man would see that as something very important. That seems to be common in nations that oppress women and it is very common among religious circles.

However, feminism is not doing women better justice for equality because it discriminates against men. It only talks about women rights rather than both sexes. This is my first time of seeing the words 'male feminist'. It doesn't make sense though. It only points out a hypocritical notion to prove that men are supporting the 'discriminating' feminist movement so that it can be seen as effective and right. Equality is more meaningful and less discriminating when compared with feminism.

If it is about it equal rights as you claimed then let's treat it as gender equality rather than feminism!

FEMINISM IS NOT DISCRIMINATION!! I have said this so many times! Feminists are not fighting for men's rights because MEN ALREADY HAVE RIGHTS. feminists aren't fighting for an easy way out. Feminists aren't fighting for handouts. Feminists are fighting to be allowed to do what they want. They don't want any more societal and religious restrictions. Feminists are NOT saying "whatever a man can do, a woman can do better". They ARE saying that "whatever a man can do, a woman can do also." Feminists are not arguing for MORE rights than men. They are arguing for EQUAL rights with men. I don't understand how you're not seeing this?