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see this review for an example of the Germany or Japan contest, then decide if it's true.

Lexus LS430
Hey, Hans, bad news. Here come those guys from Japan again.

Oct 2000 By FRED M.H. GREGORY Photography By DAVID DEWHURST

ROAD TEST
Some automakers are forever describing their new but utterly ordinary cars as "revolutionary" or "world-class" or "setting a new standard." Such hyperbole, regularly ginned up by shameless proles in the promotion department, have reduced these words of grand praise to hollow drivel. But once in a great while the hyperbole turns out to be true. Which seems to be the case, in many respects, with the new Lexus LS430.

Ten years ago, the first generation of this car, the LS400, permanently changed -- dare we say revolutionized -- the big-spender end of the MARKET. Before Lexus came along, the Germans were riding a reputation of design and engineering infallibility stretching back to the '60s, a myth they leveraged into a monopoly of the luxury-car trade. But as happens with monopolists, they became arrogant and complacent, raising prices to nose-bleed altitudes with impunity and getting by with incremental upgrades to their cars from year to year rather than keeping them up to date with timely redesigns. In effect, they were telling their customers, "Hey, if you're going to quibble, go somewhere else."

Then along came Lexus, and suddenly there was a someplace else. The Japanese company forced the German automakers, Mercedes-Benz in particular, into painful reforms that ended careers and buried long-held illusions of invincibility.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/lexus-ls430-road-test


Personally, I think the Jap guys have been quite under-rated. for one thing though, they really do splash a lot of tech on their cars at an affordable price. take the lexus rx models for example. Some come with swivelling headlamps, sat nav with reverse cam, adaptive suspension and so on, yet the price would pale in comparison to a similar priced German. next buy I think I'll go for a lexus, though i dislike SUVs and crossovers, so i'll be trying a sedan.

right, I meant that I hardly saw any of his technical contributions to nl in recent times.

this is another epic head to head thread on nl auto section. It reminds me the classic battle btw youngboss and trac, of blessed memory. Lol. Then it was about bmw against benz i.e intra Germany, i think it was on the thread about fastest speed... Well, the argument about Germany or Japan will be with us for a long time. Me, I love my benz, though i hold no grudge against the Japs.To each man his own. Keep it up guys.

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My favourite sleeper of all time would be the mb 190 2.5 16. Produced in the late 1980s, it could generate 205hp, and had a 7s 0 - 60mph time. there was no turbo in the engine, just bigger cylinder, and mechanical valve lifters. on the highway it looked like your typical 190, even the spoilers were modest. u could only start to suspect when the 'baby benz' started to grow larger and larger in the rearview mkrror of your overpriced cosmetically endowed sedan.