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Just you're one fool who takes pride in being ignored. I choose to insult you because you're not here to argue sincerely but to hurl stones to see where you can hit me with your wickedly twisted bible explanations

hardasan:
Just show where the bible condemned tithing.

I could have decided to ignore you. Just you're one fool who takes pride in being ignored. I choose to insult you because you're not here to argue sincerely but to hurl stones to see where you can hit me with your wickedly twisted bible explanations. Thinking you can intimate me with your manner of speach.
You just keep changing posts the moment you can no more twist that particular point.
False prophet, is tithes no longer for the sin of the israélites ?

Show me where it was condemned or get thee behind me thou agent of darkness

hardasan
''they must have been setting aside more than'' 10%

hardasan:
Psalm 110 vs 4
King James Bible
The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Hebrews 7 vs 17
King James Bible
For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.


Show where tithing was condemned

hardasan:
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Show where Jesus condemned tithing

hardasan:

Bernimoore mathew 23:23 The fact that 'Tithing (under law) is a function of ''observing the whole law'' mathew 23:23

Your personal interpretation of the scripture without biblical backing is not welcome. Please show where Jesus condemned tithing

hardasan:
(By the verse you quoted), they must have been setting aside more than 10%. I don't care what you call it.

zoedew:
Why it took this long to get here is amazing! Sure way to go!!

hardasan:
If you say christians aren't under the law of Moses, you are saying that the 10 commandements does not apply to christains anymore.

Matthew 23:23King James Version (KJV)
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Matthew 23:23International Children’s Bible (ICB)

23 “How terrible for you, teachers of the law and Pharisees! You are hypocrites! You give to God one-tenth of everything you earn—even your mint, dill, and cummin.[a] But you don’t obey the really important teachings of the law—being fair, showing mercy, and being loyal. These are the things you should do, as well as those other things.


Matthew 23:23Good News Translation (GNT)
23 “How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You give to God one tenth even of the seasoning herbs, such as mint, dill, and cumin, but you neglect to obey the really important teachings of the Law, such as justice and mercy and honesty. These you should practice, without neglecting the others.

Here, the bible says: pay your tithe but don't omit the weightier matters of the law.

hardasan:
The apostles didn't need to ask because it was already being practiced under Judaism. The new converts simply diverted the tithes and went the extra length by giving all

Ken4Christ:
First of, who told you tithe money was used to build university? Are you one of their accountants? It is wrong to reach such a conclusion. I am not a member of winners Chapel but I know the Covenant University is an example of what you are referring to.

The are many other ways men of God make their money outside the tithe they receive. Money can be made through books you write. One good book that makes a record sale can give you millions of naira. Bishop Oyedepo is a prolific writer and I am sure he makes so much money from his books.

Another source is messages recorded in different format.

That he built a university doesn't necessarily mean it was the tithe money.

I am personally not comfortable with the fact that most of their members cannot afford to attend the school. This is another issue all together.

Concerning the deviation you noticed about the present day Church not showing much care for her members, this is another issue all together. But there are Churches that do show care. So, your duty is to locate such Churches and give the best of your support.

hardasan:
This was your first post, that made me reference to Melchizedek receiving tithe though not being a levite. Did you bring superior argument with bible verses? No instead you never mentioned it again

hardasan:
This was your first post, that made me reference to Melchizedek receiving tithe though not being a levite. Did you bring superior argument with bible verses? No instead you never mentioned it again and changed post to this.

(Gen. 14:18-20)... This is the tithe we continue to give under the priesthood of Melchizedek

18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High. 19 And he blessed him and said:
“Blessed be Abram of God Most High,
Possessor of heaven and earth;
20
And blessed be God Most High,
Who has delivered your enemies into your hand.”

And he gave him a tithe of all.

23 that I will take nothing, from a thread to a sandal strap, and that I will not take anything that is yours, lest you should say, ‘I have made Abram rich’

hardasan:
I quoted the story of Jacob, you said we should dwell on the story of Abraham only. I did

hardasan:
(Gen. 14:18-20)... This is the tithe we continue to give under the priesthood of Melchizedek

hardasan:
you asked me to explain where the profit for the tithe came from. I did. Instead of you to admit that you have understood,

hardasan:
What Abraham did with his half of what they recovered is nobody's business.
THEREBY ENCOURAGING STEALIN, WHEN NOBODY ARROGATE OU WITH SUCH POWERS!

so when king saul went to war, was he not entitled to 'war spoils' So when he took big animals for sacrifice was he not entitled? yes he lost his kingship because of protecting his 'entitlement' abi!

calling me a comedian.

Expert post shifter, I'm waiting, change your post again

Goshen360:
I sure do remember. What about it?

Desyner:
Lord Jesus endorsed tithe in Mathew 23:23.


"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgement, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. ."
James 2 vs 10
Over to our intellectual gangsters. Bully me in the knowlegde of the truth.

hardasan:
What Abraham did with his half of what they recovered is nobody's business.
I earn 10,000ngn from a business with a business partner, my co biz owner is not a christian and doesn't believe in tithes, I pay tithe of 1,000ngn on the whole 10,000ngn, my partner comes and shares profits with me, he takes 5,000ngn cus he no send me message, I take 3,000ngn. I changed my mind and gave my partner 2,500ngn and kept 500ngn only as my tfare back home.

Did I pay tithe ? Yes
Is all the 10,000ngn mine? No,
Do I have a right to pay tithe from the money, Yes.
Is it true that since I returned my share of the profits to my partner, I paid tithe on money that isn't mine ? No, no, no

I hope you understand the drama now

Goshen360:
Can people be intelligent enough to spot the huge CONTRADICTIONS in the above and with everything you've been saying in this thread?

Lies are never consistent. You have to lie another lie to cover up a previous lie and it's unfortunate men like you hold the pulpit....smh!

MuttleyLaff:
This is an error because Abraham never met any "high priest"



C'mon now, don't pass the buck, answer charlsecy's question.

You couldn't have already run out of salvo.
Don't be shy, don't feel intimidated...

What goods did Abraham tithe to the ruler cum priest Melchizedek?

hardasan:
You just stubbornly refused to understand anything outside your opinion.
His army and wining the war is his capital that entitles him to increase / spoils of victory. Having won the war, he recovered all the goods from the defeated enemies. That is his profit. Him returning them(the goods=PROFIT) after the tithe was voluntary just as giving tithe from them was voluntary.

hardasan:
(Gen. 14:18-20)... This is the tithe we continue to give under the priesthood of Melchizedek

hardasan:
Tithes is on increase / profits.
I will not stick to only Abraham's story because that story isn't the perfect example.because

Peacefullove:
Clearly, its not neccesary today too






Apostles did. not collect tithes , Church is not feeding them. if that was the case Paul would not say he work with his hands as Tent maker .

BERNIMOORE:
Was it an "increase" a basis that constitutes tithe as commanded, you admitted that tithe is on increase
tell us how the Abrams tithe "recorded" still fits into what you admitted above. Limit your comments to Abraham's only for clarity That is "tenth part of increase" What is Abraham Capital, what constitutes his profit of which 10% was removed and given as a tithe? Remember that tithe is NOT 10% of capital but rather 10% of profit

hardasan:
2. Firstly, Abraham didn't give tithe on behalf of anyone else but himself. I said that because at the time when Abraham gave the tithe he owned the goods. Then when he returned the goods and people, he was still rightfully entitled to some

hardasan:
Gen ch 14 verse 18-20

Ces la même chose mon chéri monsieur
Tithe is the tenth part of your increase which is also profit. It can be currency or corn and wine. .

delexy123:
Common, you are trying hard to be too smart but you shot yourself in the leg with that same quoted passage. Yes showing mercy and faithfulness is important but that doesn't make tithing non existent. Christ was only saying giving tithes shouldn't come in the way of showing mercy and faithfulness. From the passage, he never condemned tithing BUT the Pharisees' showy attitude of giving tithes while neglecting mercy and faithfulness. Shalom

hardasan:
Lol.
Every objective reader can see that you are the one twisting the scriptures and putting your own interpretation.

To your question, . Yes An offering is commanded by God from the tithes.
Please come and show us where offering for sin was mentioned.

Don't avoid this one like you did when I showed you that Melchizedek who wasn't a levite received tithes.
I'm waiting

hardasan:
Ces la même chose mon chéri monsieur
Tithe is the tenth part of your increase which is also profit.

hardasan:
Tithe of tithes is a commandment of God to priests / pastors. It's not the same with offerings for the atonement of sins. [s]That's why pastor's will tell you boldly that they pay their tithes but instead of burnt sacrifices, they can use it to share gifts in the church, build the church or pay to their spiritual fathers.[/s]

Numbers 18:26
'When you take from the sons of Israel the tithe which I have given you from them for your inheritance then you shall present an offering from it to the LORD

"For the tithe of the sons of Israel, which they offer as an offering to the LORD, I have given to the Levites for an inheritance; therefore I have said concerning them, 'They shall have no inheritance among the sons of Israel.'"

hardasan:
Tithe of tithes is a commandment of God to priests / pastors. It's not the same with offerings for the atonement of sins. That's why pastor's will tell you boldly that they pay their tithes but instead of burnt sacrifices, they can use it to share gifts in the church, build the church or pay to their spiritual fathers.

hardasan:
Now, it's time for you to show where the bible expressly said bring your tithe and I will forgive your sins.

hardasan:
Thank God you admitted that Jesus didn't condemn tithes.

Thank God you admit that Jesus died for our sin, not for our tithes.

Tithe wasn't paid for remission of sins.
Burnt offerings ended with the death of Jesus on the cross.

And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

This means that the Jews didn't tithe for their sins, they offered animal sacrifices.

Malachi ch 3 vs 11 says:
And I will rebuke the devourer for your sake; and he shall not [b]destroy the fruits of your ground [/b]

God didn't say pay your tithe and I will forgive your sins, but he will rebuke the devourer from your land

petra1:
Tithe is given of all .

petra1:
My post is explanatory