₦airaland Forum

johnydon22:
Some folk faints, comes to nairaland and say he died and resurrected..
chai...praise the lord my brother!

adanduka:
Jesus and resurrection are not trivia Don't joke with those.

teemanbastos:
praise God... Did you see anything at the other side bingbagbo?

ayoku777:
Let me explain it step by step this way:

PREDESTINATION (Proorizo) God's predetermined will for a man. What He created a man to be an do.

Let me show you examples in scriptures of God's will for man.

2Peter 3v9 -The Lord is not slack concerning His promises, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that ANY SHOULD PERISH, but that ALL SHOULD COME TO REPENTANCE.

God's will for everyman is for none to perish and for every to come to repentance.

1Timothy 2v3-4 -For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our saviour; who will have ALL MEN SAVED, and come unto the knowledge of the truth.

God's will is for ALL MEN to be saved and to come to the true knowledge of Christ.

FREEWILL: This is a man's power of choice or right of decision to choose to submit to God's will for his life or go his own way and do his own thing.

Everyone who is in hell or will go to hell will do so because of this factor -freewill. Because it is not God's will for any man to perish.

And it further goes to show that with freewill, God's will is not always done, and what He created a man to be and to do is not always fulfilled.

FOREKNOWLEDGE: This is God's ability to know beforehand what you will decide to do with the freewill and power of choice that He gave you.

God knows those who will reject or accept His offer of salvation in Christ Jesus. He knows those who will end up in hell and those who will make heaven.

But one thing you need to get straight is this all important fact: What God foreknows about what you will choose to do with your freewill is not decided by Him; and its not necessarily His predetermined will for you (predestination)

If a man goes to hell, God didn't predestine him for hell, the choices he made with his freewill took him to hell.

Infact Jesus said this concerning hell in:

Matthew 25v41 -Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed into everlasting fire, PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS.

Can you see? Notice hell was prepared only for Lucifer and his angels, not for any man. No man was predestined for hell. They go there of there own freewill.

So to answer your question; NO! I don't believe foreknowledge (what God knows beforehand about what you will do with your freewill) can change. But foreknowledge is not predestination. The two are different in scripture.

Predestination is what God created a man to be and do. Foreknowledge is what He knows you will be and do by the choices of your freewill.

But as I said earlier, God does not judge us by His foreknowledge, if He did, He would just create people and throw them straight into hell, without even letting them live out their lives, because He knows that's where they will end up anyway. But that will not be pure justice.

Justice is judging people by what they did, not by what you foreknew they would do.

You tried to make foreknowledge and predestination to mean the same thing. You are wrong!

You said "If I eat rice because God knows... That's predestination." No, you're far wrong; that's not predestination. You didn't eat rice BECAUSE God knows, you ate rice because you chose to eat rice. God just knew what you will choose; He didn't make you choose.

If you commit suicide, you chose to commit suicide. God only knew you will commit suicide, He didn't make you commit suicide or predestined you to commit suicide. You committed suicide of your own freewill.


Calling something the will of God, just because God knew it will happen is wrong. There are many things God knows will happen that are not His handiwork or even His will. Foreknowledge is not predestination.

If you want to know the meaning of a word in the bible, study how it was used and applied in the bible.

What God knows you will decide to be and do (foreknowledge) CAN BE DIFFERENT from what He created you to be and do (predestination).

God's foreknowledge of your choices doesn't mean He predestined you to make those choices. You make them of your own freewill. Get it now?

vjsmiles:
NO MEDICAL EXPLANATION ATTACHED TO YOUR DEATH

vjsmiles:
WERE YOU SICK?

CrazyMan:
Your question was answered in verse 1 of genesis 18. I wonder why you skipped it.

Maamin:
Melchizedek is not Jesus, Jesus is not YHWH

twosquare:
don't be in a hurry, check my explanations above...that's the realm of Him who has neither "the beginning of days or the end of Life" or rather check biblical commentaries. shalom!

twosquare:
I see no evidence you've laid. It is just what has been assumed over and over. May we probe this issue further. A good analysis you've made with those scriptures but verily verily I say unto you, Melchizedek was a man, like Enoch who operated the Abelic testament and by the reason of this was made "like unto the son of God". He was "like"...not exact. He was born of woman but his genealogy was changed because he entered the office of Him who has "neither the beginning of days nor the end of life". That order has always been there and Jesus revived it when He grew in the house of Joseph by the reason of His walk in the Spirit. The name of the Man who entered into the Melchizedekian realm was not mentioned by genealogist, nor his parents. He entered into a kind of priesthood that is forever. By the reason of his walk and sojourn with Elohim, he became a bonafide co-owner of that title.
You should know in the days of the Abelic dispensation, sons were many and the Man who later metamorphosed into Melchizedek was one of them. Was he the highest son of God? Nay, but by mercy entered into another kind of priesthood God revealed at the beginning of days concerning the end of times. That was a prophetic operation about one who wAs coming and shall made known the testament of the Kingdom to the walkers of Faith: The seeds of Abraham. The King of Faith who is also a King of Righteousness blesses the Father of Faith with bread and wine which is a symbolic operation of the Kingdom. If Melchizedek defied Death Like Enoch, then it was as a result of His walk with the Holy One. Entering into the realm of Him who has "no beginning of days or the end of Life" was also achieved by a man...the first of his kind to walk the earth and enter into a priesthood that was made secret by Elohim. The apperance of Melchizedek means one thing: An 'ever' priesthood and Kingdom is about to be seen.

twosquare:
Jesus Christ is not Melchizedek.

SantaMafia:
hahahaha Ghana winning afcon is no big deal. I will rather we focus our attention and efforts at the world cup. Ghana has outgrow afcon after 4 titles. it is just an opportunity to give our young players some exposure

mekaboy:
I drove out this evening in enugu, in front of my junction close to nza strt independence layout enugu, policemen are stationed there.

I know the police men because we see everyday. After i met a friend and chatted with him, i drove off to shoprite.

coming back, there was no light. I put the gen went up, on the tv. The next thing i heard at the junction was gunshots. All types of sounds u can imagine except for bomb. I ran into the room and bent down.

Calles my neighbour and heard a policeman was already lyind down dead.

A friend called me while i was hiding and said he drove past my house and saw police touch lights and other stuff on the grownd and asked what happened.

I told him the gunshots are still on.

Finally i realised its GOD that protects, he controls the time.

If i came in 2mins later, i would have been caught up in the shooting.

The whole place is still quiet, so i have not had the liver to go see what happened.

Make uma follow me thank GOD. #GODWIN.

Generals02:
A child born 33 years ago is now a man, married with kids.

When will Ghana lift a trophy and end the waiting?

By now I expect you to have decamped and joined the winning team to fly the victory banner.

Our colour is Green, white, green and we are the future. Join us today.

RikoduoSennin:
NB: "GOD did not say to any of his angels- You are my son". This clearly seperate God( the one talking) and the one he called his son (God's son/ Jesus).

Note the bold word above "TODAY", Jesus was called God's son on a particular day (it all started on a day before his coming to earth as a Human).

How could one God claim to be the Father of another God else it is just like Adam, Angels, Satan who both creations and Gods at the same time?





Verse 6- God/YHWH brought his "firstborn" not himself not his partner nor part of himself.

God/YHWH is the one who orders the Angels to worship Jesus. So Jesus being worship brings glory to his king maker/GodFather NB: Jesus is worshipped in the bible only in the presence of God/YHWH and not when he is alone- Why is that?



When did Jesus started to rule as King? Before Earth or after Earth?

Was he appointed by Someone/Maybe God/YHWH perhaps? (See verse 9)

Did Jesus need to meet a certain requirement before being a King? Does him being a King depend on Someone (Remember "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemy a footstool for your feet"

NB:YHWH has always been a King for all eternity. Jesus is not the only being called God in the bible- Man, Angels and Satan are God's also.




Many of you forget the bold section above: Jesus has his own personal God/YHWH who does for him what Jesus cannot do for himself, just like God/YHWH does for man also.




Yes, Jesus was used to create the Heavens and the Earth and everything in it hence the use of the phrase "through him were everything made" found in most translations. He was a tool used in creation, that does not mean he is one and the Same with the Father who used him to create.




The above scriptural quote could also be applied to you too, you know. Since you refuse to see everything else but what your clergy told you. We examine the scriptures ourselves just like the Boreans did.

RikoduoSennin:
Is this the height of Ignorances or hatred towards another form of religion?

Did all the rubbish above QUALIFY JW as a cult?

Do Penticostal having another beliefs from Catholics make them a CULT?

Does Muslim having another beliefs make them a CULT?

You have no prove that JW is a cult other than the different beliefs they have from your and your conventional religion.

Oxford dictionary defines "Cult" has;

CULT (N)- (1) A system of religious worship
(2) A small unconventional religious group
(3) Something popular among a group.

Which one apply to ONLY JW and not any other denomination of your supposed good religion?

12large1:
abedi was great but yaya is greater and the greatest midfilder to come out of africa

RikoduoSennin:
NB: "GOD did not say to any of his angels- You are my son". This clearly seperate God( the one talking) and the one he called his son (God's son/ Jesus).

Note the bold word above "TODAY", Jesus was called God's son on a particular day (it all started on a day before his coming to earth as a Human).

How could one God claim to be the Father of another God else it is just like Adam, Angels, Satan who both creations and Gods at the same time?





Verse 6- God/YHWH brought his "firstborn" not himself not his partner nor part of himself.

God/YHWH is the one who orders the Angels to worship Jesus. So Jesus being worship brings glory to his king maker/GodFather NB: Jesus is worshipped in the bible only in the presence of God/YHWH and not when he is alone- Why is that?



When did Jesus started to rule as King? Before Earth or after Earth?

Was he appointed by Someone/Maybe God/YHWH perhaps? (See verse 9)

Did Jesus need to meet a certain requirement before being a King? Does him being a King depend on Someone (Remember "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemy a footstool for your feet"

NB:YHWH has always been a King for all eternity. Jesus is not the only being called God in the bible- Man, Angels and Satan are God's also.




Many of you forget the bold section above: Jesus has his own personal God/YHWH who does for him what Jesus cannot do for himself, just like God/YHWH does for man also.




Yes, Jesus was used to create the Heavens and the Earth and everything in it hence the use of the phrase "through him were everything made" found in most translations. He was a tool used in creation, that does not mean he is one and the Same with the Father who used him to create.







The above scriptural quote could also be applied to you too, you know. Since you refuse to see everything else but what your clergy told you. We examine the scriptures ourselves just like the Boreans did.

ifeness:
No evidence of God or Satan.

RikoduoSennin:
STOP! STOP!! STOP!!! Saying JW is a CULT with Funny beliefs? Stop saying things you can't defend.

In what way is JW a cult and different christian organisation/religion isn't?

Funny beliefs? Did you ask the woman which kind of fear she meant?

Let me help you: Is Satan the Devil "God fearing" or possess "Godly fear" as a quality even though he was created?

Does his actions show any sign of FEAR for any being?

Maybe this will help you picture the kind of Fear being discussed.

M4gunners:
Wao very amazing history and cute pic.