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Nwanyiogwashi:
We don't make noise just pray that Nigeria doesn't break up

Don't mind those drunks.
They think it's by shouting. There is a reason why they say empty vessels make the loudest noise.

Like you said "they should just pray Nigeria doesn't break up"

proeast:
You ogogoro drinkers are so funny, those poisonous drinks is really messing you guys up.

You're actually using Isreali example against Igbos? Between you guys and Igbos, which people actually share similarities with Jews?

Which people are innovative and creative?
Which people are all over the world in large numbers?

Aside our great human resources, Igboland in both SE and SS has more oil and gas resources as well as solid minerals and arable lands, which ones do you ogogoro drinkers have?

The last time you ijaws tried to fight a war, Ojukwu sent some policemen and it took them only 12 days to subdue you all and arrest your men including Boro. Now, contrast that with Igbos that against the rest of Nigeria, Britain, Russia, Egypt, Chad, Niger and Arab League yet the war lasted 3 years!!

Even in the next 1000 years, ijaws will never be our mate because you're too small.

Nigerians having the privilege to spend some decades with Ndigbo in the same country is like a Dog that stumbled on a rare gem. The dog won't know the worth but lick it.
After we are gone, they will tell their grand children that they once shared the same country with the mighty Ndigbo and their children will be like "papa did you actually touch them with your hands?"

Abohboy:
China has a death toll of over 100 million since independence does that make China a contraption?

The ports being closed is due to the lack of good leadership but you cannot ignore the fact that three ports are under construction in the east the Warri port, Bakassi port and Bonny port so to say there's no progress being made in free trade to the east is false even with bad leadershio we're moving forward

The rest of your points are emotional and not based upon any actual economic basis so i'll ignore those the fact of the matter is that having an independent nation won't ensure progress or even good leadership you can't vote good leaders now why would you be able to vote good leaders in ethnic states just answer that question for me this is the sixth time i've asked

The ports were closed by British and Nigeria in 1967 following the blockade of Biafra till date. Its not due to any lack of good leadership.
It is a calculated plan to make Ndigbo permanent economic refugees in other parts of Nigeria. A move which is working perfectly well in Lagos and Western Nigeria.

As for your Chinese example. That is the answer to your why Ndigbo are strict with the few "saboteurs" determined to make Ndigbo continue in servitude and disgrace in Nigeria for their selfish gain.

China is made up of more than 80% Han Chinese numbering over 1 billion so for the Chinese to become great, they have to cut out the few West philic saboteurs that prefer China being under Western cage which unfortunately are up to 70 million (that is roughly 7 percent of just Han population)
I doubt those against Igbo freedom in Igboland are up to that 7%. So it China paid such price, it won't be that big of the future of Igboland.

Remember that you were the one that brought China into this, which more like someone coming with a rope for his hanging

Abohboy:
I was giving an example of a similaritiy Ala has to do with earth and so does Ogboni only difference is that the Ogboni formed a group around it meaning that Ogboni it more like the Ekpe society of the Igbos

I'll try and find what is actually considered Ala in the Yoruba religion but I assure you there's a name for it

Ori has everything to do with Chi it is the spiritual self that resides in the body and they are stilll different languages so how exactly do you expect them to have the same name?

And it is impossible for the Kin and Kith of the Igbos to be in Central Africa because those in Central Africa belong to a completely different language group which the Igbos are not part of, Central Africa is Bantu meanwhile Yoruba are niger congo just like the Igbo so that statement alone tells me that you don't know shit about DNA, culture or even similarities in DNA and culture

If I post a picture of someone from Igboland, Southern Cameroon, Angola, Equatorial Guinea and Congo, can you spot them out easily unlike when I post Igbo man in the midst of other Nigerians except those from Akwa Ibom and Cross River?

AlexBells:
No building of first Niger Bridge under 6 months during the government of MI Okpara and Zik is what I call civilisation the war is a story for another day

If Igboland was Independent, how many bridges and ports do you think will be in Igboland by now?
How many cities do you think will exist around that place the current bridge is today?

AlexBells:
A war is a war, don't give no excuse for being caught by surprise, Mberede Nyiri Dike man Mberede ka eji ama Dike

So some people waking up and attacking a particular group of foreigners in their place is a war?
Then that same group being funded to attack the homeland some of the foreigners they killed before in their place is war?


Was it the establishment of Biafra that triggered the genocide?
If No then Biafra was a response to a genocide and Nigeria an abomination

Igboid:
Nope Ala is not same as Ogboni.
Ala is not an occupy group. It's a deity in charge of fertility and abundance, that must be cleansed once defiled by those who committed abomination.
Stop overreaching Biko.
Ori has nothing to do with "Chi" if it were, it would be part of Yoruba naming system like Chi.

Ndiigbo don't share much with west Africa. Our kin and kiths are more in Central Africa.

We are not even supposed to be in West Africa. We don't know these people (Yoruba, ashanti, etc)

AlexBells:
This two decades could be solved by one decade of political maneuvers and the cost wouldn't have to interrupt our civilisation

7 million death toll since independence is what you call civilisation?

Abohboy:
Easier trade as there is no border between groups
Access to a much larger economy and nation
Potential to recieve larger bank of investments ( larger nation )
Higher demand from other areas for manufactured goods and agricultural goods means more revenue for Ndigbo

Besides it's 2021 is there really a point in dividing at this point in time? Should we not weather through this dryspot in history and see what we can do to build back better? A group recently did a consultation with Ifa and Afa and they said Nigeria is rife for revolution come 2022 and by 2023 there will be a massive change shall we not wait for that massive change to occur before automatically choosing secession?

I will answer you in one, two, three

1.) Easier trade is guaranteed where there is free movement of goods in and out of the country . Can that be said for Ndigbo in Nigeria where their own and nearest ports (Eastern ports) are blocked by Nigerian port policy?

2.)Ndigbo leaving Nigeria will make Igbo land the largest Economy in West Africa after the limits placed by us by Nigeria, eg the ports is relieved.
Secondly Nigeria is not a nation as they lack all the characteristics to be called one. Contraption is the name and right now with the death toll of 7 million since independent and 300,000 as of last year, how many do you think will be alive in the next 50 years to call themselves big?

3.) immediately Igboland leaves Nigeria, any bank or multinational that intends to deal with the new nation must establish a base in the new Country significantly increasing her chance for receiving investments. While many starts investing in the country directly as a way of increasing their influence and reach.

4.)the birth of Igboland will lead to the immediate regulation on the quality of agricultural products thereby increasing the health of the population not positioning it to a dumpster. The country in her own creates an arm to handle the agricultural needs of the country based on the country's taste.

Infact Nigeria is a Curse to Igboland.
A contraption designed with the sole aim of punishing and trying Ndigbo down

I didn't even care to ask you if you might be confident to travel by road to the other parts of the so called Country right now.

AlexBells:
I'm in support of referendum, as that should be an aspect of any mature nation but currently there had not been Avenue for such, and we need to address the approach to things,

When IPOB defeat Nigeria like Eritrea did to Ethiopia, the avenue will appear by force like it did in Ethiopia.
Just relax and enjoy the movie.
The flame has been ignited. It will take decades like the one of Eritrea that took two decades but it will happen.

Idiko1:
Are you serious with the bolded? You have written like someone who chip on his/her shoulders. Which government in world tells its citizens the state of its weaponry? Till this day, do you know the stock of arsenals of Nigeria?

He is making it to look like Biafrans just woke up and started fighting Nigerians sidelining the fact that Biafra was declared at the middle of a genocide not before it or after

Igboid:
Don't forget Igbo-Etche too.

Leave that Nigerian. He said it was Britain that taught us how to speak Igbo and named our towns for us
Nigerians sef

AlexBells:
What I just want people to understand is, first of all understand that not all Igbos are truthfully in preference of Biafra and people can only accept your referendum when you won't Prejudice them into a terrible tag of saboteurs just becuase the prefer to associate with a different ideology,

If you think that a significant amount of Ndigbo detest Biafra, why are you not advocating to referendum to make it obvious.
Or do you think that after the majority say no to Biafra during the referendum that they will be hunted down by the Biafrans that won't exist after that?

Once the majority says no, the Biafran dream stops immediately.

As for saboteurs, any unscrupulous element actively fighting against the progress of the larger group is termed as such. Go and read about what England, France and Italy did with theirs after the 2nd World War

AlexBells:
You are not answering the question, don't avoid it, how did this beacon get adopted by the majority, was it not through the British by first introducing an encompassing language?

Wait oh? Are you saying Britain made igbo language.
Like we were barking like dogs before Britain came and taught us how to speak?

My dear, those towns were existing thousands of years before Britain started existing.
Your question have been answered since.

Search for the meaning of the word "beacon"

AlexBells:
Biafra existed between 1966 and 1967 and during those times, there was very limited transparency in the government of Biafra, we had no weapons yet no one knew the exact reality on ground and if not for the RAP team coming up with the Ogbunigwe there was nothing obviously on ground

Biafra existed as a response to ongoing genocide so which rule of government are you talking of when all through her existence was wartime

Abohboy:
This is so ahistorical that it's funny but continue

The fact of the matter is Nigeria dividing won't ensure good leadership or progress only thing that will is the people actually opening their eyes and voting in the right people if that isn't done then there's no hope for progress whatsoever

And the benefits of One Nigeria far outweight the benefits of Biafra a progressive Nigeria could signal the end of all dictatorships in Africa, signal an end to oppression and denigration of black people across the world and give us Africans a voice on the larger world platform you really think they can negate a superpower from having a voice?

Nigeria has everything it needs for massive growth and development all it lacks is good leadership

There is no single benefit of Nigeria for Ndigbo.

Tell me one and I will tell you 5k bad side of Biafra.
It is a challenge

AlexBells:
You are confusing yourself, I'm not saying that names like Idemmili is not Igbo, or Arochukwu, I'm responding to your Igbo suffix logic why is Arochukwu not AroIgbo, why is Onitsha not Onigbo, why is Ikwerre not IkweIgbo, why is Orlu not OluIgbo, as a matter of fact the Imo River was always called the Imo River

Afikpo is Afikpo, so how did the suffix impact not show in Onitsha, Anioma, Mbaise, you would figure out that once they (British) figured out the Igbo stuff they would move to identify everyone else who has similar culture under that umbrella and thats how a unified AlaIgbo emerged otherwise there was no prior business between Ngwa Igbos and Onitsha Igbos

How do you pass exams?
I said a beacon. If you've bought land before, does the surveyor place beacons everywhere in the land?
Did I say that every town in Igboland must have Igbo attached to it?
I said toward the extreme of the Cardinal points.
For example, Igbo akiri is sharing borders with Bini

Umu-Igbo is in Ikwerre (Rivers state) further south of Arochukwu by the way.

AlexBells:
And who told you that you are representing the intention of the majority of the Igbos by mentioning Biafra then why do you ask for a referendum when it is clear that those who don't associate with you would be tagged saboteurs,

I guess now you see why you are not progressing and only few people would tell you the truth for the fear of that tag you are not really asking for a referendum you already have your results and that's not the Igbo way of doing things

You prefer they conquer Nigeria like Eritrea did to Ethiopia before UN did the referendum which saw the independence of Eritrea.

When I look at Nigeria, I see Ethiopia. Only the discussions here serves as a template to how things are in Igboland. It is obvious that anybody against Nigeria is most probably an Igbo man while those against Nigeria are most probably non-igbo.

AlexBells:
If you leave Nigeria without Unification yoy would either get unified through a war or treaty at which Time war may be the only viable option so let's unify first

Leaving Nigeria signifies the unification.
The Romans said this to the Poles. That their revolutionaries are herding them to a choas where they will eat each other whole until Polish freedom.
Today look at Poland.
Just like expulsion of Romans from Poland and Germania signifies and resulted in the unification of Germania and Poland, Ndigbo leaving Nigeria will signify the emergence of Igboland/Alaigbo.

Igboid:
You need a uniting ideology usually belonging to the most dominant (populated) group to build a stable nation on.
India has myriads of ethnicities, but is build on dominant Hindi culture.
China is built on Han culture.

This is usually how it is. Even an anomaly like USA( built on a conquered territory of indigenous Ameridian tribes) was built on a strong Anglo-Saxon-Christiianity-Masonic foundation which everyone else coming there must fit into.
There are millions of Muslims in USA, but when you think USA, you think Christianity/Masonic.

Nigeria has none.

Afa of Ndiigbo has nothing to do with Ifa of Yorubas.
We are a distinct people from Yorubas both in our world outlook and even appearance.

We are nationally extreme capitalists while Yorubas favour socialism. We are predominantly Christians, while Yorubas are ambivalent between Islam and Xtianity.

The Igbo are a Yes or No people. Yorubas hold unto their "grey answers" tightly and rebrand it as "suffersticated".

We are Democratic and egalitarian in nature, Yorubas are Monarchical and hierarchical in nature.
None of those characteristics are bad, they are just not miscible.

And I have not even started talking about the Hausa-Fulanis.
These are extremities of social behaviors that can never be reconciled within same geographical expression. Not even Zik, Awo or Balewa could do that when it was still a bit less complex.
Insanity is repeating same mistakes over and over and expecting different results

The guy is trying to trigger a ripple into igbo unity so as to bring the fragmented Igbo that will result into the fake "Nigeria". While at it, he maintains the balance in Yoruba and Hausa part.
This shows his hypocrisy and hate for Igboland.
He prefers an Apocalypse of Igboland to herd into Nigeria. This man represents the Nigerian hate for the Igbo nation.
Go through all his posts

AlexBells:
Yes while I agree to the impact of the Igbo suffix you seem to forget that disconnected from the empires Bonny is the Arochukwu, the Aro confederacy had to fight intense war with the British,

in fact there is no AroIgbo, while the Igbo suffix impact can not be overlooked you need to understand that other earlier connected Igbos was had no Igbo suffix, the merchant stage of Bonny and Opobo was a later day reality

Onitcha had earlier been contacted and there Is no Igbo suffix to it, same is applicable to Aniocha, so as a matter of fact Arochukwu, Anioma and Onitsha most likely was contacted before Bonny,

There is also the impact of the Igbaukwu don't know if that's the correct spelling even if you had come across the work of Olauda the Igbo slave, he said he was from the Eboe area of the kingdom of Benin and as such I think he referring to Ika or Igbanke so what we are talking about is the Unification not the origin of the names

I said at the Cardinal points not every town.
Ask anybody from Onitsha to list the names of town in Onitsha and allow you to tell us how "none Igbo sounding they are"
If you want to see the tickest igbo name for a town, look inside Onitsha.

As for Arochukwu, the name speaks for her. No need confusing yourself. It's foundation is well known in Igboland.

Ubani already have recorded testaments from the people, neighbours etc.

As for Olauda Equiano, he wrote what the British saw as a beacon at that time. When he wrote his book, the British consider everything in the South as part of Benin kingdom until their expedition into Igboland where they were forced to reconsider on the battle field. Most notably at the Igbo part of Delta were they learnt the truth the hard way

Abohboy:
If Igboland is peaceful then so will the inhabitants be peaceful the Aro still count as Igbos and conquered other lands and you still made no mention of why there would be Abam warriors extremely well trained fighters in existence if they were peaceful

This conversation is about Igbos you're the group canvassing the most for disintegration of Nigeria and yes most other places in modern day Nigeria weren't united until Nigeria was created but you tried to make the points that the Igbos were united which is false so why bring in other ethnic groups in Nigeria as if we don't already know that they weren't all united before Nigeria cane.

And in terms of Europe they became united over 400-500 years ago so that isn;t the same as in Africa stop trying to use that as an example

Igbo say "Mgbe onye ji teta bụ ụtụtụ ya"

Ndigbo face no serious external threat and as such saw no reason to have a centralised unity based on our distinct democracy (don't give your self the idea of monarchy like you Nigerians always do when unity is mentioned)

And as an automous place, each reserves the right to carry out any personal expedition she sits fit.

Didn't Oyo invade, displace and subjugate 80% of what is modern Yorubas in Nigeria?
80% of what was independent and autonomous people with many not even claiming Yoruba today?

Or Wessex doing their thing in England?
Or Paris holding theirs in Frankia?
Or the Pope doing his own personal wonders in Europe?
Or Naples in Italy?
Or Prussia in Germany?

Until the rise of the Ottomans and external aggressors, most of these people didn't see any need for a united Italy, France or England.

So now, there is a need for a united Igbo nation because of the threats and that is what any reasonable Igbo man should be working towards. The first step is to leave Nigeria

AlexBells:
Nobody is trying to bring disunity among Igbos here, you can't overlook the obvious truth but say same thing about Nigeria, the catholic you talk about I guess your great grandfather was the one who originated catholic here

Was catholic not brought to us by the British missionaries, you seem to confuse the missionaries, the Marchants with the Colonialists there where three stages of British entry into Eastern Nigeria, first was the mission, second was the Marchants and third was the Colonialists

In fact I had followed your arguments here and all of your maps made were made by the British even all your defence was based on the British accounts, so lets be sensible Africans, only a referendum would decide who becomes Biafra and who becomes not and who becomes part of Igbo Republic and who is not

You made reference to Onitsha and the environs, isn't that a tiny bit of what's today known as AlaIgbo, what about Northern Igboland, what about The Delta Igbos, what about Rivers Igbos or you think in actual sense those Ikwerre who keeps denying being Igbo don't have logics to it,

Ofcourse they are Ikwerre Igbo sub groups but the Igbo as an umbrella was given to us by the British, even if you look at the Onitsha environs or lets even use the Omambala environment as the Omambala River covers most of what is today know as Anambra and part of Enugu it still don't represent 30% of AlaIgbo so it was the Missionary which did most of the peaceful Unification work and you condemn them when it didn't favour you but dont praise them when it favours you

Isn't the emboldened what everybody including IPOB is asking for?
Why not support it instead of confusing yourself.

Secondly, I don't use only British account or colonial accounts if you really follow me.

That aside, Ikwerre that you people like using as an example existed and still exist as a fragmented towns with different ancestral theories. Ask anybody from that place

Back to your Onitsha problem. British never gave anybody the Igbo as Umbrella. They followed the directive of indigenes of Ubani who told them that the hinterland is made up of by fellow Ndigbo. They couldn't even get the pronunciation right and referred to us as Eboe, then Ibo before they left. It was our people that corrected it to the original form "Igbo"

PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THIS PART,
As for why I always use British map. Tell me any ancient paper map by any group in Africa that is more clear than those of British and Portuguese?
So me using it does not undermine our ancient peoples way of drawing the boundaries of Ndigbo.
Take your Google map and put in the names below.
Odenigbo
Umuigbo
Igbo Akiri (Changed to Igbanke by Samuel Ogbemudia in around 1971 or 2)
Igbidu (Igbo idụ)
Amaigbo.
These five Igbo towns lie at North, South, East, West and centre of Igboland showing our ancient peoples way of defining their map and boundary

If you look at those towns with Igbo suffix and prefix, you will notice that at approaching them, you will meet more of Igbo - suffix/prefix towns like Igbo Uzor for Igbo akiri or Obigbo for Ụmụ Igbo showing that as they expand, they put the beacon Igbo to the next town before moving over.

This is classical map of designing your map or placing your beacon into the people and land. Mind you, this hundreds of centuries before Nri, Aro confederacy etc talkless of Britain of yesterday.

Abohboy:
Nigeria did unite the Igbos there was never a time where the Igbos were all in a singular nation or state they were all broken apart into small city states, or village commynities and a few became kingdoms but they were never one

Alaigbo was never peaceful as you wrongly claim there's always been wars between different Igbo groups even before the slave trade the Aro fought a war for Ibini Ukpabi and that's just a singular example there were many wars between different groups otherwise why would they have special fighting techniques with swords? Or be specialized in the making of shields and helmets for protection in battle as far back as the 1500s the Abam warriors were feared across the southern parts of Nigeria and were even hired to fight in the Benin-Idah wars so how exacttly were you peaceful?

I'll just ignore your last point doesn't even begin to make sense


But just so you see what the real problem is watch this Anambra election there's many good candidates yet all the people will still vote Soludo even though Nwankpo and Maduka exist

Nwankpo promised to bring back the Umunna form of governance or decentralized leadership where each community is represented that way each community can get what they need most through the community head not only that but he plans on beautifying the ontisha waterfront, building schools and hospitals and improving power supply in commercial and industrial areas to attract more investments but in the coming election eh will get less then 10k votes

Maduka built schools, hospitals, roads, housing and even boreholes for his community showing he can deliver quality projects for good prices for the whole state of Anambra but he will still lose to Soludo who with all his money has done next to nothing for his community our problem is that we don't have sense and we don't vote the right people not that we're in Nigeria or that we're too diverse

All you said ended up contradicting you.
Whatever Aro did with Ibini Ukpabi doesn't prove anything about Ndigbo after all it was not against another Igbo group. Even at that didn't Wessex conquer the whole of England?
Uthman Dan Fodio conquer the whole of Hausa people?
Ibn Saud conquer the whole of Saudi Arabia and expelled the house of Khalifa?

I don't know what you people are talking about.
The only place referred to as a place with the tribes identity during colonialism was only Igboland.
Until after colonialism, no other group apart from few like Bini go by such name.

The term Yoruba land have never existed until they gain Independence from Nigeria because only 60% of Yoruba land is in Nigeria and they have never for once in their existence existed as a single country or Nation.
There was nothing like Yoruba land until recently.

The same goes with Hausa. Only around 75 percent exist in Nigeria. Until they were conquered by the Fulani they existed as heavily fragmented regions ruled by heavily independent kabes with none exerting influence on the other.
There was nothing and is still nothing like Hausa land today courtesy of Sokoto Caliphate.

So what are you people talking about.
Didn't Naples enjoy fighting other Italian states and even have the fantasy of controlling all of Florence wealth?

What do you people mean by unity?

Igboid:
I like the last part of your write up, about independence of every single Igbo town.
That's how it is in reality.
Every single Igbo town operated like a city state with its own democracy before the colonials arrived.

It is funny that the same people shouting Ndigbo are not united are the ones actively fighting to prevent the unity.

Until Ndigbo secede from Nigeria, Alaigbo modern history as a unified people will never start. Once Nigeria is broken into pieces, the first thing to follow suit is a unified Igbo constitution and laws which will mark the very first beginning of modern Igbo country.
That is what these two are fighting against.

Abohboy:
Not every country is strucutred as an autonomous state of different people a country can only exist in such a manner if it's a federalist state England doesn't fit into your description at all there's no autonomous states that make up England and his point is right and is infact what I think will happen with these nation states slowly over time corruption will still be there and so will the rampant poverty so individual groups like Anioma, Aguleri, Ubani etc. Will breakaway and form their own individual nations but still there'll be no progress and I hope if it ever reaches that point they'd have learnt that ethnicity doesn't ensure progress

Google is your friend. Google how many independent kingdoms existed in England before Vikings invasion.

How many independent kingdoms and Republics existed in Italy until recently

How many autonomous emirs and Districts existed in Kano (I didn't even say North) alone until the amalgamation.

How many independent Kingdoms existed in France until their unification. Even Paris was an independent kingdom until recently.

How many chiefdoms existed in Arabia until the house of Saudi supported by Wahhabi unified Saudi Arabia.

So what are you people saying?

In Igboland was mere autonomy which every Democratic nation respected but all I listed above except kano were full independent kingdoms

AlexBells:
I said the odds are high that Opobo would join their Igbo brothers and sister but should they want they can be their own independent city state which was what they were,

And please first attribute the Igbo nation as an entity to the British otherwise by now you would have been fighting the wars of Unification, there could have been no way to navigate through without a war look at the Ikwerre today they are some of the yet to be unified Igboid units, we could have waged Military options against them and we shall if they make that the only option post Nigeria

Nigeria is the very Unification factor for everyone, without Nigeria, I don't think an Onitsha man could have seen himself as one with an Mbaise man even in next 100 years, who could have come up with Igbo Izugbe, you guys takes everything so much for granted becuase you didn't have to ever fight for independence

Nigeria never united Ndigbo.
First of all what you call Nigeria is the southern part of the present day Nigeria.
The North was not addressed as such until the amalgamation.

Second of all, I notice that you are very keen on stiring what you think will disunite Ndigbo but you lack the historical knowledge to do so.
Before the establishment of Nigeria, Onitsha struck deals with Obosi, Ogbunike etc not as people from separate nations but related people.

Thirdly, the unification of Igbo Language is not as you people put it. Infact like the Catholic converted with Ubani dialect, Anglican did theirs with Onitsha dialect. So what are you saying?
If the people from Mbaise or any example you use cannot understand or doesn't see them as related groups there won't be basis of using such dialect in another their town in the first place.

Of all the place the British colonised as Nigeria, Alaigbo was the only place with relative peace until they introduced slave trade.

As for your independent city state. Every town in Igboland is already an independent city state until Ndigbo bring out their own united constitution for the first time after Nigeria.
Thank you

AlexBells:
You are not considering that the humans are first and in the case of possible abuse the constitution would be prioritised, I'm happy that IPOB is emphasising a referendum becuase you can't tell me in honestly that there is an actual proof that the majority of Igbo people are rooting for Curent Biafra even during the war Biafra did not loose Becuse of Nigeria, Biafra lost because the best brains wanted Nigeria, 1. Zik, 2. Kaduna Nzeogwu 3. Emmanuel Ifeajuna to mention just 3 and I strongly believe even MI Okpara preffered that the war was delayed so if you want us to be fair we have to be transparent

Are you sure you've researched about the war at all?
You speak off.
BTW, Looking at Ndigbo, do we look like people that want to waste another second in Nigeria?

AlexBells:
There is documentation and there is assumptions, the fact remains that as much as documents are the issue Opobo is an dependent city state no one is asking whether the Inhabitants are Igbos or not, the fact is that the inhabitants had recognised the Jaja family or dynasty as their leader so that's a minor issue they can chose where they stay of which I know the odds are in favour of Igbos

Then we all understand the impact of Unification, yes I remember the greek city states where anthens and Spartans where the most influential, Alexander the great had to unify but what about the cost of all the wars between the city states, that's exactly what the British helped us navigate and some of these Unification process naturally can take about a 100 years at least so what are you saying

If the British did not come, there could be war in yoruba land today and we don't forget that Aro Aro Confederacy was on the rise but all these war of Unification is costly, and the fact is that if the british did not comes, Nigeria could have come in the quite distance future becuase the more you conquered in the quest for unification the more you find out there are lots more to conquer

Let's approach this issue with caution, eventually the Igbos whover leads it post Nigeria would have some few wars like, Unifying Ikwerre, Opobo, Anioma and Bonny these people if they are not appealed to in the terms they understand can work with other willing tribe to ensure their independence and before you know we are all engulfed

This is where you are wrong.
There won't be any war, after all is San Marino not a country in Italy?
You talk as if Igbo survival depend on Opobo or any of the mentioned group.

Igbo Nation "exists as a union of independent autonomous region" same as most reasonable nations in the world so any part of Igboland that doesn't want to join won't be forced except if a particular family or group within want to claim the place as a prize of conquest. That goes to the family you are claiming they were accepted by the people of Opobo. Was there any referendum on whether jaja will represent them?
Or any of such proof of acceptance?

I believe you now understand what I am talking about.
Almost al Nations in the world exist as a union of autonomous similar people including England (a significant amount are even vikings, celts etc)

Hausa, the same.
Yoruba is more visible.
Bini, the same
Ijaw never existed.

On the last part, who did you say "Ndigbo" will struggle with over OPOBO?
That is if Ndigbo was an imaginary alien or Opobo themselves are not one.

The whole documentation you speak of, shows and proves that Opobo and Ubani are not cases. The only ones that no longer tally with contemporary people on ground is Kalabari, Ogoni and Annang
If the later must be part of the new union. There scope and limits will be clearly defined

AlexBells:
You are putting the horse before the cart, the constitution recognise immunity for some offices get your people in those damn position if you have the number get a fucken governor, Abaribe is an example, politics should be an ideological

You are the one putting the cart before the horse.
Is it humans that make constitution or constitutions that make humans?

This answers your questions.

Did the British people wait for constitution to fight Romans?
Did the Germans elect their people into Roman army or wait for their tribal prince's in the Roman army to present to the Emperor before revolting against the Roman Empire?

The humans are first before any constitution that is why constitutions are adjusted to suit the immediate human need in the country at the time.

I did not do political science or sociology but I know this one.

DeadCountry:
You are daft. IPOB has been improvising templates that will lead to freedom which are different from joining your dungeon's politics. Your dumb brain is the reason why you think that joining your dungeon's politics will lead IPOB anywhere. Baning politics in Igboland which IPOB has instituted is a template as well as the impending ban on fulani cows which is economic strangulation of the enemies as a route towards freedom. You are not seeing the advantages of those templates because you are aft and dump. Joining your dungeon's politics is not the only way of getting freedom. Sit down and watch how brainy people does things and stop shouting everywhere like a mad market woman.

Read to understand.
Dont be a slave to your emotions. Read my post again and realise how off you reply is

AlexBells:
This is the self denial and self exoneration of typical African, the Yorubas could have United themselves really, let me remind you that the Yoruba kingdoms were fighting a 16 years war between themselves that ended with a British treaty.

You talk about Opobo and Bomny young man Opobo is an independent city state founded by king Jaja of Opobo they agreed to be a British protectorate so don't even think an AlaIgbo Republic or Ijaw Republic would just add Opobo in their maps.

You really believed the Tivs defeated Fulanis you mean if British did not stop them, you think what's going on today is same as the war Fulanis waged before, man this is terrorism and we need to up our games in counter terrorism,

Do you know about the Igala/Benin war, what you don't get is that Nigeria gave us some stability for a while, even the Igbo identity we all parade today was given to us by the British an umbrella Igbo nation did not exist before

You seem to forget that marry Slessor and Ko were British let's stop these things, I know britain did a lot of horrible things here but let also not forget the stability and nationalism that came with it, if they were not uniting nations, maybe what you could have had today is Nsukka, Obitsha, Ikwerre, Nnewi, Orlu and so on so you can't condemn them for uniting Nigeria and then not appreciate them for uniting AlaIgbo

Mtcheww.. Your view is very funny.

Germania was a battle field of severely fragmented tribal chiefs with non identifying as German until the roman Invasion and colonialisation.

What happened after they expelled the Romans?
Did someone from Hamburg maintain his hamburg identity or embrace the larger German Identity?
And by the way, before Jaja stepped foot into Opobo, Ndigbo were there. It was called "Igwe Nga" by the natives or how do you explain 14 families Jaja brought with him from Ubani giving birth to up to 30 thousand People of Opobo under 100 years like we have today. Except they give birth to 900 children per family which is impossible. Jaja only renamed it.

That one was for your Igbo misconception, now to the Yorubas. Need I remind you that the Persian empire and other great empires in the world including USA came out as a result of serious civil war within the nation which later gave rise to a union of a new country bonded by similar ideology and pain.