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Ohyoudidnt:
The forum can clearly see who the monkey is. Take that back, a monkey has much better intelligence and brilliance. Are 48 and 47 the same even if neighbours? Maybe a typo but the text entered show otherwise.

Blindness may be bad but it's far worse when unreasonable bias and hatred affects the sense of sight and rational thought. Indeed we see how some so called educated illiterate Nigerians or safer people (Nigerians aren't this way) display gross incompetence.

so you are clueless---- you are embarrassed that the verses you quoted has nothing to do with shahada .

Infact when you read 3 verses before and 3 verses after they are talking about war booty , jihad on non Muslims, threatening those who refused to join...... and nothing like shahada


Don't panic and jump again


Where is Shahada in the Quran

Explore2xmore:
When you arrogantly abuse in starting are you honestly asking or truthful in seeking answers of me?

I will answer when you provide irrefutable proof that Qutham is the same as prophet Muhammad pbuh.

So you are clueless ---- you don't have an answer

Now run along go and play with kids in the sand area

Ohyoudidnt:
The Shahadah literally means the testimony or the witness and is found in the Qur’an in two separate parts:
1. There is no deity worthy of worship except Allah: Qur’an 3:18 and 47:19
2. Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is the Messenger of Allah: Qur’ān 48:29
The Prophet pbuh then combined both statements into the full Shahadah in authentic hadith, including Sahih al-Bukhari 8 and Sahih Muslim 16. Following what the Qur’an commands believers to follow the Messenger pbuh (4:80, 59:7), the full Shahadah is established through both the Qur’an and the Sunnah; testimony/witness that Allah is one and prophet Muhammad pbuh is his messenger.

Quran 47 vs 19

Let's read from verse 14 to 22 ...okay ?

Quran 48:14–22 (Surah Al-Fath)

​14. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. He forgives whom He wills and punishes whom He wills. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

​15. Those who remained behind will say when you set out toward the war booty to take it, "Let us follow you." They wish to change the words of Allah. Say, "Never will you follow us. Thus did Allah say before." So they will say, "Rather, you envy us." But [in fact] they understood not except a little.

​16. Say to those who remained behind of the bedouins, "You will be called to [face] a people of great military might; you may fight them, or they will submit. Then if you obey, Allah will give you a good reward; but if you turn away as you turned away before, He will punish you with a painful punishment."

​17. There is not upon the blind any guilt or upon the lame any guilt or upon the ill any guilt [for remaining behind]. And whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger, He will admit him to gardens beneath which rivers flow; but whoever turns away, He will punish him with a painful punishment.

​18. Certainly was Allah pleased with the believers when they pledged allegiance to you, [O Muhammad], under the tree, and He knew what was in their hearts, so He sent down tranquility upon them and rewarded them with an imminent conquest

​19. And much war booty which they will take. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.
​20. Allah has promised you much booty that you will take and has hastened this for you and withheld the hands of people from you—that it may be a sign for the believers and [that] He may guide you to a straight path.

​21. And [He promises] other [victories] that you were [so far] unable to realize which Allah has already encompassed. And ever is Allah over all things competent.

​22. And if those who disbelieve had fought you, they would have turned their backs [in flight]. Then they would not find a protector or a helper.


Are you trying to make mokery of yourself?
Where is shahada in that verse vs17 and the surrounding verses?

What you see is it not promise of war booty , encouraging jihad, threatening those wo don't belive in Muhammad---- making war treaties.

So you don't even know Quran as old as you are--- how can you go to AI ---- see your life
You brought a verse that has nothing to do with shahada rather jihad, war against non Muslims, promise of war booty.


Let's go to the next one

Ohyoudidnt:
The Shahadah literally means the testimony or the witness and is found in the Qur’an in two separate parts:
1. There is no deity worthy of worship except Allah: Qur’an 3:18 and 47:19
2. Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is the Messenger of Allah: Qur’ān 48:29
The Prophet pbuh then combined both statements into the full Shahadah in authentic hadith, including Sahih al-Bukhari 8 and Sahih Muslim 16. Following what the Qur’an commands believers to follow the Messenger pbuh (4:80, 59:7), the full Shahadah is established through both the Qur’an and the Sunnah; testimony/witness that Allah is one and prophet Muhammad pbuh is his messenger.

Let's take the verses you provided one after the other

You used Quran 3 vs 18 let's read it in full to see shahada in it

Quran 3:13–20 (Surah Ali 'Imran)
​13. Already there has been for you a sign in the two armies which met—one fighting in the cause of Allah and another of disbelievers. They saw them [to be] twice their own number by [their] eyesight. But Allah supports with His victory whom He wills. Indeed in that is a lesson for those of vision.

​14. Beautified for people is the love of that which they desire—of women and sons, heaped-up sums of gold and silver, fine branded horses, and cattle and tilled land. That is the enjoyment of worldly life, but Allah has with Him the best return.

​15. Say, "Shall I inform you of [something] better than that? For those who fear Allah will be gardens in the presence of their Lord beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally, and purified spouses and approval from Allah. And Allah is Seeing of [His] servants."

​16. Those who say, "Our Lord, indeed we have believed, so forgive us our sins and protect us from the punishment of the Fire,"

​17. The patient, the true, the obedient, those who spend [in the way of Allah], and those who seek forgiveness before dawn.

​18. Allah witnesses that there is no deity except Him, and [so do] the angels and those of knowledge—[that He is] maintaining [creation] in justice. There is no deity except Him, the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

​19. Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them—out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah, then indeed, Allah is swift in [taking] account.

​20. So if they argue with you, say, "I have submitted myself to Allah [in Islam], and [so have] those who follow me." And say to those who were given the Scripture and [to] the unlearned, "Have you submitted yourselves?" And if they submit [in Islam], they are rightly guided; but if they turn away—then upon you is only the [duty of] notification. And Allah is Seeing of [His] servants.




The verses before vs 18 is talking about war (vs 13) enjoyment and those whom scriptures were given to ( subsequent verses) then verse 18 there is nothing there from Allah saying this is the first pillar of faith ----infact the next verses are talking about how the people of the book rejected Muhammad.

So where is the Shahadah in this?

And note if you add to Allah's word that is shirk?


I will be coming with the next verse you quoted

Explore2xmore:
Where's the unanswered simple question? Your spitting shows your disdain and skewed place of interest in getting answered if at all.

You obviously don't like the truth said straight to you.

alfa jubreel

who wrote thr Quran?

where is shahada in the Quran?

where is hijra of muslim refugees from mecca to medina?

one good thing about Qutham a.k.a muhamed?

where is 5 pillars of faith in The Quran ?

Explore2xmore:
What unambiguously straight forward points do you have and do you support your claim with?

Simple question una no go answer

All una top debaters don run or convert

Read the Quran and hafiths and you will see the chaos and depravity


Tueeehhh

What can you say about the breastfeeding?

Ohyoudidnt:
The Shahadah literally means the testimony or the witness and is found in the Qur’an in two separate parts:
1. There is no deity worthy of worship except Allah: Qur’an 3:18 and 47:19
2. Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is the Messenger of Allah: Qur’ān 48:29
The Prophet pbuh then combined both statements into the full Shahadah in authentic hadith, including Sahih al-Bukhari 8 and Sahih Muslim 16. Following what the Qur’an commands believers to follow the Messenger pbuh (4:80, 59:7), the full Shahadah is established through both the Qur’an and the Sunnah; testimony/witness that Allah is one and prophet Muhammad pbuh is his messenger.

The verses you quoted is that shahada? If we read that verses will we find shahada there?

That verse is talking about fighting jihad, can how to share spoils of war---


Should we open it up for all to see.


Please this time around... show us the shahada from the Quran

Antlisiam:
Ahahahaha dẹpẹ ooo

Wait, shey aiye e ko ta nii? Oya let's reason together

So you mean you don't have an answer so you resort to childish innuendos


So all the years of hitting your head on the floor so you don't know this simple thing


I thought you said you will end my career on NL---- what happened? Black dog scares your god

@doffman

Gabrielshow26:
🥱Special pleading doesn't help you. If someone claims to be Divine then we test him based on his claims. This is what I have done and if my use of emoji offends you, that's your business 🥱.

Your Quran claims to be a word for word divine revelation from an omniscient god. Of course, I must validate this. By so doing, I see, it's nothing more but the works of men—illiterate men🥱.

Any more lies and special pleading?

So after all the gra gra

No evidence of hijra from mecca to medina by muslim refugees

So AH is based on lies and conjectures of the hadiths and sirat of 250years to 400 years later

My brother make I find emoji

Hussein035:
Ifa has been updated just like the Bible

If you still don't believe Islam is the only way then I wish you good luck in Jahanam

The bible was updated? Are you delusional or what?


When we talk about updating Quran Allah muhamed Islam---- are the real updating.

Quran = we have 30 different types of Quran examples are Warsh, Haffs Duri and others so when a Muslim Quote the Quran ask him which of the Quran and which one did Allah revealed?

Allah = said he is not like his creation. But when we check the Quran , Allah has 2 right hands and covered face like Eleha.... Allah has a colour --- Allah praises another allah ---- worship another allah --- that my friend is an upgrade.

Muslims = when any Muslim die he must enter Hell fire ---what what what----- yes despite your deeds and 5 days prayer when a Muslim dies he will go to hell straight--- have you thought about that ?

Tell me one good thing about Qutham a.k a Muhammad from the Quran and hadith?

Don't panic

Antlisiam:
Eleha
And
Chiigidi

Eleha chigidi olowo otun meji

jaephoenix:
Why do u I'm panicking or clueless

It means your words and claims are contradicting eachother


Are you clueless?

Antlisiam:
You asked for the point of reference for his two right hands, dem give you but still complaining. Chigiidi ni allah

Ogbenu tan

Islam will make a big claim

When you look at internal evidence and outward evidence it contradict itself.



Claim : Allah is not like his creation
Look at evidence: Allah has 2 right hands, has face covered with veil like eleha

gloryman91:
By

Not just one just ; The Greatest And Best Man On Earth 🌎 sent by Allah (SWT) to perfect Islam as religion for entire Mankind as all other prophets before has been doing.

Islam doesn't discriminate among Prophets.

Can you show me evidence for what you posted above

Incognito403:
No, it's disbelievers that are going to hell. No doubt about that.

Go and look for it as you looked for the one you quoted. Or are you only interested in verses and hadith that support your bias?

Actually, the best deceiver is the idol that got his son shouting "why art thou forsaken me".

Why are you panicking?

Are you scared ?

You made a claim-----that muslims will go into hell to save sinners

Now I ask you show me the evidence from the Quran and hadiths


Now don't panic or jump around

Incognito403:
No, it's disbelievers that are going to hell. No doubt about that.

Go and look for it as you looked for the one you quoted. Or are you only interested in verses and hadith that support your bias?

Actually, the best deceiver is the idol that got his son shouting "why art thou forsaken me".

Why are you panicking?
Are u scared?


You claimed that muslims will be sent to hell to rescue sinners ---- now show me from the Quran and hadith


Don't be scared

Incognito403:
It's one thing to visit a place, it's another thing to participate. Prophet Ibrahim was thrown in fire but was never burnt.

Believers will even go into hell to remove some sinners without being affected by fire in anyway.

However, according to the Qur'an every disbeliever will be in hell forever. This should bother a disbeliever more.

So you mean after all the allahu akbar when you die you will be sent to hell straight?

You said muslims will be in hell to save sinners? Can you show me the evidence from the Quran and hadiths---‐-but wait o I thought no one can save sinners?


What should bother you is -----how are you sure that Allah who is the best deceiver plan is to take you to hell first wants you to be there forever? Are you clueless?

honesttalk21:
Don't you just like making unfounded statements? Show clearly where I; who you mischievously refer to as an Arab slave despite knowing differently, I dare you to quote the statements I have contradicted myself with. Unsubstantiated claims make invalid discussion.

Show me an unequivocal unambiguous statement from the Quran where Allah says muslims refugee moved from mecca to medina as hijra ?

gloryman91:
Stop writing rubbish on what you don't know anything about.

Please can you educate me ?

Tell me one good thing about islam or Allah or Muhammed or Quran?

Please don't panic

Please just 1 not 2 ------just one

Gabrielshow26:
It’s truly poetic how Honesttalk21 spends so much time polishing his prose to hide the fact that he’s essentially standing on a trapdoor👀. Obviously, you aren't engaging with my logic; you are trying desperately to put my "methodology" on trial to distract from the fact that your "perfect🤕 Book👀" is missing its own GPS coordinates🥱.

You are also desperately trying to narrow the scope of "all things" because the alternative—admitting Allah forgot the names of His own holy cities—is a theological nightmare. Let’s hammer this home. Go hammers🎉😁

Honesttalk21, your response is a masterpiece of special pleading. You aren't defending the Quran; you are defending the Tafsir (interpretations) of men who had to invent explanations for why an 'omniscient' god was so vague🤧. Your citation of Ibn Kathir to argue that 'clarity' only means 'guidance in belief' is calamitous. Congratulations, you’ve just demoted Allah😂. If Allah says the Quran is a 'clarification for all things' (16:89), and Ibn Kathir says, 'Well, He didn't actually mean all things, just the rules,' then you are choosing the word of a 14th-century scholar over the literal word of your god.🤷 Is that how much you think of Allah?👀 Let me ask you, Is Allah capable of being precise? I think the answer should be Yes. Is He capable of naming cities? Yes.
Did He? No.
Thus, you are treating 'omniscience' like a data plan with limited coverage👀. If the Quran is 'perfect,' it shouldn't need Ibn Kathir to come in 700 years later and apologize for its lack of geographical detail.🤨.

You also meritoriously claimed I’m 'borrowing' the authority of Hadith to prosecute you, then 'dismantling' it to block your defense😂. You’ve missed the point entirely. I’m not saying the Hadith transmission is a 'reliable historical science'; I’m pointing out that your religion is a 1,400-year-old game of 'Telephone.'👀 The fact that you need the Hadith to find Mecca and Medina proves the Quran is incomplete. If the 'perfect Book'👀 requires a 'second Book' (collected 200 years later) to make sense of the first one, then the first one isn't 'complete'🤨. I’m not 'rigging' the standard; I’m simply pointing out that your house is built on a foundation (the Quran) that can’t even hold up its own roof without 200-year-old wooden pillars (the Hadith)🥱.

I noticed in your write up that you seem to argue that the Torah foregrounds geography while the Quran centers on 'trust😂.' This is a hilarious way of saying the Bible is grounded in reality while the Quran is grounded in abstraction.
If a God is speaking to mankind for all time, why would He provide a 'blank map'?👀 You say naming 'Mecca to Medina' isn't a reasonable requirement. Why not? It’s one word. One😮‍💨. 'Trust and sacrifice' are great, but they happen in real places . If the Quran is 'verbatim divine dictation'🤔 and the Bible is 'inspired but human,' yet the 'human' book gets the maps right while the 'Divine👀'(emphasis mine😁) book stays silent, any rational reader knows which one is tethered to history and which one is a collection of 7th-century 'fables of the ancients.'🥱

Let me also address your claim that legal instruction and geographical narration are different 'categories.'🤕 Fine. Let’s use your category. The Quran is 'clear' on morals and law, right? Then why does it tell us to pray (Salah) but never once explains how to actually perform it?👀 For that, you again have to run to the Hadith🤦🏾‍♂️. If the Quran is 'complete guidance' but fails to explain the most important 'guidance' (the 5 daily prayers) among other things blackfirex has shown including but not limited to the 5 pillars of faith, then your definition of 'complete' is effectively 'Empty🥱.'

In conclusion, you’ve admitted the Quran is a topographical ghost town. You’ve admitted as well that it requires later human interpretation to be 'complete.😂' You’ve also admitted it mirrors pre-modern generic speech. Thus, you’re not doing 'neutral analysis'; you’re doing Damage Control🤨. You are defending a 'Genius'👀 who failed the geography test, the biology test, and the 'clarity' test, and your only excuse is, 'Well, he wasn't trying to pass those tests anyway!'😂 What an omniscient god! If a supposed 'perfect god' can't be bothered to be specific, why should we believe he’s 'The Truth' (Al-Haqq) instead of just another 7th-century campfire story? 🥱

Any more lies?

My brother I have posted and replied but all removed .


To the Arabian slave quoting and contradicting himself since the AI is the one talking--- as for me Ebenezer .

A confused Book that make audacious claims but when you open it you see lies and conjectures.


I tire o ---- is like someone asking you to vote APC while APC is al zuttung Nigeria

jaephoenix:
Those passages are all in the bible. Or dont u read your bible again?

So you are clueless


Why are you panicking

Basic123:
Instead of you to embrace a new knowledge,you people will be using claim of taqiyyah to continue swimming in your Ignorance.If we try to lecture you on what taqiyyah means and its different from what you know,you will still claim taqiyyah.You can see that you have use the word 'taqiyyah' to shut the door of knowledge on yourself.

Bring those verse with scholarly interpretation and cause of revelation.I hope when we give you the proper schorlary intepretation base on the reason the verse was revealed,you will still not use taqiyyah as excuse to to continue romancing your Ignorance.

Don't panic
Are you scared?

Now which one do we start from----- those who insulted Muhammad and were killed

Or those who left Islam and the punishment is death


I am waiting
I hope you won't deny your books and still play taqiya.

Incognito403:
But you can blame the so-called boss who lacks every atom of civility?

Insulting other people's religion is an act of terrorism.

We will never take that nonsense from anyone.

Mujahadeen are you eager for 72 virgins?

But according to the Quran every muslim will be in hell after they die

You want the verses and hadiths?

nayolight:
You can't blame the guy because the Islamic clerics that preached to him Al his few time here on earth ,has assured him that there will be heaven for any one that defend the dignity of Mohammed and is also ready to kill or die in the process. Unfortunately that is where we are today in this country.

The muslim got it from the cleric the cleric got it from Quran, hadith and sirat and tasfir and shariah