Your obvious disdain for the arabs is well documented , why do you hate them so much, yet you don't show the same to the white man?
Because they deserve that level of hate. Let's get one thing clear in some respects the Europeans were worse than the MENAs (Middle Easterners & North Africans). The difference between them is practically one thing - ISLAM Since the start of Islam they have done nothing but lie, abuse, rape, abuse and enslave SSA peoples - from the mainly Gulf Arabs and Persians doing this in East Africa (From Ethio/Eritrea to Mozambique), to the Tuaregs (a mixed Maghrebi/Berber and West African people) doing this to West Africans, to the pseudo Arabs of Egypt and Sudan to the Nuba and Nilotic peoples. To this very day look at how the Gulf and Levantine Arabs abuse their foreign workers and in many cases rape their maids. Why do you think that South Sudan wanted to secede in the first place?
They (MENAs) can't stand SSA people but absolutely go wild and savage over SSA women. Nothing sums up this paradox more than the Arab scholarly source reference to the Zanj (essentially the Swahili coastal peoples from Southern Somalia to Northern Mozambique and sometimes the interior peoples as well). The Arabs hated the Zanj and thought they were nothing but animals yet they weren't above using the men for soldiers and eunuchs and the women for concubines and "pleasure".
The Arabs called Zanj women ugly and hideous yet they got most of their slaves from there (Because they aren't ugly, in fact IMO They amongst the most beautiful women on the continent. Check out the Tanzanian and Kenyan beauty threads).
The Lebanese in West Africa are some of the worst. All they do is leech, Bleep the local women, produce mulattoes that are weak and arrogant, they also have this aloof attitude. Why West African women fall for these glass jawed/chinned, arrogant fuckboys I'll never know. They would rather chose a Lebanese or even a white guy rather than the hard hitting, iron chinned/jawed brawler type warrior Jamaicans. WEIRD!!!
See sawahil isn't very satisfactory to african linguists, see this is where speaking an african language is beneficial. The swahili initially called themselves Wangozi and spoke Kingozi. There are numerous folklore among the swahili and Mijikenda of Kenya. One of them goes that when the arabs landed in africa around the place where Lamu island is circa 300-700 A.D, they met the local island people whom they asked who lived in those areas. The Wangozi people told them that sisi ni wa siwa hili which means that we are of this island, so the arabs named them wa siwa hili meaning of island this which later became waswahili the prefix wa means of and is also a plural for many nouns.
Hmm! Interesting. Never heard of that explanation.
pkjag: Although they do, they still do not acknowledge explanations such as the word swahili did not come from the arab words sahil and sahel, the african linguists have given a better explanation of how it might have come about.
I believe (well western linguists believe) the word Swahili comes from the Arabic word Sawahil which mean coastal dweller (or something to that effect). Personally I can see the connection: Sawahil -> Sawahili -> Swahili.
pkjag: Here in africa you need to cause most indigenous languages are not translated and to understand their cultures, naming, practices, ceremonies you have to at least understand the language if you come from a different place.
At the bolded part -That's more of an anthropology area of study. However to be fair I do agree that linguists should have a basic level of fluency with any language that they are studying.
pkjag: There are also some phrases that you can't directly translate into a language, so to make more headway you have to understand the language.
Those are called idioms.
pkjag: These days most western linguists studying african languages rely on the african linguists and institutions, if they didn't do that they'd be making more mistakes like they used to in the precolonial times.
That's a good thing. Listen I'm not dissing African linguists or studies about African and Africans. All I'm saying is that not all western linguists are bad, flawed etc when it comes to African languages or studies in general. On the contrary many are very good. Remember a long time ago they thought that the Nubian languages weren't Nilo-Saharan but Afro-Asiatic and not indigenous to Africa yet it was a westerner that found otherwise.
Here sonzo666 is right isi is a language prefix used by the southern african bantus for naming their people they mostly use ama, the central and eastern african bantus mostly use ki, gi, lu, etc prefixes for naming their languages, while for naming their people they use ba, aba, wa and a e.g the amaZulu of South Africa speak isiZulu the amaXhosa of South Africa speak isiXhosa the amaNdebele of South Africa/Zimbabwe speak isiNdebele the aGikuyu of Kenya speak Gikuyu the waSwahili of Kenya and Tanzania speak kiSwahili the baGanda of Uganda speak luGanda the abaGusii of Kenya speak kisii
I am not blaming them for studying african languages, rather for their many wrong assumptions, if you spoke an african language and knew enough history about africa then you'd understand what I'm talking about. Most african based linguists and anthropologists are debunking western based theories and re-writing them in their native tongue. An example is the swahili, there's so much misconception still being floated around in western linguistic circles that it's a pity that most african natives take their words to be true, taking to mind that swahili is the most studied and well documented bantu language. There are numerous literature written in the arabic script showing how the original swahili was being spoken, just because the europeans could not read it, doesn't give them the authority to make wrong assumptions.
I know to a certain extent. The Swahil used the Arabic script to write. Believe or not many Western scholars now believe that the Swahili are indigenous.
pkjag: Even today, western linguists still propagate the idea that swahili is a mixture of arabic and several other bantu languages.
Not anymore.
pkjag: You cannot see it cause you don't speak any african language, that's the advantage we have on them, no matter how much research they do, unless they can speak as many of the languages as they purport to compare and analyze they cannot effectively study african languages.
That's true
pkjag: Yeah some may speak swahili but not any other bantu language, or arabic, so the interpretation will always be limited. Most swahili native linguists however speak at least 4 languages, e.g english, swahili, a bantu mother tongue and arabic, so they are better placed in analyzing the connection btn these languages.
Not really. You don't need to know a language through and through to see the connections it has to other languages. For example I studied French and Spanish in school and I could defo see the relation. I didn't need to be fluent in both languages to see or hear the connections.
pkjag: That's the problem with western data, I learnt early on to take any western data on africa with a pinch of salt, you should also do the same.
Why cant you bring some concrete evidences to back up your claims? Cant you think by yourself? Bamileke in kikongo means those(ba) who live in the swamp(leki).Maybe you should ask a real bamileke what the word "bamileke" means!Even the simple usage of the prefix "ba" already suggests a bantu language. Come up with concrete examples to back up your claims instead of relying on some very old and incorrect theories.
Not necessarily. Many bantu languages use other prefixes like "isi", "ki" etc. I'm not going out my way to disprove linguists that have studied languages more in depth than ordinary people.
Can you actually prove that or are you drawing your conclusions from some deprecated classifications? What makes you think that both the bamileke and the bamoun aren't bantu languages?As far I am concerned,the bamoun and the bamileke are archaic forms of common bantu languages mixed with some foreign influences.
Mfom / Mfon=king in bamoun or bamileke Mfum/mfumu/ mkun=king in kikongo
Because professional linguists have studied it the languages and determined that Bamoun and Bamileke aren't Bantu languages. I will admit that African Language families are understudied.
Show me data from other sources. The "Mzungu" are practically the only people that are doing in depth studies of Languages. I don't see any Africans doing any in depth studies on African languages. On the contrary. Most Africans failed to make their own writing script or adopt a writing script. In fact if it wasn't for the "mzungu" most languages would never have been deciphered or written. You can blame the "mzungu" for a lot of things but studying and codifying African languages isn't one of them.
Simple. The Bamileke and Bamoun/Bamum don't speak a Bantu Language. Both ethnic groups have some cultural and linguistic links with bantu but not enough to make them bantu.
sonzo666: I like camerounese people for their attachment to their cultures.The video below is so beautiful!Unlike my Congolese people who threw away all their fantastic heritage and adopted whites ways, camerouneses still have a lot richness in their cultures.Bamouns and bamilekes are quite fantastic people!
I'm not saying they should build a colony, lol, just a museum piece like this to honour the thousands of Igbo people who contributed to the island. If Virginia can do it, why can't Jamaica. http://www.frontiermuseum.org/exhibits/1700s-west-africa/
Even the International Slavery Museum in Liverpool (where a good amount of slaving voyages who both enslaved Igbo people and also took the most Africans to Jamaica and other British colonies originated) has an Igbo compound to honour the Africans taken to British colonies. http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/ism/collections/africa/igbo_compound.aspx
I suppose Jamaica could do that. Infact Jamaica should do that. Igbo slaves resisted by running away (The Igbo had the highest slave runaway rate out of all Africans) but I digress. I would love too see an exhibition of Igbo weaponry
They should build an Igbo village in Jamaica/Barbados like they did in Virginia.
Why? We aren't Igbo anymore. The Igbo mainly influenced our language, food, dance etc. Of course other Southern Nigerian ethnic groups influenced Jamaicans and Bajans as well. I'm proud to have Southern Nigerian ancestry!
Yes i've heard it, but it's mostly in Nyandarua county and in the Nairobi parts neighbouring Kiambu and Ngong' when the majority population of Nairobi back then was Kikuyus and Maasais. In Nyandarua there are many towns with Maasai names like Ol Kalou, Ol jororok, Kinangop, etc. But the part about Nyokabi, i'm not sure, cause it's mostly the Embu that have that name, i think its still Kikuyu cause there are other names like Nyawira and Nyambura, the Maasai names are like Maathai (wangari wa maathai) which means Maasai in Kikuyu. Also i hear (not sure) that the majority of Nakuru city/town (not county) is inhabited by kikuyus, also Laikipia county is also mostly inhabited by Kikuyu although the Samburus own most of the land. Also the proper Kikuyu name for God is Murungu but we inherited some Maasai customs so the name changed to Ngai which really is Maasai. So most Nyandarua kikuyu have lots of Maasai genes and are relatively taller.
I think these linguists initially looked at cultural practices when identifying tribes, the Embu are very much Kikuyus with a different accent. Also, most Embu male names are like Nyaga (ostrich or grace), Muriithi (shepherd or herder, also in Meru), Kithae (kikuyus alternative is Githae), etc these are the most common names, while they do have meaning in Kikuyu, very few kiuks have those names except the ones in Kirinyaga county which has the Gichugu dialect, which is basically the Embu language (but they do not call themselves Embu). So naming and accent i think are the only differences btn Kikuyus and Embus.
The Meru are a bit different, i think because of the separation of Mount Kenya, the Kikuyus lost touch with them when migrating therefore they have a slightly different vocabulary and accent and cultural practices, if that's the basis of tribe then they must be a different tribe, but if you ask me, they are a different dialect of Kikuyus or the Kikuyus are a different dialect of the Meru. They also have the same behaviour of naming like the Embu, names like Kawira (Embu and kikuyu alternative is Nyawira), Munene (which means Mkubwa), Murimi (which means one who farms) etc, basically they have names which have meanings in Kikuyu but you'd never find a Kikuyu with such a name, i find it a bit strange. The Kamba too have that behaviour with names like Kanini (kadogo), Munyaka (chance), Mwende (one who is loved), Mumbi (creator, this one though is common in all central bantu languages), etc.
It is generally considered that the Meru retain most of the bantu culture and language among the central bantus, so it might have been that the Kikuyus were initially Meru, some also say that they were initially kamba. There's lots of confusion around their origin because even among themselves they also have their different dialects, those in the North near Isiolo have a cushitic-nilotic type of culture while those in the eastern mount Kenya are more bantu, so it's really confusing cause they say that they came from Egypt through the Nile, but the standard Meru language is the Imenti dialect which is close to Kikuyu.
vislabraye: Well, what's the major characteristics of the Bantu people ? I used to have the impression that they are stocky with low centre of gravity.
The Bantu vary in terms of looks, culture etc depending on which region of Africa they come from.
muafrika: I've seen the word stocky severally. You mean short? Bantus vary in looks according to the region they are in. Their height decreases as you move eastward obviously due to assimilation of pygmy tribes who were the original settlers of the places where Bantu live in Eastern Africa. For this reason, Uganda, Angola, Cameroonian and Congolese Bantu are taller than Most Kenyan, Tanzania, Zambian and Zimbabweans.
It's actually the Central African Bantus that have more Pygmy blood. Also from what I've seen of Zimbabweans, they tend to be the tallest of Southern African bantus.
muafrika: Due to assimilation of especially the pigmy and other earlier occupants of Bantu territory like the Khoisan, Bantu vary in looks. But still remain distinct from other groups.
East African Bantus absorbed Nilotes, Cushitics and "hunter-gatherer" genes. Central African Bantus absorbed forest Pygmy genes. Southern African Bantus absorbed Khoisan genes.
muafrika: My opinion: The Congolese look; tall well defined jawbones seems to me the one Bantu look that is the most widespread among various Bantu tribes speak out in all Bantu territories. In Kenya, that will be found among the Bukusu and the Taita among other occurrences within slightly differentiated tribes. In Uganda, you'll find the look with the Baganda as most dominant. Same with the Hutu of Rwanda. It's also(the look) very dominant in other Bantu countries like Zambia, Zimbabwe, and among the zulu in South Africa. The oval-shaped head and less defined bone structure is also common and increases in occurrence as you go further Eastward. You will find this look in Kenya, Tanzania, Zimbabwe and in South Africa. This is a reflection of the complexities of the Bantu Migration which started in the West.
I've been around a few Congolese and they don't seem to be tall on average. Don't get me wrong there are some tall Congolese people, however on average they tend to be medium height. I do agree that the Congolese do have large, well defined jaws. Also Bantus ethnics that are intermixed with Nilotes tend to be tall, dark and quite chiseled as well. Southern African Bantus (except for many Zimbabweans) tend to be shorter, have larger hips and arses, lighter skinned, have epicanthic folds because of the Khoisan genes.
muafrika: Bantu have various shades of chocolate colour for the most part. With the exception of communities that have heavily intermarried with nilotes, who are found in Kenya, Uganda and Congo.
True.
muafrika: Finer details in terms of facial features vary depending on a specific tribe. Each tribe was autonomous politically and socially in the early days.
Culture / Re: East African Coast | Culture And People by BlackKenichi(m): 1:32am On May 13, 2015 
, why do you hate them so much, yet you don't show the same to the white man?