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cornelboy:
Okay. I don't do fruitless argument too.
Let's start from 1 Timothy 3:16

Tell me why did KJV and NKJV used "God manifested.." whereas the rest of the translations used "Christ manifested.." or "he manifested.."??

God didn't manifest in the flesh. God sent his son and the son who was named Jesus when he came in the flesh through Mary and he became the Christ.

The verses obviously talked about Jesus Christ manifesting in the flesh not God himself.

Join Isaiah 9:6 together with 1Timothy 2:16. You'll know who manifested in the flesh. No need to argue.

cornelboy:
Lol you seem not grasp what janosky is saying.

At John 20:17, who was Jesus saying he is ascending to? His Father and God right?

Definitely Thomas at verse 28 wasn't referring to Jesus as the God Jesus said he was going to at verse 17.

Calm down and learn.

Janosky is saying Jesus debunked Thomas claims. Do you agree that Jesus debunked a claim ever before it was made? You mean Jesus debunked a claim in verse 17 before the claim was made in verse 28? You're the one who should calm down and learn.

Janosky:
I am NOT cornelboy. He is my friend on this forum.

Alright friend.

Janosky:
BossD,You have already formed your own opinion against John 20:17.
If Jesus Christ come to earth today and tell you he is NOT the God of Thomas (the point Jesus Christ made @ John 20:17), you still won't believe Jesus Christ.
The question is:
Was Thomas actually calling Jesus his own God?
BossD says yes.

@ John 20:17, Jesus Christ said no.

John 20:24-27, did Thomas doubt Jesus resurrection?
Emphatic yes !
Jesus told Thomas: stop doubting , believe (I have risen).

@John 20:28,is Thomas exclamation of surprise that indeed Jesus has risen?
Yes.

Thomas' declaration is an exclamation of surprise realizing that Jesus was God. This is supported by several other scriptures. You even said Jesus debunked Thomas' claims. What would Jesus debunk if Thomas is not calling Jesus God. However, I've also shown you that Jesus didn't debunk anything Thomas said.

Janosky:
No second lie at all
@ John 20:17, did Jesus Christ debunk the claim that TRINITARIANS always make about John 20:28?
Yes !

Jesus Christ said to the woman:
"but go to my brethren and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father."

BossD, does your God have brethrens?
Does your God have a Father?

@ John 20:17, BossD, do you agree that Jesus, the woman & Thomas Worship the same God that Jesus ascended to meet?



BossD, please kindly repost it.
Likely I might have responded to to your questions.

Jesus didn't debunk anything Thomas said. It was a separate address given to the woman to deliver a message to some other disciples.

Please understand that that the Lord Jesus is both human and divine. He has brethren: Both the one who makes people holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers and sisters." You should understand that an angel is not brethren to any human.

Janosky:
@ Isaiah 9:6, did your Bible say Jesus is Almighty God?
Not at all.
@ Isaiah 9:6, did your Bible says " he will be called ?"
Was Jesus called "Everlasting Father" in the time of prophet Isaiah?
No!
Isaiah's expression 'he will be called' is a futuristic terms which came to fulfilment after Jesus ransom sacrifice for our sins when he became the last Adam,1 Corinthians 15:22, 45 NLT,by giving life to all sinful children of Adam whom Adam gave death., Romans 5:12.
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Your TRINITARIAN mentors ADDED Theos (God) to 1 Timothy 3:16 KJV, to that verse 16.

The correct greek lexicon rendition is : "HE/WHO/Which was manifest in the flesh."

Oga , please go verify & LEARN.

Is there anyone who could be called Everlasting Father or Almighty God except God Himself? Tell me who could be so called and why such an individual apart from God could be called Almighty God, Everlasting Father.

If you don't know who was manifest in the flesh, check all scriptures preceding 1 Timothy 2:16. The One who was manifest in the flesh is the same One born of a woman in Isaiah 9:6. These scriptures corroborate themselves.

Janosky:
I will respond to ASAP.
Let's begin with the bolded, your reference to John 20:28.

@ John 20:17, Jesus replied: I am ascending to your God and my God."

Did Jesus say himself is the God of the disciples , which you claim @ John 20:28?

Definitely not!

2nd point:
Also, did John 20:28 ends with exclamation mark (!)?
Yes.
Biblehub screenshot.

@ John 20:28, Thomas exclamation of surprise, amazement (because in verses 20-27, Thomas did not believe Jesus had risen).
When Thomas said "my God & my Lord!" ,is the same as when Bossdave says "oh my God! Oh My Lord!!!"
Is Bossdave refering to God in heaven?
Definitely not!
Thomas did not do it too.[/b]
3rd point:
Is Thomas an imperfect man?
Yes.
Why would you exalt & TWIST Thomas statement when Jesus Christ the perfect man has already debunk Thomas statement in John 20:17 & John 9:4?
Why would Jesus be your God when Jesus and Thomas are Worshipping the Supreme God in John 9:4 & Revelation 3:12?

Are you the one to help your friend cornelboy or you're the same person?

Jesus never debunked Thomas. You're even contradicting yourself. If Thomas was only exclaiming like someone saying 'Oh, my God!' then, what's there for Jesus to debunk? The fact that you said Jesus debunked Thomas indicates that you truly know that Thomas was actually calling Jesus God. Stop lying. Your first lie is laid to rest.

Let's bury your second lie. Did Jesus debunk Thomas?


"Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

Jesus was not referring to Thomas but was giving instruction to a woman to deliver a message to His disciples who were not at that place present.

Second lie laid to rest. Would you respond to the other scriptures I posted to your friend?

cornelboy:
O boy go and do your research and then answer this questions:

Did Jesus, the apostle and the early church believed or taught the trinity doctrine?
No!
Why they didn't why should we believe it today?
We shouldn't because Jesus and the apostles who were evidently baptized with the holy spirit didn't say anything about any trinity.
What is their understanding about the person of God?

Jesus and the apostles taught that the one true God is the Father.
John 17:3, 1 Cor 8:5,6, John 20:17, Acts 2:36.

Jesus never said he's the same person with the Father rather he's working with the Father in perfect unity.
The Bible clearly show distinctions between Jesus and his Father.
You can read 1 Corinthians 15:24-28

Jesus came to do the Father's will. Go and compare that verse with other other translations. God who's the Father didn't come in the flesh. Rather he sent Jesus who's God's unique (begotten) son and Jesus left his glory and miraculously because human.

After Jesus finished his mission on earth, he was exalted to the right hand of God. He was promoted.

How could Jesus be coequal or co powerful with God?
Jesus got everything from his Father and he will never claim equality with God.
1 Corinthians 11:3

Please talk about the verses I posted to you. I'm not here for fruitless arguments. I can give you a run for your money taking you from scripture to scripture and even burying you alive with the same scriptures you're quoting but that would not be an orderly discourse. I've posted you just 2 verses of scripture, answer the questions related to them. Infact, I want you to also tell me why Thomas referred to Jesus as 'My Lord and my God' after His resurrection without Jesus rebuking Him.

cornelboy:
I understand that when a man leaves his parents and join to his wife, they become one. But does that mean that they've turned to the same person?

There's nothing like Trinity in the Bible. Jesus, his apostles and early church never believed nor taught the dogma.
They believed that the Father (Yahweh) is the one true God and Jesus is his son whom he sent.
John 17:3, 1 Cor 8:5,6, John 20:17. Acts 2:36.

Jesus and Father are one just like the way an husband and wife are one. They are in perfect unity. John 10:30, 17:21,22

There's the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. The three are the one and self same Person.

Can you tell me why Isaiah 9:6 described the Messaiah as the Everlasting Father, the Almighty God?

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 7 Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end."

Or tell me why 1Timothy 2:16 refers to the same Son spoken of by Isaiah as God manifest in the flesh?

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

MaxInDHouse:
The truth is that TRINITY is what over 41,000 different sects are trying to define till today!

If you ask Deeperlife, RCCG, Winners Chapel, MFM, Chosen, Foursquare, Apostolic, Presbyterian, Catholics, C.A.C and many others to define TRINITY you will find out that all of them have contradicting opinions about this god they worship.

So Bossdave is lyingly deceiving himself!

Please refer me to any trinitarian article, book, blog, website, song or treatise where trinitarians have refered to the the Trinity as 'They'. This question is for MaxinDHouse. Failure to do so means you and your satanic GBs are the liars. This is an open challenge.

Janosky:
John 20:17 & John 9:4, Jesus Christ has settled the matter.
Oga, please yourself.

Since your cult says the person speaking in those verses is angel Michael, how can you ever understand what those verses are saying? It's just a matter of time. I just pray it wouldn't be too late for you by the time you realize that you've been deceived.

Those verses you quoted above affirm my position of the One God whom I serve. I have no issue with them.

Janosky:
Your deities are Father,Son and a ghost.

You wan deny Nicene creed?
Oga Stop DECEIVING YOURSELF.

You're the one deceiving yourself. I live by the Bible. Not by a Creed.

Janosky:
Carry your GIBBERISH to the dustbin.
You are practicing POLYTHEISM.
Awon Worshipper of 3 triune deities.

Attached is what Russel was quoted as saying. You're not the one who'll tell me what I worship. I know I worship one God. Your opinion or thoughts about the doesn't matter.

Emusan:
The lies and erroneous teachings they have taught against Trinity, one can wonder why there is so much fuse about Trinity by JWs.

They are not the one to reject Trinity.

They are not the one who raise first issue against Trinity.

Yet whenever you see them talking about Trinity they are so furious with anger.

To the extent that Watchtower had to publish a book titled "Should you believe in Trinity?"

That book was full of lies and misrepresentation of the early Christians on Trinity. So after public outcry against it, they have to remove the book from their library.

Another thing about the book is that Watchtower was using Atheist works to argue against Bible?

Very pathetic.

Pathetic indeed.

Someone created a thread earlier that established that their founder actually believed in the Trinity before founding their organization. MaxinDHouse argued that he had such belief before he knew the truth. That sounds logical but the lie is quickly detected by the fact that the Trinity the JW founder believed in before he founded JW was a 'He' and not a 'They' as seen in all his writings about Trinity. There wasn't a time he referred to the Trinity as 'They'. But, the moment he founded his occult organization, he began to misrepresent the Trinity and sell the idea to his gullible members as polytheism. Meanwhile, he knew that Trinitarians are monotheists. At least we know that from his writings.

I just pray that these people whom he has deceived would find mercy of God to deliver their souls from perdition.

Janosky:
You are correct.
The doctrine was NOT established in the holy scriptures.
Your mentors ADDED their invention into 1 John 5:7.


Why would JEHOVAH'S Servants dance to songs praising 3 deities worship?

Did the singer inform you he's an Illuminati?

Or did his record label make that claim?

Janosky:
You are correct.
The doctrine was NOT established in the holy scriptures.
Your mentors ADDED their invention into 1 John 5:7.


Why would JEHOVAH'S Servants dance to songs praising 3 deities worship?

Did the singer inform you he's an Illuminati?

Or did his record label make that claim?

No wonder!!

In 2001, I was in a gathering where I was supposed to minister. A woman who was a convert from JW mounted the podium before me to address
the congregation. The first words that came out of her mouth was 'You know we worship three Gods...' After she dropped the mic, it was my turn to minister, and the first thing I did was to correct that errorneous declaration. I now understand why she spoke that way. That was the lie they told them when they were in those kingdom halls.

The Trinity is a 'He' and not a 'They'. To this, all Christians worldwide agree. There's no disputation about that. We serve only one God. Not 3. Please stop the blasphemy and the falsehood.

ocnovakmichael:
Introduction

On March 29th, 2023 I sat down on my reading chair with my Bible in hand about to read, when suddenly my eyes got fixated on Psalm one hundred and thirty-three verses one through three. It’s like the letters of my Bible became bright, bold and lucid; and I began to hear a voice coming out of my spirit. It was so clear that I had to adjust my chair in order to hear, not just listen, and understand what the Spirit is saying. From that moment, the Lord began to teach and to explain to me the power in corporate anointing. The Lord said to me, “There is a collective anointing resident in his body, the church, when believers come together. He said the anointing has always been in and with the church. But the anointing will not manifest until the church is in unity and in faith.” The Lord said to me, “This was why I prayed the Father that the church may be one.” “And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are” (John 17:11).

The Lord gave me two instances, which I will discuss later, in the book of Acts where the corporate anointing was in manifestation as a result of the church being in unity and in faith. The first was in Acts chapter two verses one through four. And the second was in Acts chapter four verse twenty-three through thirty-one. In both instances, the church was in unity and in faith, and the anointing was tangibly felt, seen, and evident among them.

In this book, we will discuss how we can benefit from the corporate anointing which reside with and among the body of Christ, the church. We will discuss how the church could increase this anointing by teaching the meat of the word and ministering to the Lord. We will also discuss how the church, collectively, could experience a deeper anointing by having every member receive and be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

In section two, we will discuss the reward of every ministry given to the body of Christ by the Lord Jesus; and how we can benefit from each one of them.

Bear in mind that the corporate anointing resident in the church has been with the church since time immemorial. It was with the church in wilderness, the children of Israel, in the Old Testament, and it is still with us the New Testament church. The anointing is responsible for the edification, multiplication, relevance, strength, and authority of the body of Christ on earth today, without which the church will be just another regular human institution. “Then had the church rest throughout all Judea, Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied” (Acts 9:31).

This book is written to enlighten the eyes of our understanding on the eminence of the corporate anointing resident in the church. Our adversary tried to no avail to stop the publication of this book, but the hand of the Lord had destined its fate. One night after I had written a section of this book, the Lord impressed me in my spirit to immediately transfer a copy from my laptop onto my phone. And after I had that done, the next morning my computer hard-drive suddenly crashed. But praise be to God that I had inside information before the adversary crashed my hard-drive. Scripture says: “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth… he will shew you things to come” (John 16:13).
I strongly believe the church will experience the depth and height of God’s power when she understands the corporate anointing resident within her. It will be said of the church, “These who have turned the world upside down are come hither also.”


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BigBashiru:
Don't spoil your nice write up with personal attacks.

The Bible lied does not mean its God lied....they are two different things......many things the apostles did or wrote are ancient practices and are outdated so they hv become lies by virtue of being outdated...it doesn't mean God lied. It simply means outdated portions of the Bible inadvertently turned to lies....

An attack on my God is an attack on me. God is my Father, and I'm not a bastard child to look on when his Father is being attacked. I apologise if I offended you.

There are no outdated portions in the Bible. The Bible carries a message from God, and that message is eternally relevant. I'm sure you would never say the Quran lied when you were a Muslim. Your fellow Muslims would have you roasted alive. Why do people take God for granted? Is it because of His boundless mercy and Grace?

Would you please show me the outdated portions of the Bible you were referring to? I've read the Bible back and forth many times. I've not seen any outdated portion. To say the Bible lied or outdated are both blasphemous.

Whenever Muslims convert to Christianity, they always do so because of a powerful encounter they have with Christ and therefore become firebrand Christians. I don't understand your own kind of conversion that comes online to blaspheme.

BigBashiru:
This thread is not a christian bashing thread. "Come now let us reason together saith the LORD" - Isaiah says. It is okay to ask questions and its okay to feel deceived. I was born muslim and grew up as a muslim before converting to christianity. So here are the lies I was told by the Bible. Silly christians who dont know the answer to questions or dont want to lose confidence in their religion resort to bullshit such as "His ways are not our ways"

1. Bible lie: A woman is a helpmeet.
The truth: women are self serving creatures just like their male counterpart. Many women are looking for rich men to depend on in which case the rich man is the helpmeet of the woman not the other way round. Many women refuse to bring money at home and are looking for financial security from men....

2. Bible lie: marriage is Gods institution.
The truth: marriage is a societal contract from ancient times. Today the vast majority of women see marriage as a cage which is why the vast majority postpone it for as long as possibe until when they no longer have much to lose. Its not Gods institution. The truth is today both men and women prefer relationships to marriage and marriage is primarily done for kids....

3. Bible lie: human sexuality is a sin
The truth: human beings just like all mammals love sex and have sex with who they find attractive. Christian men who wait till marriage will not have the best sex cos kids soon come in, the "wife" has already had her fun with some body count before getting married etc. So christianity is a religion of sexual frustration - thats the truth! Everything sexual and pleasurable is a sin in christianity and christians are encouraged to "mortify the desires of the flesh", "subject their members to Holy Spirit etc" - so most christians arent even comfortable with sex.... Please note that there is no woman in heaven or hell and there is no sexual pleasure in heaven or hell.....so if you a man, you only hv this earth to indulge in woman matters...

1. A woman was declared an help meet before the fall. After the fall, both men and women got the satanic nature. Everyone became selfish. As a result, they could no longer fulfil Devine purpose.

Ecclesiastes 7:29
Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions."

2. The person who created man and woman is the person who initiated the concept of being joined together and cohabitating. Which tradition or culture preceeds human creation? Marriage and creation are intertwined. That's why it is said the marriage is God's institution, or how would marriage be possible if there are no males and females?

3. The Bible never said that human sexuality is sin. Quote the verse that says so. What the Bible condemns is sexual immorality. Sex within the bonds of marriage is what the Bible upholds. And who told you that you can't have sex anymore with your wife because kids are now in your marriage? It seems you prefer to be morally bankrupt.

In conclusion, you're probably not a Christian. No Christian would say the Bible lied. If you're truly asking questions, then you would present yourself as a learner. You're actually as mischievous as the illogical criticisms you raised.